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Stonewall launches advice leaflets for gay tourists in Britain

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  1. Why does Stonewall still claim to also represent the interests of the trans community. If you don’t want us just say so rather than paying us the occasional bit of lip service.

    1. I haven’t even heard any lipservice from stonewall regarding trans issues!!

    2. Robert Brown 2 Jul 2012, 3:33pm

      Stonewall are VERY clear in NOT representing the Trans community . . . http://www.rainbow-citizen.com

    3. Lady Tanya 3 Jul 2012, 5:00am

      They seem to forget that it was the drag queens and the Trans girls that thro the first punch they all say lgbt but they wish us Ts were not with them

    4. I think Stonewall are very clear in their aims (in this regard).

      They cite themselves as “… the lesbian, gay and bisexual charity”. No room for ambiguity there – no mention of transgender.

      Their website states:
      “Stonewall’s policy and research team undertake projects that highlight and explain the experiences of lesbian, gay and bisexual people”, “We work across all areas which may have an impact on the lives of lesbian, gay and bisexual people and their families”, “Stonewall work with all the different agencies that make up the criminal justice system to ensure that lesbian, gay and bisexual people can have full and equal treatment and access to justice” and “Stonewall works extensively with healthcare providers to ensure that they understand the needs of lesbian, gay and bisexual people” amongst other similar comments. None of them make mention of transgender.

      They also state “Stonewall recognises that many trans people are also lesbian, gay and bisexual and often trans people

      1. encounter homophobia and experience homophobic hate crime. Although Stonewall does not directly lobby or advise on trans issues, we work closely with trans organisations and ensure the people we work with understand the distinct experiences of trans people. ” This suggests to me that they regard trans issues as important, but not their major remit.

        I regard trans issues as important – they often can be advocated well with LGB issues and vice versa. They do not have to be advocated in this way and equally both LGB strands of issues and transgender issues both benefit from organisations which concentrate on their separate issues, as much as those who consider LGBT in its entireity.

        I am no advocate or apologist for Stonewall. They do some things well, and some things badly. However, to suggest they claim to represent transgender people is inaccurate, false and wrong.

  2. Really? This takes the biscuit! They are funded by us in the UK, they do nothing direct for LGBT people facing issues in the UK, they don’t support trans people, they weren’t interested in equal marriage but soon jumped on the bandwagon, and now they’re wasting their/our money on providing leaflets for tourists who will easily access the internet and gay press in this country for any information. Considering the issues for young LGBT people, hate crime, abuse, domestic violence, LGBT asylum seekers etc, etc, etc, Stonewall REALLY has its priorities skewed!

    1. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2012, 3:41pm

      “Considering the issues for young LGBT people, hate crime, abuse, domestic violence, LGBT asylum seekers etc, etc, etc, Stonewall REALLY has its priorities skewed!”

      Er, you just listed Some of the issues Stonewall spend a lot of time dealing with and raising awareness of too. Isn’t it just as important that those coming here are welcomed and shown that British is a good country to be LGBT in?

      I don’t see this as a waste of money, I see this as inviting tourist, Gay, Bi, Lesbian, Straight to come to the UK and help with the economy. What can be bad about that?

      1. The fact that there are individuals out there needing hands on support, professionals needing training, gps needing information etc etc, and apart from their reports, they offer nothing else. They do good work in producing reports – much needed facts and figures, but gay tourists I hardly think is a priority.

    2. Firstly, this is about tackling an issue in the UK – visitors to the UK who are LGBT, ensuring they understand their rights and entitlements. Given this is a year where large number of visitors are anticipate (Olympics etc), then its not unreasonable to carry out such a task – similar LGBT bodies elsewhere such as Spain, Germany, New Zealand etc also do similar work.

      However, this is not the single piece of work that Stonewall do or have done.

      Consider:
      The Gay British Crime Survey (instrumental in forming and shaping government, police and CPS policy on hate crime and other issues); lobbying on removal of discriminatory provisions in the law such as gross indecency; lobbying on the introduction of a statutory aggravation on the grounds of sexual orientation; lobbying to end the ban on LGBT people in the armed forces; partnership working with the military, criminal justice system, health agencies and others to ensure LGBT issues are considered seriously and acted upon; funding of

      1. some employment tribunals where homophobia or other LGB issues are concerned; establishing and setting benchmarks for employers e.g. Sexual Orientation Employer Handbook; lobbying in connection to LGB rights in adoption and artificial insemination; a significant investment in their Education for All programme to tackle homophobic bullying in schools; Production of guides for clinical organisations about meeting needs of LGB patients and staff; Setting up Media Monitor to encourage LGB people to tell the media what they think; lobbying the FA to encourage them to tackle homophobia in football; researching issues relevant to LGB people and seeking to be a voice to them within a wide sphere of influence …

        None of that mentions Diversity Champions, Events, Engagement with Community Groups, Awareness raising, etc etc

  3. I love and respect Stonewall but there really is something irritating about this – I think they should be helping indivduals in hard times, people kicked out of home, etc etc – rather than creating leaflets for people who really dont need them. im no tbeing xenophobic – nothing to do with this being about foreigners, I welcome them – but there’s no need to spoon feed them. Visitors will know how gay friendly Britain is. They’ll buy Time Out to see what gay venues there are and easily find their way to Soho. Or will the leaflets be telling them about tourist attractions? Odd. It does seem like a strange waste of money when there are lots of small charities falling to bits through lack of funding, charities needed to do vital work that saves lifes – not offers a welcome leaflet to people telling them things they already know.

    1. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2012, 3:46pm

      “Visitors will know how gay friendly Britain is.”

      Maybe but if you come from a country that isn’t so good or completely the opposite, many will still be wary of what they can do because of how they are treated at home.

      Whereas some may come and let their hair down others will probably see a bit of a culture shock and it could be confusing so what Stonewall is doing is helping those people. It’s worthy and I think it helps Britain.

      1. Um English, Spanish, French, German, Italian and Polish.. if you were talking about those in asia and the middle east I might agree, but I don’ t the spanish, french or germans particularly will have much culture shock.

        1. Robert does have a point.

          Of course when in any foreign country it is both helpful to have explanatory leaflets available in one’s own language and also a courtesy; but visitors who have the funds AND leisure time to travel for pleasure are more likely to be clued up on their chosen country of destination.

          What about those visitors to the UK who come here of (chiefly) economic necessity? Perhaps from the former Communist Block of EASTERN Europe and Russia where things are increasingly grim for the LGBT Community? [Let alone those areas that Robert mentions.]
          Leaflets in WESTERN European languages would be of limited utility for them.

          1. Further, this quote from Stonewall’s page….
            “To obtain printed copies (in English, French or Spanish only) or electronic versions in German, Polish or Italian please contact info@stonewall.org.uk or 08000 50 20 20”
            ….would have perhaps been more readily accessible as a starting-point, for such visitors of limited English, had it been given also in those very languages mentioned as a starting-point for such visitors.
            Moreover how and where are these leaflets to be made available and distributed? Only via i/net or e-mail application?
            If so, they are destined for a self-selecting demographic, rather than general availability.

            Nonetheless, a nice, well-meaning gesture.

          2. Ian

            I think if you read Stonewalls press release that the email address to obtain copies is intended to be directed to those organisations, businesses and outlets who themselves would like to have some of those leaflets eg gay venues, community groups etc.

        2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 11:37am

          Ok yes I do see your point.

  4. Robert Brown 2 Jul 2012, 3:32pm

    ‎. . . I wonder how much this would have cost to collate, translate, print and distribute? . . . surely the money spent on this useless piece of documentation could have gone towards ensuring that we had floats, open top buses and vehicles for our elderly, disabled and mobility disadvantaged members of the LGBT community to participate in World Pride . . . http://www.rainbow-citizen.com

    1. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2012, 3:49pm

      Depends do you want to encourage people to come to Britian, enjoy and spend their money helping our economy? Or do you not?

      How people how we work and you invite more people. Also they take away the experience, learn from it and hopefully help progression in their own countries.

      1. Agreed, all good stuff. But not the priority for LGBT people in the UK. To me, it’s that simple.

        1. I know that when I have been overseas I have read leaflets by LGB or LGBT groups in the countries I have visited and learned of either rights or restrictions that I would not have been aware of otherwise (including in countries which may be suprising such as New Zealand and Austria). I see no reason why a UK organisation such as Stonewall should not do likewise to support visitors to the UK – particularly in the Olympics year (if ever this was a year it should happen, it is now).

          1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 11:40am

            Totally agree Stu. Helping other cannot be a bad thing. It promotes us which has to be a good thing all round.

        2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 11:39am

          But is is important because those who come won’t only help the economy at large but the LGBT economy too, whether pubs, clubs, shops to hotel and guest houses etc.

  5. Jock S. Trap 2 Jul 2012, 3:37pm

    Good for Stonewall… It all helps for a better, decent Britian and an inviting on too, I hope!!

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 2 Jul 2012, 5:04pm

    I had to laugh seeing French as one of those languages included. A bit rich considering it’s going to have marriage equality within a year, far ahead of the UK without any lengthy consulation or foot-dragging debate. It will be interesting to see how the Roman cult in France reacts. So far, we’re hearing nothing from them as we are in the UK, among others. It’s amazing how countries in which catholicism is the dominant cult seem to enact equal marriage a lot faster than non-catholic ones and yet that cult is far more vicious than most others.

    1. Although French is a very global language, let’s not forget.

    2. You know that French is spoken through most of west and central Africa, right? And large sections of the east Asian ex-colonies.

      And that Spanish/Portuguese is the medium of communication for everyone south of the Rio Grande?

      And that German is commonly used as a lingua franca in eastern Europe and some former soviet states?

      Stop assuming that Africans, Asians, South Americans and others will just “know” about the laws protecting glbt folk in the UK. if they get attacked or ejected from their B&B, it’s helpful for them to know that they CAN report it to the police without fear of reprisal and that they WILL be protected.

    3. As much as we can malign Stonewall for their initial opposition and subsequent lack of motivation in support of marriage, we can not hold them responsible for the time the government are taking in implementing equal marriage.

      French is an important world language with many European, African and South Americans speaking it as a first or commonly used second language. Its entirely appropriate that French is one of the languages used.

      I would have liked to have seen Mandarin, Arabic and other languages used in addition to western conventional languages though.

    4. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 11:41am

      French isn’t just spoken in France Robert!:)

    5. countries in which catholicism is the dominant cult seem to enact equal marriage a lot faster than non-catholic ones

      Ummm, let’s see – Italy, Poland, Lithuania, Austria, Croatia, Slovenia … not quite getting your point, Robert.

  7. Bet these leaflets will only be in LONDON….

    1. Well, if you represent a group, organisation or business that might benefit from them – or know of one where they might – then there are contact details above to help you obtain some.

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jul 2012, 11:43am

      I don’t know about that. I would expect them to be in most areas. London isn’t the only place with a LGBT population.

    3. I would expect them to be anywhere where there will be a major airport for foreign visitors during the Olympics – i.e Stansted, Gatwick, Heathrow – the tourists coming for that aint gonna be staying in Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh etc…

  8. people coming into the Uk seem to have a better mind as to what they are allowed to do and what their rights are.

    There is so much to do here in the Uk I think the monies could have been spent for the benefit of us in teh UK

    I have a friend who as been with his partner for 30 years you would not believe the way he has been treated by staff in The NHS. Not offering information being he is not a relative – there is so little done for older LGBT people here in the UK.

  9. GingerlyColors 3 Jul 2012, 11:36am

    LGBT people like anybody else visiting this country deserve to be treated with respect and looked after while in the UK. Advice should be given on where the best places are for gay people and also where there will be a need to be a bit more discreet. Anyone visiting this country who has a bad time will take their money elsewhere in future. One thing that a guranteed to put people off ever coming here again is our weather!

  10. I work in a Tourist office. We had some of these delivered at work yesterday, totally unrequested mind, 8 packages, my Area Manager visited, she didn’t know what they were or why she had been given them, so she put them in the skip, and off they went this morning to the dump.

  11. I work in a Tourist office. We had some of these delivered at work yesterday, totally unrequested mind, 8 packages, my Area Manager visited, she didn’t know what they were or why she had been given them, so she put them in the skip, and off they went this morning to the rubbish dump.

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