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Minnesota: Pastor who supports gay rights risks losing his church

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  1. What a fantastic man…& with such a history too, I wish him all the best.

  2. Several traditional churches in the U.S., also face the same problem, especially in a state where migration is strong as the Minnesota

    The low birth rate of white American Protestants. And the growth of minority mostly Catholic principles, will lead to an American Protestantism inevitable downfall.

  3. where I can I mail in my contribution?. I hope UCC finds him a new congregation if his original congregation doesn’t turn around. I understand that since Obama voiced his support for gay marriage that there has been a marked positive change in African American attitudes towards gays.

    1. Their website has a donation link as well as their physical address: http://gracecommunityucc.org/

    2. He still believes in a giant sky fairy so why give him money to propagate myths and fantasies.

      If he had any real sense he would have left the church himself. If this hasn’t taught him what religion is really about he is a bit slow.

      1. clearly it is your opinion not a fact, nevertheless you are entitled to express it

        1. It is not my opinion that there are no sky fairies, where are the facts to show it?
          I think the onus is on the religious to prove it. It is too easy to say it’s all about faith. What a cop out.
          Everytime science comes up with more proof that the religious are simply just wrong they change their beliefs to fit the new discoveries.

      2. Jock S. Trap 29 May 2012, 9:48am

        Becuse sadly we will never rid of religion. People need faith and they have that right. What this man does is prove not all are bad and extreme and if we have to live alongside religion these kinds of people can make all the difference.

      3. slackerPTAmom 29 May 2012, 8:11pm

        Your skepticism is understandable. But please note that arguably the foremost American strategist of Gandhian nonviolent direct action, organizer of the 1963 March on Washington, and a key civil right strategist was a black gay Quaker by the name of Bayard Rustin. Rustin understood that coalition politics linking secular groups such as the NAACP and black trade unions with black church groups had a galvanizing effect to the movement. And as straight ally Benjamin Jealous of the NAACP exhorted to the LGBT National Task Force in January we would all do well to study Bayard Rustin – as the Tea Party has!

        1. It may have worked with black equality but it didn’t do much for black gay equality.

          And incidentally if I have a perfect right to express my opinions, why are they faded out?

          Don’t people like reading stuff they just happen to disagree with.

          Are they so shocked because someone says there is no god.

  4. So a man who is preaching to others to love unconditionally is at risk of losing his livelihood, let alone being mostly ostracised for preaching the former. There is a cynical undertone to organised religion in some American states, with so-called Christians responsible for pouring money into anti-gay organisations, physically attacking gay people, and bullying them in schools. I hope I live to see the day when people look back in shame and disgust at the actions of these perpetrators. I wish Mr White all the best.

    1. I live in the US and I can tell you-in a lot of churches are exploiting scapegoats to galvanize members-misanthropy sells, messages of inclusion send them away in droves. There are a lot of spiteful angry people who flock to ministers who give them someone to blame their misery on.

  5. I think Oliver White is fantastic for speaking out in favour of gay equality considering what’s it’s cost him – he must have at least suspected this would happen, and he still did the right thing.

    He has more principles than the congregation who upped and left just because they didn’t like what he was saying. Doesn’t say much for their religious faith when they can act like that so easily.

    1. The only good thing he has done is to show up his congregation for the true hypocrites that they are. Move on and leave them to it is my advice to him.

  6. JB Weinberg 28 May 2012, 11:43pm

    If readers wish to support this pastor and his strong support of our community, the link to donate is here. I was frustrated to find that the link wasn’t in the body of the article. I just gave $25: https://rally.org/gcucc

    1. Wouldn’t you need to believe in god first before giving him any cash?

      1. its not about believe, its about financing certain point of view that benefits certain section of community

      2. I don’t believe in God ,but I do believe in supporting someone doing the right thing.

        1. Preaching rubbish to the feeble minded is not doing the right thing.

  7. What were homophobes doing in the United Church of Christ (formerly the Congregational Church)? It is a pro-gay denomination, ordaining and marrying gays and lesbians.

    1. UCC respects a lot of congregational independence.

  8. balloonable 29 May 2012, 12:28am

    I tried to donate but it won’t accept my credit card for some reason.

    1. The banking system doesn’t believe in god?

      1. the one used by vatican does

        1. I think that’s the other chap.

  9. I read this story in the huffington post. What they neglect to mention in the pink news article is that the reason he has to raise $200,000 is because he took out a high interest loan in excess of $100,000 dollars shortly before voicing his support for gay marriage. I support his view and his morals, but the situation he has gotten himself into, he himself admits, is due to his own failures in managing the economics of his parish Church.

    1. What you fail to realize is that if the congregation had been larger (not left as a result of his position (which is in accordance with his denomination so i dont know why they left) then the loan would have been much more feasible but when 2/3 leave you have a lack of income to offset the expense.

    2. ‘…but the situation he has gotten himself into, he himself admits, is due to his own failures in managing the economics of his parish Church…’

      yes telling his flock that gays are normal people was a bad managerial move that costed his church huge loss in revenue

  10. Derrick Coetzee 29 May 2012, 1:59am

    For those who want to help this pastor keep his church, it’s not too late. Believe Out Loud is holding an official online fundraiser at: https://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/50427/p/salsa/donation/common/public/?donate_page_KEY=7848

    They’ve raised $8700 so far. Please help – if LGBTs are ever to be universally accepted, they need dedicated advocates in religious communities like Rev. White.

    1. You’d achieve far more by giving to an organisation trying to promote rationality and science. Religion is belief in the non-existant.

      1. rationality and science is more popular among people with degree, if we are going to change attitudes of homophobic by default christians we need more people like this pastor and they will need our help in return

        1. Jock S. Trap 29 May 2012, 9:49am

          Indeed… well said kane!

    2. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 6:35pm

      I beg to differ. I do not need someone who makes a career of and claims to talk to imaginary deities in the sky to give my life legitimacy, thank you very bloody much.
      Let him shut up shop and go out and get a proper job if he wants to pay off his debts like the rest of us. As someone above pointed out his denomination is known to support GLBs, so why has his “flock” scarpered one wonders…..Why did he borrow such a large sum of money?

  11. I admire him for his bravery.It takes alot to stand up for what you believe in.I just feel bad he has to lose his livelihood because of it.

    1. I admire the congregation for the same reasons

      1. yes you are right, the ones who stayed are really brave

  12. The Minnesota gay Christians need to go to his church to support him because he is supporting them.

  13. Paul Perrin 29 May 2012, 4:14am

    to donate to this worthwhile preacher http://www.gracecommunityucc.org this is his web-site

  14. So… No one is coming to the conclusion that the Pastor doesn’t have a congregation to preach to and really doesn’t need a church to preach to empty pews?

    Regardless of your views on gay rights, the Pastor’s congregation chose to show theirs by leaving. I commend them for doing so and would like to know how I can donate money to the congregation in general so they can hire a new Pastor.

    1. “So… No one is coming to the conclusion that the Pastor doesn’t have a congregation to preach to and really doesn’t need a church to preach to empty pews? ”

      No. Where is the evidence for that? It more likely his congregation do not have the means to provide the level of financial assistance he needs given the level of financial difficulties the church is in.

      “I commend them for doing so”

      Of course you do. Bigots have only each other for support, eh?

    2. Jock S. Trap 29 May 2012, 9:51am

      Actually $13,000 suggests otherwise, Chris.

  15. The Pastor’s congregation does not agree with the Pastor and chose to leave the church. If this were a place of business – say the cable company – and they began broadcasting content you considered offensive on every channel you received you’d:

    A: Accept that there was nothing you could do about the content and continue to pay your bill
    B: Cancel your cable subscription and move to DirecTV

    You’d cancel your subscription of course! So, now that you and the other 2/3rds of the other paying subscribers have moved on to DirecTV, you hear about an internet drive to send spare change to the Cable Company to keep them operating. This:

    A: Reaffirms your ability to “vote with your wallet”
    B: Upsets you and makes you feel like you have no voice with respect to what is being broadcast by the Cable Company.

    Yes… Politically incorrect but accurate.

    1. More self indulgent waffle.

    2. ‘…The Pastor’s congregation does not agree with the Pastor and chose to leave the church…’

      clearly his congregation decided it couldn’t exist without hate speech

    3. Yet you still come on to gay website to post ridiculous comments! What a sad, meaningless life you must lead Chris

    4. You clearly have a limited understanding of political correctness (among other things).

  16. While I am not Christian, I applaud this man for standing up for the right thing. I believe this Church is the type of church that should be open and the Pastor is a shining example of everything that I understand a true Christian to be. I am contributing as soon as my paycheck is deposited this week. Thank you Reverend!

  17. He needs as much support as we can give him. Stick to your guns Pastor, help is on the way.

  18. This man is a christian, in contrast to so many who call themselves such.

    It’s a shame that so many of his ex-congregation don’t find themselves able to love their neighbour as taught by Christ.

    1. Just further evidence that so called Christians pick and chose what it means to be one. I agree with you that this man is a Christian in the real sense of the word.

    2. Agreed.

  19. Regardless of the reason for his financial issues, his vocal support for equality is admirable.

  20. this man needs to be supported so he can spread positive message among homophobic christians that being gay is not a reason to get your nickers in the twist

  21. Jock S. Trap 29 May 2012, 9:46am

    Brilliant!!! Always good to see some religious folk stick to the true beliefs and not the worst of what they can make.

    Well done for him for stickin to his principles!!

  22. The man is a wonder, good on him for sticking by his own beliefs. He is a most welcome ally in the fight for full equality

  23. GingerlyColors 29 May 2012, 1:49pm

    Support for marriage equality is lower amongst America’s black population than it is amongst whites although thanks to President Obama blacks are coming round to the idea that we are all equal, regardless of sexuality and not just skin colour. America’s blacks only to have to look at themselves and see how far they have come since the 1950’s. In a little over 50 years they went from sitting at the back of the bus to running the country and the Ku Klux Klan went from a membership of 3,000,000 to the irrelevance it is today. While there is still some progress to be made for them, it is time that they show more support for LGBT rights and they can help by putting their hands in their pockets and supporting Grace Community United Church.

    1. Why don’t you issue the same ch-allege to the mormons and white evangelical christians who are the one’s with the money and the power behind the anti-LGBT legislation?

  24. The UCC is one of the most progressive churches in America. What the hell church did all these bigots think they were members of? Nothing more ironic than black Christians walking out against integration.

    1. Whites have had far more influence
      in anti-gay politics than blacks ever had. More blacks now support marriage equality than whites.

  25. Garry Cassell 29 May 2012, 3:07pm

    Rev. White..all power and glory to you for standing up and leading in the way Jesus would want you to lead…You are a model for all those who claim to be “christian leaders” but just show hate..If all followed your lead the church might have a much better reputation.

    1. Jesus is a myth, JC never existed, it’s a load of utter nonsense made up to control the masses. Rev White needs to get himself a better job minus the hocus pocus.

  26. Staircase2 29 May 2012, 3:18pm

    Bless you, Rev White!

  27. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-shook-phd/churchgoers-now-a-minorit_b_1537108.html

    The good news is that religion is on the way out. It takes time but the figures are encouraging. Church-Goers Now a Minority in America is a headline I have waited a long time to read. All citations on anything Federal to do with “god” should be deleted immediately starting with the currency.

    1. AND RISK THE GODLESS COMMUNIST MASSES ENCROACHING ON AMERICAN SOIL?!?!?!?! Sorry I got a little carried away there.

      1. You obvously are trapped in a time warp. The former communists are the furthest thing from godless. They are vodka soaked jesus gibbering idiots frantic with hate for all LGBT people. Thankfully there is a growing number of godless individuals in the USA and in time, the unreasoning religious unconstitutional elements of public policy will be removed once and for all. When that day comes equallity will be a fact for all LGBT people in America. As for Russia for as long as short arse Czar Putin has it in his grip it stays in the 16 Century.

        1. Surely you knew that the introduction of ‘In God we trust’ coincided with the red scare in the United States?

          My entire comment was based on said fact.

          And it is also mildly satirical because the religious right in the United States fears anything even vaguely based in socialism.

          And I thought the traditional ideal Marxist state was Atheistic.

          Oh dear.

    2. I hope so.

  28. What this man needs to do is remond his CONSTIPATION where THEIR rights came from. Martin luther King depended on THIS man who organized much of MLK’s civil Rights Movement..
    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/bayard-rustin-martin-luther-king-jr-s-gay-strategist-deserves-better/politics/2011/08/23/25730

    1. Paddyswurds 29 May 2012, 6:43pm

      Congregation *** surely?

  29. It is quite scary to watch how militant the religious unhinged in the USA are prepared to go.

    1. We see it every day on the news..:(

  30. I wish this lovely man all the best and hope he succeeds in keeping his church open! People like the Reverend White should be supported, he’s a fantastic humanitarian!

  31. Odd considering the United Church of Christ (UCC) delegations has made it known they are for marriage equity. Also President Obama used to be apart of an UCC congregation while living in Chicago full time. It is very disgusting how some fellow black Americans can be that simple-minded and ignorant on such basic principles.

    1. I am really sick of gays blaming blacks.
      Whites religous and conservative organizations have spent millions supporting anti-gay legislation, but it is easier to go after people of color who don’t have any real power. The mainstream gay community needs to examine how they treat LGBT of color who have been working to change attitudes in their community for years but are marginalized by the main movement. Blacks have made major changes around marriage equality, while many LGBT remain “ignorant and simple minded” about the racism in their own community.

  32. Too bad PinkNews didn’t provide the link in the story. Otherwise, the church would have received a lot more contributions. http://rally.org/gcucc

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