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  1. Right. Except Islam is a younger faith than christianity (same god after all) and given that we can prove that marriage pre-dates christianity, it is just another sick joke that they try to usurp any kind of possession over the concept.

    If you don’t like same sex marriage, don’t have none. But get your fictitious cr@p off my life.

    Oh, and given what I could say about christianity and the RCC, does the Muslim Council REALLY want to go there…..

    1. Typo “don’t have one”… good grief these theocratic tyrannical would-be oppressors really push my temper so hard that my hands shake when I type.

      1. GulliverUK 28 May 2012, 6:37pm

        mine too. I don’t know why but I’m SEETHING today! LOL.

        I don’t think Muslims with mention the old “same-sex marriage would lead to polygamy” thingy tho.

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/791263.stm
        Muslims in Britain are to challenge UK law which forbids husbands from having more than one wife.
        (from 2000)

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 6:35pm

      What a lot of people are unaware of is that Islam’s founder, Mohammed, was a polygamist and one of his wives a 9 year old girl whose name was Aisha. So that means he was also a paedophile.

      1. Staircase2 29 May 2012, 3:14pm

        I don’t see how that counters their argument in any way – all it does is trot out EDL-esque Islamophobic bollocks…

        1. It means that their attempts to assert insight over marriage as a concept is preposterous hogwash since their holy figure married a CHILD.

          And no, it isn’t Islamophobia to cite what is in their own holy text of choice. It is an obscenity to assume that said text is immune from criticism

        2. And let’s make it clear.

          If the marriage to a CHILD can be dismissed as a historical anachronism, then why not treat they gay-hating drivel as equally anachronistic and irrelevant.

          It is the arch putrid hypocrisy of adherents to all the Abrahamic faiths to somehow manage to say which are the bits in their stupid fairy tales can be ignored and which are the immutable words of their god fiction.

          How bloody convenient for them, what a shame it hurts us.

    3. It is fairly common for these people to claim that marriage “comes from God”, even though it has been practiced by non-Abrahamic religions since long before even Judaism ever existed. At the same time, the forms have changed many times. Ancient Jewish and early Christian marriages were contractual, not sacramental (some early Christian clergy flat-out refused to perform marriages because they were “worldly”). Likewise, Islam also practices contractual marriage. Consent of the bride’s family is more important than consent of the bride (and even the groom in some cases). The marriages can also be quickly dissolved, at least in religious terms (they would still have to file for divorce if they were married under common law). In some Muslim cultures marriages can be dissolved at will, others require a ruling from a Sharia court. This is, of course, before we get into discussion of things like polygamy and the marriage of child brides.

  2. If their intention was not to be homophobic, they have failed.

    1. “I’m not homophobic, but..”, “I’m not racist, but…”, etc.

      1. Exactly, David.

        In this case “I’m not homophobic, but I will use the discredited slippery slope argument”, “I’m not homophobic but I will use language that suggests gay people are dangerous to children”, “I’m not homophobic but I will seek to deny equality to gay people”, “I’m not homophobic but I will tell lies to ensure that gay people are demonised” etc etc

        They should read this response to the myths they are seeking to perpetuate about homosexuality:
        http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 6:35pm

      The next rant will be that they have gay friends so they can’t be homophobic, lol. Obviously they have no idea of the meaning of bigotry.

    3. It’s just to remind us all that Islam is just as bat sh*t insane as the other Abrahamic religions.

    4. Wasn’t there a study some years ago that revealed that 100% (…) of British Muslims consider homosexuality to be “morally wrong”?

      Of the seven countries that impose the death penalty for homosexuality, all are Muslim. Even when gays do not face execution, persecution is endemic. In 2010 a Saudi man was sentenced to 500 lashes (…) and five years in jail for having sex with another man.

      They didn’t “intend” to be homophobic? There is no intention needed, it’s just the way they are.

      1. There was also a poll showing widespread Muslim support for LGBT rights:

        http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2011/06/27/surprise-poll-shows-widespread-muslim-support

        Which makes this statement by the MCB deplorable

    5. When did two people who love each other and want to get married to have the same rights as others who get married become an attack?
      Somebody is confused, marriage is for love not for hate.

    6. They entirely intended to be homophobic; and they have succeeded.

  3. The expected result really. We know that Islam is homophobic and misogynistic. We know Catholicism is homophobic and misogynistic. If a body representing either of these religions said something that supported human rights, rather than oppressing them – THAT would be news.

  4. clearly they have not read the marriage act which states that No religious figure is forced to marry anyone. :rollseyes:

    1. The “Islamic view of marriage” includes husbands being authorised to beat their wives.

      1. Not to mention having more than one if they like and the requirement that their wives cover up (well thats not technically because of marriage, but only the husband can see them without the curtains on). Why anyone lets such an oppressive and backward faith make an impact on their thinking of an issue is beyond me. Their prophet scooted up to heaven on a winged horse… maybe one day he will come back and take the homophobia down to hell on a skydiving penguin or something.

  5. The Islamic view of marriage includes husbands beating their wives and total and utter subservience of all female children. It is also completely homophobic.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:18pm

      Yes and in those lands it is also fact it is often the woman who will be punished for being raped. Think that says it all about that kind of society.

      1. Yes, I watched a programme, on the BBC, that islamic men consider men to be like gold, you can drop it in the mud and wash it, but a woman is like silk once it has been dropped in the mud it is worthless and should be thrown away.

  6. That There Other David 28 May 2012, 6:04pm

    The only phrase that comes to mind when reading this is…

    “Some people are gay. Get over it.”

  7. From a religion whose nations will sentence women to death for being raped, all I can say is that I’m not interested in their opinion in the slightest….

  8. Rudehamster 28 May 2012, 6:06pm

    It’s a pretty piss-poor argument from a religious sect that, throughout the Countries they dominate, see women as second class citizens and the female children less important than the male.

    I’ll start listening to the MCGB when they start condemning, without exception, terrorism in the name of their Prophet and God.

  9. OK. I’m sure I’ll be accused of being horribly mean and unfair by using their own dogma against them but…

    …it is suggested that Muhammed married Aisha when she was six years old. So how about we DON’T listen to a bloody word they have to say on marriage?!

    1. Mumbo Jumbo 28 May 2012, 6:46pm

      And the marriage was consummated when she was only nine. Actually, someone should tell Edward Leigh…….

  10. This comes from leaders of a religion which accepts “temporary marriage”:

    Nikah mut‘ah has a preset time period to the marriage which is stated during the initiation of the contract. Traditionally the couple do not inherit from each other. The man usually is not responsible for the economic welfare of the woman and she usually may leave her home at her own discretion. For these reasons some Muslims frequently compare this type of marriage to adultery or prostitution. Nikah mut‘ah also does not count toward a maximum of wives (four according to the Qur’an). However, similar to normal marriages that are common among Sunnis and Shi’ias, the woman still is given her mahr,and the woman must still observe the iddah, a period of time (exact time is debated but is between 2 and 4.5 months) where the woman cannot remarry. This is to ensure that there is no pregnancy from the ex-husband.

    So, two committed and loving men can not marry each other. However, a man can have up to 4 permanent

    1. wives and who knows how many “temporary” ones.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 6:38pm

      Correct and under British civil law, a muslim having four wives is polygamous. So that actually debunks the myth that equal marriage will bring it on. I wonder how the anti equal marriage haters feel about that and it’s interesting they are not even addressing it.

  11. Another form of inequality in Muslim marriage is that Muslim men are allowed to practise polygyny, that is, they can have more than one wife at the same time, up to a total of four, per Sura 4 Verse 3. Polyandry, the practice of a woman having more than one husband, by contrast, is not permitted. One of the main reasons for this would be the potential questioning of paternal lineage.

    So women are not held to have the same value or rights and gay people have no rights.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 6:40pm

      It’s a good point to raise to counter the naysayers of equal marriage. The Christian Institute and its C4M hatemongers wouldn’t dare raise the issue because of backlash from Islamists, but I dare them to or maybe we should make the case for them? Make very loud noise ot force them to say something.

  12. My marriage lasted a year my parents cohabited for 16 which one undermined marriage d’you think?

  13. ‘The website claims where there will be a “slippery slope to many more serious consequences for all religious communities, including the Muslim community” if gays are allowed to marry.’

    Well, yes, exactly! Because when marriage equality becomes law, same-sex relationships become “normalised” in the eyes of the rest of the population, religious organisations know full well that their days as open hate organisations are numbered! No longer will they then be able to claim that we, as a group, do not deserve the same protection from hate as, say, ethnic or religious minorities enjoy at the moment.

    Gay marriage is a game-changer. It will change all the rules. They all know that!

    1. True.

      When marriage equality passes, the sky will not fall, the oceans will not boil, nothing will actually happen and people will just get one more clear message that all that sky pixie garbage is just that – garbage.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 6:45pm

        Holland has had equal marriage for 11 years. I challenge the hatemongers to provide the factual evidence for all of those spurious claims they’ve made.

      2. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 May 2012, 6:48pm

        “When marriage equality passes, the sky will not fall, the oceans will not boil,”

        Oh yes it will.

        For the bigots. Who will lose what they see as their god given right to bully and intimidate us, whichever fictitious deity that is off course.

        This is why they fight so viscously.

        A cornered animal is always the most dangerous.

      3. Robert & Robin – these people believe they have a mandate that transcends earthly laws. Logical and fact based arguments don’t work : you can’t expect rationality from someone whose responses rely on quotes from a work of fiction, theatrical rhetoric and whose ultimate justification is “my invisible friend told me so”.

        A change in law won’t lead most of these loonies to any epiphanies, I’m afraid. What we can realistically hope for is a younger generation with less barbaric views influencing faith communities, but this is likely to take decades.

        I agree with Valksy that this is “one more clear message” – a battle win on the route to stamping out homophobia perhaps, but certainly not the war.

  14. This is the same organisation which described the 9/11 attacks as ‘unfortunate’.
    Backward, hate filled, homophobic, vicious people. We are expected to accept Islam yet this organisation would, in my opinion, have all LGBT people exterminated.

    1. Keith Ward 29 May 2012, 6:17pm

      This is true, there are two types of muslim, the so called radical muslim that would kill all gays on sight and there is the so called moderate muslim who wouldn’t kill gays himself but wouldn’t lift a finger to stop his radical mate from doing it

  15. No surprise there. I’d best leave it at that. So much I would like to say about some aspects of “traditional marriage”.

    Probably more prudent to carry on admiring the Emperor’s new clothes, for now.

  16. In April 2007, the MCB formally declared its support for the Equality Act, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. It was commended for this move by some, for example Brian Whitaker, who said: “the Muslim Council of Britain has begun to move towards accepting homosexuality”

    I am struggling to see how the actions of the MCB coincide with a movement towards accepting homosexuality – any ideas?

    1. It’s sometimes referred to as pandering.

      1. Or back-peddling.

    2. Muslims are interested in gaining “equality” for muslims so that they can continue to strive for muslim supremacism. Since the “socialist” Labour Party was kicked out in the last election, their policy of pumping hundreds of £millions to muslim organisations was shelved. The MCB represents hundreds of muslim groups who must have felt their coffers dwindle under the coalition. Islam is a form of apartheid, and should be outlawed.

  17. The real “slippery slope” will start at the point that the government appeases would be theocrats.

    You don’t need to be a political scientist to see that.

    1. But the Government already has theocrats in its midst. My M.P., Karl McCartney (Con. Lincoln) has said that equal marriage goes against his religion (claims to be Christian) even after publicly saying at the hustings, before the last general election, that LGBT rights were safe in Tory hands.

  18. Stupidity + paranoia = religion

    A simple, but timeless formula.

    Why do they think anyone’s interested?

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 May 2012, 6:56pm

      Unfortunately we live in a time where some ARE interested.

      That is the problem.

      1. Yes. Maybe they should get a life? Or get more sex. I find those who are “getting some” are not too overly concerned with the relationships of others….

    2. How I’d love to see your formula displayed on the side of all our buses.

      1. LOL!

        I designed it for ease of sky writing :)

  19. So their views are not an attack on the civil rights of LGBT people to get married? Well, suppose someone asked to ban weddings in mosques as an assault on the only true religion, Judiasm? Does anyone wonder if they’d squeal like stuck pigs if someone turned the tables on them?

  20. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 6:43pm

    Two foreign imports, Islam and Catholicism both believing they have a legitimate claim to interfere in the civil politics of the UK. A pity that treason and sedition are not applicable to religion.

    1. Indeed, Robert. ironic that Islam has an issue with gay couples when they base their entire religious on the words of Mohammed who was by all accounts a paedophile?

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 May 2012, 8:03pm

        Absolutely, Will!

    2. Staircase2 29 May 2012, 3:17pm

      What you mean that Catholicism is a ‘foreign import’…?

      Of course its bloody well not – you do know that England and the UK was originally Catholic right?

  21. Hey everyone the Bullying misogynists who treat their marriages like legalised slavery are now trying to defend the sanctity of this contract.

    Evolve you religious thugs – I seem to remember that a certain prophet had an under age wife –

    People in glass temples shouldn’t throw stones!

  22. “Can we contemplate a future in which further calls from the gay lobby will prompt the government to force imams, priests, rabbis and other religious leaders to marry gay people or face prosecution for refusing to do so?”

    It warns that schools will have legal justification for “celebrating” marriage equality and “taking steps to normalise it in children’s minds”.

    The “gay lobby” may also ask the government to “force teachers to teach that same sex marriage is equivalent to a genuine marriage”, it adds.

    At last, they get it! Yes, that’s EXACTLY what we’re aiming for. Because it’d be a bloody good thing if that were so.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 May 2012, 7:24pm

      Again.

      Plug in the words “Interracial Marriage” with the words ” Same Sex Marriage”
      to the above comment and you can see the absurdity of there claims.

      1. not really the best example for the UK since interracial marriage has never been illegal in the UK lol but your point is very true

  23. GingerlyColors 28 May 2012, 6:55pm

    Why is it that Muslims just want to be hated? It is not just us gays that are getting p**sed off with them but a lot of other people as well, including blacks, Asians and followers of other religions. It is not just in Britain that it is happening but across Europe. Just take the recent minaret referendum in Switzerland or the veil ban in France for example. I hate to say this but I hate to be around when it finally does hit the fan and the trouble is that the enemies of Islam are not necessarily friends of Gays and Lesbians – the BNP is just as homophobic as the Muslim Council of Britain.
    And what are they on about anyway? Civil Partnerships aren’t even full-blown marriages. When we do achieve marriage equality we are not forcing anybody to marry someone of the same sex in the same way that they want us to marry people of the opposite sex, have 2.4 children and play happy families.

  24. It also shows how absolutely pathetic the arguments of these people are that they are supported by an organisation the sole purpose of which is… standing up for the rights of PEOPLE WHO DON’T EXIST!

    They might as well cite the Campaign for Hobbit Equality or the Imaginary Friend Anti-Defamation League. Or possibly the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Cancerous Tumours, since an aborted blastocyst is no more a person than a malignant carcinoma.

    If the only people this harms are people who don’t exist (allah foremost among them) then there really is no valid case against it!

  25. Based on their penchant for arranging marriages with child brides and/or unwilling brides, I really think that the focus should be on *their* definition of marriage!

  26. Dear Muslim Council of Britain

    Unfortunately, you cannot see the gesture I’m making. You are invited, even so, to swivel on it.

    Yours

    Sasha

  27. “Can we contemplate a future in which further calls from the gay lobby will prompt the government to force imams, priests, rabbis and other religious leaders to marry gay people or face prosecution for refusing to do so?”

    Err, this is obviously a load of nonsense. Try changing it to see how ridiculous it is;

    “Can we contemplate a future in which further calls from the divorcee lobby will prompt the government to force imams, priests, rabbis and other religious leaders to marry divorced people or face prosecution for refusing to do so?”

    1. This same lie is invoked regularly in the marriage equality debate in America. Technically, the Catholic Church not only refuses to perform marriages for Catholics who have gotten legally divorced and seek to remarry, they also tend to refuse to perform church weddings for couples where one or both participants are not confirmed Catholics. Two of my cousins had to have secular weddings because they married women who were not Catholic (a Jew and a Muslim respectively) and another’s wife had to convert (from Protestantism) in order to have a church wedding with him. The Church has yet to be successfully sued by anybody for these restrictions they impose on performing these wedding ceremonies, even though the heterosexual couples in question were legally entitled to marry under the common law. That clergy will be subject to criminal or civil charges is just a bald-faced lie told to clueless followers who are then horrified that their priest/minister/rabbi/imam will “get arrested”.

  28. If by ‘attack traditional marriage’ they mean make it equal for everyone, then I’d say yes, that was our plan all along.

    1. There was a plan? First I’ve heard of it.

  29. Muslim Council of Britain, exactly nobody cares what you say. If we could do a British referento on immigration,
    His people would be prevented from stepping on the soil britâncio.

  30. Erm.. surely Ben Bradshaw, a member of the Government who introduced them, has shown many in Labour felt these were all that was needed. Muslim Council of Britain having a real history fail there.

  31. Loving gay couples ‘devalue straights marriages’? I would have thought honour killings, domestic violence and adultery are more likely causes, which the MCB should be looking at, if it is serious about protecting marriage.

    1. Their reasoning is so stupid, it makes you want to draw a cartoon about it.

      1. Just make sure the paedophile prophet isn’t in the cartoon or the “religion of peace” will show its true colours

    2. Yeah, but as long as all of those are done by men, they are considered to be “traditional”.

  32. Wub Folfsky 28 May 2012, 8:00pm

    To put it simply:

    I do not believe in Islam, therefore I am not bound by it’s rules.

    I do not believe in Christianity, therefore I am not bound by it’s rules.

    I am an Atheist, I make up my mind based on fact and compassion for my fellow human beings.

    1. No apostrophe required, but otherwise, I agree xxx.

  33. In a video on the site, Mr Murad says children “born and unborn” are “safer in marriages which are between a man and a woman”.

    So in other words they are saying that marriage equality will lead to more abortions. Wow… but they are totally not “intending” to be homophobic. They just are.

  34. I must admit I found it really difficult to find any logic in their replies, it was really hard to get the point of the replies…I’m sure they were trying to be nasty but I just couldn’t get the punch line most of the time..

    Those last 2 paras in the article sounded really potty…

    I don’t think anybody is going to take any notice of them…

  35. Jesus moran 28 May 2012, 8:38pm

    Very plain and simple , pack up your things, sell your house and move back where you came from, we gays don’t go the middle east imposing our ” gay agenda” this planet is big enough so please respect the way we live our lives and GO AWAY period!

    1. While their religion doesn’t, many muslims do, in fact, ‘come from’ the UK.

      Gays exist in any community – we are already in the middle east, and suffering because of it.

      Before you get consumed by your own bigotry, consider the possibility that moderate muslims raised in the UK might have a positive effect on the wider religious community. Consider the estimated 70 muslims who died in the world trade centre attacks : the fallout of this heinous act amongst their family and friends led to condemnation from within the muslim community of such extremists.

  36. Jesus moran 28 May 2012, 8:41pm

    And sick and tired of religious fanatics judging me and the entire society, like they are perfect , you people smell, you are disrespectful, abuse our women, hate us in our own land enough of all you !!!!

  37. Jesus moran 28 May 2012, 8:48pm

    Wake up Britain and don’t let this people keep on coming and becoming uk citizens that will only give them more power to try to destroy our society and countries I wish I can be immigration minister and deny entry to all of them!

    1. That There Other David 28 May 2012, 9:15pm

      The MCB is a self-appointed group of old men pretending to speak for British Muslims, when the MCB actually speaks for nobody other than themselves.

      So please, take your BNP inspired crap and post it elsewhere. Two forms of competing bigotry don’t negate each other, they just make the world a lot worse.

  38. It is times like these I am glad that I $upported the EDL, after many pleas from a friend in England (a true and REAL English lad).

    These guys were right, if you gay Brits let these Islamofascists take over England gay people’s heads will start rolling down the streets of east london.

    1. That There Other David 28 May 2012, 9:16pm

      The majority of EDL supporters would take that rolling gay head and still kick it in. We’re not fooled by that bunch of scrotes either.

    2. @Pepa

      Really ? This is what you supported:

    3. @Pepa

      And here’s their leader being interviewed on the BBC:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q96elyZaxq8

      I would welcome your thoughts.

    4. “if you gay Brits let these Islamofascists take over England ”

      Racist and paranoid in the same sentence…. well done.

      Were you parents too poor to pay for the meds or the education, or both?

      1. Now correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression Pepa lives in Arizona.

        I don’t recall ever hearing of either an Arizonan branch of the EDL or policies of the EDL that applied to Arizona …

        1. “Now correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression Pepa lives in Arizona.”

          You would be quite right, Stu.

          He thinks his racist opinion matters here. Ah, bless.

    5. What a surprise that one of Pepa’s “friends” is basically a fascist. And he’s proud of the fact too, bless. Another Ernst Röhm in our mists.

    6. Religious bigotry does not justify nationalist and racist bigotry.

      1. Absolutely!

        Any form of bigotry is ugly and inhumane.

  39. This statement demonstrates yet again that the fundamentalist Islamic faith is incompatible with a modern western democracy. I’d ask you to turn out the lights as you go but you’re already living in medieval darkness.

  40. One suggestion- when conservative Muslims in Canada atacked the introduction of same-sex marriage, progressive Muslims set up their own organisation to support it. Might be worth pursuing in the UK, too.

    1. Lovely idea but we’ll see how many sign up for that. I’m not holding my breath.

      1. I like the idea, and if Liams story posted about is true then there should be plenty of support – but like you, Cal I will not be holding my breath … Perhaps some people could prove us wrong, please ….

        1. Posted above**

  41. How fitting that the Muslim Council of Britain, who willingly swallowed whole and reproduced the lies and moral panic spread by racists about Asian men after the Rochdale saga (for which they were thanked by Aunt Jemima Lady Warsi), now don’t seem to mind giving the EDL even more ammunition to harass, demonise and whip up alarm about British muslims. I hope they’re proud of themselves.

  42. I sent a message to the people who designed the website. Money over sense.

  43. I shun muslims because of views like this. It is they who are separte and alone.

  44. theotherone 28 May 2012, 10:26pm

    SPUC? The Anti-Abortion SPUC? They’re a Catholic organisation, why are they supporting a Muslim group?

  45. Future humans will look back on their ancestors and laugh at how many believed in imaginary beings and thought everything revolved around this irrelevant grain of sand. There are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on Earth, yet a large proportion of the human mammal still thinks we’re the centre of the universe. They’re like the aliens in the machine in Toy Story who worship the Claw; insular, myopic, blinded by their particular book of fiction. ‘I have been chosen’. No you haven’t. You’ve given up the ability of free thought to male control freaks from thousands of years ago and wasted your entire life believing in fantasy.

  46. We live in Britain and thankfully the majority of us support the law change. If you don’t like it then you can move to another country. Simples. I for one AM OUT FOR MARRIAGE :)

  47. I’ve just used their ‘Contact Us’ page to send an empassioned message to ask them to reconsider, if they truly belive that their religion is, indeed, religious.

  48. I haven’t got anything remotely reasonable or publishable to say about this latest barbaric statement.

  49. Errol Semple 28 May 2012, 11:25pm

    Irrelevant. Irrelevant. Irrelevant.
    Another religious hate gang.
    Thank God for seperation of church (mosque) and state.

  50. I just keep wondering, what are these religious groups defending marriage from? It boggles my mind.

    The unfortunate thing about all of this is they are not prone to reason. When pressed, they quote a couple of the same old tired phrases from that book of myths and then claim everything esle is irrelevant.

  51. Well, at least they’re not likely to argue that we are the slippery slope to polygamy.

    1. Carry On Cardinal ! 29 May 2012, 5:36pm

      I suspect they had to revise the copy slightly that they were no doubt provided with, they ALMOST got there if you look at it. Maybe it was done for them by someone like Catholic Vioces.

      BTW, anyone else following Vatileaks?

  52. New Aussie 29 May 2012, 1:57am

    Hugely disappointing. Note however, wherever they might claim the MCB is not in any way a representative body for Moslems and many Moslems fundamentally disagree with their various pronouncements.

  53. James DuPlessis 29 May 2012, 3:43am

    The faith that seems to require their women to wear Burkas while their men wear Gucci. This is not a faith, it is an abomination of equality.

  54. James DuPlessis 29 May 2012, 3:45am

    It is sad that a faith that seems to want women to wear Burkas while the men wear Gucci is even taken seriously. I find all of it revolting. Islam has no place in my life or my marrage to my Husband.

  55. Cynical theocratic group.

  56. I’m just wondering if Andrea Minichiello Williams is also now a lmember of MCB, she’s already the front person at the Christian Legal Centre and Christian Concern, she’s a current lay member of the Anglican Synod as well as being heavily involved in the C4M petition and a popular go to bod for an anti-gay quote or soundbite for the press, almost anywhere there’s an opportunity to oppose LGBT rights, there’s Andrea Williams spreading misinformation and discord.
    I suppose it depends whether her opposition to gay rights is stronger than her dislike of Muslims.

  57. To hell with it. Whatever this bunch of homophobes said is just utterly rubbish. Look beyond UK, there are unrest everywhere. Not to sound racist but a closer look denotes that these violence are mostly centered at Muslim countries. Their preferred solution to a problem would be violence. Thus, I believe anyone with a sound mind would know that they should not listen to what MCB said as it is only an insult to humanity mind of rationality. The time for marriage equality is now, and if they got a problem with it, they should just leave instead of causing a fiasco. These people are the reason why people still sentence gay men to death in Iran.

    1. That There Other David 29 May 2012, 11:15am

      The violence in Muslim countries is mostly down to a combination of demographics (the average age is FAR younger than here in Europe) and the complete lack of civil rights the ruling oligarchies grant to their people. Whilst this can manifest in good ways, such as the overthrow of the government in Tunisia, it also breeds resentment and extremism, such as in Saudi Arabia.

      Violence isn’t universal across the Muslim world.

  58. Muslims in the UK, should shut up about protecting ‘traditional marriage’ . The Muslim interpretation of traditional marriage is a man and up to 4 wives. That’s polygamy, not traditional marriage! Muslims should be smart and stay out of the civil same-sex marriage issue because it’s got nothing to do with their religion or and others. It’s civil marriage equality! Maybe Islam and the hijab should be banned in the UK, after all has never been part of it’s tradition for the vast majority of Brits and is only a recent addition to UK.

    1. I agree Vern.

    2. That There Other David 29 May 2012, 11:12am

      I disagree. If they shout about “traditional marriage” it gives our side of the argument the perfect opportunity to show exactly how the phrase “traditional marriage” ALREADY means different things to different people, which means the anti-equality side lose another of their already depleted stock of talking points.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2012, 1:09pm

      Quite! Notice how the right wingers and religious nutters who aren’t muslim NEVER raise the polygamy issue in Islam but they conveniently invoke it with impunity to instill fear to not introduce equal civil marriage. Maybe some of us should target the Christian Institute and its fellow hate-mongers and ask them why they’re not speaking up and condemning heterosexual polygamy in Islam. That would really put the cat amongst the pigeons and push them into a corner from which they’d have a very hard to time to wriggle out of, really call their bluff as it were and expose their hypocrisy and double-standards, as well as their lies and deceit.

  59. Can anyone else hear that sound? It’s the sounds of straw being clutched and barrel bottoms being scraped!

    What are the serious consequences to which Mr. Murad claims? If you cannot substantiate your claims you should keep your mouth well and truly shut on issues that ultimately will not affect you.

    And him spouting about the need for children to be raised in a home of a loving mother and father, well recent new reports show that that is not the case, even within the Muslim Community, Shafilea Ahmed murdered by her mother and father because they did not like her western ways! So tell me now who is worse.

    The man, and indeed his whole campaign have nothing to add except the usual homophobic crap hidden behind outdated and irrelevant religious dogma!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2012, 1:03pm

      And let’s not forget their penchant for ‘honour’ killings of family members and others who bring ‘disgrace’ on their families. Nobody can ever convince me Islam is a peaceful cult.

  60. I think they’re sailing close to the wind by having a petition that calls marriage a ‘voluntary union’ – not in many muslim families it’s not.

  61. Jock S. Trap 29 May 2012, 10:03am

    A typical narrow minded view I’ve come to expect. If they planned not to be homophobic they failed but then only the religious extremist, christian, muslim or otherwise fail to see it.

    Fact:- If you don’t want to marry someone of the same sex…DON’T! It’s that simple. It has nothing to do with anyone else esp religion.

    However why does their religion freedom deny those more modern approached religions that do support. That’s Not religious freedom at all more like a dictatorship.

    May I suggest those that seem to bitterly deny marriage equality also deny stability and a better society which they clearly see as a threat.

    So Very sadly.

    If so bitterly opposed then move to a hateful country that agrees with you… regardless of if your muslim, christian, white, black, British or otherwise!

  62. The Muslim Council are a ploy to remove democratic rights and freeedoms from all citizens!

  63. Makes me wonder what’s going on in his sports club..

  64. Islam recognises marriage as between A man and A woman?? Doesn’t believe in easy divorce?? When did the Archangel Gabriel tell this to that barmy merchant? And just by the by, when did they get so outraged about guys boffing each other? Not during the great days of the Caliphate, that’s for sure. What a farrago of hypocritical, anti-historical garbage.

  65. Jonathan Harbourne 29 May 2012, 2:12pm

    I know we can no longer discriminate when providing goods and services, but if I were branding and web design company http://www.openwateronline.co.uk I would not put my name to this web site.

    1. They proudly exhibit testimonials from other fundamentalist clients such as the anti-abortionist, anti-choice SPUC, so we know where they are coming from

  66. Staircase2 29 May 2012, 3:08pm

    This is bollocks…

  67. Fully?
    Well go and live somewhere under Shariah then, and good riddance.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:25pm

      Indeed and where his life would be just as under threat just for being non Muslim!

  68. Well I am sure Muslim countries would love to have you-they are so tolerant of foreigners there-especially ones of different faiths …

  69. Carry On Cardinal ! 29 May 2012, 4:58pm

    LOL, I wonder who put them up to this! ;)

  70. Carry On Cardinal ! 29 May 2012, 4:59pm

    LOL, oh dAVID, stoppitt,hahaha!!

  71. Keith Ward 29 May 2012, 6:23pm

    All it takes for Isalm to flourish in the world is for good men to do nothing

  72. So that’s two non existent supporters for them then eh “Aiden”?

  73. Typical Islam…. wanting tolerance for them self, wanting acceptance for them self, wanting equality for them self but when it comes to another minority group the tune changes dramatically and they show their true colours.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:26pm

      Quite… well said!

  74. Jock S. Trap 30 May 2012, 7:24pm

    Of course you do darling! (Yawn)

  75. Two quotes from the Pink News article-’In a video on the site, Mr Murad says children “born and unborn” are “safer in marriages which are between a man and a woman”.
    “Marriage as an institution exists to protect children, their identity and their right to know and be nurtured by both their mother and their father.’ Try telling that to Mick and Mairead Philpott in Derby, who have now been arrested and charged on suspision of murder of all six children. They were safe in hetrosexual hands were’nt they!?

    1. Not to mention little Baby P & Victoria Climbie……

  76. Islamophobia does not exist – but homophobia does. And do you remember this one? Says it all!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

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