“It seems clear that Christians are being excluded from mental health services because they are Christians.” No sunshine, being gay is NOT a mental health issue as it is not a sickness!
Actually there is every reason for some christians to be included in mental health issues. But not in they way they would agree with.
This is an example of the nuts running the Asylum. these anything but Xtians are ill with fear and hate.
The solution to the situation is an easy one – they should start a private insurance firm that DOES cover all these “gay cures” if they feel so strongly about it. If they’re not willing to do that then they really don’t have the right to complain about anything.
Fine. Two words, done under oath – Prove it.
Prove that it is anything other than an abusive act that pushes people in to closet and causes them grievous harm.
I know proof isn’t their strong point, but science and medicine have nothing to do with fairy stories. Either they prove veracity, or they shut up and get out of the way.
I went to a conference where some gay kids who had been thru “fixing” spoke
One said that of 7 in his class, 4 committed suicide within a year or 2
The other said that 3 of 5 did the same.
As usual these Xtians are willing to murder people to cure them, reminds me of bloodletting
And someone else told us how over a period of years, he spent $30,000 and is still gay.
The other bottom line is that the fix gay thing is a scam to make money, as well as twisting minds . If God was awake he would simply put a lightning bolt into the heads of the scamster xtians.
they are little different then the Muslim extremists, just different tactics
If this group are employing psychiatrists engaging in reparitive therapy then the Dutch clincial regulators need to investigate the harm they are doing to their patients.
I would actually encourage the Christian group to appeal – because it will bring more spotlight to the offensive “therapy” and encourage people to seek to refer the matter to the Dutch equivalent of the GMC or BACP.
Maybe Patrick Strudwick could give some advice to a Dutch colleague to ensure a similar expose!
Says it all really doesn’t it?
“We don’t want to offer “treatment” to those who need it freely. We want to be able to charge insurance companies to pay us for it”
Disgusting all over
You know when it comes to issues of homosexuality some Christians are just like child abusers – they blame the victim, try and twist it and malign it to make them believe it is their fault.
However, most of us are not taken in by their faux victim status.
Most Christians are child abusers, teaching a child to hate themselves is abuse. Disowning a child is abuse. Corporal punishment is abuse.
Where do these “christian” groups get their money from? Most of us wouldn’t dream of wasting money on solicitors, yet these groups keep challenging the law over and over again.
Can’t they spend their money on something more constructive like flushing it down the toilet or something more useful like sending it to the needy in Africa.
Honestly what on earth is wrong with these groups, they’re totally bonkers. Gay cures, not performing CPs, refusing beds in B&B etc etc…c’mon is this really christianity at work?
If they are going to send it to the needy in Africa fine but not the likes of Zimbabwe or Uganda. Countries like Mozambique or Rawanda deserve the help though.
You would dismiss an entire countries needy because of what the government stands for? Surely two wrongs do not make a right. Saying that I am probably being quite simplistic.
If you cant control what it funds, you can’t safely send the money. Sending cash to a neighborhood crime lord to stop drunk driving makes about the same sense. You aren’t helping anybody if you “send aid” that is just being stolen by the defective local regime keep their military graft structure in place.
Those same people will not just take food aid and sell it on the black market, they will let it rot on the docks or burn rather than let their downtordden see the first grain of rice from other than their own hand as carrot and stick both.
Hit money-and-power hungry people the only place it hurts, in their off-shore bank accounts. By cutting off that “aid” to the local umbermnch you make them porrer than their neighbors. They lose ground by standing still. They know it. That’s why this pressure works.
It sounds cruel. It -is- crule. But it is less cruel than funding death squads with with snacky-cakes.
It is a shame that even the most tolerant country in the world has to have a fly in the ointment. If those daft Christians want gay cure therapy then they should pay for it themselves. Maybe they should spend money on finding a cure for gulliability. Or better still give some money to the local childrens’ hospital instead.
On the other hand it’s oddly reassuring (in a roundabout sort of way) that even in The Netherlands there are Christians this mad – sometimes it’s hard not to get demoralised by the ludicrous bile we’re often exposed to here.
These insane anti-gay Christian psychiatrist electric shock the penis of young gay boys to give them the “gay cure” what these anti-gay Christian psychiatrist terrorist are really doing is torturing a child, human being. Stop the madness and arrest these Christian terrorist and put them in prison.
lets hope the insurance companies do not pay a further penny to any religious group offering such treatments (i use the word treatment in its loosest sense)
I’m rather surprised this was insured to begin with. It’s not an accredited psychological condition.
Separation of church and state all the way.
They go from “The Government won’t pay for quack gay cures” to “Christians are being excluded from mental health services” in a blinding display of privileged stupidity. Pretty sure most of the people utilizing the mental health services are Christians. Pretty sure.
““If clients (are not able to and) do not want to give space to their homosexual feelings because of their orthodox Christian beliefs and suffer psychologically because of this, then there is no question of a psychiatric illness. The support for this suffering should then, for example, have to take a pastoral route.
“The origins of this suffering in these cases are not psychiatric in nature but lie in their religion. There’s therefore no question of a psychiatric diagnosis, no questions of psychiatric treatment, and therefore there is no question of insured care.””
Those crazy anti-gay Christian psychiatrist should be arrested and put in prison for the crimes against humanity that they do to LGBT people all around the world.
Their crimes against humanity are not just against LGBT people – they hate women as well.
Oh let them take a court case.
They will lose and will have wasted loads of money which could have achieved something useful – you know, like helping the poor?
They can appeal, but courts are based on reason – a hard lesson for dear old Rosemary Bull to learn.
How many cases has Andrea Williams won …. ah yes, basing them on reason appears to be a problem for her ;-) … thats why she wins VERY VERY few
Fortunately the religious crazies will find that the Dutch Government aren’t going to be a pushover in this regard. The Netherlands has always been a beacon of hope where human rights are concerned and I am only surprised that this fraud was ever allowed to be claimed on Health Ins.
Why is this story stuck on the current list while stories only 24 hours old like the Northern Ireland one disappear completely. this story has been here for almost ten days, Why?
Has Pinknews developed a stutter?? This article seems to feature in every emailout they do presently? And its dead boring…
Reparitive therapy should be banned completely in this country, and any country that values its citizens and protects them.
As it happened, when this was discussed some weeks ago, I emailed NICE and asked them about reparative therapy in the UK, and whether they approved it, and if they knew if it was being funded on the NHS. They acknowledged my request but I haven’t had a reply yet.
If we find out the NHS is paying for any of this type of treatment there will be an incredible outrage, especially since all the professional bodies consider it a disciplinary offence to offer this type of service.
Ok, I lied, apparently. I’ve just been through my junk folder, finally, and there was a reply on the 12th. My inbox security is tighter than a duck’s **** !
They wrote; “NICE have not been asked by the Department of Health to produce any guidance on Reparative Therapy.
With regards to your question about NHS funding for treatments, NICE are not involved in these decisions, they are made by local PCT Trusts.”
So, I’ll have to look elsewhere for an answer.
1. Should the NHS ask NICE to conduct a review of the efficacy of reparative therapy, given that all the credible professional bodies disapprove of it, say it’s not effective, and often leads to harm and can be dangerous ?
2. Should I write to each PCT and submit a formal Freedom of Information request asking for details of if and when and at what cost they have been involved in providing NHS-funds for reparative therapy ?
Oh frigg !
There are tons of PCTs. :(
they should be treating the illness of christianity that way they would get 100% cure rate and everyone could get on with their lives as happy homosexuals
The Dutch government has got it right. It’s sad that anyone should want to be subjected to damaging, fraudulent quackery, but no other body, public or private, should be made to pay for it. That is the issue – not ‘discrimination’.
Waayhay, this boring story is finally on the move….not much, but movement none the less. Pink News seems to finally be recovering from this bout of constipation….lol