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French gay couples to get marriage and adoption rights in 2013

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  1. Lucky French.

  2. Vive la Républic! I must say I’ve been impressed with a lot of things that Hollande and Ayrault have been doing – they seem to be doing many positive things for France; not just the PR stuff that Supposy did.

  3. Funny then how UK is apparently still struggling with a decision on when and how to introduce same sex marriage.

    1. When it comes to Scotland it’s not just about the government deciding how & when it should be introduced like in England & Wales, but IF it should be introduced at all. It seems this new French government knows how to deal with equality unlike the UK and Scottish governments.

  4. It’s the same in the UK- Civil Partnerships do NOT give gay couples the right to adopt- even when the child concerned is the BIOLOGICAL child of one of the partners!

    1. Civil partnerships give the same parental rights as marriage.

      Gay couples and people can adopt on the same term as straight people in the UK – excluding NI – wether in a civil partnership or not.

      I know, have some adopted children.

      I don’t know what you are talking about.

  5. jonnielondon 3 Jul 2012, 10:13pm

    France, what took you so long?! Now your turn, UK!

  6. Jesus Moran 3 Jul 2012, 11:53pm

    Take that America!!!!

  7. The Prime Minister is already set on making it law – the problem is that it will need to be voted for in the the House of Commons (which is why the C4EM & C4M campaign asked people to contact their MP) we need to have the majority there – then we need to pass it through the second house of parliament and because it is made up mostly of religious old people they are likely to vote against it – legislation rules dictate that if the house of lords reject it the house of commons must wait a year to present it again where the house of lords may still reject it and send it back to make more adjustments and then pass it without the ascent of the house of lords – there is also the ping pong stage where the bill can pass back and forth between the house of commons and the house of lords to negotiate on the bill.

    Its an overly beaurocratic and slow system but it does work.This is why we were given the 3 year timeframe because it is expected that the house of lords will reject it both times

  8. jamestoronto 4 Jul 2012, 6:36am

    The “Equalité” in the French motto will at past have meaning to millions of people in France. France once lead the world in civil rights, then fell behind badly, but now with the new President and parliament it will hopefully catch up. I am not expecting miracles but there WILL be change for the BETTER no doubt. Anything less than full equal marriage/adoptionn will be a full betrayal of their election promise.

    1. jamestoronto 4 Jul 2012, 6:37am

      “will at last”

  9. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Jul 2012, 8:35am

    Of all my heart I want the UK and my own country, Norway (we cannot marry in churches yet !), to have FULL equal rights for LGBT-persons, including religious ceremonies in churches ! Hurry up, UK-

  10. Great to see how quickly the new French Government is moving rapidly ahead on equality issues. If only the UK could move so quickly!

  11. Good to see the momentum picking up in Europe – time the the two oldest civilizations of Italy and Greece got their acts together.

    1. That There Other David 4 Jul 2012, 10:34am

      Italy will be the last of the “old” EU nations to implement IMO. Too wrapped in the insidious tentacles of Vatican Inc., and far too much power concentrated in the hands of old men. The next big nation after France will likely be the UK, then Germany would be my next guess. By which point nearly 300 million Europeans will live in countries with marriage equality, a majority of the EU population. That’s the tipping point, when Greece, Austria, Slovenia et al. will suddenly be moving towards equality.

      But Italy is likely to be last. Even Malta will allow same-sex marriages before Italy does.

  12. Jock S. Trap 4 Jul 2012, 9:52am

    Well done France.

    How with both France and Scotland, how can we delay this equality for England and Wales?

    It’ll look very bad if parliament start to take too long over this issue and end up denying it against the majority of the populations wishes.

    1. The Scottish Government haven’t actually decided yet if they’re even going ahead with marriage equality. It’s by no means a done deal in Scotland.

      At least the coalition government at Westminster have said all along that they intend to legislate which is further than the Scottish government have gone – even now the Scot Gov haven’t made up their mind.

      1. And there’s a story in today’s Scotsman suggesting that the Scot Gov won’t announce their decision on 10 July after all (which was reported in Pink News about a week ago) and that the SG could kick it into the long grass to avoid it affecting their independence referendum in 2014 and the so called “catholic vote” which the SNP has wooed for years.

        Apparently a majority of catholics voted for the SNP last year when they won their majority in Parliament. If true, Salmond won’t want to lose all those votes.

        1. Tim Hopkins 4 Jul 2012, 1:47pm

          It seems that the Scottish Cabinet meeting that was (according to the press) going to happen on 10 July, and discuss equal marriage, will now happen on 17 July. Who knows how soon after that the Scottish Govt will announce their policy? Don’t hold your breath, because the date keeps moving!

          The Scottish Social Attitudes Survey showed that 57% of Catholics support same-sex marriage and only 27% oppose. The bishops don’t speak for Catholics on this, any more than they do on contraception.

          1. I agree what you say about catholics supporting gay marriage and how the Bishops are out of step with this. It is the leadership of the church, however, who meet with government ministers and put across their views as being representative of catholics, whether that’s true or not. So it’s very likely that what the leadership of the church says will be taken as the view of catholics.

  13. That There Other David 4 Jul 2012, 10:12am

    Wonderful news. With France opening up marriage to all the number of people living in European countries with marriage equality will nearly double in one act. As a side-benefit for those of us in the UK this announcement can only put further pressure on the Holyrood government to do the right thing.

  14. Fantastic news!

    However, for those people who live and work in France in a Brtish CP their British CP will always be equated to a French PACS. They passed a law to confirm this in 2009. They won’t drop PACS becuase it’s open to gays and straights and is different to marriage.

    France already recognises foreing gay marriage when the nationals are non French that means until we get gay marriage in the UK we will be downgraded to a PACS in Franch.

  15. PeterinSydney 4 Jul 2012, 10:50am

    God bless Monsieur Hollande. He is a gift to justice and equality. I hope the Australian Government learns from his good sense.

  16. Fantastic news

    With France equalising marriage, then many other nations including the UK, Germany, USA, New Zealand and Austalia will be motivated to act more urgently than they have until now – and may instill further movement elsewhere too.

  17. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jul 2012, 12:40pm

    France really puts our government to shame. All of this foot-dragging and dithering and kow-towing to religious nutters is unacceptable. I predict, even though it may pass in Parliament, it certainly won’t in the House of Lords, its far too stacked with religious bigots and homophobes. Another reason to get rid of it.

    I’d be interested to hear about religious dissent in France. So far, we’re not hearing any of the vitriolic rhetoric as we are in the UK almost on a daily basis.

    All of a sudden support for equal marriage isn’t making any more noise among celebrities and MPs. I was under the impression Boris Johnson was going to join Out4Marriage with a video. Where are all the others?

  18. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Jul 2012, 12:55pm

    Additionally, this is far more important than winning gold medals in The Olympic games ! ( But of course, dear friends, I want you to be successful in Your Games as well-)

  19. Patrick Gallagher 5 Jul 2012, 9:58am

    Your turn Italy!

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