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First transgender ‘Miss Universe Canada’ pageant contestant misses out on title

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  1. Sorry she did’nt win.
    Getting as far as she did is fantastic,and the decision to open the event to transgenber contestants worldwide is even better.
    First class.

    1. Paddyswurds 21 May 2012, 3:22pm

      Once she had won the right to reenter she should have walked away.. She never stood a chance after the furor of her initial entry…..

  2. I read elsewhere that she did win the Miss Congeniality Award.

    Good for her.

    1. Same, I am now confused as to whether she did or didn’t

  3. Who cares.

    Beauty pageants are horrifically sexist, absurd and misogynistic.

    What strange ambitions this contestant had.

    She transitioned in order to become a lump of meat who gets judged by how she looks in a swimsuit.

    Utterly ridiculous.

    1. At least the contests will be a bit less boring.

    2. How did you get that from the article? She said it was her dream to enter, but also that she has always known she was a girl. They are two separate matters. She changed her body to reflect her true gender. Once that happened she was also able to fulfill a dream. I say more power to her. Not all of us get to fulfill our dreams – one of mine is to go to space, which is incredibly hard to accomplish.

      As for the sexism of pageants, that’s a complex matter. Many of the audience use them as cheap voyeurism, this is true. But many of the contestants enter because they are proud of themselves and wish to show the world. In that way, it’s no different than wearing skimpy clothes on a beach, parading yourself on tv and so on. If people want to enter them, fine, let them.

    3. theotherone 21 May 2012, 8:22pm

      you can’t expect everyone to be a gender warrior now can you?

  4. Still not a woman

    So anyways, beauty pageants are horrible. Very misogynistic, objectifying. In my opinion, most aren’t attractive either. I’d take a hot athlete over some beauty pageant woman any day.

    1. most of the women*

    2. She’s post op. She thinks like, looks like, has the parts of – so IS a woman. You can hate all you want, doesn’t change the truth. You’re as bad as those who attack us for being homo or bisexual.

      1. If he doesn’t have XX chromosomes, she’s not a woman. I don’t hate him.

        He is a man, he can pretend he’s a woman all he wants, but it doesn’t change biology. He will ALWAYS be a man.

        1. “she” needs to be in quotes ;D

          1. What the hell would you know? We don’t ask trash like you for scientific opinions….. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Your just an angry fool.

          2. You’re either female, male, or intersex

            “Jenna” is a man and always will be, nothing can change his chromosomes and he’ll never have the proper body

          3. Shows how stupid you are, doesn’t it?

            Gender identity disorder exists and is scientifically recognised, regardless of your bigotry. You’re bigotry is a product of your lower IQ. This has been scientifically established – http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/198971.html “there is a significant correlation between prejudice, low intelligence and conservative ideology”

            On top of that, you’re just a truly awful individual. There’s a reason you’re alone in life and always will be, and its not homophobia.

          4. GID is a DISORDER that should be CURED, not enabled

            Like I said, I have a 160 IQ, I was tested. Not online, an official test. I’m also mostly liberal, except for some things.

            Well, guess what? I know I’m alone, I know nobody cares about me. And it hurts. I hate being alone because of my sexual orientation. THAT IS WHY I’M ALONE. People cared about me before, now since I came out, not one person cares.

          5. “Like I said, I have a 160 IQ, I was tested.”#

            You were tested all right, and it wasn’t for IQ points. You’re a lair and a fool. The fact you need to keep saying 160 only means you know its not true. NO surprise there. All bigots are less intelligent than those who are not.

            “GID is a DISORDER that should be CURED, not enabled”

            The same way lesbians needs to be cured? That’s a disorder too.

            Get out of her, you sick b1tch.

          6. I’m not a liar. Those were the results. If I was going to make it up, I would say 180, or something like that. I don’t care what you say, I know what I scored.

            Homosexuality isn’t a disorder, GID is a disorder

            Homosexuality is being attracted to the same gender, GID is believing you’re the other gender

            Changing your gender is a choice, homosexuality is not. I never mutilated my body to become homosexual. I never took hormones to become homosexual.

          7. “I never mutilated my body to become homosexual.”

            But your mind is mutilated, you’re a lair and a disgusting individual.

            Please, just go away, you make me sick.

          8. Guess what? I don’t care.

            And you make me sick

          9. “And you make me sick”

            I’m not bigot. I’d never lower myself to that level. So who cares what you think? You’re a basket case liar and a bigot. I find that quite disgusting.

            Run along, no-one’s interested in your lies and desperate attempts to get validation for your hate speech.

          10. I’m not lying…..

            And I don’t care what you think, I’ll still comment if I want to

          11. Lumi, you’re free to comment, but you’re not free to have your ill thought out comments shown up as bigotry, are you? Free speech is not impunity from challenge.

          12. “Well, guess what? I know I’m alone, I know nobody cares about me. And it hurts. I hate being alone because of my sexual orientation. THAT IS WHY I’M ALONE. People cared about me before, now since I came out, not one person cares.”

            Really?! Is that why you’re so hateful to trans people?!

            Maybe you’re alone because you have some bloody awful opinions?

          13. “I hate being alone because of my sexual orientation.”

            I don’t know anyone who is alone because of their sexual orientation. Even in a narrow minded bible belt community you must have SOME friends. I don’t believe you are THAT alone. I think you like to play the victim card.

            I think you are alone because you are a nasty minded little bigot and I am getting bored with your twisted view of how things really are.

          14. Yes, GID should be cured. Guess what the cure is – to change the individuals body to match their gender. It isn’t a personality thing, but literally a biological one. Studies have found that individuals with GID literally feel (just as we feel we are bisexual or gay or lesbian… or a troll like you) they are in the wrong body. The *only* solution is to bring the body and mind into alignment.

        2. How do you know what chromosomes she has?

          Vile troll!

        3. Carl the second 22 May 2012, 4:45pm

          Wow, you really ARE that narrow-minded, aren’t you? Gender dysphoria is a known, provable, medical condition. It isn’t “pretending”, it is using man-made methods to enable a persons physical gender to match the gender of the person inside the body (individuals with Gender Dysphoria feel that they are in the wrong body, just as gay men feel that they are gay, lesbians feel that they are lesbian, bisexuals feel that we are bisexual and so on).

          By narrowly saying “unless they have xx chromosomes they’re a man, you are indulging in the exact same bigotry and hatred that resulted in a 16 year old girl being assaulted for kissing her girlfriend on a train. You’re the same type of scum as the person who perpetrated that attack.

          Also, where does your position leave intersex/hermaphrodite individuals? Are they “freaks” or “things” to you? It must be awful for you, being such a hateful, narrow minded person.

    3. ironically, you’re not a woman either, you’re a filthy animal.

      You should not worry about choosing between models or athletes, neither would touch a bigot like you.

      1. I’m a biological female, and I’m an adult, therefore I’m a woman

        I’ve been with two women, and I’m perfectly capable of finding another woman. I wouldn’t want to date a woman that supported transgenderism/transsexualism anyways, I want a woman who shares the same views on important things!

        1. Karl is right: you’re an animal, not a woman.

          1. I’m not an animal, I’m a human being
            I’m a woman, because I belong to the female sex and I’m an adult

            And you have the audacity to call me stupid

            What’s animalistic is mutilating your body and lying about your sex

          2. “I’m not an animal, I’m a human being”

            You’re not a human being. You’re an animal. An animal who is a lair and a bigot.

            “And you have the audacity to call me stupid”

            You are stupid, Its scientifically established:- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html“people who score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood”

            Ergo, you’re stupid. Live with it liar. Oh, sorry with your “160 IQ points” – LOL!

        2. theotherone 21 May 2012, 8:41pm

          ‘I wouldn’t want to date a woman that supported transgenderism/transsexualism anyways, I want a woman who shares the same views on important things!’

          I live with a woman (have done for years now) who’s the opposite of me in most respects – she’s a Royalist, I’m a Republican, she votes Tory, I don’t, she’s upper middle class. I’m Council Estate trash.

          I like that she’s so different from me, I’d be bored otherwise (though trying to get her not to celebrate the royal thingie this year is a challenge.)

          1. Well some things I can’t compromise on

            I could never date a woman who is religious (VERY few exceptions), pro trans, anti-women’s rights, anti science, some other things. Values matter to me in a partner, sorry.

            We don’t have to be the exact same, but having similar views is very important to me, especially on some subjects

          2. You are stupid, Its scientifically established:- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html – “people who score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood”

          3. Like I said, dumbass, it says unintelligent people are more likely to be prejudiced, it doesn’t say all prejudiced people are unintelligent. Smh

          4. “it says unintelligent people are more likely to be prejudiced”

            You = prejudiced

            Prejudiced = Unintelligent people

            Therefore, you = unintelligent

            Its quite simple, “dumbass”.

            160? LMAO! Sure it is. You thick f***.

        3. Jenna Talackova is more woman than you’ll ever be, Lumi Bast(ard)

          1. No, Jenna has XY chromosomes, therefore he will never be female

            I am a biological female, and an adult, therefore I am a woman. I also don’t lie about my gender.

          2. “I am a biological female, and an adult, therefore I am a woman. I also don’t lie about my gender.”

            But you’re an awful example of a human being, so therefore Jenna is a better person than you. And that makes her a better woman than you. I’d say a lot of people hate you very much.

          3. Besides my views on trans issues you don’t know me. Jenna could be a horrible person, and you wouldn’t know that, I doubt you know Jenna personally.

            People around here hate me mostly because I’m lesbian, partly because I’m not conventional looking (masculine, alternative dress sometimes), and atheist. I would still hold my views, but if I lived in a more accepting place, I wouldn’t be such a bitch and I’d probably not comment on trans articles if I had more to do.

          4. “Besides my views on trans issues you don’t know me. Jenna could be a horrible person, and you wouldn’t know that, I doubt you know Jenna personally.”

            We know enough about you rto see what an awful person you are. hateful and bigoted. Thats enough form me to make a fairl;y sound call on what you’re like.

            “People around here hate me mostly because I’m lesbian, ”

            No, because you’re bigot. That’s a disgusting trait.

            “but if I lived in a more accepting place, I wouldn’t be such a bitch and I’d probably not comment on trans articles if I had more to do.”

            Oh, don’t make me laugh! You were picked on so now you’re a bigot???? Sweetie, remember where you are:- We are gay, we are all familiar with bigotry. The difference is we do not become bigots ourselves.

            Grow up. The boo-hoo stuff is as pathetic as your prejudice is disgusting.

        4. Carl the second 22 May 2012, 4:47pm

          You may be a human female, but you’re not a person. You’re a monster. A hateful, narrow-minded, nasty, bigoted piece of garbage.

        5. Hard enough meeting a lesbian in the bible belt, you want one who is a small minded bigot like yourself? Perhaps you DO have a problem finding the right person!

          But don’t expect anyone to sympathise with you.

    4. You are still not polite either!!, but that does not stop you posting and spewing hatred against trans people.

      Also you are objectifying the “hot” athlete as much as the people watching the pageants!!!!

      In all honesty most of us have heard your opinion and it’s does not really count for anything. You have to love the Internet, the great wall to hide behind.

      There have been several other articles that receive constructive critism and as usual you choose the trans one to spew you hatred out of, try being constructive and being part of the community rather than against it, we have enough of that from everyone else there isn’t much difference between you and all the other hate groups can condem LGBT people.

      1. I watch sports for talent. If women happen to be hot, it’s a bonus. What I was saying is athletic/sport women are my type. Some people like models, some people like athletes.

        1. “Some people like models, some people like athletes.”

          And some people are disgusting animals, like you. You should go to a Republican party Convention, you deserve to be there….

        2. And some people are disgusting stalker freaks who don’t leave me alone and feel the need to comment on almost everything I say on here, and call me horrible names, even when it’s on articles (and comments) that have nothing to do with it

          If you hate me so much, then don’t comment on my comments, don’t read them! It’s simple

          I would NEVER go to a Rep convention, because I wouldn’t support a Christian, anti women, anti LGB, pro war, anti environment party, thank you! I don’t have a party, I’m an independent, and closer to the liberal side (although somewhere near the middle)

          1. “If you hate me so much, then don’t comment on my comments, don’t read them! It’s simple”

            No, that’s what you want, isn’t it bigot? To be allowed to spout your vile hate speech unopposed?

            Not going to happen.

            You deserved to be called out for your hate speech every time And I will do that. Have a good think as to why -12 thumbs down on your comment…. you have an IQ of 160, so it should be easy! LOL! What a joke you are.

            “I would NEVER go to a Rep convention,”

            Why not? You deserve to be there. With the other bigots.

          2. I have -12 on my comment because 12 people are too stupid to know what biological sex is

            No. Because I’m atheist, I support women’s rights, I’m lesbian and I support LGB equality, I don’t deny climate change, I’m anti war, etc. I don’t agree with most Republican policies, I’m more on the Democrat side

            But guess what? I get your point. I know you hate me. I know you probably want me to die. But harassing me on here isn’t going to change my views. If anything, it’s solidifying them even more. I would never want to be on the side of people like you.

          3. “I know you hate me. I know you probably want me to die”

            Oh grow up you egocentric freak. Why would I want an anonymous fool of a person on the internet to die? We’re not all as mad as you.

            I hate your bigotry, its revolting. I despise your refusal to educate yourself. You’re disgrace to our fight for equality, you do not deserve equality.

            “I would never want to be on the side of people like you.”

            Good. Very good. None of US are on your side, you’re alone on this one. The was all bigots end up alone. You are truly a vile individual, and I pity you enormously.

            I’ve had enough. You’re beyond redemption. But I will not let you away with your hate on trans people on this site. When you appear, I will be here to remind everyone of your hate speech! So get f*****G over it!

          4. Lumi, you are harping on about someone calling you names but doing the full 100% poor me act, and you expect others to let you write such hateful things on a gay site? What did you expect to happen, we’d all love you? You give all gay people bad name. You’ve got real issues, I suggest you get the help you need.

          5. I will ALWAYS hold my views so have fun with it ;)

          6. “I will ALWAYS hold my views so have fun with it ”

            That alone is a clear sign of a mental heath issue. Alice may be right on the bi-polar.

            Still does not excuse your bigotry and lies, does it?

    5. Lumi, what a revolting individual are. You have no place on this site, why not f….off to a Christian site or a some other religious bullsh.t place where you can share your hate. I have no doubt you are neither gay or a member of the LGBT community.

    6. Lumi, enough. You’re fooling no one. Bigot scum like you had no place here.

    7. FFS change the record Lumi Bast. If you can say anything positive about trans women then keep your hands off the keyboard.

      1. Hey guess what? I can type if I want to!

        I don’t care what trans people or their allies think! The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

        1. You’re a f….ing idiot. How that for truth?

          Your lower IQ is responsible for your bigoted nonsense.

          1. I actually have a 160 IQ, thank you

            You know who’s an idiot? People that think trans people are the gender they pretend to be

          2. IQ of 160??? LOL! You’re as much a f*****g liar as you are a bigot.

            You’re bigotry is a product of your lower IQ. This has been scientifically established – http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/198971.html “there is a significant correlation between prejudice, low intelligence and conservative ideology”

            The need you have to lie to excuse your disgusting prejudices is not very surprising – You clearly have mental; health issues.

          3. I’m not lying. I was official tested. I don’t care what you say or believe, some loser on the internet’s opinion doesn’t matter to me

            I have depression and most likely anxiety disorder/panic attacks, yes, but that’s it

            I’m against transgenderism because it’s WRONG. What’s of low intelligence is how people don’t understand you will always be your biological sex and that can’t be changed- it’s simple!

          4. “some loser on the internet’s opinion doesn’t matter to me”

            You mean like the same loser who spots hate speech like “GID is a DISORDER that should be CURED, not enabled”?

            Yeah right.

            “I have depression and most likely anxiety disorder/panic attacks, yes”

            More lies.

            “I’m against transgenderism because it’s WRONG”

            Its not. Science disagrees with you. Ergo, you’re an right wing idiot incapable of understanding the evidence.

            “it’s simple!”

            To you perhaps. Because we’ve established you’re stupid.

          5. I’m not lying about my depression, and anxiety/panic attacks, it’s a serious issue

          6. “I’m not lying about my depression, and anxiety/panic attacks, it’s a serious issue”

            That’s only part of the problem, and a boo-hoo story. The reality is you’re desperate for attention and there is medically something very wrong with you.

            So, what is it? Bi-polar as Alice says, schizophrenia?

          7. Lumi missed out the decimal point – it’s IQ is 16.0

    8. Lumi, what’s the point of leaving a transphobic messgae on a website designed for the LGB and TRANS community? You are just causing hurt. Nothing else. You are similar to the homophobic trolls that leave messages. Except you are transphobic. Of course you are entitled to your views, but why share them? To do so is just nasty and bigoted. Next time you see a story for the trans community, just ignore it if you have nothing good to say about it, and show a little bit of dignity and respect to people you don’t understand.

      1. I understand it. I understand they’re lying about their gender because they’re mentally ill.

        I’m not going to leave it alone, because I’m sick of hearing about it. I’m sick of these people trying to join in on the LGB community. I’m sick of being attacked because I’m not interested in having sex with or dating a trans woman or trans man.

        1. “I understand they’re lying about their gender because they’re mentally ill.”

          You’re mentally ill. You’re compulsive lying and entrenched prejudice are symptoms. You need to get medication.

          1. I’m not lying about anything

            Trans people are lying about their gender, and they’re the one with a mental disorder that makes them think they’re another sex

          2. Nope, its you. You’re clearly mentally balanced, a compulsive lair and and idiot incapably of understanding science.

            You are stupid, Its scientifically established:- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html – “people who score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood”

            Live with it.

          3. It says people of low intelligence are more likely to develop prejudiced beliefs, I doesn’t say all prejudiced people have low intelligence

            I’m also not conservative, I just have a few conservative views

            I also haven’t lied about anything, you’re just making stuff up now

            I understand science, There’s female, male, and intersex. That can’t be changed. I understand that GID is a disorder, and disorders should be treated, and not enabled.

          4. “I doesn’t say all prejudiced people have low intelligence”

            Really? So you admit you’re a prejudiced bigot?

            Well done.

            But you’re wrong. Earlier studies have found links between low levels of education and higher levels of prejudice. You have prejudiced beliefs. Therefore you ahve these as a produce of a low IQ (not 160, sweetie, that’s just the madness talking!)

            “I understand that GID is a disorder”

            This shows you gross ignorance in the area. You understand nothing. Goes back to the above point, low levels of education = higher levels of prejudice. You’re thick b1tch.

          5. Thank you Karl! You got in before me, but precisely put.

          6. I do not think Lumi is capable of hearing what that article says, you’re both wasting your time. Its clear there are other issues at work here in her mind.

        2. @ Lumi Bast(ard) – EVERYONE ELSE says its LGBT – so its you who are not part of the LGBT. LGBT means no hate speech and tolerance to all others, you exhibit neither. I bet you’re not even a lesbian, just another messed up drunk who comes in here to spout their hate speech. All you do is strengthen our resolve against right wing fundamentalists like you.

          1. No, not everyone else. Many people share my views. It’s LGB, because T has nothing to do with sexual orientation. I belong to the community of non heterosexuals.

            Nope, I’m a lesbian. 100% homosexual woman here :)

          2. “Many people share my views”

            Who exactly? Put your money where your filth mouth is, you dumb cretin.

          3. “Nope, I’m a lesbian. 100% homosexual woman her”

            I find that very hard to believe. No real self-respecting lesbian would be so prejudiced and so quick with such disgusting hate speech on a gay site.Its really appalling. And then you go on about an IQ of 160??????? I don’t think so. Sorry, you’re a troll or a fraud.

          4. I don’t care what you believe, I’m still 100% lesbian. Me being exclusively attracted to women has nothing to do with my views on trans issues.

            I also still scored that on an IQ test. I’m not trolling, if I was going to troll, I’d say a higher score than that.

          5. Yeah right Liar bast(ard). I’ve had enough of your lies and excuses.

          6. You can deny my IQ results, but no matter what I’m still homosexual

          7. “but no matter what I’m still homosexual”

            A poor excuse for one. And you wonder why no one likes you. Isn’t it obvious by now? You have no worries on equality, Lumi, you’ll never need to marry….

  5. Jenna looks great. I’m so pleased she managed to fulfil her wish in spite of some bigots.

  6. I think Lumi is suffering from some mental health issues, I suggest Will and others refrain from challenging her, difficult as it is to listen to her hurtful comments. I do not think she is full control of her faculties, the lying and the appeal for pity is very typical bipolar.

    Its best we leave her alone.

    1. I agree in principle, however at what point do we draw the line on bigots and their hate speech? Even the small issue of her leaving the T off LGB infuriates me. Its such a awful, nasty thing for her to do.

      1. “Even the small issue of her leaving the T off LGB infuriates me.”

        I agree with Alice, but Oonai, you’re spot on – it really pisses me off that she comes in here and then nonchalantly degrades Trans people like she does, and then gives a big boo-hoo story so we all feel sorry for her? Its disgusting. And yes, it should be challenged every time.

        1. I googled her, its not just here.
          Twitter,Queerty and others.She gets slammed everywhere.

          1. I’m not surprised Batmanz. I do wonder why she tries to spout that garbage on so many gay sites, given her bigotry is not tolerated? The only logical answer is some form of acute mental health issue – Alice is probably right on the bi-polar, the endless appeals for pity is very disturbing and very creepy. It just shows, any mad fool can get access to the internet these days.

    2. alice, I agree with you on one level, but disagree, too. For one main reason – if we DON’T challenge her transphobia then we hurt trans members of our community here by default for NOT challenging her. I would like trans people to understand that Lumi is alone in these foul views.

  7. If any plastic surgery at all is allowed for contestants, than she should be allowed to compete. If they don’t allow plastic surgery, then she has to accept that. No gender bias of any kind actually involved, *then*.

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