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Feature: Camping through the Falklands, hidden history of the war’s gay seafarers

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  1. damnedfilth 14 Jun 2012, 4:15pm

    Fascinating. Go you boys, Bernie, Wendy and co and wear your medals with pride.

    why oh why oh why is Pink News calling it Malvinas? Didn’t hundreds of our citizens die to make sure it is called the Falklands, or is some media type in Soho more important than people who laid down their lives for a cause, and therefore it “should” be called what they say?

    1. Paddyswurds 14 Jun 2012, 5:38pm

      @….
      …..A lot of Argentinian boys also died in the fight to return the Malvinas to their original and correct name and ownership. It is totally illogical that islands so close to the South American mainland should be under the control of another island 11 thousand miles away. If the shoe was on the other foot and Argentina controlled say, Skye or Man the British would be fighting to get them back. Your comment is an insult to those young Argentinians who fought and died on land and importantly those who were murdered on the Belgrano, which was sunk sailing away from and outside the battle zone during the conflict.
      Thatcher should have been hauled off to the Hague for her crimes both in the Malvinas and for the deaths of 14 young hunger strikers and 13 innocent young protesters in Derry on Bloody Sunday in the north of Ireland, another of Britains follies. The evil old crone has a lot of innocent blood on her hands……

      1. I would hope that the WISHES of the any such island’s INHABITANTS would be considered PARAMOUNT. Is that not one manifestation of DEMOCRACY, which can, admittedly be inconvenient.

        1. Paddyswurds 14 Jun 2012, 9:18pm

          Ian….
          ….Since when did this concern come about..
          In 1922 the people of Ireland VOTED by an overwhelming majority (88%) NOT to accept partition of Ireland, but the British went ahead and voided the VOTE and PARTITIONED Ireland anyway. On that occasion the British had NO concern for DEMOCRACY and rode roughshod over the WISHES of this Islands INHABITANTS and made Britains interests PARAMOUNT..

          1. Sister Mary Clarence 14 Jun 2012, 11:34pm

            ChIp? Shoulder?

          2. The past 90 years has seen a great deal of change in attitudes in so many respects. Do you not think the UK, no longer an imperial power, is in a different place now?

      2. Sister Mary Clarence 14 Jun 2012, 11:33pm

        Yep, you’re absolutely right, it makes more sense for it to belong to whichever country it is closest to rather than a country half way round the world.

        That being the case, we should return the islands to Patagonia and its people’s.

        Oh blimey, hold on a second, we can’t do that can we. The Patagonian’s were all murdered when Argentina and Chile annexed their lands.

        Marched in claimed it as their own and started killing all the locals. Lord knows I’m no historian, but I can kind of see a pattern forming.

        From country that committed genocide over the Patagonians its a wee bit rich of them to be crying foul over the Falklands, and bearing in mind the British lives that were lost preserving our sovereignty over the islands, using any other name for them is an insult

        1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 9:35am

          @SMC…
          ………..”Marched in claimed it as their own and started killing all the locals. Lord knows I’m no historian, but I can kind of see a pattern forming.”

          Similar then to when the British marched into Ireland and claimed it as their own and murdered most of the local inhabitants and kept on murdering right up till 1997…….
          and btw, we here in Ireland find it hard to have any chips on our shoulder or elsewhere…the British cut down our entire stock of oak to build St Pauls, the houses of Parliament and a myriad of ships most of which were used in the trafficking of human beings from Africa to the “new world” in the shameful slave trade

          1. Sister Mary Clarence 15 Jun 2012, 3:34pm

            Paddy, my family is from Africa. We’re kind of over the slave thing to be honest. We could sit around all day being bitter about what happened 100s of years ago not get on with living out lives, or we could accept that it was something that happened in the past, learn from it and leave it there.

            Bitterness doesn’t improve anything.

            You need to move on, it was all a very long time ago.

            This is a story about LGBT people involved in the Falklands campaign, its got nothing to do with Irish trees that may have been used to build St Pauls by any stretch of the imagination

          2. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 8:35pm

            I am not in the slightest bit bitter, merely point out the glaring inconsistencys being shown on this and indeed other threads as if everything were rosy in the garden. Reality is reality no matter how you try to down play it and when history is rewritten to make it look like everyone is wrong except the transgressor then i will not be found wanting. I am proud of my knowledge of real history, not the sugary rubbish a lot of people on these threads seem to imagine. most of them have no idea of history and rely on cut and paste from such “learned ” sites as Wikipedia.

        2. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 9:50am

          A bit rich for a Brit to talk about decimating anywhere, when the Brits were in fact the chief decimaters throughout the world for over 500 years, especially in Africa, from where they shipped millions of Africans, which they used as slave labour to build their “empire.”
          It is sickening to see the splendour being displayed for Lizzie Windsors “jubilee” when one considers how that splendour was obtained and maintained.
          Those who live in glass houses especially when those houses were built off the ill gotten gains of slavery, shouldn’t throw stones.
          I wonder how long after all the oil from the “Falklands” / Malvinas is stolen, will they maintain their ridiculous clam…..
          That raises another question, will they reimburse Scotland for all the oil they have stolen from them over the last 50 years….once Scotland becomes Independent in four years time. Then there will be the inevitable claims over the massacre at Culloden.

          1. Not everyone in Scotland wants it to become independent, so it’s not “when” but “if” Scotland becomes independent. Also, please see my comment further down this thread to see what Culloden was all about – it was not England vs. Scotland as most people seem to think.

          2. Suddenly Last Bummer 1 Jul 2012, 11:47pm

            Ummm you sure you’re not bitter Paddy?

    2. It’s called Malvinas because that was the name of those islands when they were invaded in 1833 by the current occupying forces. That’s still how those islands are called in the whole of Latin America and one of the names used by most of the World.

      1. Sister Mary Clarence 15 Jun 2012, 8:50am

        Unless I’m very much mistaken where’ not in Latin American though are we. Pink News isn’t published in Latin America either as far as I’m aware.

        1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 10:03am

          @…
          ……Yes you are very much mistaken, the internet works world wide and Pink News is available world wide except in totalitarian countries like China and N. Korea where the Interweb is blocked. The Malvinas are part of the South American Continent and as such is Latin America. Just as we are part of Europe.
          Again btw the word is “we’re” as in “we are” …not where’ (sic)
          You obviously didn’t excel at Geography, History or English when you went to school…you did go to school didn’t you?
          Then again that’s probably where you learned to hurl baseless accusations about chips and so on, as you clearly don’t have a clue about the shameful history of the country you live in……

          1. Sister Mary Clarence 15 Jun 2012, 3:25pm

            That’s right mate, and Ireland used to be joined to the UK, and in fact the bit in the north still is. As I understand it, most people are happy with that arrangement, although I appreciate that you’re not.

            It isn’t likely to change any time soon though so maybe you could … I don’t know …. get over it maybe?

          2. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 8:37pm

            You really have no idea have you. Don’t comment if all you are going to do is post utter rubbish about something you are clearly not familiar with.

        2. Those islands are Latin American and you’re very much mistaken. We are in Asia, in Africa, and we are also in Latin America, in fact we’re everywhere. We are the vast majority of people of this planet, and we don’t go around stealing other people’s lands, instead we denounce those who do and we make them pay for their crimes and wrongdoigs. In 1833, there was a thriving community living in the Malvinas islands, just like the one in the Chagos archipelago, but the current occupying forces, very much in the same fashion of 40 years ago, expelled that population by force. The imperial machine and its wrongdoings are being dismantled bit by bit, and you better get used to it.

          1. The continent was stolen from the people it belongs to centuries ago. The Spanish and Portuguese plundered the continent, stealing its riches, and killing or enslaving its inhabitants.

          2. The Spanish and the Portuguese empires have already completely detached themselves from the American continent, more than a century ago. Go figure where the British empire is heading …

          3. The Spanish and Portuguese were kicked out by the inhabitants of their former colonies. The inhabitants of the Falkland Islands have indicated they have no wish to do the same.

          4. The islands were named Isles Malouines in 1764 after the Breton port of St Malo where the expedition that established the FIRST settlement had set off. I take it you suggest returning the islands to France?

          5. The current Malvinas population will also kick their current masters out, if not for decent and honourable reasons, but once its already huge and fastly escalating debts stop being bankrolled with British taxpayer’s money. My answer to your second comment, I suggest you analyse where the name Britain comes from. If you want me to be clearer, I don’t think Britain should be returned to the Roman empire of 2,000 years ago. You already know what I think about the current dwindling British empire, and that I think the Malvinas islands are a British occupied Argentinian territory.

          6. You ludicrous creature, there is British empire any more, what century are you living in?

            Incidentally, why is Hawaii a US state? And I trust you advocate the return of Guantanamo Bay to the Cubans? And why is Puerto Rico a US territory and not self-governing?

            [Apologies to other readers, this is way off topic.]

          7. Now you’re right, it’s way off topic, perhaps you should stay closer to home, and ask why the British empire will dwindle to a pulp …

          8. Sorry B-b-b-beberts old fruit, I was taking a leaf out of your book when it came to sticking to the subject at hand.

      2. So I suppose you also think that the inhabitants of Argentina should leave the country and return to Spain, as they are occupying forces who invaded and decimated the indigenous inhabitants.

        1. The people of Argentina are called Argentinians, they are not Spanish.

  2. Kornelijus Norvidas 14 Jun 2012, 5:27pm

    Nice. Prince Andrew was not so very alone – and, as incredible beautiful men, has a little fun. (Yes, fake marriage with witch was hard punishment. I hope, now his sexual freedom is back.)

  3. Alas! It was not always thus. I served 14 exemplary years in the Royal Navy. I had always kept my sexuality secret, I was wounded in action in Borneo and was twice decorated. Then one day while based in Portsmouth, I was summoned to the ‘Captains Requestmen’ and informed that, as I had been ‘Associating with known homosexuals’, my services were no longer required and I had 2 hours to collect my belongings and remove myself from the barracks. 14 years of pension rights down the drain.

    1. What disgraceful treatment. Could you not now appeal for your pension rights.?

    2. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 10:07am

      @Pete…
      ….Who was it that coined the apt term “Perfidious Albion” Ah yes none other than the Emperor Julious Caesar. It would appear things haven’t changed much in 2072 years.

      1. Julius (note usual spelling) Caesar? 5 years before his attempted invasion of Britain? Given that the phrase goes back all the way to …1793, you should think twice before accusing others of being ill-educated [above].

        1. Paddyswurds 17 Jun 2012, 11:39am

          Au Contrair, it goes back to the Roman Emperor firstly and then the next recorded use was in the 1200s and most notably by Bishop Bossuet in the 1613 and was used many times over the years including in an Irish song; “Oh the night fell black and the rifles’ crack Made perfidious Albion reel”… and has been used many times over the centuries to aptly describe Britain and in particular England, correctly in my opinion.
          Finally to cast aspersions on my education because of an obvious typo is really grasping at straws but is a measure of your usual illiterate style….

          1. And since you’re so splendidly superior to even Brewer (not to mention the OED) Paddykins, would you care to submit your source for this fanciful theory? No, thought not. I get the feeling you prefer your word to be its own authority (which actually it is, if not quite as you imagine).

            It’s strange that you decry everyone else’s ‘illiteracy’ yet can’t even spell au contraire properly. Still, no more than one would expect, in the circumstances.

          2. Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2012, 11:11pm

            In several French dialects the e is dropped. however my mistake was a typo as I normally use the “e” spelling…..Brewer isn’t the be all and end all of phraseology…….. Re the source Caesar made several such references to Perfidious Albion prior to his Invasion attempt and certainly afterwards. Well documented in his papers….

          3. Well, from Wikipedia to Brewer to the OED I’m sure nothing could equal your knowledge, since it apparently relies on nothing more than conceit.

            If Caesar made several references to ‘Perfidious Albion’ (why would he have considered it perfidious?), why can’t you – with your knowledge surpassing that of even encyclopaedias – provide even one source then?

  4. Shake Spear 14 Jun 2012, 6:09pm

    One of the most unjust wars in history. We should be ashamed.

    1. Sister Mary Clarence 14 Jun 2012, 11:36pm

      Tell that to Padagonia – when the Argentinians invaded in they slaughtered every last one of them.

      1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 10:09am

        Total Rubbish. You can’t just make up stuff and expect us to believe anything you post as gospel…..

      2. Sister Mary Clarence 15 Jun 2012, 11:22am

        @ Paddy

        “In the 1870s the Conquest of the Desert was a controversial campaign by the Argentine government, executed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca, to subdue or, some claim, to exterminate the native peoples of the South.”

        Source: Wikipaedia

        Don’t expect you to believe anything I make up, but before you start throwing around your pearls of wisdom about the area, it might help if you actually new something of the history of the area.

        Chile and Argentina invaded Patagonia, stole its lands and kill its peoples, it is well documented historical fact.

        Therefore if we are expected to be giving territories back to anyone, then I think it should apply to everyone. However, in view of the genocide carried out when obtaining the land there probably aren’t too many of the true owns on the land to return it to

        1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 8:52pm

          I will not take history or geography lessons from someone who can’t spell the simplest of words like Knew.
          “Chile and Argentina invaded Patagonia, stole its lands and kill its peoples, it is well documented historical fact.”…..in much the same way then as Britain invading Scotland and murdering thousands;..you have heard of Culloden.. Invaded Ireland and murdered millions; you have heard of the Great Famine in one of the worlds most fertile countries and on and on.
          Encyclopedia Britannica will enlighten you if not and perhaps will also improve your English spelling and grammar.
          Nor will I take lessons from someone who uses Wikipedia as their source of knowledge. Wikipedia, which is 70% fiction posted by self interested idiots…. Go to school for a while SMC. I was going to say “back to school” but I doubt you ever went to school and if you did you spent most of it behind the bike sheds…..

          1. Not all of us have English as a first language. You might want to get over the minor spelling mistakes.

            Vikings, Saxons, Romans, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese – Europe full of invaders at different points in history. Ever wonder why South American speaks Spanish or Portuguese? If you’re unsure, for all its faults, Wikipedia can probably enlighten you.

            I haven’t worked out whether you are in denial of the Argentina/Chile invasion of Patagonia or just not bonding with SMC, but the information is out there, they (already European invaders) not content with the land they had already taken overran the indigenous people of Patagona and stole their land.

            South American only belongs to people of Spanish and Portuguese heritage because their forefathers stole it.

          2. The modern nations of South America did not invade those lands. Those nations are the outcome of European imperialist and colonial invasions. South America has people of multiple origins, and many many more languages other than Spanish and Portuguese are spoken. Britain is still trying to avoid the inevitable and total decline of its empire. But it will surely and completely decline.

          3. Britain never invaded Scotland since Britain was only formed with the Union between Scotland & England. Culloden was not England vs. Scotland – it was the government forces against the Jacobite forces. Each side had Scots & English fighting for them. The Jacobites were basically supporters of the deposed Stewart monarchs and wanted them back on the throne of Britain – it wasn’t about Scottish independence or anything like that.

  5. Nice article :-)

  6. A lovely story, heartwarming. It’s disgusting the way these heroes are ignored by the history books. I for one will be adding to my son’s schooling with information like this.

    1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 10:25am

      @Char…
      ….Don’t forget to tell him the whole story, not just the Brit side. Make sure you tell him about the murder of 323 people on board the Belgrano sunk by the British sub Conqueror while well outside the British-declared Total Exclusion Zone of 370 km and sailing away from said zone. The vile Maggie Thatcher made the decision to commit murder on that day and was clearly intent on killing the entire 1000 people on the General Belgrano……

      1. Sister Mary Clarence 15 Jun 2012, 11:33am

        Paddy, I’m well aware that you ‘United Ireland’ view prevents you from having a balanced opinion of anything British, but there was a declaration of war against Argentina. Argentina invaded a British territory and they sent a battleship to support that illegal invasion.

        They refused to leave the islands when requested, instead choosing to divert attention from very serious internal problems at home but trying to rouse support for the government by illegally occupying the Falklands.

        Wherever the Belgrano was it represented a danger to the lives of British personnel and the inhabitants of the Falklands. That danger was neutralised when it hit the ocean floor.

        This is all about Ireland, and nothing to do with the Falklands in your eyes, and if the Irish government want to invade Northern Ireland in and Argentina-esque fashion, I hope we blow their navy out of the water as well.

        This story is about the contribution that LGBT people made to the Falklands campaign, not bloody Ireland

        1. Paddyswurds 15 Jun 2012, 9:08pm

          Sister Mary Clarance…
          …You cannot come on this thread and post rubbish gleaned from the Sun or Wikipedia and expect not to be laughed at.
          My views on a “United Ireland” have no bearing on my comments and I have never revealed what my thoughts on a Reunited Ireland are on this web site or any other. for all you know I may favour a Federal system for Ireland but that is by the by.. I also mentioned Scotland and Africa and numerous countries that suffered from British imperialism but I really don’t expect any balance from you, who uses the Sun and Wikipedia as your knowledge base. I speak the truth and will not parrot the version made up by self interested British red tops. It is extremely insulting of you to suggest that I sway my opinions or comments because of my nationality and says more about your comments than mine I post facts not opinions in this sort of thread……

          1. In fairness you do come across as a ‘bomb the British’ nutcase though

          2. The Scots played a part in British imperialism just as much as the English did. Scotland and the Scots did very well out of the British Empire.

        2. Sister, Argentina cannot invade their own islands. The British empire, as much as the other European empires, will decline to a pulp, and Ireland will one day unite again, and you can do funck all about it.

          1. Quite right, clearly they can’t. Just as well for the islands’ inhabitants, eh?

  7. An interesting and timely article, but I would like to see more on the ordinary servicemen/women who were lgbt – not just the camp entertainers and stewards. I’m not belittling these at all, and they should be celebrated like anyone else, but a wider spectrum is needed to avoid reinforcing stereotypes.

  8. Lady Tanya 30 Jun 2012, 7:07am

    My brother was a waiter on the QE2, and went back on her to the Falklands when she went to war I have his medal at home now as he died last year, there are some pics of the solders in his things I will have another look at them now

  9. Lovely article. But I think it’s a shame that a disclaimer still has to be printed alongside the first photograph as if being gay is so insulting. I look forward to the day when we are just all viewed as people no matter our orientation.

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