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Washington state looks set to back equal marriage in referendum

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  1. Wait until the anti-marriage equality mendacious filth like NOM show up in the state and spend a fortune on trying to get their own way by spouting lies and drivel.

  2. Great if equal marriage is approved.

    However, human or civil rights are not matters that should be decided by referenda

  3. If I remember correctly, the polls in California showed support for equal marriage also– just prior to passage of Prop 8.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Jun 2012, 12:46pm

      Exactly right, but then California is one of those states where public referenda are permitted to repeal laws already given. Mob rule is never a good thing for democracy. The rights of the minority should always be protected and guaranteed from the tyranny of the majority in accordance with the 14th amendment. I’m just so thankful we don’t have that sort of thing in the UK.

  4. From experience with previous referenda, there needs to be at least 20 points difference for this to pass. Voters at the poll are very strange creatures.

  5. Knowing Wa., I am actually quite surprised that the support for equal marriage is so low, and the opposition so high… :-(

    I wish the equality campaigners well; it looks like we have a harder fight on our hands that I would have excepted. I will be voting! (Voting YES, of course.)

    1. It’s usually the case the liberals and other generally good people are less easy to mobilise into action, simply because live-and-let-live doesn’t generate fanaticism.

      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

      as Yeats said.

  6. It is truly savage and disgusting that a minority’s civil rights are decided by popular vote.

    What type of hideous dump IS Washington that civil rights are decided by popular vote.

    Can we expect to see a reintroduction of slavery in Utah next?

    1. That There Other David 22 Jun 2012, 11:58am

      The problem is that the US Supreme Court has not yet ruled on this issue. Once it has the various referenda will stop. Until then this is just the way the USA works.

      However, I suspect that once a few of the referenda start resulting in marriage equality being voted for, the pressure from the anti-equality side to hold them will subside. At the moment they have only experienced victory by this method, so will continue to use it.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Jun 2012, 12:49pm

        I hear and read a lot about the Supreme Court hearing the Prop. 8 case as well as overturning DOMA. With the majority of 5 very staunch conservative catholic judges on the bench, do you really feel they would rule that both are unconstitutional, given that they’ve already overturned precedent in the Citizens United case?

        1. That There Other David 22 Jun 2012, 1:24pm

          The US Supreme Court cannot simply make a ruling overturning something referred to it on a whim. The nine justices have to explain exactly why they think the ruling of the original and appellate courts were wrong.

          How are they going to justify overturning the California and 9th Circuit rulings on Prop 8, without showing the exact same animus that the Prop 8 proponents are accused of? Simply saying “I’m a Catholic and don’t think it’s right” won’t cut it. They will have to give fully logical reasons why the other judges’ interpretation of the evidence is flawed, according to the US Constitution.

          And those fully logical reasons simply don’t exist. If they did the case wouldn’t have got to the point where the USSC is hearing it.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Jun 2012, 12:43pm

    51% supporting equal marriage isn’t huge and doesn’t guarantee it will pass. Hopefully, the opposite is true.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Jun 2012, 5:09pm

    Why marriage matters!

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