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Utah: Mormons march in their hundreds at gay pride parade

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  1. shelleybear 5 Jun 2012, 5:37pm

    Very nice.
    Are they still paying a tithe to the LDS church?
    If so, they are hypocrites.

    1. de Villiers 5 Jun 2012, 8:29pm

      Everyone is a hypocrite because we are not robots and do not operate according to perfectly written programming. One of the bigger problems with the States United is that people do not see the value of hypocrisy. It provides for manners and allows us to get-on with each other.

    2. Mormons are two faced hypocrites, they put on a show that they are pro gay all the while they stop anybody from having gay sex by throwing them out of the Mormon Church and have nothing to do with them. Our sex lives are not the business of the Mormons or any religion or government. Yes Mormons pay money to the Mormon Church and the Mormon Church spends it stopping gay marriage and the “gay agenda”, they lie and hide the truth just like the Pole and the Catholic Church hides the pedophile priest and the children they rape and abuse, don’t trust them if you value you life and freedom.

      1. This group, Mormons Building Bridges, is an independent association of LDS members, who publicly disagree with their church’s handling of gay issues. MBB supports the advancement of gay rights. That’s why they march in the parade. And most gay people and non-Mormons here in Utah were thrilled that they participated.

      2. David Myers 7 Jun 2012, 2:56am

        Yes, Tony. These Mormons are our allies. Pay attention. We want all of the allies and supporters we can get. Every one won over is one less bigot threatening our lives and liberties.

        1. Since I live here in Utah, I’ve been trying to say that now and then in Pink News comments. In the past, those comments have usually been treated with skepticism or hostility, and tended to be voted down more than up. It seems like it shouldn’t take a major media-covered event like this for people to actually believe that there are devoted pro-gay Mormons who associate, form organizations, and work to try to better the plight of LGBT people and foster more positive respectful communal interaction.

          It was Affirmation (one of the various pro-gay Mormon associations I’ve mentioned) that held then-secret meetings with the LDS Church and convinced them to endorse antidiscrimination in housing and employment. Even that was tectonic at the time. The Utah state legislature (dominated by rank-and-file Republicans) refused to follow suit, but the church’s shift alone was considered an enormous improvement of good will, especially after the acrimonious fallout of Proposition H8.

  2. Yay! Being tolerant and accepting feels good, doesn’t it LDS?

    Keep it up. :-)

  3. This is very sweet. I suspect it has helped that the church of LDS has its fair share of run-ins with the state and with public bigotry at large over the years.

  4. Helge Vladimir Tiller 5 Jun 2012, 7:25pm

    From Norway ! Very nice, but it’s just a beginning. More support for gay rights from Christian groups and organizations, please.
    Greetings from Oslo-

  5. LDS members and people on the ground are far more supportive ….it’s when they become leaders in the church that they feel the need to follow the hard line and look up in the Church doctrinal manuals, how they should deal with LGBT issues. Then, it more than often they loses the ability to think for themselves and what they know deep down is right, as they protect their official positions as Bishops. It’s going to take a long long time before equality is achieved in the LDS church. If Christ himself came down and talked to the First Presidency of the Church, I fear that His words would fall on deaf ears.

  6. LDS members and people on the ground are far more supportive ….it’s when they become leaders in the church that they feel the need to follow the hard line and look up in the Church doctrinal manuals, how they should deal with LGBT issues. Then, more than often they loses the ability to think for themselves and what they know deep down is right, as they protect their official positions as Bishops. It’s going to take a long long time before equality is achieved in the LDS church. If Christ himself came down and talked to the First Presidency of the Church, I fear that His words would fall on deaf ears.

    1. GingerlyColors 5 Jun 2012, 10:05pm

      It is the same with grass-roots Catholics. While the hierarchy still continue to rile us, many ordinary LDS members are either supportive of us or do not have any issues regarding marriage equality and other LGBT rights.

  7. Even tho i’m completely against religions in general, i still think that these people have a good heart and i wanna thank them for doing this because there are LGBT people who are apart of a religious group and want to be recognized. So job well done!

  8. It’s good to see people who are not afraid to stand up for beliefs that are unpopular in their community.

  9. It’s nice that members of the LDS church are pro LGB but it’s sad the church is official homophobic. Hopefully that will change someday, but I wouldn’t expect much from a church that follows a religion as crazy as that- thankfully not all its members are completely brainwashed.

    1. DJ Sheepiesheep 5 Jun 2012, 10:51pm

      Personally, I’d be more worried about hatred from within our community, such as those who consistently omit the letter T from LGBT.

      1. Lumi Bast 6 Jun 2012, 2:02am

        It’s LGB. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate things. And me stating a fact like that is far different from someone belonging to an evil religion.

        1. “And me stating a fact like that is far different from someone belonging to an evil religion.”

          What fact? Your “fact”? What a twisted and repugnant creature you are.

          Grow up.

      2. Lady Tanya 6 Jun 2012, 5:42am

        she always drops the T, she hates us Ts.
        The only thing she is right on is the fact that any church will never let us be, and maybe the mormons are playing with us so they can have there polygamys marriage made legal

        1. Lumi Blast is trolling. Don’t feed the trolls.

          Also, there are various separate Mormon factions. The largest one, the LDS Church, bans polygamy, and polygamous marriage within it has been rare for well over a century. The vast majority of the world’s Mormons (>14 million) are LDS.

          It’s mainly the much smaller fringe FLDS Church (F for “Fundamentalist”) that continues to practice polygamy. That’s the group run by Warren Jeffs, who was convicted for statutory rape. He has almost zero sympathy from mainstream LDS.

          These parade marchers are mainstream LDS, but they publicly disagree with the way their church handles gay issues. Their group, Mormons Building Bridges, supports gay rights.

    2. here we go again. Lumi the troll with her narrow-minded views of who is deserving of support and understanding and who is exposed to her wicked, filthy abuse even on an LGBT site.

      1. Agreed. Just wait for the usual boo-hoo bollox she gives about how her sad little life and the oppression of her sexuality made her a spiteful bigot, and its not her fault *rolls eyes*

    3. Poor little Lumi doesn’t hate T’s.

      From the Scottish sports homophobia thread Lumi said

      “The only immature people on here are people like
      -The homophobic trolls on here
      -People who call me trolls
      -People who support transsexuality
      -People who attack me for not supporting transsexuality

      I’m mature enough to understand that you don’t enable mental illnesses, you treat them”

      My question to you Lumi, since you obviously know better than the medical and psychological experts of this world, what would said treatment involve

      “Doctor, I want to discuss the possibility of looking into gender reassignment”

      Lumi “Tough, you were born the way you are so get over it. Here, take these anti-depressants everyday until the day you die and don’t ever consider such an evil and immoral thing again”

      1. Correction – Poor little Lumi doesn’t hate T’s. She just considers them as mentally ill.

        Apologies for my shoddy typing :P

  10. The world sure is changing. Even the Mormons can’t stand hate and intolerance anymore. I know, it’s still a small percent of the LDS Church, but still it’s good news. It seems like more Christians are finally understanding the true words of Jesus about love and compassion when he said “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself”.

  11. Here in Utah, this was amazing news. There were expected to be about 100 or so LDS marchers, and there was 300 instead. The local discussion has been electric. Most of the broad center of Mormons and non-Mormons feel united about something positive and progressive, which doesn’t happen all the time.

    I did, however, feel put off by extreme reactions by both anti-gay and anti-Mormon people, who either couldn’t accept or wouldn’t believe this gesture. For many Utahns who are both gay or gay-friendly and LDS, this is a bridge that really needs to be built. No one should ask people not to be gay, and no one should ask people not to be Mormons. For each in this community, it is a very deep spiritual and cultural identity, and for pioneer-descended Mormons it is also an ethnic identity. There are people who want both better equality for gay people, and to reform the reactionary patriarchal elements in the church. Both efforts should be supported.

    1. Well said. I fully support those who marched in Utah as LDS who feel for equality for LGBT. Acceptance and love are key in allowing all to live their lives in the way that is detrimental to no one.

    2. Dennis Battler 6 Jun 2012, 4:07pm

      Recognizing gay people and being supportive of living gay lives including active sex lives may be 2 entirely different issues – are these Mormon groups supportive of active sex lives of gay and lesbian Mormons? I ask this because of Mormons stated support of gays and lesbians being conditional upon non active sex lives. Meaning, having gay desires is one thing that they have come to “accept” however sex has always carried very stringent and specific guidelines within the Mormon beliefs. Please clarify the views of active sex lives for gays & lesbians by these groups. Thank you.

      1. Mormons Building Bridges is one of three major Mormon pro-gay associations, and its main message is love, acceptance and support of LGBT people. It’s not a formal organization, but it rallies around that message. They don’t want LGBT people to feel ashamed or marginalized for being who and what they are. MBB is about respect.

        Another major group, Affirmation, is much better organized and is more specifically pro-gay rights and pro-marriage equality. A third, Mormons For Marriage, is an association specifically in favor of marriage equality.

        Participation in these groups are diverse – gay, straight, active LDS, inactive LDS, former LDS, non-LDS, etc. Does that answer your questions?

  12. Mormons Building Bridges is not the only Mormon gay rights group. There’s also Affirmation and Mormons For Marriage. All three organizations have grown significantly more influential since the fallout of Proposition H8. They seek both to advance gay equality, and to reform the LDS Church from within. They are worthy causes.

  13. These Mormons are a fraud, they act like they can be gay and even walk in a gay parade but the truth is they will kick you out of the Mormon Church if you have gay sex. They really want to stop gays from being gay and this is just a PR stunt, Public Relations stunt to make them look like they agree with gay marriage and gay sex which they do not. Why do you think they are still spending millions fighting to stop gay marriage and the “gay agenda” behind your backs while they smile and march in a gay parade? They are dishonest, I have met these Mormons who are ex gay and fake gay who pretend to be gay to get their religion into the gay community to “make them straight for their ‘Heavenly Father’ or their God” as they call him. Do not turn your back on the Mormons they will stab you in the back.

    1. Conspiracy theorist? Mormons can actually be very diverse people, from reactionary to progressive (the latter especially true outside the United States), and from all different cultures. They are not clones of some caricature.

      Most gay people and non-Mormons in Utah were thrilled by the participation of these brave and daring Mormon individuals in the parade. Mormons Building Bridges is a pro gay rights support group with a growing membership of both straight and gay Mormons. It is trying to reform Mormon culture to embrace and accept gay people for exactly who and what they are.

  14. Dustin Lance Black tweeted about this and I was amazed, it’s fantastic to see individuals supporting LGBT rights despite the fact that the organisation they are part of don’t.

  15. This religion is as mad as a box of frogs (and they are all pretty nutty), but good on these folk!

  16. One thing people really need to understand, is that the church’s open support of Proposition H8 was controversial to a significant segment within the church, who respected gay people and didn’t think it was the church’s business to get involved in this. The backlash against H8 not only shocked the church, but the church’s participation galvanized many active church members to independent organize and oppose the church’s anti-gay efforts. Mormon gay rights groups (in criticism of the church’s official stance) have become much larger and more influential as a result. They are still Mormons, but never wanted to be associated with hate, fear and ignorance.

    As Bazza said, compare grassroots Catholic groups who disagree with Rome.

    I’m a second generation Mormon gay rights supporter. My parents have respected gay people and their rights since at least the 1960s. It is a matter of equality and social justice.

    1. Pardon me, it was GingerlyColors responding to Bazza.

  17. Dave Sadler 6 Jun 2012, 11:48am

    So, a very small minority of Mormons (Mostly rebellious teenage girls from the photos) are marching in pride parades… meanwhile LDS Mormon Inc is sending it’s European henchman to give speeches at the ‘World Congress of Families’ – An incredibly homophobic Global organisation very thinly veiled to be Pro family whose main objective is fighting and removing GLBT rights globally.

    I’m surprised Pinknews is buying into this façade being presented by Mormon PR Inc. Whose sole purpose is to get Mitt Romney elected.

    I’d much rather see some real journalism covering the recent ‘World Congress of Families’ held in Madrid. Where Gay hate speech after Gay hate speech is delivered by many including Mormon leaders.

    http://www.worldcongress.org/

    1. Dennis Battler 6 Jun 2012, 4:08pm

      agree 100%
      Recognizing gay people and being supportive of living gay lives including active sex lives may be 2 entirely different issues – are these Mormon groups supportive of active sex lives of gay and lesbian Mormons? I ask this because of Mormons stated support of gays and lesbians being conditional upon non active sex lives. Meaning, having gay desires is one thing that they have come to “accept” however sex has always carried very stringent and specific guidelines within the Mormon beliefs. Please clarify the views of active sex lives for gays & lesbians by these groups. Thank you.

    2. Hi, I was raised Mormon. My family are progressive Mormons, and my parents have supported gay people since long before I was born. I intend to vote for Barack Obama. I’m proud to be a second-generation Mormon gay rights supporter, now in my 30s.

      Associations like Mormons Building Bridges, Affirmation and Mormons For Marriage are trying to instill a culture of respect and acceptance of LGBT people. There’s a yawning cultural gap between the younger people (younger than 40) and the church elders, who are often as old as 80-100 – Mormon leadership seniority is by age, and Mormons usually have had significantly above-average lifespans since the 19th century. Mormon society overall is not a monolithic, undifferentiated mass of unanimous opinion. Most of the younger population are far more comfortable and accepting of LGBT people than their reactionary elders. Gay rights are an ongoing active debate, both within Utah’s community and within the Mormon community.

  18. Dennis Battler 6 Jun 2012, 4:08pm

    Recognizing gay people and being supportive of living gay lives including active sex lives may be 2 entirely different issues – are these Mormon groups supportive of active sex lives of gay and lesbian Mormons? I ask this because of Mormons stated support of gays and lesbians being conditional upon non active sex lives. Meaning, having gay desires is one thing that they have come to “accept” however sex has always carried very stringent and specific guidelines within the Mormon beliefs. Please clarify the views of active sex lives for gays & lesbians by these groups. Thank you.

    1. See my response further up.

      1. WAKE UP PEOPLE! They are NOT supporting you. They are trying to lure you into their church. THey STILL stand against gay marriage, and couples. They have actively stated that it’s not the ‘thought’ that is the sin, just the action. They have stated that IT’s fine to be gay, but just don’t act on it. This is the SAME equivelent of christians saying ‘We love you, not your sin”. It’s just a way to make gay and lesbian people feel ‘comfortable’ at their church, which STILL preaches that gay and lesbian sexuality is WRONG. These idiots are NOT our allies.

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