Fabulous news, this snowball is set to ROLL :)
As a particular troll might try and say (inaccurately) “the pendulum is swinging”.
However, in this instance the metaphor is entirely appropriate.
France, England, Scotland, Ireland, New Zealand, Finland, Denmark, Luxembourg, Wales, Mexico, Uruguay, Chile, Nepal, Mongolia, …
The snowball is rolling and the pendulum is on the right side of history
mongolia? is here a link for that?
I’ll try and dig out the quote after I’ve had breakfast!
I read it in an Irish newspaper a few months back, but I am sure I should be able to find it online (I think I can remember some of the words used!)
I can not find the article at the moment. It discussed the fact that marriage is not defined in law in Mongolia.
The LGBT communities in Mongolia whilst still relatively underground are growing and an Irish reporter had spent some time in Ulan Bator and found several couples seeking to marry.
The reporter also stated that there was some debate within Mongolia about formalising in law what marriage was. There was recognition that this might mean a call for same sex couples to be given fair respect in law, although it was unclear when this would be achieved.
I will keep looking though.
NZ doesnt have marriage equality and wont for a while. We do have Civil Unions, but that is hardly the same thing………
But you do have an MP bringing forward a bill for equal marriage which John Kaye has said he will not oppose
Great news, let’s hope they don’t take too long like they are here! Say something then do it!
I applaud the coalition govt’s promise to bring in marriage equality as much as anyone normal but, you are right, they are turning it into a bit of a panto. It really should be going through parliament by now.
It really is not taking as long as your making it out to be, the consultation is closing soon and legislative process will be starting – it ALWAYS takes around a year to implement ANY piece of legislation.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité :)
This is great news. One question: can the president decide this on his own, or does gay marriage have to pass the National Assembly? If the latter, the president will have to wait to see the outcome of the legislative elections next month. The forecast for those elections looks good right now, but it is hard to predict with certainty. Let’s hope!
Yes, but if things to to plan. It should be legal in a year or so… France is a huge country. If both France and the UK legalize it, there is a chance that the entire EU will get rolling on the issue.
Hollande does not have the power to unilaterally change French marital laws so this will only be possible if a pro-equal marriage legislature is the result of next month’s elections (i.e. PS+EELV majority). There are several notable figures in the UMP who support equal marriage though so we can expect to see movement on that front in the coming years regardless. But for this to take effect according to Hollande’s timeframe (spring 2013), the outcome of the election is crucial.
I would add another one: Liberté, égalité, fraternité, amour
At last the topic of the day is…
Well done France. It’s surprising its taken so long to get to this point as I never really felt it was a homophobic country.
As for the late Mr Sarkozy’s understanding of family, I don’t think he had any
“As for the late Mr Sarkozy’s understanding of family, I don’t think he had any”
Oh Sarkozy understands family alright considering how many families he had himself – twice divorced, and soon to be dumped by Carla Bruni.
Vive la France!
I hope they get it through quickly. The movement really is snowballing.
God Bless this great man.
Le mariage n’est pas pour moi. Mais je suis heureux que mon président est de faire un changement.
Great news, well done, France! Now on to Germany! The horse is out of the barn and it’s not going back, ever. Take that, C4M and the rabble of bigots who support it, you’re in the minority and that’s where you’ll remain, irrelevant.
Droit égal au mariage un jour sera légal dans toute la France et beaucoup plus large loin, et les générations futures se demanderont pourquoi tout le monde était d’environ – ils seront surpris que les couples homosexuels n’ont pas été autorisés à se marier.
Ceci, bien sûr, est simplement une prédiction, et il n’est pas nécessairement une prédiction livré dans la célébration, ni dans la résignation. Il est, cependant, une prédiction pris en charge par les tendances de l’opinion publique, et par le fait que les jeunes gens ont tendance à être plus tolérant de la notion de droit égal au mariage, et par l’évolution inévitable d’une société que l’esclavage une fois débattue et le suffrage des femmes et interracial mariage.
La plupart des bons d’esprit des gens voir la question de l’égalité du mariage pour être celui de l’équité et l’un des l’extension des droits similaires à tous les citoyens.
Bien dit, Paul, j’approuve ainsi tout que vous dites!
Oui. J’ai voté pour Nicolas Sarkozy pour des raisons économiques. Mais, pas de pessimisme. C’est vraiment un grand moment pour faire avancer le droit au mariage et à l’adoption pour les couples homosexuels.
Mon souci est que Hollande ne peut pas être en mesure de progresser l’égalité du mariage s’il ne gagne pas une Assemblée nationale de soutien aux élections.
Cependant, quel que soit le résultat du vote de l’Assemblée, il est clair que la question de l’égalité du mariage est fortement et de manière décisive sur l’ordre du jour à travers la France. Il s’agit d’une question de temps avant l’égalité réelle devient un fait en France. Espérons que, l’Assemblée soutiendra l’égalité et l’équité. C’est une occasion mémorable de saisir l’égalité réelle et significative et de montrer que la France peut agir et agit comme un véritable leader en Europe et le monde dans l’arène de la progression sociale.
give us a break, guys. I never got much past ordering soup in French! Translations????
At LEAST the trolls don’t get in on it!
Courtesy of google translate (in order of postings):
Equal Marriage will be legal one day throughout France and much broader than that, and future generations will wonder why everyone was about – they will be surprised that homosexual couples were not allowed to marry.
This, of course, is simply a prediction, and it is not necessarily a prediction delivered in celebration or in resignation. It is, however, a prediction supported by trends in public opinion, and by the fact that young people tend to be more tolerant of the notion of equal marriage, and by the inevitable evolution of a society that slavery once and discussed women’s suffrage and interracial marriage.
Most good-minded people see the issue of marriage equality to be one of fairness and an extension of similar rights to all citizens.
Well said, Paul, and I agree with everything you say!
Yes. I voted for Nicolas Sarkozy for economic reasons. But, not pessimism. It’s really a great moment to advance the right to marriage and adoption for homosexual couples.
– But don’t be pessimistic.
My concern is that Holland may not be able to advance marriage equality if it does not win a National Assembly election support.
However, whatever the vote of the Assembly, it is clear that the issue of marriage equality is strongly and decisively on the agenda across France. This is a matter of time before true equality becomes a fact in France. Hopefully, the House will support equality and fairness. This is a momentous occasion to seize equality real and significant and show that France can and does act as a true leader in Europe and the world in the arena of social progression.
And further down in relation to the list of nations that are debating equal marriage, the French commentary is:
What a fantastic list!
Not only the probability of 57 countries who support same-sex couples to marry, but a population of 2,864,288,731 (42% of the population of the world) being able to marry regardless of their orientation.
Viva la France !!!!
this move just shows how very important it is that this country adopts equal civil marriage for gay and lesbian people as quickly as possible. The present Civil Partnerships are only legally recognised in the UK- while MARRIAGE is universally legally accepted worldwide.
The marriage equality movement really seems to be gathering pace. I have to admit to being quite surprised at developments in recent weeks and months. Let’s hope all these good starts actually make it to the finish line.
François Hollande joins Callmedave and Barack Obama in raising standards of human dignity and facilitating a new age of improved civil rights for LGBTs. They, and others, are making history. Just a suggestion to our French cousins . . . give the silly so-called ‘consultation’ / bun fight a miss!!!
Actually, a consultation begins in France this autumn. A bill is expected to be introduced by mid 2013, so it’s quite feasible that France will beat us to it.
It appears there is a snowballing effect on equal marriage spreading across the globe. I thought I would have a look and see which countries are at least debating the issue. Some have clearly progressed beyond debate more than others:
The ball keeps rolling to more and more countries who are determined to uphold equality, fairness and humanity:
And the ball keeps rolling further and further and further:
More and more countries are determined to ensure fairness, equality and humanity:
And yet more and more and more countries are determined to ensure equality and fairness to gay people:
More and more countries are determined to seek equality for LGBT people:
Its amazing how many countries are moving forward in seeking equal marriage for their citizens who are LGBT:
United Kingdom (England & Wales)
United Kingdom (Scotland)
wow. Looking at it like that, it’s impressive.
This does not include the USA where some states permit same sex marriage and where there is active debate in most others.
Nor does it include Iceland, Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, South Africa, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, and Canada who also already marry same sex couples.
If all were successful in the next few years that would be 57 nations that moved to equality and no doubt spur others on to do likewise.
And of course Holland, the first, and Denmark next month, Mexico City. Bring it on! The naysayers are on the wrong side of history. Luxembourg and Finland are two watch closely.
This list was amazing, thanks
Qu’est-ce une liste fantastique!
Non seulement la probabilité de 57 pays qui soutiennent les couples homosexuels de se marier, mais une population de 2,864,288,731 (42% de la population du monde entier) étant en mesure de se marier indépendamment de leur orientation.
Presuming from my schoolboy French that means that if all these countries act on this then 42% of the worlds population will benefit from same sex marriage?
Yes and I have posted a translation (courtesy of google) above!
Once UK and France have equal civil marriage it will pave the way for a change of attitudes in the EctHR because the bigger member states are doing it.
Once Germany signs on, the train will be non-stop.
Well done to Mr Hollande. He is a great man indeed. This will be a great impetus for other countries, especially England. Then once we have got rid of the homophone Gillard and the homophobe opposition bloke Abbott, we will follow on in Australia.
It will come to Australia, Peter, it’s inevitable, I’m confident about that. Gillard knows it, how can she not just looking at what’s going in in the UK and France, as well as President Obama’s recent declaration. She and her bigoted allies can resist it all they want, they’re going to be on the wrong side of history and they will be the losers at the end of the day, confined to the dusbtin of irrelevance.
Being a socialist he may pave the way for same-sex marriage, but I seriously question some of his other motives, and I think he could end up wrecking France’s economy. If that were to happen it would be a sure-fire way of bringing the collapse of the Eurozone.
Oh well, every cloud has a silver lining! :)
I voted for Sarkozy for economic reasons. However, I have been positively surprised by the moderate Ministers whom Hollande and Ayrault have appointed – and that Martine Aubrey is not the Prime Minister. It is also a good moment to advance gay marriage and adoption.
You might be surprised to hear this, de Villiers, but I agree with you both about this being a potentially historic moment for France to grasp hold of to advance LGBT rights and that Hollande (from my relatively limited knowledge of French politics) has chosen a well balanced team of ministers and tried to avoid too many controversial figures in positions that might be seen as provocative.