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Comment: Gays must be more involved if the Church of Ireland is to be more inclusive

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  1. Yes, it IS overtly homophobic

    Anything that treats us as less – less worthy, less due rights, less due respect – than straight people is homophobic.

    Do you know what MIGHT change these institutions? If we didn’t tip-toe around their bigotry and make excuses for them. Call a homophobe a homophobe. Call a bigot a bigot. How can we expect to fight homophobia when we won’t call it what it is?

    And why, in the name of all that is holy, would I – or any other GBLT person – want to get “more involved” in an organisation that views us as lesser? Especially sicne you empower the institution and its homophobia with your presence and your numbers

  2. I must admit to being torn on this issue.

    I fully accept that there are many gay Christians and non gay Christians who support LGBT rights and equality in many churches including the COI

    I fully accept that change often is assisted by encouragement from within.

    However, its clear that the COI is continuing to seek to say that LGBT people are less valuable than others because of the theology of the church regarding sexual identity and sexual activity.

    No responsible church would treat someone differently or with less value because of their skin colour (although many did in the 1950s are prior). Yet orientation is as innate in formation as race.

    The unfair and inhumane discrimination that is afforded by the COI is ahorrent in an inclusive community (which the COI claims it wishes to be).

    Stephen, thanks for your article – its interesting and I believe you have the utmost integrity in what you seek to achieve. I personally wish you well – but believe you may well be more …

    1. … effective if you sought to work with a church that evidences its meaning through its action and which actively demonstrates its inclusivity and does not build barriers.

  3. The church of Ireland just took another step towards irrelevance. I for one think that this is a good thing. Religion has no place in a modern world.

    1. Agreed, we might as well discuss what the Cornish Council of Piskies thinks about human sexuality. The sooner gay people see the irrelevance of religion the better. Like turkeys debating which day is really Christmas.

  4. That There Other David 15 May 2012, 2:29pm

    There are other churches that will welcome gay Christians and their supporters. If the Church of Ireland cannot follow the Gospels and be inclusive let it suffer a slow decline.

  5. The best way to fight back is to withhold any money from the bigoted church.

    1. They should pay tax (preferably backdated!)

  6. No responsible Christian church would treat anybody different so why is the Church of Ireland do any different?

  7. I see it the other way.

    The CoI and its looney adherents with their dangerous divisive view should be EXCLUDED from society.

    It will be a cold day in hell before I would want to be INCLUDED by these brainwashed idiots.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 15 May 2012, 4:52pm

    If I were a christian, I wouldn’t stay for one more minute. I’d leave and join the Unitarians, go where I’m accepted and wanted. Hell will freeze over before the bigot denominations open their arms to us. The only way to get back at them is to leave en masse. Imagine if all the gay priests in the Catholic church departed. They’d go out of business and so too would the Anglican church if more than 50% of them left.

    1. Call Me Bruce 16 May 2012, 2:37am

      But if we were part of a big global conspiracy, as some of these nutters believe, we would be joining en masse.

  9. “Normative”? Is reading the economist less “normative” than reading the Sun? After all more people read the Sun

    Would someone be more normal and therefore better if they read the Sun instead of the economist for example?

  10. A better and more effective option for gay people would be to leave the Church of Ireland (and any other homophobic church), en masse, PULPITS, PRIORIES AND PEWS!

    That will get the church’s attention faster than gays staying put and, directly or indirectly, supporting the church and its homophobia with their time, talents and treasures.

    1. Call Me Bruce 16 May 2012, 2:40am

      How about we all join en masse and sell it all off to property developers.

  11. Blah blah blah….religion in one respect is just like same-sex marriage – if you don’t like it, just don’t do it…….

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