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  1. Staircase2 29 May 2012, 8:44pm

    Where do they get these idiots?
    (Do they train them to be that stupid & unGodly?)

    The only thing that Equal Marriage will damage is bigotry & Religious anti-spiritual dullardness…

    1. They are brainwashed as children and never recover. Their reason is removed and replaced with blind faith. Only very cruel parents would offer their offspring for such a fate.

    2. Well, quite! I don’t even get angry at these people any more. I just leave them be. I don’t even think they have influence anymore to be honest.

      1. Errol Semple 29 May 2012, 10:45pm

        They will die off.
        They do not reproduce!

    3. These priests are feeble often damaged men who for to long have been elevated in society and allowed too much power. They manipulate the vulnerable to support their madness. Most of the stiff they preach they have no belief in – it is all a sham. However their masks has skipped and now more and more people are coming to understand their game,

    4. Another Hannah 30 May 2012, 2:12pm

      I have to say I wish their was a dedicated charity to keep on watch on the Roman Catholic church. The Roman Catholic church is again in the news for a senior member having abducted, murdered and buried a sixteen year old girl within the grounds. Pope notably on Sunday would not say prayers for her, but instead, ignoring her supporters, for an archery club. Also a gangster being buried in ground designated for saints, who was tied to the girls murder and the Vatican bank. The works of people like Paddy Doyle on Roman Catholicism are quite stunning (and his website), but it is chilling to wonder about what is still going on in countries like Brazil. I just wish that there was a dedicated charity to monitor them, and help their victims.

      1. Carry on Cardinal ! 30 May 2012, 3:05pm

        Don’t forget the US Knights of Columbus on the Board of the Vatican Bank, getting rid of the man who wanted more transparency. Any connections between them and NOM? Would be interesting to know.

    5. Peter Thoms 30 May 2012, 8:15pm

      I think gays are idiots.

      The only thing you should be sucking is an enemy gun barrel.

  2. Keith Farrell 29 May 2012, 8:48pm

    this bishop suffers from Rectal Cranial Inversion. This disease otherwise known as Head up your own arse syndrome affects the lives of many. There is no known cure for Rectal Cranial Inversion, sadly.. I meet many people afflicted with it every day……….

  3. It comes as no great surprise that the UK’s most senior catholic should come out against SSM, why wouldn’t he? But he has fallen into something of a trap when he says that having children must be central to marriage. I think that will come as a great surprise to many infertile couples.
    Surely what is central to marriage is the bond of love and respect?

    1. There have been cases where ministers have refused to marry known infertile couples.

      1. I didn’t know that. Wow – is there no end to the church’s inhumanity?

    2. Just take out the word marriage from the headline and you are left with him saying that equality is damaging to society. This is a typical catholic view as they have resisted every single step forwards for democracy and will continue to do so. The problem is a lot of infertile couples will not see his words as relating to them, because they do not think that deeply. Perhaps if they were reminded that his speech technically includes them as people who are not conforming to the central tenet of marriage then they would take notice but until then they will remain woefully ignorant.

    3. New Aussie 30 May 2012, 4:52am

      Presumable therefore, he approves wholeheartedly of the many gay families who have their own children already.

    4. …when he says that having children must be central to marriage

      And the fact that this comes from someone who’s chosen to conspicuously avoid both marriage and having children himself never seems strange to these people!

  4. Jock S. Trap 29 May 2012, 8:59pm

    Funny how they project themselves isn’t it?

    The only people that has/is damaging society is these religious extremist. The only reason being is because they are loosimh their controlling grip on the population.

    Again, Religious = Evil…
    Archbishop Vincent Nichols = Bigoted No Hoper with ever more desperately irrelevant arguments that just make them look more and more stupid!

  5. I think this would be a fair summary of the Archbishop’s argument…
    In other news vatican experts believe gay marriage will cause zombie uprisings, earthquakes, Skynet to become self aware and to enslave all humanity, and straight families everywhere to sacrifice their children to Satan…at least the ones they’re not eating.
    Oh and I almost forgot, the sun will go supernova too.
    So taking all that into account at least our wedding photos should be pretty damn spectacular.

  6. Starting to get really fed up with these totally baseless arguments against equal marriage… it’s like they really scrape the barrel for reasons to make it look as though it’s not just blind homophobia.

    If anyone hasn’t done so, please sign the coalition for equal marriage petition!

    The ‘other’ petition has almost 10x as many signatures, we have to let the government known how many people are behind equal marriage.

  7. @Flapjack your comment really made me laugh!

    1. Thanks, though just to be on the safe side probably best to bring a double barrel shotgun to the registry office to hold back the ensuing zombie apocalypse…

  8. Helen Wilson 29 May 2012, 9:04pm

    Well we have all seen the damage done to children when the catholic church gets hold of them! Given that freely available information of physical, emotional and sexual abuse of children within the catholic church Vincent Nichols can not hold himself up as an expert on children. Given the supposed celibacy within catholic clergy… whats best for marriage is far beyond the expertise of Vincent Nichols church.

  9. “.. having children must be central to the meaning of marriage.”

    Mick and Mairead Philpott obviously took Archbishop Vincent Nichols’ views seriously.

  10. So bringing people together in loving relationship will push people apart? riiiggghht..
    How does 2 men or women getting married prevent, discourage or otherwise hinder the reproductive activities of a heterosexual married couple? Please, tell me the mechanism for this because im fascinated.

    1. Shhhh, don’t tell the hetros we’re getting married… if they find out they’ll have to get divorced immediately – there’s only so much marriage to go round.

  11. They keep saying equal marriage will damage society but are
    completely unable to specify exactly how.

    1. Because that signifies their cult has lost more influence on society

  12. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 9:13pm

    How about Vincent Nichols addressing the problem of Paedophilia and the rape of little children, committed by his churches clerics all over the planet.
    We are still waiting for that apology, Nichols!!!

  13. Vincent Nichols is a bad person.

  14. In my view – what damages society is people like Archbishop Vincent Nichols and their deliberate choice to harm and demonise LGBT people.

    To lie and deceive, to politicise children, to manipulate and dehumanise. Thats the actions of Archbishop Nichols – and that damages society.

    Equal marriage brings a recognition of equality, a recognition of stable relationships, encourages humanity and stable family life.

    Whereas Archbishop Nichols approach to accountability of priests for their acts of child abuse – makes me believe his standard of morals is reprehensible and he has no lessons to teach society on what causes harm, given the acts of those priests whose “forgiveness” he espouses.

    In any event, same sex civil marriage is no business of Archbishop Nichols or the RC church.

  15. Equal marriage won’t damage society; these people just can’t get their head around the fact that two people of the same gender are might be every bit as capable of loving each other the same way that people of opposite genders might be, so they come up with pathetic unfounded claims to hide behind, rather than allow themselves to accept what they can’t (or rather, won’t) necessarily understand.

  16. Someone should let all the countries with equal marriage know that their societies are damaged according to this guy. See if we can’t get an internatinal incident on the go :D

  17. And yet he will never offer one single shred of proof.

    The Prop H8 lawyers in California have spent millions and 4 years trying to prove what he believes and keep coming up empty.

    Buit what does hurt society – facile belief in bloody sky pixies.

  18. vincent should go easy on mass wine

  19. Can a journalist please pursue Nichols to every engagement he goes to and demand the evidence to support the lies that he propogates and then report it in full on each and every occasion …

    1. “Fundamentalists aren’t interested in data, they are not influenced by truth, including scientific, psychological, psychiatric or historic truth. They are not influenced by a personal experience with truth. The Bible is more important. Verses are taken out of context to condemn…

      The War on Gays

      1. If they were held to account then the impact might be a) that they restricted their manipulation of the media because they know they will be expected to back up their rhetoric with fact and evidence and b) the scales of indoctrination could be lifted from the eyes of some of those who blindly follow due to seeing the logic of the challenge for evidence and the failure of Nichols and others to be able to respond to the need for evidence.

        Thats why I think a committed and robust journalist should actively pursue Nichols

  20. Who cares about the opinion of people who will be dead in 2 decades?

    1. If their present influence impacts my life in twenty years, I do.

      Dismissing individual windbags now doesn’t negate the harm they can cause. Better to expose them and discredit them.

    2. Ageist remark

    3. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 4:12pm

      Remarks like that makes You Lyon not better than the Cardinal.

      The rest of us don’t rise to it… It’s what makes us better people.

  21. Bill (Scotland) 29 May 2012, 9:40pm

    He contends that same-sex marriage will damage society, but he provides absolutely no evidence to back up his contention.

    Frankly I think far greater damage to society is caused by allowing the Catholic Church to exercise moral and physical influence over vulnerable youngsters.

    And why one should follow advice on the subject of marriage of a ‘cult’ which forbids its own paid lackeys (whether male or female) to marry is a mystery to me.

    Why does ‘society’ continue to accord this ‘cult’ a hearing any more important than it accords to the local village idiot?

  22. Yes…he is absolutely right. After all, the Netherlands and Belgium have really taken a turn for the worst…

    Bloody idiot.

  23. Mumbo Jumbo 29 May 2012, 9:50pm

    No. Raping children and covering it up damages society.

  24. “his belief that having children must be central to the meaning of marriage”

    So once the kids have grown up and left home then couples should divorce because their marriages will have become meaningless?

  25. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2012, 10:07pm

    Nichols needs to provide the documented evidence for his spurious statement. He should contact the governments of the 10 countries where equal marriage is legal and ask them to provide detailed reports to support his claim. Of course, he won’t be able to. He should be held accountable for spreading false information and pandering to fear. What he is doing is fuelling homophobia.

    Give the roman cult’s almost two millenia old tradition of misogyny, paedophilia, subjugation of native peoples in Latin America, the Inquisition in Spain, it is hardly in a position to pass moral judgement and is therefore morally bankrupt.

  26. The Grave Dangers of Equality.

    Once upon a time there used to be Spain and Portugal but then same sex marriage was introduced and now these countries no longer exist says Archbishop Nichols. That’s how damaging marriage equality is.(lol)

  27. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 10:21pm

    Massachusetts, probably the most influential State in the United States has seen a reversal in heterosexual divorces and an increase in hetero marriages, the sky fairy Nichols claims to have chats with hasn’t bothered to destroy Boston or Springfield and life goes on apace. But then Massachusetts is probably the most learned State in the Union and has seen the falsehood that is the Abrahamic cults and found them wanting ……

    1. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 11:02pm

      The above should read…….. hetero marriages, since it enacted Marriage Equality in 2004,

  28. Thankfully, reason and rationality is catching up with these people, in developed countries anyway. And they know it. Perhaps they think that some gay bashing will go down well with dwindling flocks?

  29. Since the purpose of marriage is children, can we assume that he refuses to marry couples where either partner is infertile through either medical condition or age?

    1. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 11:04pm

      The idiotic priest must love Elton and David with their family and all the other single sex couples all over the UK…….

      1. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 11:05pm

        …who are rearing children and doing a better job than the Heteros…..

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 12:46pm

      He was asked that very question by Jeremy Paxton during an interview on equal marriage. He said he would be prepared to marry an infertile couple using the sexual compatibility mantra (penis/vagina) nonsense because it was ordained by god that a man and a woman should come together, excuse the pun. I suppose they base that on the older woman in the bible who was barren and who by some miracle conceived a child. Of cxourse, we all know women beyond menstruation can’t have children. Paxton however didn’t go far enough although it was obvious Nichols was a little uncomfortable while being questioned. Believe me, these religious nutters will always come up with an absurd response.

  30. Errol Semple 29 May 2012, 10:40pm

    Most Reverend = Most Bigoted.

  31. When equal marriage becomes law (and it will) I wonder if all these disparate religions will still be as paly with each other, or go back to hating each others guts at every importunity thus returning everything to the natural status quo.

  32. johnny33308 30 May 2012, 12:03am

    It is shameful that self-identified “Religious” people who CLAIM to be Christians can stand before us and proudly profess an evil bigotry toward those they do not even know. This is nothing at all LIKE JESUS WOULD DO! I was under the impression Christians were people who followed Jesus, yet these sorts do not follow Jesus at all, in fact disobeying Him in every way! So much for Christianity being benign! Brain dead zombies they all seem to be….and not the nice sort who only want to eat your brain…LOL! And let us not even mention their pervasive historical ‘culture’ of raping children in their care……sure, they have the moral high ground here, and authority to speak for their god….why would any intelligent person ever listen to them?.

  33. Equal marriage will not damage society, it will BENEFIT society. It will allow people to marry the person they love of the same gender. It will lead to full equality for homosexuals and bisexuals. Same sex relationships are as valid as heterosexual ones.

    Christianity does not own marriage in countries with freedom of religion.

    Marriage is about love. It’s NOT about children. Not every couple has children, homosexual or heterosexual couples. I for one am never having children. There is also no evidence homosexual couples can’t raise children as well as heterosexuals, and in fact, there’s evidence lesbians raise children better. You can also have children without marriage.

  34. It’s so sad that people have to be brainwashed by religion. Without religion, there’s no reason to be heterosexist.

    1. It’s so sad that people have to be brainwashed by religion. Without religion, there’s no reason to be transphobic.


      1. When I was a Christian, I never heard about transgenderism in the church. My views on transgenderism have nothing to do with religion. Also I have many good reasons to be ‘transphobic’. Transgenderism is a mental illness that should be treated, not enabled.

        1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:32pm

          So sad. You expect respect, tolerance and the right not to be discriminated against yet happily and openly disrespect, become intolerant and discriminate against others who suffer just as much prejudice. You should know better.

          It makes you a very ugly person.

          1. There’s nothing wrong with homosexuality but transgenderism is very wrong. It’s a mental illness that needs to be treated, not enabled. Nothing you do can change you from female to male or male to female. I expect respect, tolerance, and the right not to be discriminated against because there’s nothing wrong with being attracted to the same sex, which is about love, while there is something very wrong with being confused about your sex, which is about hating, mutilating your body to line up with a mental disorder, and lying about your sex

  35. I thought Henry VIII got rid of the catholics? Why did you guys let them back in?

    1. Spanner1960 30 May 2012, 8:48am

      He just replaced them with Anglican nutcases instead.

      1. He did get rid of most of them. But you see it’s their predatory nature, whereby they try to ‘convert’ children to their perverted practices. They target the vulnerable and brainwash them into believing they’re ‘catholic’ when we all know this is against nature. We must stop them before they take over the world…..oh yeah, they already have..

      2. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:34pm

        Yeah, they used to kill and torture others for being in the wrong religion.

        No they can’t get away with that in this country so they persecute us instead.

  36. Toeing the Bertone homophobic line.

    The lovely gentle Cardinal Hume is sadly missed.

  37. Sister Mary Clarence 30 May 2012, 1:50am

    Actually mate I think you’ll find that priests sticking their bits inside young boys does far more harm to society and if you really want to do some good in this world you would do well to direct the focus of your attention to stopping the perverts in your midst who treat bugger a choir boy like its bob-a-job

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 3:09pm

      What these disingenuous idiots conveniently and deliberately omit is that some of their clergy also molested girls. The reason why it appeared to be perceived as a gay issue is that their clergy apparently have had and continue to have more access to boys as was evidenced in the John Jay report on behalf of the Vatican. It determined that the incidences of molestation against boys was not necessarily related to homosexuality.

      Immediately after the scandal broke out, the Vatican iironically issued an order for the hierarchy to ‘weed’ out ‘homosexuals’ or those perceived to be gay from entering the seminaries.and who were and are subjected to an psychological evaluation to determine suitability for the priesthood, but there was no criterion to subject heterosexual seminarians to the same scrutiny or their potential to molest girls. Quite revealing.

    2. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:36pm

      Indeed but by them focusing on us so much they don’t have to clean their own back yard… hoping all will forget.

  38. What about all of the damage to all of the children the Catholic priest have done by raping and abusing children for years now.

  39. “…the Most Reverend…”

    Why do you perpetuate these self-aggrandizing titles? Is Nichols any more reverend than you or I? or is he just more self-righteous?

    Do you refer to the Prime Minister as “The Right Honourable…”?

    If not, then stop giving this special status to the Catholic Church’s hierarchy.

    1. The only times I have seen the PM (or others) referred to as right honourable etc is either at official events, in parliament or in written statements/letters …

      I have mixed feelings on the archaic nature of some of the titles – although I do like their sense of history and respect (and we are not the only nation to have them!)

      I don’t see any reason for Most Rev or Rt Rev etc etc. Rev will suffice, purely as an indicator that they might be able to spout a load of vile rhetorical bile (a kind of warning factor if they are not wearing a dress and a piece of fairy liquid bottle round their collar). That said, I do acknowledge not all priests, vicars, or religious leaders are offensive and bigoted in their comments!

  40. Firstly, there is absolutely nothing that is ‘most reverend’ (Latin – revereri- to be respected) about him.

    Secondly, why are all these men who live their lives with no family and sexual experience dispensing moral advice on family and sexual issues to the rest of us? Why are these big mouths with no added value to society speaking on issues they can’t comprehend?

  41. Why is this man who has no family of his own, not married and is supposed to have no sexual contact telling the rest of us how to live our lives and dispensing moral advice on social and sexual issues? Why do we even tolerate big mouths like this who have no real knowledge of the issues at hand and spew rubbish!

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:37pm

      Because sadly, it’s all they know… hate! Then they call themselves better people. Misguided I think is the word.

  42. Christopher 30 May 2012, 3:48am

    I always think of what Carl Sagan wrote for his character of Eleanor to say in the novel CONTACT: “I agree with the celibacy of the clergy because it stifles a genetic propensity for fanaticism” or words to that effect!

  43. and yet those countries that allow ssm are doing fine thank you very much

  44. Errol Semple 30 May 2012, 4:00am

    No more than the Catholic church has damaged society.
    Hate, hate and more hate.

  45. This the mentality that has been passed down through the centuries.

    That you cannot have marriage without damn kids.

    Wrong. There a lot of married couples (straight) who do not want kids.

    It is a choice. It is not for everybody. Kids should not be used as scape goats by morons like this.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:39pm

      I agree. One way or another they abuse children.

  46. jamestoronto 30 May 2012, 5:51am

    After seven years, Canadian society has been as much damaged by equal marriage as it has has by the price of popcorn at the cinema. How much more garbage are these idiots going to espouse?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 2:57pm

      james, was there as much hateful vitriole in Canada by the roman cult as there is in the UK when equal marriage was about to be introduced? Would be interesting to know.

      1. jamestoronto 31 May 2012, 2:59am

        There was, of course, some vocal opposition primarily from the Roman Catholic and to a lesser degree the Anglican churches as well as some of the smaller evangelical ones. But the levels one is reading about in the UK was never reached here. By the time equal marriage reached the stage for federal legislation, the provincial courts had done most of the work by declaring the federal statute unconstitutional. The vast majority of Canadians were living in jurisdictions with equal marriage and could witness that nothing catastrophic had come about. For them to use the ludicrous arguments that British clergymen are currently using would have been laughed at by most Canadians. It also helps that we have developed a strong secular society and now have a definite tradition of church-state separation for the most part.

    2. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:40pm

      Oh they’ll keep trying. It’s because they don’t have control over society like they used to. It’s always a desperate attempt but they’ll keep on trying!

  47. jamestoronto 30 May 2012, 5:56am

    Don’t forget the Vatican is embroiled in yet another MAJOR scandal right up to the Pope’s staff. It’s called diversionary tactics. Urgent memo from the Vatican – Have the masses think about something other than the fact we are robbing them blind and raping their children.

  48. If ‘God’ does exist (even if merely as a heartless voyeur to our world’s pains) then he created me, yes? I’m gay, made this way by ‘God’. Why would he create me unequal, is this ‘God’s’ way? Inequality? A ‘God’ that creates people who are not equal, and religion that proclaims love and compassion representing itself as pro-inequality, what a shocker! Archaic, outdated, heartless. Clearly ‘straight’ infertile couples should not be allowed to get marry, neither should ‘straight’ couples older than child bearing age. Born and raised a Catholic, the Catholic church sickens me and I do hope each and every member of the clergy, or strict adherent to the faith are held to defend themeselves on their ‘judgement’ day…

  49. Religion damages society, that’s fairly obvious to anyone with a brain. The good is simply trying to hold on to his fading power over the masses by fear and superstition.

    Now they’re all beginning to sound like parrots repeating the same tired old mantra.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:45pm

      Indeed. You have to wonder what they’ll come out with next!

  50. Oh yes that’s right, equality = damage to society. WHAT AN EVIL TWAT!!!

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:46pm

      Yep, even a child could work out that equality is best for society… right up to when they get brainwashed by religious fruitloops.

  51. Peter & Michael 30 May 2012, 7:49am

    What about our children? We are just as capable, if not better, in understanding our children as they grow up. We take interest in our children and ensure that they are nurtured, loved and understood. We might say that LGBT people are more adapt to raising children as they see life in a better perspective than most hetrosexuals. This man speaks rubbish !

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:49pm

      Indeed. My son has certainly grown up into a well rounded, fair human being. At 20 he has always been allowed to research with discrimination and decided to study to become a human rights lawyer.

      Religion helped guide him though…. by their hate, bigotry and discrimination.

  52. Lunatic, and the damage they have done (child rape etc.) remains undercover??
    Don´t listen to these so called Christian leaders!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Spanner1960 30 May 2012, 8:46am

    Hello? Reality check please.
    LGBT people are also members of society.

    Society is not some concept that is cast in stone, otherwise we would still be in the dark ages burning witches and using horses to pull ploughs. It is a fluid and ever-changing scenario that people need to learn to adapt to, and not continually rely on some dusty old 2000 year old book.

  54. I only read the first few paragraphs of this story before getting very annoyed!

    I, and many others have said before and we will continue to say, that having children is not central to the meaning of marriage. The love that two people have is central in any marriage, the procreation of children is a by product of that love.

    They keep spouting on about marriage is only for having children yet none of these idiots mention anything about those marriages where having children is not possible of a personal choice.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 2:54pm

      They really don’t care about the infertile or those who choose not to procreate just as long as there’s a penis and vagina in the relationship, that’s what counts. Their obsession with the hetero sexl act is quite revealing.

    2. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:51pm

      Thye want to focus parenting choices. By focusing so much on us they hope their own inflicted abuse will be forgotten.

  55. If you don’t play the game – you can’t make the rules Vincent…

  56. I’ve had personal experience of Vincent Nichols and at heart he is a good man, but on the issue of same-sex relationships he is wrong (and unfortunately bound by the collegiate position of the catholic curia). To be fair, we shouldn’t read his comments completely in relation to same-sex couples – it’s just as likely that he is referring in parts to heterosexual unmarried couples (but I accept again this is a misplaced and harmful view of relationships). Indeed if marriage is so important one wonders why Nichols himself or Pope Benedict aren’t marrried? And why the Catholic church stops those priests who want to from being married and remaining priests? The truth is that in catholic teaching marriage actually sits very low – celibacy is always better. Marriage is taught to be important only in so far as it is the only place people should have sex – if they absolutely need to. The whole thing needs a good clean-up – it’s out of date and harmful thinking.

    1. I’m not so sure anyone who comes out with this stuff can be good at heart, unless you think Nick Griffin is good too!

    2. If celibacy is always better within the catholic teaching then surely their argument about procreation is wrong and that ideally everyone should be celibate or am I missing the point?

    3. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:52pm

      But this isn’t about unmarried heterosexual couple, this is about allowing two people of the same sex to be able to choose marriage… they are completely in relaition to same sex couple and discriminating.

  57. If you want to look at a damaged society just look at Italy, arguably the most politically influenced Catholic country in the world.

    Italy has:

    Staggering levels of corruption and general dishonesty.
    Rampant levels of organised crime.
    A very poor level of gender equality.
    An alarming level of lack of press freedom.
    Economic mismanagement.
    High levels of homophobia and violence towards GLBT people.

    This is all after 2000 years of moral guidance from the catholic Church.

    These popes and priests are utter failures. They have now reached the stage of being totally ridiculous as have the people that continue to believe in them.

  58. Think of any fairytale you’ve ever read. Did it end with “and they lived happily ever after, making sure to have at least one child to ensure the validity of their marriage”? No! Our cultural understanding of marriage, as seen in our folklore, is of two people who love each other coming together and spending their lives together. Whatever else happens is a bonus.

  59. Why you fail to heed my words at your peril –
    1 – I have grey hair and give an impression of knowing the world.
    2 – I wear long flowing robes suggestive of ancient power and authority, and sometimes a tall hat too.
    3 – I stand in an elevated position in a big echoing space and adopt a sonorous, portentous voice.
    4 – I warn against the unthinkably terrible consequences of doing what I fear and condemn.
    5 – I am careful never to say exactly what these consequences are or what evidence there could be for them; nothing must interfere with naturally fevered imaginations.
    6 – If I or the institution from which I derive my power and status have been found to do things infinitely more terrible in their implications than what I want to warn against, I will, depending on my audience, present them as exagerated local difficulties; as regrettable distractions from the Greater Truth I embody; ignore them completely.
    It’s all a great wheeze. Millions of suckers have bought it for centuries, and plen

  60. …plenty still do.

  61. Clive Evans 30 May 2012, 10:28am

    I’m sure it is part of a greater Catholic plan – less equality = more vulnerability = more kids they can prey on. The Catholic Church has lost any moral ground years ago and should be cast into any local sin bin for life.

    I always wonder is giving this kind of vile creatures any media space providing any usefulness or just perpetuating the myth that we are an unequal society

  62. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 12:50pm

    Why would any sane, intelligent person, especially a catholic, heed the pronouncements of a man whom I assume has never had a sexual relationship, knows nothing about human sexuality but who considers himself a legitimate authority on human relations given its long history of misogyny?

  63. Carry On Cardinal ! 30 May 2012, 12:59pm

    I have always thought Vincent to be a very nice man. I’m sure he is. Which is why I suspect he is just following the party line probably set by the homophobic no. 2 at the Vatican, who even the Pope is said to be afraid to cross.

    This is a regime which is even persecuting nuns who focus on poverty and deprivation rather than voicing up against equal marriage.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 1:50pm

      Blimey, who would have thought the Daily Mail would have agreed to print a positve article! Well done, Dr. Lefever.

      1. The comments section will probably get disabled promptly before it explodes with the rage being posted to it

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 2:50pm

          I’ve no doubt about that, Kris. Thanks for bringing the article to our attention. I never read the Mail, very bad for my aura.

          1. It’s good for the self esteem. All you have to do is look at the comments section of stories and think how lucky you are you don’t live your life the way they do :D

    2. Darth Dacre 30 May 2012, 3:45pm

      They are just trying to keep the complaints to Leveson down. Expect a return to the usual hatred when the Inquiry is over.

    3. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:58pm

      “Children tend to be very accepting of each other. Prejudice is more commonly an adult trait.”

      And how true is that!!! Very often children will be very accepting… it’s the parents at the school gates that cause the problems and start the prejudice.

  64. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2012, 1:46pm

    Once equal marriage passes into law, five years hence, Nichols should be revisited on his statement and challenged to provide the factual evidence in support of his spuriously absurd notion. Hold him accountable and demand why nothing of what he has said has come to fruition. The same applies to hate groups such as the Christian Institute and its C4M signatories.

    Such ridiculous statements are actually playing into the success of equal marriage. The man is insane.

  65. Another Hannah 30 May 2012, 2:10pm

    The Roman Catholic church is again in the news for a senior member having abducted, murdered and buried a sixteen year old girl within the grounds. Pope notably on Sunday would not say prayers for her, but instead, ignoring her supporters, for an archery club. Also a gangster being buried in ground designated for saints, who was tied to the girls murder and the Vatican bank. The works of people like Paddy Doyle on Roman Catholicism are quite stunning (and his website), but it is chilling to wonder about what is still going on in countries like Brazil. I just wish that there was a dedicated charity to monitor them, and help their victims.

    1. …and Africa. It doesn’t bear thinking about.

  66. HOW??? They keep saying this ‘damage society’ nonsense and that we’ll all be driven apart but they never say HOW, and exactly how that’s related to us. Gets on my nerves. How does me getting married have any effect on him?

  67. Catholics are predatory and try to corrupt children. Their predatory nature comples them to try to ‘convert’ children to their perverted practices. They target the vulnerable and brainwash them into believing they’re ‘catholic’ when we all know this is against nature. We must stop them before they take over the world…..oh yeah, they already have..

  68. john sharp 30 May 2012, 3:05pm

    religions are the biggest damage to mankind , brain dead religious freacks are all over .take care of your own religious asses , do not go looking up my ass . religions are an insulte to human intellegence. religion si APARTEID

  69. Carry on Cardinal ! 30 May 2012, 3:19pm

    I say bring back criminal defamation for people who lie and mislead about minorities like gay people.

  70. José Merentes C. 30 May 2012, 3:30pm

    But not by chance he does not explain how actually that could happen.

  71. Craig Dunain 30 May 2012, 5:38pm

    A threat to society? Does he mean any more, or any less than priests who bugger choirboys or children in their care, and a religious cult who to the very core of it’s structure colludes to become the biggest concealer of paedophiles in the world? Funny how these self appointed guisers have moral views on certain sections of society, but never their own!

  72. why do you all keep falling for these church idiots….we are all here for a short time on this planet….if ur religious and enjoy it …get on with it….ignore all the pervy priests….enjoy ur god….and lets see what happens after death…no one came back yet to say who is right or wrong….oh…GOD BLESS…lol

  73. I’ve got a solution to all of this nonsense – repeal the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829

    1. We can’t respond to illiberalism with illiberalism. I would just like the media to call these clowns out on their mad pronouncements a lot more often. On both sides of the pond, they get treated with kid-gloves all the time. Journalists are both scared of offending religion and pretty ignorant about it.

  74. And I suppose it doesn’t harm society when idiotic hetero priests bugger little children…

  75. yeah sure. if gay families get equal rights under the law, straight people will be so confused they’ll forget how babies are made and will start mating with trees and overstuffed sofas. mothers will abandon their children and feed ducks and squirrels. men will forget their wives and will mistake their peepees for swizzle sticks and use them to stir their cocktails.

    and bankers will be honest and the local priests will stop following his acolytes into the bathroom.

  76. Helge Vladimir Tiller 11 Feb 2013, 10:03pm

    Yet another bloody “nazi”- If you dare to visit Scandinavia, I will have my “whip” ready. Excuse me—my verbal whip, of course.

  77. Maybe the good archbishop should check out the history of marriage; during the dark and middle ages, marriage was a business, and the church had a strong grip on it.
    In fact if you read the gospel’s, Jesus was NOT in favour of marriage.

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