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Debate surrounds intersex inclusion in the DSM V

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  1. Being Intersex is a purely physical condition, surely? And the ‘assigning’ of sex by doctors is abhorrent, I think that is the behaviour that need to change. Intersex children should be allowed to grow up unmutilated, and then when they know who they are, gender-wise, (this happens around 2-3 years old apparently) then steps can be taken to normalise their sex organs.

    1. A copy of our submission to the APA is available here:

      http://oiiaustralia.com/20360/submission-release-on-the-dsm-5-and-soc-7/

  2. Maria Krasinski 13 Jun 2012, 1:51pm

    First, thank you for your support. Next, although some children may know that early what they are, most of us by the very nature of our condition (usually hypogonadol) don’t. The doctors usually assign us based on what they think they can “fix” even if this costs us our fertility or the ability to experience pleasure. Our parents (if fully informed) will fight to preserve our fertility, but will usually settle for (occasionally demand) the appearance of it. These cosmetic surgeries are irreversable, and sacrifice functionality, not for our own vanity, but theirs. Leave our bodies alone. We’ll be mature enough to decide whether or not to make permanant adjustments to ourselves about the same time we become legally responsible for far less permanent decisions…. smoking, drinking, voting, driving, etc. We are children whose most urgent need is to be loved AS WE ARE. If our natural parents are unable or unwilling to do that, there are plenty of adoptive parents who can and will.

  3. And…binary gender considerations is also a problem for many transgender people who identify outside the binary. It is not just an issue for intersex people.

  4. Jen Marcus 13 Jun 2012, 2:44pm

    Intersex people SHOULD NOT be included in the DSM .It is a medical condition involving fetal development on chromosomal , physiological and anatomical levels .Psychiatric intervention may sometimes may helpful to assist the patient with coping with society’s ignorance and bigotry,prejudices and discrimination.

    1. Veronica Drantz, PhD 13 Jun 2012, 3:23pm

      The committee that is revising this section of the DSM is composed of quacks who are exploiting the system to drum up business. Now intersex people can be their clients.

      1. Graeme (@Graeme_xxy) 11 Jul 2012, 1:33am

        Hello Veronica, see you’re saying XXY/Klinefelter’s is intersex,. This is a quote from an 1991 report about Anorexia Nervosa with a man treated for Klinefelter’s syndrome:

        “A variety of psychiatric disorders have been reported in association with Klinefelter’s syndrome, including and increased frequency schizophrenic symptomatology, paranoid states, manic depressive disorder, hysterical syndromes, hypochondriasis (all XXY’s who think they’re intersex are obviously suffering from that one!), reactive depression, and a single case of Anorexia Nervosa. A range of personality and behaviour problems have also been described…..”

        Obviously those who think XXY/KS should not be included in DSM V are a tad bit ignorant, in my opinion.

  5. Remember some of these psychiatrist are also the ones who are anti-gay Christian psychiatrist and psychologist who are using “pray the gay away” and electric shock on the genitals of young gay people as a “cure” to stop them from being gay. They can not be trusted and they have been working for years to make inroads into the gay community to do this.

  6. Trans* Education and Advocacy 13 Jun 2012, 8:10pm

    Just a quick clarification…

    “The DSM, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, is the American Psychological Association (APA) guidebook used by psychiatrists all around the world.”

    The DSM is owned and published by the American Psychiatric Association rather than the American Psychological Association. These are 2 distinct professional bodies, although both rather confusingly use the same acronym – APA.

    While the American Psychiatric Association may be deciding to rename “Gender Identity Disorder” to one (yet to be confirmed) that is perceived to be less offensive or stigmatising to trans* and gender-variant people (many of whom do not wish to be labelled ‘disordered’), it would appear that the net is actually being widened to include any form of gender and/or embodied diversity as a mental disorder.

    Difference is not disease.

  7. Graeme (@Graeme_xxy) 11 Jul 2012, 1:21am

    Klinefelter’s syndrome has been associated with psychiatric conditions since day 1, and it is true, men with Klinefelter’s syndrome DO have psychiatric conditions, mostly because they’re not diagnosed early enough!

    Of course I say it’s their additional X that causes them the most difficulty, but not ALL XXY’s. And XXY’s are definitely NOT intersex, some just like to display their psychiatric illness by pretending that they are intersex.

    Including XXY in a Diagnostic Manual is the correct thing to do as it COULD help more being diagnosed with the true cause of their problems.

  8. Graeme (@Graeme_xxy) 11 Jul 2012, 4:34pm

    How does OII have have the gall to include ‘intersex’ in the British Psychological Societies opposition to the DSM-5? There is nothing about sex at all in their opposition letter, it is OII inserting itself most unpopular self into the debate. It is scare mongering by OII to imply ‘intersex’ is mentioned when they who run OII know the word is old fashioned nomenclature, that has no weight at all.

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