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Angela Eagle MP: Gay couples will be in limbo until equal marriage laws are announced

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  1. Dear Ms Eagle,

    When will the Labour Party adopt equal marriage as party policy?

    1. several libdems haven’t shown/told C4EM yet that they are going to support equal marriage…why?

    2. Your position that equal marriage is not Labour Party policy really is not sustainable if you look at the evidence.

      Quotes:

      Yvette Cooper (Shadow on Equalities) “The Labour Party strongly supports same sex marriage”

      Ed Milliband “I strongly agree gay and lesbian couples should have an equal right to marry and deserve the same recognition from the state and society as anyone else”

      Ed Balls “support the right for gay couples to marry”

      Diane Abbot “I have always supported gay marriage and made that case when civil partnerships were first discussed”

      David Milliband “I support calls to change the definition of marriage to include exclusive relationships between couples, regardless of sex. This will mean gay couples will be able to describe themselves as married.”

      Harriet Harman ” [talking about] individual people and their personal relationships, their love for each other and their wanting to be in a partnership or getting married. I think we should support that.”

      and I could go on

      1. Except that it isn’t party policy. Pronouncements by members of the shadow cabinet or even the leader do not set policy. There has been no conference vote on this issue, and no formal statement that equal marriage is Labour policy. If there were a General Election tomorrow equal marriage would not, and could not appear in Labour’s manifesto.

        This is in stark contrast with the Liberal Democrats and the Green Parties of England and Wales and Scotland, which have had conference votes on Equal Marriage to make it formal party policy. Scottish Labour has actually gone further than Labour by having *consultation* on Equal Marriage as a formal policy at least!

        For more on the Labour party’s policy making institutions, none of which have said anything about instituting equal marriage see here. http://www.labour.org.uk/partnership_in_power_institutions

        1. Craig Nelson 17 May 2012, 10:49pm

          You state if there was an election that it wouldnt appear in the Labour party’s manifesto – not true. The party has already taken a position and it also has already been in the Scottish Labour party manifesto.

          I don’t think there’s any debate over this in the Party qso there’s no need to wait until the Policy Forum formally recognises the supporttjat has already been expressed by the Leader, Deputy Leader, Shadow Home Secretary, Scottish Leader etc, etc

          The Libdems have this thing whereby it can only be in the manifesto if voted previously by the Conference but (as with tuition fees but they’re completely free to ignore their manifesto once in power.

          1. Absolutely Craig

            There is very little debate on this in the Labour party – its clear what the approach is.

            When Labour were in government they made decisions without conference consent. This would be no different if there was an election tomorrow.

            Its disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

          2. It still does not explain though why Labour (“Nu Lie-Bore” in the olden days, you’ll recall) as a party doesn’t SAY it. “We, the party” are 100% in favour of Civil Marriage being made equally available to same-sex adults” Just 19 little words cover all bases against objection or misunderstanding. As that stupid bloody rat thing says, “Simples”

      2. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 10:27am

        Support is all well and good, but people can mouth off their own individual soundbites till the cows come home. That still does not make it party policy. Until that happens it is just more piss and wind.

  2. She makes an excellent point and ably illustrates the highly discriminatory position of the law at this time – How many couples are waiting for marriage? How many are wondering if they CP now will they have to pay and go through procedure again to marry?

    The uncertainty is most unjust and must be corrected as soon as possible.

  3. Totally agree with Angela Eagle…

    I would also like to see all Labour MPs show their early support for same sex marriage and actually see some early signals from them that they are likely to vote in favour.

    There are still a lot of libdems and labour mps who haven’t tweeted, emailed etc etc support yet for equal marriage.

    http://www.c4em.org.uk/support-for-equal-marriage/ …..this website still has nothing against a lot of them!!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 17 May 2012, 3:24pm

      And notice how c4em isn’t getting many more signatures?

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 17 May 2012, 3:23pm

    You would think that having gone through a consultation for CPs that there wouldn’t be any need for equal marriage consultation, if as some believe, CPs are equal to marriage which we all know they are not. Too much foot-dragging and unnecessary, just draft a bill now and legislate. The first draft I believe won’t be available until the last quarter of the year.

    I agree with you Dave Page, Labour should endorse equal marriage officially, making it more imperative for the Tory party to get on with it, pass it or face a guaranteed defeat in 2015 if it fails.

  5. I totally agree with everything Angela Eagle has said.

    Great to see her making the reality clear.

  6. de Villiers 17 May 2012, 5:20pm

    It’s a shame she failed to speak to clearly when there was a Labour government in power.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 18 May 2012, 12:51am

      It’s a shame that Gordon Brown, David Cameron or Nick Clegg didn’t for that matter. At least the Greens adopted equal marriage long before the Liberal Democrats ever conceived of it and if the Tories had won by a landslide in 2010 without the necessity of a coalition, do you really believe Cameron would have put equal marriage on the table? Of course not. Why do you think Lynne Featherstone is heading the consultation, why not a Tory?

    2. To be fair, it was Stonewall’s responsibility to push this forward – it is supposed to be our advocacy group, yet until recently it seemed to think we didn’t want full equality – Ben Bradshaw is even a member of it and said he had no idea this is what people wanted. They had to be told in no uncertain terms to push this forward. Remember there was a PN poll showing 98% wanted equal marriage. I mean — do they not even bother to read PN and other gay media polls and articles ?!! Stonewall needs a good kick up the arse – I would like to see changes. Some of the work they do is excellent, but look at what C4EM is doing right now getting MPs stance on marriage equality – that’s daft because it’s something Stonewall should have already done. And why did two grass roots gay people have to start the petition at all – why wasn’t Stonewall doing that? C4EM are doing a great jjob IMO but Stonewall should have put the resources behind this long ago.

  7. how can we celebrate IDAHO when government still does it? civil partnership is not the same as marriage and think we will always be fighting to equal. Governments want everyone to pull together fight homophobia while most of government is homophobia themselves. Need new thinkers in government and churches.

  8. They are not going to give a time-scale or date for something that isn’t going to happen now. As CallMeDave has realised the normal people of the Country want him to attend to the more important things.

    1. You wish.

      Number 10, Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and Featherstone have all made it abundantly clear that equal marriage IS going to happen.

      The extreme right wingers were booted out of areas of influence by moderate Tories yesterday.

      As you might put it – the pendulum is swinging (towards equality and fairness) and showing that bigotry and extremism are ways of failure and irrelevance.

    2. There is a time frame – BY 2015.

      Its going to happen. Whether you like it or not.

    3. Nebraska Jane Svoboda take a look at yourself Aiden you closet case.

    4. GulliverUK 17 May 2012, 7:57pm

      Aiden,
      We’re living in a new era. You and your friends no longer have religious influence over public policy – your influence having been eroded because of silly fundies and trads like you who have such wacky ideas that people don’t see a lot of difference between you and some right-wing authoritarian dictatorship. We’ve made progress, moving towards equal treatment of women, of others who aren’t white Catholics. What is weird is that 12 Catholics were behind the gunpowder treason plot, and what they did caused all other Catholics to loose all their rights – weren’t able to be in the military, weren’t able to hold public office. Sounds like you aren’t planning to go back to the 1950s but 1600s and re-enact that. You are making life difficult for all sorts of Christians across the country with your bullying and hateful discriminatory behaviour. I don’t want that. Many Christians are decent people too.

    5. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to tell us so, Mystic Smeg.

    6. I can no longer be bothered to even engage your type, therefore go F\/ck yourself d!ck head.

    7. Spanner1960 18 May 2012, 10:31am

      Have “Normal” people also realised that the Government, apparently, can do more than one thing at a time? Wow. What will they think of next?

  9. If Scotland passes its law so that I can marry my fiancée in church there, does that mean that in this country my intended wife would not be recognised as my wife, even though Scotland is not entirely a different nation?
    I don’t want to CP my fiancée, I want to marry her. There is a difference, otherwise they wouldn’t have different names, different ceremonies and different rules.
    Equality means just that, equality. What we have now is ‘legal’ discrimination.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 18 May 2012, 12:43am

      eleison, if that were to happen, your marriage would NOT be considered a marriage in England but a civil partnership. Therein lies proof of the discrimination and the difference as you correctly stated.

      1. We’d have complete chaos – just like the US.

        Married Gay Couple Denied Driver’s License in Florida

  10. gattagiudecca 18 May 2012, 2:43am

    I think these are pretty good comments by Angela Eagle. I welcome people from all political backgrounds putting pressure on the government to bring this in. I’m getting very frustrated at the length of time it is taking. I don’t think ‘by 2015′ is acceptable. This issue has already been put back several times now and it looks increasingly likely that it is being kicked into the political long grass. I’ve written to my MP and asked what her stance on it is. If it is anything less than a 100% glowing ‘yes with sprinkles on top’ then she can kiss my gay vote goodbye.

  11. We have been in ‘limbo’ for a long time and now is the time for realtime action. So cut the cackle and get to the horses.

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