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  1. And the unstoppable wagon that is equal marriage continues to roll and impact on more and more nations in new ways.

    1. GingerlyColors 16 May 2012, 7:48am

      It is interesting to note that at one time it was getting homosexuality decriminalised. Countries like Ireland, Russia, Romania and Albania still criminalised gays until the 1990’s. Now the only blot on the map of Europe is Northern Cyprus. The same goes to South America where only (British) Guyana criminalises gays although the law has allegedly not been enforced for some time.
      Now it is a case of getting our relationships recognised on a par with straight people and as countries introduce marriage equality they could end up shaming their neighbours to do likewise.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 15 May 2012, 7:40pm

    Next stop, Finland, Luxembourg, possibly Slovenia, France of course, Australia, maybe Switzerland and more countries in Latin America, possibly Brazil, Uruguay. I don’t think Mexico will be long either.

    1. Well its already legal in Mexico City and I suspect they will follow across the country quickly.

      Chile, Colombia, Venezuela, New Zealand, Mongolia, Nepal and Austria are also candidates.

      1. Mexico is really probably the next in Latin America, as already said in Mexico City it’s already legal. Some other countries I would bet my money on would be Colombia, Uruguay and Chile. South America really rocks ! I am just sorry that my own country Brazil looks very far from legalizing sex-same marriages, as our mentality is still very much like the American one.

        1. Hi Felipe, I live in Colombia, and I can tell you that gay marriage won’t be available here soon, there’s a fierce opposition from the colombian conservative party (there are even threatening to put in into a referendum) and the current government doesn’t even care, but I believe gay adoption would be available soon, since the high court as ordered it so.

          1. Really ? I am sorry for your situation. For some reason Colombia seemed to me as a rather liberal country.

      2. According to Wikipedia, since April 2012, same-sex marriages can also now be performed in the Mexican state of Oaxaca.

        Two marriages were performed in the state of Quintana Roo in 2011, but were annulled by the Governor of Quintana Roo in April 2012. The legality of performing same-sex marriages in the Quintana Roo state is being reviewed by the Secretary of State of Quintana Roo.

        Marriages performed in Mexico City are recognized throughout Mexico.

    2. As far as Finland goes i wouldn’t count on it. Finland is still a very homophobic country and is closer to Russia in this area (not nearly as bad tho). As a finnish gay person i have to say that Finland is even behind the U.S with gay rights and social acceptance. A sad fact…

      But i do believe that in 5 – 10 years Finland will catch up at least a little. But it is very hard being gay here. I’m 19 and still in the closet with no room to come out. And i live in Helsinki which is supposed to be “the most accepting city” in Finland. But that’s untrue.

      1. GingerlyColors 16 May 2012, 7:51am

        As a Finn do you conside Finland to be a Scandanavian country? There is a lot of debate in my country (England) about it. Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland all have marriage equality (or will in a month’s time).

        1. Finland is seen as a Scandinavian country in most places. I would like to consider it being apart of Scandinavia as well…but sometimes it’s quite hard because it differs so much from other Scandinavian countries. Especially when it comes to human rights.

          I doubt that Finland will have marriage equality anytime soon. There was a big debate on the matter in October 2010 and it led to a huge protest against the anti-gay finnish church. About 40 000 people left the church in two weeks which is a big number for Finland. One might think that this shows that finns are pro-gay but things really haven’t changed since then. The church is still as anti-gay as they can be and just a few months ago a gay-candidate lost the presidental election during the final round with 36% for him and 64 % against him.

          I might actually move to U.K in about a year to study so i can get away from this country. Lol i know i’m giving a VERY negative image of Finland but that’s how it really is over here…

      2. John666, good luck with your coming out. Hopefully positive social changes will come to Finland for you.

        1. Thanks…wont be for a while tho i’m afraid.

  3. The next one is probably Denmark. I read in a Danish newspaper that the marriage equality law is supposed to be in force in July.

    Here in Finland our parliament Eduskunta has discussed the marriage equality law, which has been fully drafted for a long time now, but it is uncertain if it comes to a vote, because the majority of the law rights committee members are against it.
    If you succeed in England, Scotland and Wales, it will help us and many other countries. We are optimistic that you will do it.
    Here up north we are very happy about Obama´s statement, too.

    1. That There Other David 15 May 2012, 11:55pm

      I would have thought in Finland everyone would be pro-equality on the marriage front just knowing how much it would upset Russia :-D

      1. Finland is closer to Russia as far as social acceptance and gay marriage opinions go. I know why think that Finland is very gay friendly because it’s close to Sweden, Denmark and Norway…however Finland still remains largely homophobic compared to other EU countries.

        1. This really surprises me about Finland.

          I remember the mass exodus of 30000 people from a Finnish church due to homophobia and public disgust at homophobia.

          i had also read this report which suggests Finland is more supportive than the average European state on LGBT issues:

          Clearly, a Finn will know better than I will the real situation in Finland from their experience. It surprises me that the experience is so negative.

          I remember

          1. True that mass exodus might give people a picture that being gay is okay in Finland when i reality it really isn’t. That exodus was a great step towards equality i’m not denying that. It put the topic on the table and people have been discussing over it but nothing has been done yet.

            Out of all the EU countries Finland is in the bottom 3 when it comes to social acceptance of gay ppl.

  4. New Zealand definitely, as soon as we can get rid of our useless centre-right government…

    1. Centre-right governments around the world pretty much don’t do anything useful

  5. Good for Haaretz but I must admit the thing I find really shocking (and which I had no idea of before) is that there’s no form of civil marriage in Israel.

  6. GingerlyColors 16 May 2012, 7:42am

    It is worth noting that Israel only allows religious marriages within it’s borders. In that respect Israel does lag behind other countries and therefore it need to introduce civil marriages for all to show that Israel is a beacon of hope in an otherwise hostile neighbourhood.

    1. Marriage should be open to atheists and others who do not want a religious wedding. But what I don’t understand is why are the Liberal and Reform synagogues not permitted to have the marriages they perform legally recognised in Israel? This is odd.

      1. The reason is that the country’s government is pretty much every time a coalition government that relies on small religious (Jewish Orthodox) parties, if they want to avoid sitting with the opposite end of the spectrum. And so, the religious parties usually get the religious affairs and internal affairs ministries portfolios. (But not always.) So, overtime they’ve managed to get many things out of the situation. (To the degree that the majority of Israelis actually has a lot of resentment towards them, but are relatively powerless to do anything about it.)

        1. Very informative, thank you. It’s quite scandalous for a country whose general outlook seem so secular!

      2. The issue of recognition of civil marriages is of special significance in Judaism because Orthodox Judaism has prohibitions to marriages. These include restrictions on marriages involving a mamzer and by kohenim, but there are other restrictions. Such marriages will not be sanctioned by religious authorities and, as there is no form of civil marriage, cannot be formally entered into in Israel. The couples in these prohibited marriage situations sometimes marry overseas, mostly in Cyprus.

        In 1962 the Supreme Court determined that the Ministry of the Interior must register as married couples who married in a civil marriage abroad, even if either or both of the couple were citizens of Israel. This judgment was interpreted as a minor technical issue, as the act of registration was said to be for statistical purposes only, and not a recognition of the personal status of the couple, as registration does not determine the validity of the marriage.

        In a judgment given in November 2006, the

        1. retired President of the Supreme Court Aharon Barak ruled that the recognition of a civil marriage entered into abroad extended to its validity and recognition as a marriage for the purpose of Israeli law, overruling a rabbinical court, which had determined that a religious court had the authority to decide the validity or otherwise of a civil marriage entered into abroad.

          Since the establishment of the rabbinical courts, the status quo agreement has been strongly supported by the religious community, but criticised by others. The main argument of the supporters of the system is that a change of the status quo agreement will divide the Jewish people in Israel between those who marry according to Jewish religious standards and those who marry in a civil marriage. These would not be registered or scrutinized by the rabbinate, and their children would be considered illegitimate or mamzerim, which would prohibit them from marrying a child of a couple married in accordance with halakha.

        2. Opponents of the status quo agreement consider the system to be contrary to people’s civil rights.

          Although most of the debate relating to civil marriage in Israel is conducted in the Jewish community, the issue has the same implications for all other recognised religious communities in Israel and non religious people in Israel.

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