The people here in the US are clueless. Basic human rights are not something that can be voted on. You cannot ask two lions and a lamb to vote on what’s for dinner.
More baffling is the advancement of human rights by blacks within my lifetime, and now they turn around and deny them to others. In my opinion, its hypocrisy in its most evil form. “We got ours, go screw yourselves!”
A brave, but true point which I completely agree with. Sadly it seems to be the way with many minorities, they receive the rights they want and then use those rights (right to vote, free speech) to make other minorities have to work harder for their rights.
“We got ours, go screw yourselves!”
That’s how the world works unfortunately. People are selfish …every single one of us is selfish to a certain extent. And that’s how it will always be.
But we shouldn’t focus on these negative things tho. We should be happy that we’re at least headed towards the right direction and that equality is taking huge steps right now in many places around the world. Obama endorsing equal marriage is huge for americans. In 10 – 15 years i would say that ALL European countries and most countries in the americas will have equal marriage.
“You cannot ask two lions and a lamb to vote on what’s for dinner.”
Brilliant! Just brilliant! :)
It is so disappointing to see a comment like this get 16 thumbs up, because it is blatantly racist. The use of the word “blacks” when referring to Black people, and then the arrogant assumption that because Black people recently hard won their human rights, that they should be somehow grateful and the generalisation of “they turn around and deny”
Who exactly are ” they” you are talking about. Exactly who are the Black people who are denying us our rights. There is only one Black man at the head of government and he seems to be doing a pretty good job of the management of this issue to a point where public opinion has gone from 34% to 53% in four years. It is all very well to demand human rights and rightly so but society has to be allowed time for the idea to gestate and in this regard some are slower than others., .Blatant racism isn’t helping our cause.
I must say I didn’t find those comments racist. Many in the black community and popular culture have been so hostile. After accepting his Oscar for Milk, Sean Penn admonished the black community in California for supporting Prop 8, saying they, of all people, should know what civil rights mean. I abhore racism but I don’t think it is wrong to point the finger in this case.
@Cal – Well they are.
Like so many others on here you are forgetting that ‘those’ black people are also ONE OF US – there are black LGBT people just like there are white people.
The problem stems from the fact that the main stream Gay community is generally white and male and usually middle class. Black people, other People of Colour and women are often marginalised and pushed into invisibility.
Commentators on here would be wise to remember there’s a reason why the rainbow flag is used as an international symbol for the community: that we are as diverse as the rest of the world is…
Petty racism tends to be fuelled not by direct, personal experience but rather the things we ‘experience’ vicariously – ie thru films, TV, plays, Media and hearsay.
All of which tend to be whipped up by politicians at times of political stress (ie elections).
What you believe to be the truth regarding ‘the black community’s’ ‘hostility’ to Gay people is most likely to be based on MIS-information
Blatant racism and islamophobia is pretty much the norm for PN commentators. One wonders if the name of the website is more about the skin colour of readers than a euphemism for ‘gay stuff’
“Blatant racism and islamophobia is pretty much the norm for PN commentators.”
Generalisations like that tend to be the domain of fools.
Thats not a generalisation – its an OBSERVATION…
(and an accurate one at that…the PN Comments boards ARE overwhelmingly racist and Islamophobic much of the time.)
You are hardly one to be passing judgement Staircase, you are one of them most offensive individuals and generalisers in here. Only an observation, mind.
Neither is woolly white liberal guilt!
I suppose in Countries like Italy, Russia, Israel we can blame the ‘Blacks’ for lack of basic human rights for Gays?
Are all ‘Blacks’ homophobic? Are all ‘Whites’ Racist?
are all muslims bigoted, ignorant, misogynists, with tiny dicks – YES!
Is that the voice of experience? Especially after the ‘with’?
@Aryu – this is bollocks
For once, Paddy has his head screwed on: what you’ve written in blatently racist
The casual use of the word ‘they’ is shameful. And as I keep saying until people get it: ‘black’ and ‘white’ are adjectives – they need a NOUN after them to make sense…ie black PEOPLE, or white PEOPLE – ‘blacks’ and ‘whites’ just like ‘gays’ says far more about the person using the word than it does about the people they’re using it about…
Let’s hope Hilary Clintion takes the next step and declares support for equal marriage, long overdue.
She supported the New York equal marriage when it became law.
And the advocate has said that everyone assumes that privately she supports gay marriage.
This is really great news. Lots of people need to be told what to think, particularly on matters that may not particularly concern them directly. President Obama has shown true leadership on this important issue and is changing hearts and minds across the globe in the right direction. What a great President he is! A second term in office for this great man please America!
The unstoppable snowball of LGBT equality keeps rolling and opposition crumbles away.
Exciting to see the speed of change in the US
See it takes a brave world leader to take a stand on this issue and now everyone is jumping on board.
Just hope the people of America go to the polls in November and vote for Barak Obama. As they can see they will be in a better place, if they do.
It is so disappointing to see a comment like this get (at this moment) 16 thumbs up, because it is blatantly racist. First the use of the word “blacks” when referring to Black people, and then the arrogant assumption that because Black people recently hard won their human rights, that they should be somehow grateful and the generalisation of “they turn around and deny” Who exactly the the ” they” you are talking about. Exactly who are the Black people who are denying us our rights. There is only one Black man at the head of government and he seems to be doing a pretty good job of the management of this issue to a point where public opinion has gone from 34% to 53% in four years. It is all very well to demand human rights and rightly so but society has to be allowed time for the idea to gestate and in this regard some are slower than others.Fundamentalist religion in the USA has been a big obstacle and thankfully now seems to have been overcome, .Blatant racism isn’t helping our cause.
comment on first post on this thread….
Obama is an astute politician who knows both that the Presidential election will not be decided by the equal marriage issue, and that his fence-sitting was looking bad to his support base. I think this is why he came out in favour; but it was still a milestone. I suspect that black support for equal marriage has risen markedly because, at least in some cases, people afraid to voice liberal and accepting views in generally conservative communities feel emboldened to do so when a powerful public figure associated with that community endorses those views. This is in part why gestures like Obama’s are so important.
The majority of Black Americans and Black Brits oppose same sex marriage entirely due to their mass brainwashing by bigoted christian missionaries – otherwise there would be no black gays US or UK!
Please there are more of us gay then obviously Mr Schubert thanks lol. You got alot of or brothers that are on the DL that’s in support of same sex marriage that are trying to find their way to become fully gay so he don’t know what he’s talking about at all. There are more and more black guys coming out of the closet everyday or that have their boyfriend on the side catch the hint, hint.
@Joey: I don’t see how the ‘boyfriend on the side’ is a hint at anything supporting the cause of Gay Liberation, Joey.
The closet is every bit as dark and limiting place for bisexual men as it is for gay men (and in truth for ALL people in the LGBT family).
I do however agree (as I’ve said before) that there is some ridiculous blanket belief that all Gay men are white (both from outside and, more worryingly, INSIDE the Gay community.)
There has recently been a very welcome flood of support for the Gay cause from very high-profile African-Americans. Let’s hope that the effects of this filter down to the streets, churches, barbershops, beauty parlours, schools, youth-clubs and local communities.
The effect of any community’s acceptance of Gay people is felt, primarily by that community’s OWN children, brothers, sisters, fathers and husbands.
…And so it begins…
I wonder how many white people changed their mind after Obama’s announcement. I bet you it’s the same as black people. Maybe the question is more to do with geographics than race.
P.S. As a gay person myself, I find it terrible how some gay people play to the stereotypes of black people. You’d think as we belong to a minority, this minority of a minority would know better!