Maybe we should bomb russia…
In Denmark they pass a law allowing SSM, in Russia they ban gay pride marches for the next 100 years.
For every two steps forward there is one back. There is a lot still to be done.
thats really childish
100 years? Really? Overkill much? Utter nonsense.
Yes, it sounds a very hissy-fitish queeny response.
Calling it a 100 year ban isn’t really accurate. What happened was that Alekseev asked for permission to host a pride parade in 2010 (or whatever the first year was), and the city government said no. So Alekseev then asked for one in 2011 and was told no, then he tried for 2012, and so on until he got to 2112. Perhaps the city government would have been better off telling him to wait until nearer the time.
I can understand why Alekseev did this, but unless he succeeds in getting the ECHR to overturn the decision, he’s probably made the situation worse. In a few years’ time when attitudes have changed, an LBGT organisation wanting to arrange a pride parade in Moscow will now find it much harder to get permission as the local government have already rejected it, and the courts have already upheld this rejection as legitimate. That’s not to say the city can’t change its mind, but it does make it seem less likely.
Just a thought, could they have a joint humanity parade with other segregated groups and have another person make the application?
When it is the law itself that’s out to get you, playing games with the letter of the law will not help.
At best, what would happen is the police arresting just the suspected gay people in the parade
because of that law banning gay propaganda.
But more likely a bunch of unofficial goons/thugs would break up the parade, while the Moscow police forces are otherwise occupied and will arrive late if at all.
If we all took that approach then people and events like the Suffragettes, the Stonewall Riots, MLK, Mandela, the Arab Spring, the Berlin Wall collapse etc would never have happened.
Sometimes you have to challenge the illegitimacy of the law in any way you can.
100 years, just petulant and childish and a puerile way of asserting their difference from the west.
A consistent feature of most of these countries that like to uphold what they sometimes describe as “traditional values” is that they rarely have immigration problems. The traffic is always in the opposite direction.
Even the holy ones in the west don’t seem to show any enthusiasm for emigrating to them? Funny that.
True that. Russia’s population is collapsing – thanks to massive emigration out of the country and that fact that Russia is in the grip of a chronic alcoholism epidemic. Thanks to alcoholism the life expectancy of Russian males is 59 years (compared to about 79 years for males in Britain.
China will sort Russia out when it decides to expand into Russia (this is inevitable).
The Russian court decision like this one make this huge country look like a circus! It also reflects badly on Russians. It makes them look backwards, ignorant and bigoted! I won’t spend a cent there!
You are an ignorant about Russians. Don’t mix Russian people with decision of Moscow’s local court. Your intelligence equal to chicken’s mind… He-he-he….
A country in the grip of religious mania, with a corrupt, kleptocratic, mafia-based economy, a declining population due to a rapidly declining birth rate, high suicide rate, rampant alcoholism, drug use, sky high HIV rates and where the most able and thoughtful people are emigrating at ever increasing speed will not be around in 100 years.
Russian guys are hot! I’d love to marry one… then move to England, raise a few horses, and have large international BBQs with other Gays on the weekends.
Speaking of cute Russian guys, go here… http://ruralgaylife.com/Rural_Gay_Life/Home_Movies/Pages/A_Public_Appearance.html#0
what stupid morons -how can you ban something for the next 100 years – the people that made this decision do they have a brain cell amongst the?m
100 years? What breathtaking hubris.
I’m talking about the hubris of Moscow city government and the court’s decision.
Is the Russian government totally Deranged and backward !!!!!!!
When will people get there heads out of the sand, stop reading that comic book
Called the bible, there is more love and respect in the gay community,,,,, than there is in all the churches on this planet
Who is deranged is you, since the Bible is the book of wisdom but you incapable to comprehend it with your deranged brain….
Russia looks to be shutting it’s doors and going backwards into isolation again such a shame after after the optimism of Glasnost that Gorbachev introduced.
Leave it to the Russians to go over the top in making themselves look stupid.
I’ve been living in Russia for the last few months, going home soon. Just thought I’d share a story. This weekend the TV channel that shows the Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy etc is having a gay theme night. In the trailer for it they completely take the p155 out of St Petersburg for passing the gay propaganda law. There is still some hope left in this place. I think a lot of the younger generation are beginning to see things more sensibly.
I wonder how many daft laws dating from before the October Revolution 95 years ago they still have on their statute books.
I am confident that people’s attitudes will change a lot over the next 100 years and no doubt the ban will be overturned well before it is due to expire. When our Queen ascended to the throne in 1952, the country was going through a ‘scare’ which saw a wave of arrests of gay men. Who would have thought then that in her Diamond Jubilee Year we will be talking about marriage equality? No doubt Moscow’s daft law will fall by the wayside in the next few decades.
Human rights of 8.5 million gay, lesbian and bisexual people are NOT abused in Russia.
“Stonewall International” are public liars. Very small, marginal group of Moscow gays does not representing 8.5 million Russians.
Russia is a Greatest Country in whole world, while England is a small, sinking and stinking island…. He-he-he….
The ECHR will not be able to do anything about this.
Firstly Russia is a dictatorship posing as a democracy.
Secondly thanks to the massive, widespread human right abuses perpetrated by the Putin dictatorship, the ECHR has a backlog of cases that will take about 20 years to get through.
Why such a big backlog you may ask – well blame Russia. Russia’s utter disregard for human rights has rendered the ECHR completely useless when it comes to Russia.
121 judgements against Russia in the ECHR last year.
Russia has signed the convention on European Human Rights which allows citizens the right to appeal to an international court in Strasbourg on human rights issues.
The first judgment against Russia came in 2002. Violations found by the Court include violations of the right to life (art. 2), of the right to fair trial (art. 6), of the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment (art. 3), of the right to liberty and security of the person (art. 5), of the right to respect for private and family life, home and correspondence (art. 8), of the freedom of expression (art. 10), of the right to effective remedy (art. 13), and of the obligation to cooperate with the Court (art. 38). A total of 41,300 pending applications by 31 October 2011 Russia remains the country against which the largest number of applications is lodged.
There were 121 rulings against Russia in 2011 alone.
Thanks for your reporting on this.
I posted it to my LGBT Group on LinkedIn and also made a comment there to spur members to read your article and to make comment. I also scooped it at Scoop.It on my LGBT Times news mashup.
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Perhaps its time to put our “money” behind our suggestion that the government there treat the LGBT community fairly. If we pull our money OUT of their tourism and tell government why, then perhaps they will reconsider their dated actions!