Once a criminal, always a criminal…
welcome to sunny queensland: beautiful one day, homophobic the next!
It seems most of those expat little englanders are having an impact down under …
Where are you from Beberts?
Are “little Englanders” really likely to become “expats”? Surely “little Englanders” want to stay here and keep foreigners out?
I hope there are violent riots in reaction this this.
I hope there are robust protests.
I hope they are carefully orchestrated to cause maximum disruption.
I hope there is no violence.
LOL You clearly don’t know Queensland if you think there will be riots. Queensland is worse than Alabama and Mississippi all rolled into one – Redneck central
It is a backward dump for sure.
Are there any international companies based there. They need to be pressured to leave Queenslanfd to its own devices – inbreeding and sheep-shagging are the local hobbies I heard
Unbelievably, Campbell Newman personally openly supports federal marriage equality.
Another fine example of the spineless Aussie politician, here. Bowing to the whims of the horrendous Australian Christian Lobby.
What a cruel, crushing disappointment.
Dispicable and nasty u-turn on human rights. The true actions of the right wing! Queensland (there’s an irony in itself) has left a nasty scar across australia. Shamefull !
Well, and this applies in any jurisdiction, if an individual does not have the same rights as everyone else, like the right to marry, then that same individual surely doesn’t have the same obligations, like having to pay taxes. I think a campaign of civil disobedience is called for.
Queensland is part of Australia, which in turn is supposed to be a modern democracy that supports the rights of minorities. This cannot be allowed to happen unchallenged.
I wonder how long it will take for the LGBT people to react to this, I home they do refuse to pay taxes and I hope that the LGBT take them to court, because this seems in direct conflict to human rights
Once you resort to terrorism and violence, then the integrity of your argument is demeaned.
Please do not demean the intgrity of seeking LGBT equality by resorting to terrorism.
My point stands. If people make themselves your enemy, there are no longer any rules to follow. When the legislators disenfranchise you, then there is no LGBT equality. Equality is not given, it has to be asserted. Queensland is doing violence to LGBT people; that demands a robust line to be drawn in the sand. Human beings should never deny themselves any means of response when their integrity, as you quite rightly point out, is at stake.
Terrorism is never justified. Encouraging it is a criminal offence in itself.
I abhor terrorism as much (if not more in some ways) than I do politicians who seek to deny civil and human rights.
Terrorism is such an evil thing, so it can never be justified. If we want to be a civilized nation, then we have to make sure we are living civilized lives. It might be tempting to want to terrorize certain groups of people, but that would not be the moral thing to do.
Terrorism is not justoified.
Which is why I prefer simple destruction of Liberal Party property.
They have declared war on our community. They now must pay for this.
Normal rules of engagement do not apply when the aparrheid regime in Queensland is made even stricter.
Terrorism can’t be justified under any circumstances, because terrorism is taking justice into your own hands in the most extremist and inhumane manner.
Terrorism can’t be justified ever, because its the absolute wrong way to handle things and, for the most part, is pure evil. Taking justice into your own hands is never justified, but, especially when involving a terrorist threat, it can’t be a good thing. Terrorists are always bad people acting on misguided information.
Condoning the use of bombs is tantamount to terrorism. I also get very concerned when they use statements such as “normal rules of engagement do not apply” – as this might be construed as suggesting a justification in violence and/or terrorism.
My partner left Queensland many years ago – You can guess why!
Disgraceful and disturbing.
Against the will of the majority in Australia.
Legislators have a responsibility to reflect the will of their electorate – and it is categorically in favour of equal marriage.
Out trumping this is the responsibility of government to protect civil rights and human rights (which happens in this instance to coincide with the will of the Australian people).
As Hilary Clinton said in Geneva last year “It does not matter what country we live in, who our leaders are or even who we are. Because we are human, we therefore have rights. And because we have rights, governments are bound to protect them.”. Those rights extend to LGBT people because all people are born equal – unfortunately not all governments respect this – including the callous, inhumane Queensland legislature.
So, the Queensland legislature have failed in their duties both to the electorate and their bigger responsibility to protect rights.
Furthermore, the National Party have lied. During
their election campaign they said there would be no changes to the surrogacy law. Now, they are saying that they did not say that and if people did not realise – they should have asked. They did ask, and were told there would be no change. They are lying.
I would urge a combined protest of peaceful means that includes civil disobedience in Queensland by LGBT people but that stops short of violence.
This is the work of the evil Australian Christian Lobby and they need to feel the strength of opinion that equality will happen.
Governments can dilute how laws reflect rights – but the rights remain, they are innate, they are just being denied. Whilst rights are denied, equality does not exist, Whislt equality does not exist right minded and humane people will campaign and protest for them. Equality has been gained in the past through difficult struggles (slavery in USA, ethnic rights in South Africa and USA, womens vote etc etc) – if a powerful struggle is needed here – then short of violence I would engage strongly with it.
The Austrlian embassies worldwide should hear the voice of LGBT people in support of gay people in Australia.
I have a pet theory, probably daft, but here goes. I think proximity to the equator increases bigotry, despite the occasional exception. Taking this together with all the homophobic filth pouring out of African, the southern United States and this example from Queensland (northernmost province of Australia) and other places, then looking at the governments that treat us the best – Scandinavia, New England and Canada, northern Europe, makes me wonder! Happily there are exceptions but for now it’s a tongue in cheek working theory!
I see where you are coming from but Argentina, Spain and Portugal are as near (if not nearer) the equator than many parts of Queensland – and their LGBT rights are superb.
Queensland could learn a lot from them
Yeah, I guess. I live in Madrid and am married to my man. my hypothesis wasn’t very serious but I still think there’s a pattern. After all, in Africa, in the only half-way civilized place insofar as gay rights are concerned is the one country on the continent furthest from the equator!
I didnt think you were that serious, lol!
I think the issue is less the equator and more the continent and stigma. But, hey – you might be right
Unfortunately Russia provides an enormous counterbalance to that otherwise workable theory! And Alaska, come to think of it.
Maybe living closer to the equator and moving further in one day as the planet spins causes the brain to spin too much?
There y’are, some “science” to back up a bonkers theory ;-)
Now where have we seen that tactic before? Hmmmm…??
The trials and tribulations being suffered by Australias GLB community are nothing compared to the injustices being meted out to Australias indigenous people….http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/aboriginals-still-fighting-for-justice-7856600.html
That’s like some people’s arguments against marriage equality “Well some LGBT get killed in other countries…”. Just because other people are worse off doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keeping to improve our lot as well. Two goals aren’t mutally exclusive.
Well said. “It could be worse” is no argument for doing nothing, since it could be a whole lot better.
That’s true but it is completely irrekevant.
It’s the same zs saying ‘Oh we can’t have marrisage equality because the economy is in tatters’.
Sorry dAVID, not remotely the same. I think we should be fighting for people to have basic human rights before we start looking for more for ourselves. The Aboriginals in Australia are living in abject poverty in their own country….
The uncaring selfishness of Gay people here in Europe and further afield is very disheartening and leads one to wonder if Gay people really deserve the rights now being afforded them throughout the civlised world when we witness their crass indifference to the plight of others. This crassness is particularly prevalent in western cities where most Gay people enjoy pampered and hedonistic lifestyles and won’t brook any consideration that there are people worse off in the world as long as they themselves are OK. Well I say shame as I have said before in relation to other threads where Gay people have displayed their comfort and wealth while there is suffering and want all around them. In other words phuck you Jack I’m all right. Frankly it is no wonder we get the bad press we do, especially amongst the conservative and or religious right, who see us as wanton A moral airheads with nothing on our minds but sex and personal pleasure……
And you can make this sweeping generalisation about gay people but not about non-gay people? In my experience a liking for cock doesn’t make people any more or less disposed to be compassionate and charitable than those don’t like cock: it’s completely irrelevant.
Gosh, Paddy. Has someone hacked your account? You often talk such good sense. None in this rant, I’m afraid. Homophobes do not hate us for the reasons you suggest. They don’t like the idea of what they think we do in bed. I don’t know if Gay people are generally less compassionate than straights. I’d be surprised if that were true.
Here is the video of Campbell Newman stating there would be no change in the surrogacy laws (that they now lie about happening)
Perhaps they are aspiring to the staus of Iran or Mugabe’s Zimbabwe? The maturity seems to be of the same level.
Great comment reported in the Brisbane Times about the comments by the opposition:
“Opposition Leader Annastacia Palaszczuk said she would oppose the changes, arguing the LNP bill was “mean and petty” and questioning why MPs had such a “heart of stone that they cannot find it within themselves to allow same-sex couples to officially celebrate”.
Ms Palaszczuk said same-sex couples lived in all electorates, not just Labor ones, and LNP MPs should hang their heads in shame.
“People have a right to express their rights; they have a right to express their love,” she told Parliament last night.
Ms Palaszczuk said the Attorney-General held “one of the most esteemed positions in the Queensland government and here he is tonight rolling back, winding back people’s basic fundamental human rights – it is so disappointing to see this from such a young Attorney-General who has just recently been appointed to such a high position in this state”.
“I find it disappointing that the LNP believes
taking away rights from Queenslanders is one of their highest priorities after just coming to power three months ago,” she said.
“Go out and talk to people in your community.
“I had this discussion with my grandmother recently … and she said to me … if people want to celebrate their love and commitment, let them do that, who am I to judge? This is an 87-year-old woman.
“Queensland has come a long way and this Parliament should not remove rights to decent Queenslanders whose only sin is that they are in a loving committed relationship and they want to celebrate their relationship.”
Totally agree with you Stu. Your comments are ALWAYS right on the nail. However, it’s a shame that Ms Palaszczuk said in the last para “… to decent Queenslanders whose only SIN is that they are in a loving committed relationship….” It would have been more positive is she had used the word DESIRE instead of SIN, which makes it sound like the sky fairy is about to throw a lightning bolt their way. I have many tolerant and understanding friends living in Queensland, and they agree that it’s a redneck state.
EXACTLY why Civil Partnerships aren’t good enough, because whilst they are separate from marriage they can be downgraded at the whim of whichever party is in power.
This story, whilst terrible for those in Queensland, provides the rest of us with ammunition. We need to use it. Write to your MP today and make sure they know about this.
Oh, that will not make a difference to my MP, who responded to my letter to confirm that she will be using her free vote to vote against equal marriage :o(
Another reason civil partnerships aren’t the best route for LGBT people to ensure partnership rights. Separate but equal can lead to separate but unequal.
I agree, and would take it further – separate is never equal. Black people had separate drinking fountains and bus seats.
Yeap, but I’ve been saying that for the last 7 years. Thought I’d mix it up a bit ;)
Separate but equal HAS has already led to separate but unequal, not just in Queensland but in the UK too. Even here, successive governments downgrade genuine same-sex marriages performed outside the country to civil partnerships, though not as harsh as what’s going on in Queensland.
At the heart of this is of course religious bigotry. The religious nutters if they have their way don’t want us to have any legal recognition of any kind. Here in the UK, they use CPs as a weapon to thwart any attempts to introduce equal civil marriage by saying they confer all the rights of marriage, even though the majority of them don’t even believe in them either, how convenient for them. CPs have emboldened the opposition not to introduce equal marriage. They were an important step in the right direction at the time they were introduced, but in reality, they’ve given impetus to the naysayers.
The religious nutters don’t just want us denied legal rights, they want us “corrected”. All in the name of love, of course.
Also love these comments:
“Ms Trad [Labor politician] said people were passionate about the issue “because we are talking about their lives; we are talking about their families”.
She said the LNP was rushing the changes through, without referring them to a committee, despite more than 6000 submissions being made to a panel last year when it considered the original bill.
Ms Trad said US President Barack Obama and Conservative UK Prime Minister David Cameron had both recently pledged their support for same-sex marriage.
“Those are all momentous steps on the road to equality and today Queensland has decided it will take a step backwards,” she said.
Ms Trad said state-sanctioned ceremonies represented acceptance. She said the LNP’s changes altered the civil partnership scheme to little more than a bureaucratic process “much like registering your cars”.
“It is about extinguishing a right for same-sex couples and it is an abomination.”
So not only have the legislators lied, they
have bypassed committee and scrutiny – this shaould be challenged legally – its an affront to natural justice,. democracy, integrity and honesty.
Ms Trad said some more which also upset:
“Ms Trad caused a stir when she made a reference to pre-World War II Germany as she spoke of the need not to act against minorities.
Mr McArdle criticised Ms Trad’s comment as a “shameful statement”.
“It’s hard to believe a leader can be so full of hate and hatred that she can stand and make an allegation along these lines,” Mr McArdle said.”
I find it hard to believe that legislators can be so full of hate that they bypass democracy, lie in elections about their plans, dilute equality, ignore the will of the electorate and fail in their duty to protect civil and human rights.
Always watch out for your freedoms when parties of the right talk about freedom. What they always mean is freedom to share their beliefs.
Usuallythey mean the freedom to impose their rules on everyone.
What a surprise the Christian fundamentalists have had their oar in:
“Australian Christian Lobby state director Wendy Francis, who lobbied Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie in the lead up to last week’s announcement, backed the LNP’s new bill.”
“LNP Cleveland MP Mark Robinson, a conservative Christian, was among those most stridently opposed to civil unions.
Mr Robinson made a general speech to Parliament yesterday afternoon suggesting any expansion of the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples would pose questions about where it could stop, making reference to polyamorous relationships.
He argued children were best raised by a loving mother and father, before quoting numerous religious figures including Pope Benedict.
“Queenslanders are naturally socially conservative and are wary of any moves in Canberra to push a same-sex marriage and same-sex parenting agenda on them,” he said.”
They seem to ignore the issue of civil rights or that many opinion polls have shown
the majority of Australians support allowing same-sex marriage.
In February, Galaxy research commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality found 62 per cent support nation-wide, with 30 per cent opposed.
Queensland the Capital city of Misogyny – can now add to it’s Bigotry rostra Anti Humanity laws – Any bet these Conservative homophobes are superstitious bible wankers too!
I wonder how many believe the earth is 6-7 thousand years old?
I should think that whole bloody bag-full of those Queensland bible-bashers think that!
Queensland Council of Civil Liberties president Michael Cope said the Newman government seemed content to violate the principle of equal treatment regardless of sexuality.
“We are concerned the government is kowtowing at this early stage to the more right wing elements of the LNP. This raises concerns about what they’re going to do to rights in the future.”
Cameron Dick, who served as attorney-general in the ousted Labor government, said the Newman government’s changes would re-criminalise surrogacy and continue the marginalisation of the gay community.
“We’re going back to the past and I just don’t think that speaks of human relationships in the 21st century,” he told ABC radio.
He said Mr Newman “cannot stand (up) to that conservative right wing in his party which says we want a society where … you can’t be gay, you can’t be black …”
Horrendously racist, homophobic and bigoted poltiicians. They need opposing and surprise, surprise – the Australian Christian Lobby like them
Today they came for the gays, tomorrow it will be someone else. Sounds familiar.
“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me”
How so true … and who will be next …?
This inhumanity in Queensland must be stopped and exposed
How I agree with” That There Other David”- As long as Civil Partnerships are SEPERATE from marriage-they can be DOWNGRADED at any time by whatever party is in power.
All these Church leaders that say “Well Civil Partnerships give homosexuals all the same rights as married couples” need to be told about this story. In fact-it would be a good idea to send a copy of this item to your MP when you lobby them to support the introduction of Equal marriage for gay and lesbian couples.
This story couldn`t have come at a better time to support our case.
I urge every reader to use it.
Sounds like Australia is being hijacked by religious extremists.
American style ‘christian’ taliban overturning rights already given. That’s the problem with a federal system of government and explains why it’s not working in Australia or America. Thank goodness we don’t have that sort of system in the UK.
WE should never take anything for granted.
Laws and legislations are so meaningless. As they are never enforced or enacted on.
So easy to repeal. Why do politicians waste time and energy on issues knowing very well that their efforts are fruitless in some cases, especially when they can be repealed.
Queensland has gone back to the bad old days of being the redneck state of Australia
So we should not bother trying to secure equality?
Is that what you are suggesting?
If so, I profoundly disagree with you
There are some laws that are immutable:
God’s moral law
The natural law
and the laws of nature.
You are right, it is fools – secularists, usually – who pin their hopes on parliaments, for no one parliament can ever bind the actions of another.
There are some facts that are immutable – principally that those blinded by indoctrination can not understand humaity, logic, law or reasoning.
This is completely unexpected. I think it is one of the few places in a “Western” country to roll back such rights. Totally against the times. But this is a very important warning sign: rights gained can easily be rolled back for small durations of time (if the political environment changes) or, little by little, for the long run, if the demographics of a place change in a way that increases statistical homophobia.
America leads the western world on rolling back civil rights and marriage is after all a civil right. Let’s not forget, marriage equality was overturned in California, Maine, and on hold in Washington State and Maryland, vetoed in New Jersey and there’s an attempt to overturn it in Iowa. More recently, ALL equality rights for LGBT people in North Carolina rescinded. One of the consequences of federalism and religious meddling in the political system.
This is absolutely shameful!! This isn’t a step back this is almost going back to the dark ages.
I get sick of our community being constantly used for ‘debate’ when we should be treated like any other human being.
People should start protesting about equal tax payments if we’re going to be repeatedly treated like second class citizens.
Those responsible for this in Queensland should hang their heads in shame!
You’re right mate, this is a GIANT step backwards for Australia. I don’t know if their court system and rule their changes illegal or not.
“The fight against gay marriage is being led by various religious leaders. Since the intellectual and moral arguments in favour of homophobia for the past 2,000 years have been underpinned by these same religious groups, it is a bit like in the USA of the 1960s having the Ku Klux Klan deciding on whether black people should have full suffrage.”
(Neil Sinclair, Scotsman)
The LNP sounds like what the BNP would be like if they were all sheep farmers.
Queensland seems determined to disprove the theory that increased general prosperity and education now result in more enlightened attitudes (parts of the USA do very well in this respect too). How embarrassing it must be for intelligent Australians that their nation’s second-largest state is so well-stocked with rednecks.
I know three Queenslanders who live in the UK.
They all hate the suffocating narrowness and political corruption of their homeland and never want to go back.
And they’re all straight!!
I suspect they wouldn’t be surprised by this story.
Can the week get any worse. This is very much an affirmation that what we have gained today can be taken away tomorrow.
We must be vigilant in the defence of what we have and continue to campaign for equality (marriage not something of another name).
It’s easy to sit back and think that what’s happened there is such a long way away but those politics are festering in our parliament.
Also an example of why unions like the FBU need to continue to take care on issues of equality!
Right wing CONservative politicians…don’t believe in telling what they are going to do in campaigns…always the hidden agenda…fight for your rights..by whatever means..fight..
Is there a right wing party left in the planet that don’t act like puke-making bloody fascists? Filth, the lot of them. The human race would be better off without each and everyone one of the self-serving b@stards.
It sounds like Rhodesia.
No wonder Australia has a zero population growth. Over 90% of Brits always come back.
I wonder why.
Narrow minded, provincial and isolated country.
Do go there.
Welcome to the entree to democracy Australian style 2012….then when the other bunch are in power we will have to wear pink triangles. Read King Lear’s curse for my feelings…remain gay and proud…LOVE CONQUERS ALL
From Australian Gay News:
“There was uproar in the Queensland Parliament public gallery last night as supporters of equal marriage protested the downgrading of same-sex relationships in this state.
Amidst warnings from Health Minister Lawrence Springborg that the government had not “gone as far” as anti-equal marriage lobbyists wanted, a group of some 75 protesters in the public gallery interjected as parliament debated the repeal of the Civil Partnerships Act, downgrading same-sex relationships to the status of “registered relationships”.
Equal Love convenor Larry Auld said protesters were removed from the public gallery without warning.
“We went up into the gallery to protest because they are trying to take away our civil rights and are rushing it through Parliament as an emergency,’” Auld told the Herald Sun.
Paul Martin, principal psychologist from the Centre for Human Potential, the moves by the LNP Government against LGBTI Queenslanders will have “a horrendous impact” on
lives of young same-sex attracted people.
Martin said the Newman Government changes were driven by conservative Evangelical Christian ideology.
It seems the state government of Queensland are using parliamentary privilege to abuse the power that has been given to them to facilitate law changing based on religious grounds. Last time I checked this is actually un-constitutional and in breach of the constitution.
But then it seems that state governments are dictating to Julia Gillard and The Federal Government what they can and can’t do. Show that the Federal Government are weak with a poor leadership. Either that or they have a hidden agenda…….maybe Julia is a sympathiser with the ACL?
“The problem with civil unions is that they can be tampered with and watered down, as is currently occurring in Queensland, but marriage will always provide full and unequivocal recognition.”
“Same-sex marriage is the only way to deliver true equality for same-sex couples.”
Mr Greenwich took issue with Mr Newman’s statement that official ceremonies will be removed at the behest of churches.
“Polls show most Australian Christians support equality for same-sex couples, so, in reality, Mr Newman is responding to a powerful, vocal minority of Christians determined to impose their strident views on everyone else including other people of faith.”
Don’t you just love politicians though?
“When asked why people were not told about this move before the election, Mr Newman told the Brisbane Times despite his statement to the contrary, it had always been a party policy commitment and added: ‘No one asked.’”
So… if you *don’t* ask about a policy then they’re not obliged to disclose it. And if you *do* ask and they make a statement to the contrary, they can go ahead and do what they said they wouldn’t do.
Brilliant? not really!
That’s the same action rumored to be the devil’s lie…
Use by religious methods for, ‘this won’t hurt a bit’ or ‘it’s just a little discomforting’ and ‘god love you, (as you suffer)’.
Same as the Inquisition & related acts past/current.
The dictator minded is never up front…
So listen carefully, watch how the acts differ on/off camera…
And be ready next time, stop crying so you can see.
I hope gay tourism completely stops there. The only way these homophobes will reflect on their bigotry is when the money stops coming in. There’s a price to pay when you promote discrimination. I hope people take notice and boycott Queensland.
I can’t believe that in a ‘civilized’ country like Australia, this type of retrograde legislation can be carried forward. Why aren’t the people standing up against it?
Hardly “civilised” if the Aboriginals are still living in abject poverty in their own country……
Words fail me…they really do! just as you things are looking up, this happens!
What astounds me time and time again is the ease in which such things happen when it comes to our personal relationships, something that, when all is said and done, has nothing to do with anyone and yet these bigots choose to interfere and degarde us to second class citizens!!!
How would these bigoted straights feel if someone said that as of blah date all marriages were null and void if A: you have no children B: Can’t have children or C: we don’t like how you live your personal life?
This is just a temporary setback. The global tide is turning with regard to LGBT rights. It is just a question of time, and even the most backward-looking places will come round. Queensland will be recognising equal marriage before long.
I wouldn’t be so sure, Gazza.
The study of history shows that the pendulum always swings back again.
For all you know, our situation at this very moment is as good as it is going to get.
Remember “the credit boom” of only just a few years ago? Many people were sure it would not end. It has. People have lost their homes. People are unemployed and living below the poverty line.
Human rights are very different commodities to economic ones and the pendulum rule is less frequently traversed in rights issues.
Like I said previously, a Third world country pretending to be First World…..A bunch of ignorant, homophobic morons. No real wonder their ancestors were deported from Europe.
OMG. How dare they tell people who they can donate their sperm to or have IVF to have a child. That is absolutely bizarre!
typical – queensland has and always will be the hoe of the right wing bigots! in the 70′s, they had a disgusting premier and the right has continued to exert its uneducated, bigoted and at times, racist views.
Canberra should stand up and show that it has balls, and invoke nationwide recognition instead of leaving it up to each state/territory.
I hope Queensland suffers from the exodus of some of their best and brightest LGBT people moving to other states in Australia.
As a LGBT person from queensland i can say for a fact they suffered this long ago and will keep sufforing this
This is really showing how disparate parts of the Commonwealth have become.