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Woman jailed for train attack on 16-year-old lesbian

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  1. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 10:34am

    Six weeks?
    That’s hardly enough time to need to bring a change of clothes.

    The courts are frightened of longer custodial sentences because we haven’t got the space. About time we stopped building more council house sink estates and started building more prisons.

    1. Paula Thomas 18 May 2012, 10:56am

      You have to remember that this type of offence normally attracts a fine.

      Also which paper do you read? Daily Mail? that is the only place I can imagine you got the idea that council houses are still being built in any significant numbers.

      1. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 2:15pm

        Well there is certainly talk of more social housing, but none about more prisons.

        1. Two new prisons very recently HMP Birmingham and HMP Featherstone 2

    2. chris lowercase 19 May 2012, 1:05am

      im currently sleeping on a floor because there isnt enough social housing. i get at best three hours a night. please dont bring class into this (darling ;) )

      1. Spanner1960 20 May 2012, 12:20pm

        Nothing to do with class. More to do with public funds.
        We cannot let criminals walk our streets because we cannot afford to lock them up.

    3. The increase in homelessness linked to austerity is marked.

      There is a genuine need for increased levels of social housing.

      Investing in social housing would create jobs and investment (as would building prisons). However, creating social housing also makes more people more easily able to obtain employment (having a permanent address is helpful!) and due to investment that stimulates the economy, the opportunities to achieve employment would occur.

      This sort of incident is horrific but should not be used to castigate those who are rendered homeless due to government austerity and callousness. We are not all in this together.

  2. R. Danny Lodder 18 May 2012, 10:42am

    SIx weeks is not enough. Miss James should undergo some sort of psychiatric treatment as well to help her get rid of her homophobia.

  3. A big butch lesbian needs to take this homophobe under their wing and teach her a thing or two.

    1. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 2:16pm

      Who said she was big or butch?
      Following the stereotypes again are we?
      I suppose had it been a wimpy little effeminate bloke it would have been OK.

      1. Read the comment again…, a ‘big butch lesbian’ needs to teach [the perpetrator] a thing or two’ … nothing to do with the victim’s taking revenge… still a horrible thing to suggest

  4. This woman committed a physical attack – motivated by hate – against a CHILD. In what sad world is six weeks in jail the appropriate sentence for beating up a kid unprovoked?

    I hope at the very least her six weeks include a rehabilitation element (educational program in diversity or similar)…okay, and perhaps a few run-ins with some tough prison dykes who don’t take too kindly to child-beaters ;)

    1. True.

      The starting point for this offence, as is correctly stated above would be a fine. This goes beyond the next couple of options – community based sentencing or suspended sentence and direct to jail.

      Would I prefer a longer sentence? You bet!

      Is this still a significant sentence given sentencing guidelines? Yes

  5. Paddyswurds 18 May 2012, 10:53am

    The homophobic bully got her comeuppance but six months would have been more appropriate. however I also have issues with the young Lesbians mother who seems to be under a mistaken impression that her daughter has made a choice to be lesbian, when she said ““I’m immensely proud of my daughter and the choice she has made ……” and also “be who they want to be” Number one the girl hasn’t made a choice to be a lesbian, it is how she was born, and number two she is who she is , not who she “wants” to be….. Clearly her mother need educating on homosexuality. I am surprised that whoever the interviewer was didn’t put her straight.

    1. I agree a longer sentence would have been more of a deterrent (Both to other potential offenders and to this individual from repeat offending).

    2. I took her “choice” to mean the choice to press charges

    3. But she has made the choice to be open, authentic and fearless. Not easy at 16.

      And she could well have made the choice to push forward with her complaint and see it through.

      Given that the mother seems supportive and comfortable with her LGBT daughter, I would be wary of taking that statement any further without greater context.

      1. I agree with Valksy, I think the mother could well have been talking about her daughter’s choice to come out and was not necessarily implying that she made a choice to become gay. She seems like an enlightened and supportive mother who has been there for her daughter to help her through what must undoubtedly have been a very difficult time.

    4. i took her ‘choice’ to mean being honest about herself. As the girl is quoted in the article, it took her a long time to be comfortable in her sexuality. Coming out and being open about our sexuality, to the point of sharing a kiss on a train, IS a choice. No one has to do those things. I see no indication at all that the mother meant choosing to be homosexual. The context of the post is very vague, leading to reader interpretation, but given the rest of the mothers comments that are full supportive of her daughter, your interpretation doesn’t feel right.

    5. Paddyswurds 18 May 2012, 3:35pm

      Y’all could be right..Perhaps I was too quick to see the negative

    6. dont want to say 23 May 2012, 7:23pm

      i am the girl who was this girls girlfriend. what her mum meant was she was proud of the her choice to take things further and press charges and go to court because both of us were really nervous about doing it.

  6. balloonable 18 May 2012, 11:02am

    6 weeks is actually quite a long time to be in jail. I can’t imagine how terrified I’d be by that sentence, and spending 42 days locked up with strangers. It isn’t long compared with longer sentences (obviously) but it probably is long enough to be a punishment/deterrent and to stop the offender doing it again.

    1. But being sentenced to 6 weeks actually means you spend three weeks in prison and three on licence. Not that three weeks locked up isn’t a deterrent, but she will likely have a cushy time in an open prison with a TV and games console, three meals a day and all paid for by the taxpayer.

      1. Its not an automatic 50% reduction.

        The person in prison has to demonstrate good behaviour, be recommended for reduction in custodial period and show an acceptance of what they did.

        They may serve the entire sentence.

        That said, it is possible they could serve just over 3 weeks.

  7. Nathan Thomas 18 May 2012, 11:19am

    What a coward the attacker was to set upon a 16 yr old girl when she was 20 yrs old and with 5 friends.

    Enjoy your time in prison.

  8. Fortunately we have not reached the point in theocracy where kissing in a public place is deemed offensive or a criminal offence.

    Hate speech is and assault (whether motivated by hate or not) is very much an offence.

  9. Butt plug, sometimes I wonder how you manage to get the sum right in the little pink box….

    1. probably asks his boyfriend for the answer

      1. That was not meant for there. I was answering Batmanz question as to how the Buttplug gets the sum right

  10. Do you really think a lot of heterosexuals are likely to see this “advice”?

    Do a lot of those who are “moral” spend a lot of their time on sites for LGBT individuals or is it just a few special individuals, like yourself, who feel the need to do that?

  11. If you must troll, at least try and fix your keyboard for next time.

  12. Big beaker of cheap cider next to the keyboard, Keith?

  13. The other four are not mentioned until the end and nothing is said about their role.
    What did they do and should they have been charged with something?

    1. dont want to say 23 May 2012, 7:25pm

      they did pretty much the same as april and charges were pressed but it couldnt be taken further for a few reasons.

  14. Josh Hutchings 18 May 2012, 2:02pm

    Despite the victim’s mother being “immensely proud” of her daughter, it still seems that there’s a lot of misinformation regarding homosexuality rampant in her generation. The victims other claims that the daughter being a lesbian was a “CHOICE she has made” and that in today’s world homosexuals should be allowed to “be what they WANT to be”. I admire the mother for being proud, however I do feel that in order for more parents to be accepting and more able to cope with their children’s sexuality, education must include more information in this area.

  15. Oh what a shame, Keith has disappeared …

    Thank you PN! ;-)

    1. de Villiers 18 May 2012, 3:09pm

      Surely it does discriminate because it imposes a neutrally sounding requirement that applies to all equally but which has a disproportionately negative effect on those in same-sex relationships.

    2. If you have to edit what I said and take it out of context to try and make your point then you have lost the argument.

      In any event this story is not related to the issue of marriage.

      This story is congratulating the criminal justice system for taking action against hate crimes and pointing out that hate crimes occur and are abhorrent in society.

      This comments is not about you focusing attention on your bile and irrelevant rhetoric.

      No doubt PN will delete more of your posts shortly.

    3. Crazy Jane is at it again. Soon to be deleted yet again bye bye Jane don’t call again.

    4. could you possibly re post that in English please, i can’t really understand what it is your saying

  16. Ignore the troll he is trying to provoke a comment – he doesn’t deserve it.

    1. Sounds like you are describing yourself “Butt Plugs ‘r’ Us”

  17. See previous reply

    “Do you really think a lot of heterosexuals are likely to see this “advice”?

    Do a lot of those who are “moral” spend a lot of their time on sites for LGBT individuals or is it just a few special individuals, like yourself, who feel the need to do that?”

    And by the way. Second time you’ve posted the same thing.You could have at least fixed your shoddy spelling

  18. Only low life scum would take advantage of reporting of a brutal assault on a child to promote their own bigoted agenda.

  19. darkmoonman 18 May 2012, 3:51pm

    Six weeks isn’t enough, true, but had this been in the USA, she’d have been let off simply because she’s female and had no prior record of violence.

  20. Although I think 6 weeks is far too short a period to be in jail (6 months to a year would be more fitting according to the age of the youngster and the nature of the attack.)

    At least the crime will follow James around for the rest of her life. On every job she applies for she will have to declare what she did and no doubt it will shadow her, she’ll never be able to work with young people or children; THANK GOD.

  21. What’s an “ain gurd” when it’s at home?

    Also, the only immoral deviant here is you. Homosexuality, bisexuality, pan sexuality, heterosexuality and more are all natural variations of human sexual orientation. Only blind hatred, like what nhabits you, is unnatural. Seek psychological help, if not for yourself then for those around you.

    1. Hypocrite!

    2. Missing a single letter (try writing on an iPad on a bus going over speed bumps and see how many letters you miss!) and leaving a word still understandable is a far cry from typing words that make NO sense. I literally do not know what you were referencing. A gourd maybe? But those are a type of vegetable, so I have no idea why you would bring them up. Unless you’re describing your own mental state? As for “ain”, I presume you meant “ain’t”, which would make it “ain’t gourd” which makes even LESS sense than what you wrote.

      Do you have a Moron – English dictionary, so that I could make an attempt to understand both that post… and every other one that you have made.

  22. Jodi Rives 18 May 2012, 5:27pm

    Here in America, bigoted adults just kill kids they don’t approve of–and walk away. Charming times we live in, aren’t they?

  23. Too bad there is no “mug shot” of the criminal, such as exist in the US. Some widespread negative publicility might do much to dissuade other wouldbe attackers.

  24. essexgirlbecky 18 May 2012, 5:46pm

    Here’s a better report from the Argus http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9713191.Sussex_woman_jailed_for_homophobic_assault/

    Is six weeks long enough for a 20 yr old bully who, with her mates, picks on a 16 yr old girl. Considering the government has recently announced a new hate crime initiative that highlighted the need to deal effectively with offenders, is the rhetoric just more hot air from the home office?

    The fact remains that if April James and her thuggish mates had picked on someone because of their colour or faith, instead of facing a charge of common assault in the magistrates court which carries a maximum penalty of six months, she could have been facing an aggravated assault charge in the Crown Court which carries a maximum penalty of 7 years!

    The criminal justice system continues to legitimise discrimination against LGBT people (and also people with disabilities) by treating hate crime against them as less serious. This sends completely the wrong the message.

    1. I 100% agree that there should have been a longer time period given to her for this attack. There was absolutley no reason for this barr the fact that this (I cant even call her a girl a woman or even a human being) person, is nothing more than a thug.

  25. Jesus moran 18 May 2012, 6:11pm

    Six weeks?????, that bitch should go to jail for at least 5 years , what’s wrong with uk penal system?

  26. Jane Svoboda vomiting on the Comments page. Delete and forget.

    1. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 10:18pm

      Boring

  27. Loopy Jane Svoboda should be ignored and then, deleted. Bye bye Jane.

    1. Osric,

      Did someone say something – I just jumped down to your comment and didn’t bother reading what was above when I saw the name of the author.

    2. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 10:16pm

      Give it a rest.

  28. Keiths rent boy 18 May 2012, 7:23pm

    Keith,

    Do you want me in the schoolboys shorts and with the studded collar on like last time?

    Did I tell you about the results from the clinic?

    Have you been checked?

  29. Six weeks? I’m sure this will make people think twice before a similar attack. ( sarcasm over).

  30. Very few people like you, Aiden

    You have to come here for conversation after all – and all you do is throw insults – clearly its the only attention you can get. Sad!

  31. she should be sentenced to been beaten by a lesbian and her 5 friends n then see how she likes it….. an eye for an eye!

  32. i think this april person should see how it feels and let a lesbian and her 5 friend kick the crap outta her n she how she likes it… an eye for an eye!

  33. OK “Aiden”. I don’t like you. What’s your real name, where are you and your tough skin so I can give you a slap?

  34. First of all, this unprovoked assault (apparently motivated by hate) is callous, deranged and wrong.

    Whilst I am pleased that a custodial sentence had been given; I am disappointed that there was not a longer sentence.

    Kissing in public is not seen as unacceptable in the UK, as many TV drama’s and day to day life in pubs, parks and public transport shows.

    I think its fantastic that a couple felt able to express their feelings for each other in public. I think its outrageous that someone felt it appropriate to respond with ignorant violence.

  35. Tough words come easily to a troll.

  36. Custardpie 20 May 2012, 1:41am

    You’re not just opposing their views though, you’re acting like an asshole.

    I don’t exactly know legal speak, but I’d say marriage should be defined that any two consenting adults (So legal age to be married), should be able to get married. So no mention of gender there so it wouldn’t matter if they’re both female or both male.. or one male one female. As long as you’re both people.. you can get married.. Course there’d be stuff so you can’t marry your family like there already is. =/

    I guess you’re going to say by opening it up for gay people to get married suddenly people who want to marry more than one person will say they’re being discriminated against too?

    Seriously though, maybe if you didn’t use names like that and act like a jerk people would be more willing to debate with you, but don’t expect people to switch their views to yours.. like I don’t expect your view is going to change. =/

  37. Six bloody weeks!!! If she’d beaten up a black woman she’d have been done for racial abuse and got longer!!! This is a disgrace!

    And this guy, who was black, had the cheek to write a letter to a paper saying that WE should stop complaining and stop comparing our plight to that of black people!!! Sorry mate we might not be black, though there are plenty of black gay men and women, who are treated like we’re dirt, and this just proves it. The girl shows love and affection to her girlfriend and is beaten up for it and this woman only gets 6 weeks!!!

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