A two year discharge? Not tough enough and is no deterrent. This man will be out again spouting his vile mouth off again in no time.
Can you imagine the sentence if someone was out there shouting anti-Islam remarks, the sentence would be a lot harsher!
Exactly and other will probably follow him as they see they can generally get away with it.
…… As there aren’t any blasphemy laws in the UK you can shout all the anti Islam or anti religion epithets you can muster, however if it is in public or against a specific person then breach of the peace may be used against you……
The point that I am trying to make is that if we did, out in the street, we would feel the full force of the law and not a slap on the wrist which appears to be the case here!
I agree it’s completely out of order that there is a chance this won’t be going on his record. The only possible justification I see is a very early guilty plea, but surely this is only fair in the case of a first time offender. Not somebody who refuses to learn their lesson. However, lets just say I’m confident we will be hearing from Mr. Ahmed again. I doubt somebody who thrives on attention will see this conditional discharge through.
As for your second point, I’m not so sure. EDL thugs for one tend not to get in trouble with the police until their behaviour escalates into violence, vandalism or particularly vile racist abuse such as the case of Jamie Knowlson who broke into a nearby mosque and stuffed ham into everybody’s shoes. (and even he ended up with a mere six month suspended sentence)
this guy is obviously a danger to society, he should be deported, or if british born, sent to Iran where he is no doubt a hero.
…if British born he cannot be sent anywhere except to jail, and then only if he breaks the Law. You don’t live in Uganda……..fortunately.
Their defence lawyer seems to not understand the law.
For there to be a homophobic offence – it does not requrie a member oof the organising team of an event to be concerned and make a complaint – it requires ANY PERSON to be harassed, alarmed or distressed.
Whilst I would prefer a more stringent penalty – I must admit I am unaware of the prior convictions of the individual who commited the criminal act.
I would say that Derbyshire Police and Derbyshire CPS seem to be doing a good job of bringing homophobic cases to trial. Some of those cases are receiving appropriate penalities – others seem not to be.
Surely this vile man should be prevented from any future anti Gay demos after his first offence & later conviction of handing out ‘The Death Penalty?’ leaflets outside his mosque!
He needs to be smacked with an ASBO for such activities……he should find a job where he will be kept busy and out of trouble…
This is a very clear example of why gay men don’t btheredvtpvreport these crimes – there is no deterrent.
Had this been a person touting about say killing black poeple I’m sure there would have been a period of prison.
The female n the London Underground who use racist language received a term in prison.
The other were found not guilty – surey by being associated with the person they are guilty of some act. Normal person would nt wsh to associated with thrusting to kill people.
Yet in Derbyshire last year those who committed orchestrated campaigns of homophobia were sentenced to several years in prison – some cases do lead to deterrants.
I suspect that some magistrates and judges are influenced by their own religious bigotry……
Quite possibly – although they all “should” follow sentencing guidelines
Why do people on PN always use the analogy – ‘ if it were black people’.
Because racism is bubbling away just under the surface of British life, that’s why. You find the same analogy on most comment pages, and it is also a problem in the US except there it is much more blatant and comes to the surface much more readily. Europeans have become a bit more sophisticated in their racism and have learned to hide it a bit better. The racism against President Obama is horrendous, especially from the conservative right, as is evidenced in this horrific video; http://www.towleroad.com/2012/06/jonesflag.html
Why hasn’t Pink News reported this story?
Its a good point. Race and sexual orientation at both protected characteristics in relation to discrimination, so the likening is as a result of that, however you seldom see a likening on here to other protected characteristics like disability for example.
Don’t think I have ever seen anyone comparing the consequences of what they perceive to be discriminatory treatment of gay people to the consequences of discrimination towards the disabled on here
Because, for some reason, our legal system elevates race over sexuality, that’s why
I thought Guantanamo Bay detention camp was for people like him.
Why should we be persecuted like this in the UK? People are citizens of the UK and Europe, we are by law able to live our lives and commit to relationships, if the police and courts cannot lawfully bring charges against people uttering homophobic comments and violence, these will continue. We believe in free speech, but not at the cost of people’s distress and harassment ! We have been victims of local homophobia, although the Police were informed, no charges were brought, only the presence of the Police calmed the situation down.
Two year conditional discharge? How does that send out the message that this criminal behaviour is wrong?
Sorry but had the person being racist we would have seen a very different sentence. It’s not good enough. I refer to the recent case of the woman on the Tube rightly Jailed for racial abuse.
The courts need to send a tough message that hatred is not and should not be tolerated. We should Not be treated as simple target bait with no effective punishment.
“Rightly jailed for racist abuse”?
Are you crazy? Go and Google ‘suspended sentences’ and see what sort of nasty, despicable, violent crimes are given a suspended sentence these days, and then reflect on whether shouting a bit of abuse at some foreigners on a train is really worthy of a jail term.
This is disgraceful. A mockery of the “Justice” system. People like this guy should be locked up for a few months at the very least. Im not a racist person, but whats all that about islam being the ultimate truth? I dont think so.
“Were there any complaints against any of the offences..”This homophobe Ahmed had a very thick lawyer, whose grasp of English is laughable; Hey, idiot, you don’t make a complaint about an offence, but about an action you believe is an offence. Basic legal vocabulary there. Likewise, “All that was complained about was a mishearing” is equally brainless. Does he mean to say that someone actually went into a police station and said “I want to complain that I I misheard.”? I hope this homophibic, illiterate apology for a lawyer never jas to defend me!
Well, but he didn’t do too bad a job of defending Ahmed, did he? Unless you think the conditional discharge was an appropriate sentence.
He succeeded, Rehan. His comments appear to be a complete misunderstanding of the law though!
A bit rich that anyone who adheres to the Islamic Abrahamic cult to accuse anyone of paedophilia when under Islam, girls as young as eight years old can be married off to elderly uncles and cousins…… and then there is the Bacha Bazi.. It would seem that it isn’t only the xtians who pick and choose.
Methinks Ahmed doth protest too much. Seems obsessed with homosexuality. Need to deal with his inner demons perhaps.
Some people are indoctrinated and find it easy to scapegoat groups – it really doesn’t always follow that homophobes are closet gays.
I don’t understand.
If “Islam (is) the ultimate truth”, then why live in a secularist country? Why not simply MOVE to an Islamic nation?
This is just beyond me.
Well, that’s the crux of it, isn’t it? They always seem so determined to force everyone to believe as they do. Just as so many tiresome Christian extremists do.
I might go and shout with a loud hailer that islam is a dieing way of life and this is a tolerant country but we will not tolerate closet homosexuals who hide under the banner of violence
It’s amazing how a follower of Islam, a death cult concocted by a mass murdering pedophile who was having sex with a 9 year old girl and cold bloodedly murdered 900 people, has the temerity to lecture others on personal ethics and morality.
What i don’t understand is — if a person can be imprisoned for posting racist comments on Twitter or making racist comments on the London Underground, why weren’t custodial sentences issued for these hate speeches?
it is baffling how these religious nuts are without any sense of irony – considering their prophet was f*kkking a 9 year old girl