Great to see this. The more isolated the right wing basket cases are within their own churches the more they can be marginalised and their bigotry confined to the history books where it belongs.
Great to see the honesty and integrity of some religious individuals and leaders who recognise the value of loving their neighbour, human rights, equality and fairness.
It’s good to see cult groups supporting marriage equality.
Although we must remember that the supportive cults are the exception, and that the vast majority of religious cults (catholicism, islam, anglicanism, orthodox judaism, mormonism, hinduism etc) remain as sickeningly bigotted as ever.
Which is sad but unsurprising.
Civil marriage has NOTHING to do with religious cults. So they need to keep their poisonous bigotry to themselves.
Don’t forget though that most Christians will support equal marriage – it’s just Religion Incorporated that doesn’t.
Is it hardly surprising we get no respect from these people when people like you continue to refer to them as “cults”?
Yes, we know you are queer fcker, but at least most of us have the decency to be civilised to one another. Some of these people are standing by us and supporting our cause, the least you can do is show a little respect in return.
…look up the word cult in your dictionary; cult n. system of religious worship esp. as expressed in ceremonies; devotion or homage to person or thing .
That is how the Oxford Concise Dictionary describes cult. So you are cussing someone out for being truthful, but then that is something you are a stranger to……..
It may be a technically correct word, however faggot is also a correct word for a gay man – per dictionary; although I suspect you and I would probably not use faggot – for similar reasons of seeking to ourselves be humane. Its a shame that some people choose to dehumanise others and neglect how this makes themselves look callous, inhumane and bigoted.
Of course some religious people have been horrifically inhumane in the past (and some still are) – but not all, as this story here on PN perfectly illustrates.
Two wrongs – your deliberate choice of a perfectly legitimate word with intention to offend – and their inhumanity currently or in the past – do not make a right.
If you expect humanity and respect, and I presume you do (as I do); then rising above others who treat us with inhumanity is far more likely to be effective
….Why you chose to extrapolate on the word Faggot is beyond me as the debate is whether or not cult is the correct term for religion. It most certainly is and I would go further and say religion is an irrational belief held by some rather deluded people who are in mortal fear of their inevitable death and wish to convince themselves that there is somehow a form of life after death.
These people, while we would all agree that it is their right to entertain such a delusion, then try to bully the rest of us and tell us as to how they think we should live our lives and what rights we should or should not have.
These same cults also shirk their responsibilities to the State and refuse to pay the legal taxes of the State and expect the rest of us to share the burden even while denying a large portion of the Nation their legal human rights at all costs.
Well I am her to tell you that it is over and once we have Marriage Equality , our next fight will be to ensure that all
….religious cults pay their way in the state like the rest of us. for too long they have ridden rough shod over peoples rights and as in the RC cult in particular heaped paedophilia and physical abuse on the children of the world. All the above typical of tthe general understanding of a cult.
You would find no disagreement from me that most (if not all – I wouldnt presume to go so far as I have not encountered all) religion is irrational.
However, no matter how much hurt they have caused you, me or others two wrongs do not make a right and you damage yourself and your reputation by deliberately choosing a word that most people would deem a slur.
The reasonableness test is what would the average person in the street say. Not what the average person you know, but the average person in the street.
If asked about calling an established church a cult – most would say that was a provocative and negative adjective that was a slur.
If you really can’t see the comparison between cult and faggot, then the hatred within you clearly has damaged your ability to step back and have perspective. Its sheer bigotry.
Two wrongs do not, can not and will not ever make a right.
…while the dictionary clearly says that the definition of Cult is religion in all forms, it says that the word Faggot is a derogatory and abusive name for a Gay person usually a male. How can you possibly draw the conclusion that there is any correlation.
At my age of 50+ tax, after having lived a life tainted by the abuse of the Roman cult I think it is my right to have the opinion of religion that I do without then being further abused by being labelled a bigot.
In more enlightened times to come in the future people will look back on these anomalies and won’t hesitate or be abused for calling them cults.
Were they to get on with their own lies and practice their hocus pocus in private and let those of us who aren’t irrational get on with ours, I doubt there would be the hatred of them that currently exists worldwide…
Paddywurds – will you disappear, same crap all the bloody time. Get a life.
Another spit and run troll…..
….My avatar is very recognisable so if you don’t like my comments, then to quote a famous Irishman W B Yeats, “Horseman pass by”
I heard a few people call you a cult as well.
Well, at least, I think that’s what they said.
Tell me how misogynist abuse helps your case?
Thank you for calling them what they are cults. They brainwash people into believing lies and control their lives, it’s sad.
61% of Christians support equal marriage
….I have grave doubts about that figure and would be interested in how you came by such a number and the impartiality of the source and method by which the number was arrived at..
It was from an IPSOS Mori poll that was reported here:
When you look at the methodology and comments in the Ipsos MORI supporting commentary the participants were asked about equal rights including marriage. Its therefore logical to extrapolate that 61% of Christians support equal marriage.
…I have serious doubts about such a figure and wonder where you got such a number. How was the number arrived at ad can the impartiality of the enumerator be verified?
sorry Stu but when i checked for my post it was along with two others missing. Didn’t mean to repeat. I know you’ll understand……
No problem – I have been having fewer problems with posts disappearing on here over the last week or two, but it is annoying when it happens.
Hopefully you have my reply above now?
Not in the US >_>
Oh, and seems Jeremy Hunt is on our side, too:
Just got this in my email:
I am very pleased to hear that you support the proposed changes. I completely agree with you and think equality is incredibly important and same sex couples should have the same rights as everyone else. For me as a Christian allowing people to express lifelong commitment through marriage – whether they are same sex or different – is intrinsically right. At the same time we will be giving religious institutions the choice to perform same sex marriages – we will not be forcing anyone to act against their conscience.
I strongly encourage you to express your views in the current consultation on the Home Office website (www.homeoffice.gov.uk) under the “Have your Say” section.
Rt. Hon. Jeremy Hunt MP
Member of Parliament for South West Surrey
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
It’s amazing to see both straight and gay people from different religious backgrounds, not only believing in equal marriage, but taking time out of their day to show the world how important it is.
Cal – eatgaylove.com
I saw your video on Out4Marriage’s YouTube channel and I liked it! Just wanted to say that :)
just watched a few of the OUT4MARRIAGE You Tube clips, my absolute favorite is Called Grandparents-Norma and David Green, its absolutely excellent!! Made me shed a tear, as a mum of a gay son i hope one day to have a wedding to attend myself. Can Pinknews put a link up for this Youtube entry, its so lovely. x
This just effectively nullifies the religious objection – It is not a universal requirement to deny rights to LGBT people. And to pander to that religious complaint is to declare religious sect A more valid than religious sect B.
So with that argument terminated (again) what is left?
Nothing but bloody animus. And there is no justice in enshrining that in law, so let’s just stop @rsing about and get on with it.
Is it just Christians and Jews so far?
Christians, Jews, and non religious (Atheist, Agnostic, etc) I believe
Fantastic! I wonder if any of them will be aired on the main t.v. channels to reach an even wider audience?
This has really blown the right wing “abuse of religious freedom” mantra right out of the water. Those who wish to participate in equal marriage but aren’t included in the consultation are having their freedom of religion abused by the right wing religious bigoted nutters. I hope those denominations who support us will band together and really get vocal, push back on the extremists of the major denominations, expose them for what they are, bigots!
Well isn’t this all getting interesting. Who would have thought that when I was flying around London in a series of wonderful frocks with some of my GLF darlings that I would ever live to see the prospect of Marriage for same sex couples actually on the cards. Keep up the wonderful good work everyone. xxxx
Nice to see them supporting equal marriage!
I’d like to see a Muslim, Baha’i, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, and evangelical Christian make a video, that would be crazy! (not all at once, separately)
Well Sikhism isn’t homophobic, like those religions I listed, but I’d welcome a Sikh, as well as a Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Wiccan, Shintoist, Jainist, and Unitarian Universalist
When I said all at once, I meant not in the same video, but to get one person from each major religion in a video together would be cool
Why not all at once? That chap from the RC church wanted the different religions to come together over equal marriage. Who’s he to say it should only be to oppose it :)
I am sure most of you will by now have heard of the Rc Cardinal here in Ireland who when he was a priest forced two fourteen year old boys to sign a secrecy document that they wouldn’t tell about the evil Paedo priest Brendan Smyth, now dead. if not see This world The Shame of the catholic church on bbc iPlayer. it will curl your toes big time. Anyway the paedo went on to rape 75 more children before he was caught. Brady told no one not even the parents or police. There is now a petition for his removal as he refuses to resign, saying “I was just doing my job” Where did we hear that before… Please sign here:
Thank you All.