Haters have to hate. He seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of his job.
PS. And don’t forget those tithes folks. It’s for the Lord’s work you understand.
Lol, time for a new car!
Isn’t this how Hitler started? Love how these ‘Christians’ can show their true nature. What ever happened to love, forgiveness, and understanding and not being judgemental in the bargain. What a complete waste of space.
“”Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out…and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out…do you know why? They can’t reproduce!””
Poor Mr Worley. Clearly too dumb to even realise the most obvious flaw in his argument. If same sex couples can’t reproduce, and never have been able to, then where do we all come from? Hmmm?
If you really wish to eradicate LGBT people then I’m afraid there’s only one sure fire answer. Outlaw child birth. Then you not only eradicate LGBT people, but ALL people which is the only 100% way to ensure no more LGBT people in the world. Moron
What a rabidly homophobic, misogynistic b a s t a r d.
Hater needs to be locked up himself.
So he wants to make concentration camps for us. Another pleasant christian using god to justify his hatred and violence. Sick man.
it’s the heterosexuals that re-produce not homos… what a douchebag
“Can you imagine kissing another man”
Can I imagine anyone male or female kissing anyone with as ugly a heart as Charles Worley? Hell, no.
Fight fire with fire. I wish we could put heterosexuals like him in an enclosed electric compound.
How similar is this to the gas chambers of the 2nd world war.
The thinking of some people in the 21st century is unbelievable. Nothing changes.
Counselling a criminal offence.
He is a very sick man.
He he and they wonder why religion is dying
Not fast enough! :/ But hey, it’s still dying, good enough
They are just relocating to Asia, Eastern Europe, and Africa, where they can scoop in megabucks.
Singapore is a good example. It’s very sad.
I fear my friend that this sort of Evangelical Christianity is only growing from strength to strength – the message of the prosperity Gospel suits the American system far to well to be doing otherwise.
‘Rethuglicans’ in America at it again.Not one word of repudiation from their party.
These comments are in line with other anti-gay religious leaders in the state, like Sean Harris, who said parents should “crack” their children’s “limp wrist.” Harris walked back his statements, but Corley emphasized in his speech that he did, in fact, “mean to say that.”
WORLEY: I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 miles long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.
Seems Worley does not understand basic biology!
Charles Worley is also a member of the designated hate group North Carolina Family Policy Council who ran this grotesque advert against same sex marriage:
Christian Pastor? More like a member of Hitler’s Gestapo at Auschwitz.:a true and real disciple of Lucifer, the mythical Satan and head of all the fallen angels.It appears someone let out the gates of hell and its occupants fled and settled in North Carolina.
Yep. A follower of Christ that guy is not!
its ok he was probably only preaching to a few red necks and their wives/sisters
There sisters probably ARE their wives.
Yes. I think that was the point being made.
Its time there was a fence put around the hate-mongers of North Carolina. Do the laws of the USA allow such hatred to be expressed so publicly? Or shall we wait to see this guy sneak out of a public washroom after having sex with a homosexual in a year or two and see how he falls from grace.
Hate crimes in North Carolina do not cover issues of gender or sexual orientation.
They damn well should.
“It makes me pukin’ sick to think about,” he adds, “I don’t know whether or not to say this in the pulpit — can you imagine kissing another man?”
————————————————–The thought of kissing that old fart makes me want to puke as well.
“Pastor“? I can think of quite a few more appropriate terms to describe him. The word ‘savage’ comes to mind too.
Unbelievable. Thank goodness for YouTube though, showing these people for what they are.
To be honest, religion being what it is, Pastor just about covers it. His thoughts are common within his fellow pastors but his choice to express them so publicly is uncommon.
I wonder if he has links to Uganda.
Reading most of your comments on this site, you might want to look in the mirror. You have managed to hate heteros, republicans, conservatives, christians, and all others who disagree with your sexual orientation, congrats! Poor Kris, he truely don’t understand the reproduction system, you came from a heterosexual couple, not a gay couple.
First of all, what’s there to agree with? You can’t agree or disagree with sexuality any more than you can agree or disagree with black hair.
Second, how exactly would you respond to someone who wants to put you in a concentration camp? And this guy is supposed to be a Christian!
And third, I suggest you read Kris’s post again until you understand what he’s trying to say.
That’s his whole point. Killing all gays, as this pastor suggests, won’t eliminate gay people, since they are continually being born, always have been, always will.
But I agree that responding to hatred and fear generated by religious fascists with hatred rather than compassion for their sad lives is unfortunate.
It is not up to anyone else to ‘disagree’ with my sexual orientation any more than yours. It is, and should be, none of anyone else’s business.
Whatever ‘hate’ has been expressed on this thread, observe the difference: you may note it generally stops short of recommending concentration camps and execution.
“Poor Kris, he truely don’t understand the reproduction system, you came from a heterosexual couple, not a gay couple.”
Haha Poor Kris(read as “aww poor dumb dumb”)? Really? If you wish to patronise or ridicule me then I suggest you actually read what I’ve said then feel free to come back to me. And FYI he DOES understand the reproduction system, same way he DOES understand english grammar, so again read next time before you embarass yourself. Poor you :)
Republicans, conservatives, christians are deserving of HATE they espouse mirrored right back at them
Heteros I have no issue with.
My parents were of that persuasion.
Surely thats EXACTLY Kris’s point. If you segregate and/or murder all LGBT people it will not stop the LGBT population growing because heterosexuals (usually) give birth to LGBT people.
More interested in being a moronic troll than being intelligent me thinks. Poor LP :P
Heterosexuals create homosexuals, end of! What about the heteros, republicans, conservatives and so called ‘christians’ like this pastor who incite hatred. It is they who should look in the mirror and ask themselves is this what Jesus Christ would have wanted? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, judge not, lest ye shall be judged. Jesus Christ NEVER condemned or judged homosexuals, nor did he even mention them. People like you are always playing the bloody victim card when the going gets tough and you can’t handle the truth. Lesbians can reproduce via IVF and surrogacy There are plenty of heterosexuals throughout the civilised world who use those methods of non-sexual procreation if one is infertile. You’re an idiot.
Yet another person spreading hatred that claims to be religious, in the name of religion.
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em!
If the Christians want to completely ignore Jesus’ teachings about love (he said nothing about men with men, except for the one he loved), and they want to follow the ancient laws in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, then we should join them and do the same. I suggest…
– Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
– If a priest’s daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
– If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).
– Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
– Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)
And my favorite…
– Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
We’re obviously missing out on a lot of Bible-based homicidal fun.
Don’t forget disobedient children are also supposed to be killed.
Oh, they’d find some lame excuse to dismiss all of that of course because it would make life very uncomfortable for them, in fact impossible to live in the 21st century. It reveals what they’re all about, bigots, hypocrites and homophobic hate-mongers, the antithesis of what christianity is supposed to be about.
“can you imagine kissing another man?”
Perhaps he’s protesting just a bit too much?
Notice when he says this he goes back behind the lectern to hide his erection.
Ewwww. That image would make me lose mine!
Certainly can’t imagine kissing HIM. Yuk.
Jesus Christ would be so happy with him! He’s doing exactly what Jesus asked him and all Christian homo-haters to do – hate! He said hate and judge just the way I hated and judged the prostitute and the maligned in society. Jesus loves the haters…and killers!
Irony is lost on such people.
Hmm, I dare you to find any example in the Bible where Jesus loves people who hate.
Of course, you could be being sarcastic but that’s not how it comes acros – and a lot of folk who read the PN will have no knowledge of the adulterous woman whom Jesus refused to condemn and so think that Jesus did condemn her. This preacher is a disgrace to Christ.
It’s sarcasm… I’d like to believe most PN readers get it!
yeah, i think the sarcasm come across pretty clearly to anyone with a brain.
“….fly over and drop some food….”
Christian compassion in action.
He conveniently omits heterosexuals who can’t reproduce, the infertile or those women beyond child-bearing years.
What a disgusting excuse for a human being.
“It makes me pukin’ sick to think about,” he adds, “I don’t know whether or not to say this in the pulpit — can you imagine kissing another man?”
Let’s get you and others like you who claims to be anti Gay ,and get others who are ok with Gays ,and you all get to watch a mins worth of Gay porn ,let’s see who gets the most aroused .
Bring on Brent Corrigan and watch him look for somewhere to “spill his seed”
I have said many times eliminate religion and donations to religion organisations and will all have a way better world!!!!
Waiting for the schizophrenia defence to kick in.
For the whole State.
“…..they’ll die out…do you know why? They can’t reproduce!””….funny that…..i dont remember my parents being gay!! maybe they just kept it a secret all these years eh???
If he had said that in the UK, he would have been arrested for incitement to hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation under legislation that came into effect last year (Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008)
Why is the US so far behind in stamping out such incitement and making sure these people are seen for what they are – criminals?
Some states are able to deal with incitement to hatred due to orientation – some like North Carolina prefer to treat LGBT people as second class citizaens
Quite simply they are so far behind because the law makers tend to be backward thinking Christians and not change anything because they are frightened of failing to get re-elected and the cushy expenses they get with it.
The problem with that country is that the right to free speech is enshrined in the constitution and is taken to mean that hate speech is still free speech. That is the problem with America!
To Americans, free speech means something entirely different to how we view it over here in the UK where free speech has its limits.
This shows just how far the USA has to go before it becomes a mature democracy and evolves its notion of responsibility as the natural civic censor of free speech. Sadly, that won’t happen for a long time I would guess.
They already experienced it. And the so-called Patriot Act.
That was a reply to Joschka below
I always find it odd that some people assume ‘free speech’ means they can say what they like and get away with it, it doesn’t mean that, it means you can say what you like… But sometimes there’s consequences.
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
They already experienced it. And the ironically named Patriot Act.
It’s Sherrif J W Pepper from Live and Let Die!
This cretin would be arrested for incitement in a civilised country. He is so stupid and ignorant that it’s funny. He thinks gay people would die out if they couldn’t reproduce? He’s missing the point that most gay people are produced by heterosexual couples!
Another crap hole myself and othrs shall never go to. What a waste of space these people off
another day another hate preacher. christian hate preaching is a lucrative business in america and africa. basic rule is the more hate you preach the money you make
Forget actual homophobia – though it’s bloody difficult in this case – what sort of laws does NC have regarding public incitement to violence? Because this toad is sailing pretty close to it.
In the United States, hate speech is legal (except for obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, and fighting words). Laws prohibiting hate speech are unconstitutional in the United States; the United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.
Unless you’re Muslim…
According to the criminal code in North Carolina it is an offence to Use any language or gestures that are likely to incite violence or fighting – I suspect this case could be a breach of that law?
Perhaps someone from North Carolina should lodge a formal complaint with the law enforcement agencies there.
The legislation is here
Maybe somebody should just start a fight.
If every time one of these people did this a fight or even a riot kicked off, then they would be held responsible.
It might be a bit extreme, but I’m sure it would eventually have the desired effect.
Imminent – likely to occur at any moment; impending, ready to take place, etc
I wish it was punishable but it’s doubtful. We’ll have to see!
A dictionary definition and legal definition are not necessarily the same thing.
Sometimes law is defined by the common use explanation of the word – sometimes not.
Well, I have nothing to do with the law, so I wouldn’t know
Maybe someone should call up and ask
At least this debate is exposing these people for the sort of people they really are. The veil of well scrubbed niceness they like to present is being stripped away.
PS. If asked they would all say how much they love “freedom”:-) Not like them damn socialists.
“Can you imagine kissing some man”
(Long Pause. Licks lips.)
“My god I love you fellas…”
Lady, lady, lady, she doth protest too much.
Oooh look, an anti-gay republican/evangelical, I wonder how long before his gay sex scandal emerges.
North Carolina… Where it’s perfectly acceptable to marry your cousin… But same sex marriage is wrong.
Wow, disgusting. This man should be put in jail for his comments.
People wonder why we complain about bullying and homophobia in general. People wonder why we’re suicidal.
Next post I’m going to dissect his little sermon
And I’m sure I speak for a lot of us when I say we await your hypocritical post with baited breath
You certainly do. Funny how double standards can be so invisible to those who love them.
“Funny how double standards can be so invisible to those who love them.”
Or too stupid to see it.
Personally, that Lumi Bast makes me sick.
Couldn’t agree more.
Or too stubborn.
And I agree. One thing is to deal with homo/transphobic arseholes from the outside, but to have our own pet bigot running loose here… Urgh.
There’s nothing wrong with a woman marrying a woman or a man marrying a man.
The Bible and God have no place in the US government. 1st + 14th Amendment, Treaty of Tripoli.
If you have any sense, you have no problem with same sex marriage.
Queer is a slur. Idiot.
Even if you executed all of us in a horrible way like that, we’d still come back because homosexuality is caused by chemicals in the brain.
Yes, we can’t have children naturally, but many straight people can’t, and having children isn’t the be-all-end-all of something being natural or okay.
He’s not killing babies. He’s not even performing abortions, and abortions aren’t killing babies.
Plenty of men could imagine kissing some men, because they’re attracted to men. I as a lesbian could imagine it, but it doesn’t appeal to me and disgusts me, sorry ;P
This guy sounds like a closet case. I’m sure he imagines kissing men.
He’s sick, and the people cheering/being fine with it are sick.
(you know why)
My views on other subjects have nothing to do with this article. Leave that stuff for those articles, not here. This is a seriously horrible thing in the article and attacking me based on other stuff is unnecessary.
Your Transphobic views are the problem.
You can’t leave them at the door.
I already know my views on trans issues, you already know them. There’s no point in bringing them up because they’re not going to change/ Let’s leave the bickering for articles that actually have to do with something trans, and leave this article’s comments about this article. Thanks.
We know you know.
You know we know.
Well that goes to show you’re the mentally ill one! You need to let it go on articles that have nothing to do with it and stop being an obsessive freak. You’re just making trans activists look even crazier than they already are.
“You’re just making trans activists look even crazier than they already are.”
There you go again.
Well I’m attacked on articles and comments that have NOTHING to do with the subject. That makes you into a crazy and obsessive stalker freak.
No, it doesn’t. It means that we remember how you behave on those other subjects so we don’t feel inclined to take notice of what you say elsewhere. Your hate for trans is as vile as his homophobia.
It shows how you’re obsessive freaks who won’t leave me alone when I don’t bring the stuff up.
It’s not even close. There is NOTHING wrong with homosexuality or bisexuality, while there is something very wrong with denying a biological fact- sex. There is NOTHING wrong with being attracted to the same gender, while there is something wrong with pretending to be the other sex. There is something wrong with being offended when people aren’t attracted to trans people. There is something wrong with people saying “Die cis scum”. There is something wrong with people saying trans people are more important and deserve help more than LGB people. There is something wrong with trans people saying we’re priveleged just for being cis, even if we’re women, LGB, PoC. Etc.
“Leave that stuff for those articles, not here”
No. Its entirely relevant. You’re a hypocrite, a bigot, and you advocate hate towards the T in LGBT.
Its relevant on a gay site. Grow up.
Get a life Lumi. You are a sick individual who is no better than the twisted individual this article is about. And yes your views on Trans folk ARE relevent to all LGBT stories.
Wonderful post, Lumi. No, Really! Every time you post your nonsense I’m left incredulous as to just how much of a moron you are!
blame straight people they are the ones having all the gay babies.
From the Hebrew word רעה (roʿeh).
It is mentioned 173 times in the Old Testament and describes the feeding of sheep
Speech to incite violence is illegal in this country. Some smart lawyer (a gay one perhaps?) Needs to prefer charges against this hate monger for inciting violence.
It’s illegal only if the threat of violence is imminent
i) How is imminent defined? There still may be a case.
ii) The law in North Carolina states
“Under North Carolina law, there are several behaviors that could be constituted as “disorderly conduct.” Those include:
Refusing to leave an establishment after being ordered to do so
Disrupting any religious or burial service
Blocking access to a business or disrupting a business
Fighting or engaging in conduct that creates the threat of violence
Taking possession of a facility without permission
Using any language or gestures that are likely to incite fighting or violence
Disrupting a class or the operation of a school”
The black and white does not seem to place any specification on the time scale of the incitement or encouragement to violence. Unless you are aware of some other aspect to this law?
Interesting… I wonder if Phelphs or the people from Wesborough
Baptist church are likely to visit North Carolina?
It would make for an interesting situation!
> Refusing to leave an establishment after being ordered to do so
> Disrupting any religious or burial service
> Using language or gestures that are likely to incite fighting or violence.
State laws (left hand) Federal laws Right hand) Constitution… no wonder people are bewildered!
a prime example of the contradiction in link
imminent means likely to occur at any moment, about to occur, about to happen, looming, coming up, forthcoming, pending, impending etc
As I have said above – is that the dictionary definition or the legal interpretation in N Carolina?
Not necessarily the same.
Well you’re looking at the Bible Belt, and somewhere where there’s hardly any rights, if any, for gays, so I wouldn’t doubt it. Somebody should test this out, see if he can be punished by law
Well at least he’s honest about the fact he hates us rather than trying to invent some convoluted argument in order to try and deny us rights.
If there is anyone who should be sentenced to death, it would be this homophobe for calling death upon innocent gay men. People like him is the reason why gay kids are afraid to go to school and gay men being persecuted worldwide. People like him should be lobotomised.
Don’t you need a brain to be lobotomised?
ah he’s had some real good red-neck education there hasnt he… we of homosexual orientation are not a bloody different species!
In the United States, hate speech is legal (except for obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, and fighting words). Laws prohibiting hate speech are unconstitutional in the United States; the United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent
I wanted to post this in case people didn’t see it where I posted it. Sadly saying we should be executed is legal.
Is it legal to say members of a particular religious or ethnic minority should be executed?
I meant to thumbs up your comment, sorry :(
Yes, I believe so, unless the threat is imminent. But I believe that there would be far more backlash and action taken against people who say that about religious minorities, and especially ethnic/racial minorities. It’s much easier to get away with being homophobic.
That would be why you feel you are free to spout so much hate about transgender people.
I would NEVER say that trans people should be tied to a fence and electrocuted to death, that’s f’ing horrible. I would never advocate the harm or death of a trans person who hasn’t done anything to warrant it.
“I would never advocate the harm or death of a trans person who hasn’t done anything to warrant it.”
But forcefully “curing” them is okay, is it? This isn’t harm?
You’re a sick twisted hypocrite – its no wonder no one likes you, you can’t even get people on an anonymous internet site to like you, what chance have you in the real world.
And yet you harm trans people just about every time you stick your bigoted face in here.
There is no difference between physical harm and the harm you inflict by hurting people with your intolerably rude and uninformed comments.
Pain hurts, Lumi, although you only seem to think that comments directed at you are hurtful.
Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, employers may sometimes be prosecuted for tolerating “hate speech” by their employees, if that speech contributes to a broader pattern of harassment resulting in a “hostile or offensive working environment” for other employees
The First Amendment is not, of course, absolute. The Supreme Court has said that the government may ban fighting words or threats. Punishments may be enhanced for violent crimes prompted by race hate. And private institutions, including universities and employers, are not subject to the First Amendment, which restricts only government activities.
Given that hate speech is seen as an aggravating factor in racial cases. Given that hate crimes include sexual orientation as a protected group. It may be a test case, but it seems reasonable to argue that if particular hateful comments lead to an actual hate crime of violence etc then the hate speech can be seen as part of the blame and an aggravating feature.
Some US states include sexual orientation as a protected group – unfortunately not North Carolina – but I don’t doubt some spunky lawyer could have a go and argue a case.
Hmmm well in the Bible Belt I doubt anything would happen. If they actually tried to start that, that would be the only way IMO.
I still think it would be nice if he could be punished
Karma will take care of this pathetic creature Lumi.
Karma take care of the pathetic creatures on here who obsessively stalk my posts that have nothing to do with transgenderism and say horrible things about me, and compare me to homophobes
And for good reason. You should perhaps consider that people are tired of your slurs and offending comments about the T in LGBT that you also, offensively, seem unable to type.
You are as big a bigot as this lovely pastor. Although he’s more honest about it.
“say horrible things about me”
But they’re true. You ARE a disgusting, vile, repugnant, evil, twisted sick individual.
Get over it.
“and compare me to homophobes”
You ARE the same as a homophobes – prejudiced without any evidence, the statement you think people are “wrong” and “immoral” (religious terms, not ones of science),refusal to allow people the right to exist (dropping the T from LGBT).
The fact you can’t see this is irrelevant, its only confirms you have mental health issues – that and you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
“In the United States, hate speech is legal”
And that would be why you commit so much hate speech here against Trans people then is it? Think you’re allowed to get away with it, d you?
I wonder if Christian Fear will try and portray this monster as a victim.
I wouldn’t doubt it
THE CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECTUED!
It’s always the fault of the “homosexual” agenda
this is what god does to your brain people…take a good look
He’s just as barbaric as the Christian God is (maybe even less so), anybody who has read the Bible would see that.
You’re just as barbaric as the Christian God is (maybe even more so), anybody who has read the your comments would see that.
Did I drowned the earth in a flood killing humans and animals? Do I strike people down with a vengeance? Do I command people to sacrifice animals (or people)? Do I destroy entire towns? Do I command people to kill men who have sex with men? Do I command the stoning of people ? Do I say if a woman didn’t scream loud enough in rape it’s her fault? Do I approve slavery? Do I order that destruction of 60 cities so people can live there? Did I order the murder of all the a group of people, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married? Do I approve of bashing babies against rocks? Do I think women are less than men? Do I think the world was created in 6 days and is 6000 years old? Do I command the genital mutilation of baby boys?Did I send plagues to kill and entire group of people? etc…..
What I say is a fact and I have never done anything like that. I don’t even come close to comparing to the Christian God.
I can feel his hate and his anti-Christ preaching. His hate makes the LGBT Community grow stronger.
‘Can you imagine kissing another man?’ I don’t imagine, I do kiss other men and as often as I can.
He is a nuitter and a sick one at that.
This guy is an idiot, a bigot and a disgrace to the Gospel of Christ.
However, the title of the article is totally wrong. He wants to put us gays and lesbians behind an electrified fence where we’d be fed (how generous of him) but he did not call for the execution of gays and lesbians in the way that the article title states.
This is a shoddy writing job by the Pink News. Even when it concerns a fool such as this guy, reporting should be accurate.
He said “Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out.”
He’s advocating tying us to a fence, and electrocuting us, until we die. He’s advocating murdering us.
How many people do you think survived the concentration camps?
If we put heterosexuals in a confined zone, they would also die out. Why? Because they reproduce too much!
Lack of space > increasing population > no place for dead bodies > plagues spreads > death of population.
too much unprotected sex > many pregnant ladies + lack of medical professionals > pregnant ladies die at birth > women dies out > men dies out.
You see, being able to breed isn’t such a good idea.
It’s pronounced ‘againST’, not ‘again’!
And please go die in a fire Mr. Homophobe :-)
God is love?
Zephaniah 3: 6-10
1 Corinthians 6:9
I could list WAY MORE evil stuff in the Bible- approved or committed by your God, or its followers
If you wanted to play a game of pick and mix scripture then I could choose as many (if not more) that would disprove what you allege.
However, its not about playing pick and mix – is it? Its about the general overall message and lessons to be learned.
The Bible has very little (if anything) to say on homosexuality in my opinion. Many of the claimed references are falsely interpreted versions from the original text that do not in any way relate to homosexuality.
Overall it can be argued that there are six admonishments in the Bible to homosexuals (although none specifically condemning homosexuals). There are at least 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t love heterosexuals; it’s just that God realises they need closer supervision and restrictions to ensure their proper behaviour.
Christians still use the supposedly homophobic scriptures to discriminate against homosexuals/bisexuals, they still use it to say homosexuality is wrong, etc so until most don’t, it doesn’t matter the true meaning.
Besides the homophobic stuff, the Bible is still full of evil. It’s misogynistic, racist, controlling, and supports murder, pillaging, rape, infanticide – among many things. God has murdered hundreds, thousands, millions, billions itself.
If God doesn’t exist, how can he have murdered all these people?
God doesn’t exist. What I’m saying is in the Bible, God did many horrible things, murdered all those people or supported it all, it’s like any other fiction story. The flood, plundering enemies, etc.
The concept of God is, and the followers of God are, responsible for many deaths- domestic violence deaths, deaths due to “healing” quackery, Crusades, Inquisition, Witch Burnings, murders of Palestinians in Israel, the War on Terror, the Holocaust ….. the list goes on
But if he doesnt exist then he cant have done anything because he doesnt exist.
You can’t have it both ways.
Either he did these things because he exists or he doesnt exist and therefore could not have done these things … which is it?
God doesn’t exist.
I’m talking about a fictional character here. What this fictional character has done. It’s just like watching Criminal Minds and there being a serial killer, but worse. The serial killer is still evil and has murdered people. It’s just a made up story though.
I’m also talking about the commands this fictional character gives to people, and the atrocities committed in it’s name.
“I’m talking about a fictional character here
Then shut up going on about it.
“Besides the homophobic stuff, the Bible is still full of evil.”
Is this where you get your trans hate from?
People saying this isn’t God-like or whatever-
I suggest you read
-fyeahreligionpigeon (the f word instead of just f)
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I’m intrigued by how you qualify what happens on this forum to either of those definitions
Yes I am transphobic, cissexist, whatever. Continuing to comment on my comments ON ARTICLES AND COMMENTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING trans isn’t going to change that fact. We have to agree to disagree, you’re wasting your time and it’s pointless.
a person who harasses another person in an aggressive manner- sounds like some people on here!
“Continuing to comment on my comments ON ARTICLES AND COMMENTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING”
You have no place on a gay site, that’s why. The worst kind of bigot is a gay bigot, we should know better.
And we will continue to do so until you either go go stop your hate speech.
“Yes I am transphobic”
Pride in one’s bigotry can only means one of two things:- (1) stupid or (2) mentally retarded
Which are you Lumi?
Condemning any form of bigotry is entirely appropriate.
The respect and celebration of gender diversity is an integral part of a society that is based on the fulfillment of human rights.
Here is something anyone who feels trapped in their bigotry about transgender issues should read:
I don’t feel trapped, I love having my views on trans issues, and they won’t change.
Sex is a biological fact. You’re either female, male, or intersex, that can’t be changed. Gender identity disorder is a serious mental illness that should be treated, not enabled.
Bigot- somebody with strong opinions who refuses to accept different views = There’s nothing wrong with having strong views on something. I have strong views on serious lies and genital mutilation, among some things,
So, in other words you love being a bigot?
On the subject of transsexuality yes I am damn proud of my views and I love my views
“On the subject of transsexuality yes I am damn proud of my views and I love my views”
And thats why you’re on your own, bullied and utterly disliked, isn’t it? Ah, how about another boo-hoo story about why you’re a piece of excrement and no one liks you, no?
You don’t need equality, you need a therapist… and probably medication.
Then you’re a fool.
– a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
– Lumi Bast
perhaps if he’d read the real bible, the on that’s decades upon decades even centuries old. where God personally marries a gay couple. Where Jesus’ relations with each of his disciples was made clear. And where his special love for his disciple John was announced. You can not go around preaching a modern day re-write of a holy tome saying it’s the word of god. Because in fact it is not religious, it is political propaganda..
Interested to know when God married a gay couple as I haven’t heard that bit before?
I just noticed his abuse of President Obama, a black President, as a “homosexual lover”.
Isn’t this subliminally and deliberately close to that other term of abuse from the past used against the supporters of civil rights for blacks, ” n***** lover “.
This clarifies precisely what he is also appealing to in his audience.
You are absolutely right!
Things seem to be progressing quite well in North Carolina’s drive to become a cesspool of US rednecks — or is it a large one? It won’t be long now before Mississippi will be held up as a hotbed of “liberalism”. NC is giving all of us more and more reason to want to visit it. In fact, they should adopt the slogan “See North Carolina and Die – Literally”
Coming soon Part 2 entitled “I Said What I Said and I Meant It. But, in Case I Get Caught Saying What I Said, Then I Will Deny It Because I Didn’t Really Say It to Mean It The Way You Heard It.”
And Why He’s Being Victimised By The Gays, on the Chistian Fear website.
I know one thing for sure, and that is if there is a god and a heaven and by some fluke of luck I end up going there I wont be on the look out for this fella as I dont think he will be there.
By the laws of Karma he should be reborn as a black lesbian, to learn what it’s like.
The rhetoric of the Christian Right is getting increasingly violent and deranged. Just imagine having to live on the same street as vermin like this.
Do you know what homophobia is? It’s insecurity about being heterosexual.
Pashole, I mean pastor, who gives birth to future gay people?
They should put this sorry excuse of a human being in jail. With lots of men. *evil laugh*
Gosh, he’s actually talking about a concentration camp and the moronic followers are cheering him on. Aren’t people stupid. I still remember the roars of approval Thatcher got when she condemned gays at the Tory conference.
I can understand why he can’t imagine kissing a man … because he’s so flippin’ ugly, there’s no man in the world would want to kiss him.
Can I get a “Amen” to that?
Leaving off – just think of the closeted child brought to church by his/her family, who secretly struggles with his/her identity and sexuality, having to listen to a man rant and rave about how gays deserve to die alone and secluded from society. Does it get better for these children? Laura Tipton and activists similar to her show that yes, it does get better… or at least it will.
That is why they should be stopped. I nearly lost my Niece by suicide on this very forum due to a bigot that belittled her very existance, despite the fact she thought this was a space she could come too.
PS: PN editor His name was Keith etc etc etc etc.
Please pass details of your concerns to the Hackney Police Community Safety Unit
Wouldn’t this be categorized as a hate crime, inciting people to commit violence?
Unfortunately hate crime does not cover issues of sexual orientation in North Carolina.
Sometimes human excrement doesn’t get flushed. The pastor in question is an example of that!
Mail your comments to his home address!
3912 Williams St Maiden, NC 28650-8452
Is his email address – if it hasnt already been swamped taken down (as his facebook has!)
Closet gay! Studies have linked homophobic behaviour to closet homosexuality for a long time, over and over again. It makes sense: why would you hate a group of people who aren’t committing any crimes so much that you can’t stop thinking/talking about it? I have had homophobic thoughts at some point in ly life and that was the time I was discovering I was gay myself. I strongly disliked gay people because I hated my own feelings. I never wanted to be seen with a gay guy coz people might think I was gay too….if you don’t have gay feelings, you don’t care about these things! And you don’t go out of your way to show the world you hate gay people.
A nice step up from the gas chamber, isn’t it? What a lovely example of christianity at its best.
Its not Godwin’s law when someone actually behaves with the ideology of the ruling party in Germany circa 1933.
People like this that make others become atheists
Nearly everyday we’re being treated to an example and confirmation that we’re a nation of bigots – racists, homophobes – it’s a long list. You have to play connect the dots for a moment: How many people are in the congregation of this one man alone. How many affirmed his message? How many affirmed the message of Sean “crack that wrist” Harris? How many affirm a similar message each and every Sunday (or more) for which no recorded document exists?
Let those numbers multiply. The “six degrees” corollary certainly applies. One could drown in this cesspool of hate. One can also turn the clock back and imagine what these preachers and teachers were saying about African-Americans and “miscegenation”, the favorite racist code word of the 50s and 60s.
Remove or significantly dilute one source of hate via social action and another target appears to fill the void. If by our actions on forums such as this we are successful in improving the over all quality of living of our gay friends and
families, what’s next? All of us could probably fill in the blank with one of a myriad number of social “evils” for these leeches to attach themselves too. In fact, they already have. I wonder how they juggle which “evil” deserves the focus of their discerning eyes, especially when raking in the dough and “soul winning” takes up so much time.
Personally I blame some of this awful cacophony on ODS – “Obama Derangement Syndrome” and the drive off the cliff stupid that defines the obsession the Right has in removing him from office. It is 2012 and suddenly anti-contraception legislation is being written and passed. The War on Women is all too real and all that it engenders. The Pro Life message is not only louder, but more invasive. People are learning that their constitutional rights are exercised only at the discretion of the police and that many of their “exceptional” countrymen would rather they succumb to disease from lack of medical coverage rather than pay the few dollars extra
per year that would drive single-payer and otherwise, do their utmost to defeat HCR and the protection it affords to those with “pre-existing conditions”.
And our homosexual friends and family are now allowed to be cannon-fodder openly in the Armed Forces in order to further drive corporate profits, but in 30 States in the Union, they are still denied equal rights. Our children are killing themselves thanks to adults whose hatred and vilification has the “authority” of faith. Children have to rely on authority to live. The rebellion of children simply isn’t tolerated regardless of the reasons why. We live in a society that is much more comfortable with a news story of a child severly injured or killed by a parent or loved one than we are with a news story of a child involved in a physical altercation with same, even if it was in self-defense.
And all around us the civilized world plods ahead of us while the wingnuts try desperately to hold on to the notion of “American
Exceptionalism”. I live in Germany – a working Social Democracy. When I return to the States after my wife’s contract with the Government is up – about 4 1/2 years from now, I will come back bewildered because right now, I’m isolated from American madness by an ocean. I can only read and interact in forums such as this, on Facebook and by phone. But I’m not touched personally (or “in person”) by it. I don’t see it on the street-corner like I did last year. I continue in hoping that this experience in Europe will give me the ideas I need to enter public life in the US at some point. My only disappointment is that when and if I make that happen – I’ll be 55 years old. I hope that’s not too late in life to try to use my experience here and whatever resources at my disposal to try to do some small part in driving America to realize that striving to aspire to move beyond its delusion of being “exceptional” is its only hope of survival and maintaining any level of relevancy to its
neighbors, and protecting its citizens – ALL of its citizens at home.
I’m ranting, I know. I mean no shift of focus off-topic, especially to me. Our capacity to understand human suffering and develop social theory to address it outpaces our capacity to change society or its behaviors. Social change is a long and painful process. Faith is not irrational. It is no more irrational than Hope. Without Hope, we’re dead.
So write to this guy. Let his congregation know by way of social media that his message and its the bullying by peers and family that it confirms and supports, have human cost. Let them know that you will never accept it. Jesus never taught you to “turn the other cheek” and avoid “judging” someone committing a crime – people like this aid and abet others who actively bait, molest and physically injure the vulnerable.
I’m trying to keep up with contact info for this idiot and will borrow much from my letter to the school that hosts THIS idiot.
Jack Conklin, the teacher in the article above, has my current attention because he directly influences students and befriends them on his FB page – I consider him far more immediately threatening.
That said, both the pastor and the teacher need to be tackled.
The letter I sent to this “Pastor”:
Pastor (and I use that title very lightly),
Last I checked, it is against 501(c)3 law to use the pulpit to further a particular political agenda, so let’s hope no one in charge of your nonprofit status sees your recent video. But this is not my primary reason for writing.
I’m a gay man. I’m a Christian. And I’m married to my partner. And just as you shared your disappointment with our president, I share mine in you as a brother in Christ, as a fellow clergy person, and as a member of the human race. To suggest the segregation of LGBT persons (you said lesbians, queers, and homosexuals so I presume you meant the whole gamut of us) for the purpose of killing us off is despicable.
I don’t know what Jesus you profess belief in or serve, but it is most certainly not the Jesus I know the Gospel to proclaim, who by the way never once spoke against homosexuality. Last I checked, he said things like love one another as I have loved you, do to others as
you’d have them do to you, and judge not or else you will be judged in the same manner in which you judge.
It saddens me to see clergy propagating hatred and malice and sheer bile, yet you did so with a particular lack of eloquence. Usually such anger only comes from those who experience shame for feeling and experiencing that which they fear. So I pray this.
I pray and abundance of love on you from every last gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, and queer person who dares reach out to you. I pray for your heart to be softened. And I pray for you to encounter the true Jesus and the radical, non discriminating, fully inclusive love that he embodies. And most of all, I pray God’s mercy on you for leading God’s children astray and being a stumbling block to those against whom you speak. May you know true love, peace, and grace.
Providence Road Baptist Church
PO Box 507
Maiden, NC 28650
Church Telephone: 828-428-2518
Maiden, North Carolina Police Department
Chief of Police
North Carolina Department of Justice
Oh and surely this is provoking terrorism against LGBT people so:
Please EVERYONE contact and voice your concern about public safety of LGBT people in N Carolina and wider afield after his pastors call to arms.
And we all HAVE TO fight back, and be fighting ALL THE TIME, to ensure people like fellow, in countries all over the world, including our own, don’t get the upper hand. WE have to keep the upper hand, or we are f@@ked.
I don’t believe I have ever seen hatred so chilling as captured on this video.
Providence Road Baptist Church = Westboro Baptist Church. Maybe we should put an electrified fence around North Carolina and move all the decent people out and banish all the bigots there. When they end up with no one to hate they will turn their guns upon themselves.
I recognise that on the subject of homosexuality that myself and most PN readers disagree.
However, after listening to this clip, I can only sympathise with the feelings expressed in these comments. That preacher was out of order!
I am not surprised that you disagree with this particular preacher – and thank you for agreeing that his comments are completely and utterly wrong.
They are not unique comments, John.
It is something LGBT people experience reasonably frequently.
Some people who are Christian extremists say we complain about “hurt feelings” – well, seeing this example (which as I say is not uncommon) probably highlights how wrong homophobia is.
yes Stu, I agree – and no, however much I try to empathise, I have not experienced the type of abuse LGBT people experience that you refer to.
While, I unapologetically try to base my views on biblical interpretation, I regret (ok reject might be better) the type of attitudes of this preacher, which goes toward polarising positions rather than seeking common ground and respectful discussion.
“That preacher was out of order!”
Out of order?
No, someone that makes a facetious remark, that’s out of order. Broken toilets are out of order.
People who call for the death and murder of people are not “out of order”, they need to be monitored and medicated by medical practitioners. This kind of talk is not out of order, its borderline lunacy.
Will, I know we have had robust exchanges in the past but sometimes you should realise trying to say what you want in the most effective way that doesn’t offend unduly and is true to what you think is difficult especially as I recognise that whatever I say in this particular forum might upset a number.
Actually, I have found I agree with many things gay folk feel strongly about and wouldn’t it be nice if we could have that guiness (ok you are an irishman that doesn’t drink that beverage) and talk normally. In fact “out of order” is inadequate to describe how I view this preacher’s comments – so here goes for a second time – He was cruel, unloving, unbiblical, hateful, insensitive to use but five adjectives.
“He was cruel, unloving, unbiblical, hateful, insensitive to use but five adjectives.”
That I can accept, and any true human being (or true Christian, for that matter) would agree.
“Can you imagine kissing a man?”
Yes frequently :).
This man is clearly very, very repressed and that sentence showed it.
you are just a hater and the bible says do not judge no one and that is what you are doing and one more thing you say this sh** and you do not know who is in your church
Queers AND homosexuals? Wow, that’s covering all bases…
Seriously, who actually says ‘aginnit’…