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Argentina approves gender identity law

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  1. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 11:49am

    This is very interesting. Are they heading towards phasing two genders out of their legal code entirely, and simply recognising people as people? If so, why aren’t more countries doing this? It sounds like the perfect way to remove all sorts of issues to do with gender equality as well as removing legal hurdles that LGBT people have to deal with.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 10 May 2012, 11:52am

    Well done, Argentina.

    To digress, now watch the Craig Whittakers of this world spin it as a result of allowing equal marriage.

  3. Along with Obamas endorsement of equal marriage this is great news, its a good day for LGBT .

  4. The country has been very good for the whole gay community. Now we need to dismantle the imperial enclave that is stealing the Argentine nation of its territory and natural resources.

    1. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 12:45pm

      Oh give it a rest. If Argentina hadn’t acted so badly towards the Falkland Islanders for the past 60 years they’d probably own the islands by now.

      1. Argentina is reacting against the colonial behaviour of the UK, not against the islanders. If you are really concerned about islanders’ welfare, you should denounce the real attrocities that successive UK governments have been committing against islanders around the World. Check out one of them, and the realities behind the UK’s foreign policy, watching the following video:

        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3667764379758632511

        That’s how the UK treats nations all around the World.

        I won’t give it a rest, for me an injustice against the LGBTT community or a colonial injustice committed against another nation are both part of a bigger system of injustices.

        1. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 2:05pm

          I don’t need to watch that video thanks. I’m fully aware of what the UK has done over the years, including the shameful Chagos incident which I’m sure is referenced. However, I fail to see how one group of European settlers can be said to be “stealing the resources” of another group of European settlers as is happening here. The Falkland Islanders don’t want to be part of Argentina, they’ve said as much repeatedly. As they’ve lived on the islands for longer than Argentina has existed that’s all there is to it IMO.

          Take a look at a map of Rio Plata in 1833. It was nowhere near the Falklands. Argentina later expanded southwards towards the islands, which were disputed long before Rio Plata declared independence from Spain.

          This isn’t like Rhodesia, or other similar situations. The right to self-determination must be paramount. Why do you want to deny that to the Islanders?

          1. Yes, the video shows the Chagos attrocity. It stands in complete contrast to the image the UK government is trying to portray. The real villain IS NOT the nation that has lost its lands and natural resources, but the colonial power. You should stop trying to suggest the very honourable principle of self-determination can be applied in the case of the Malvinas, that’s a totally twisted interpretation of it. South America as a continent has been for centuries plundered of its territorial and natural resources. It has been invaded by European nations, and is still undergoing a process of decolonisation.

          2. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 3:35pm

            The Falkland Islands were never part of Argentina. Their tenuous claim is that they automatically inherited an abandoned Spanish claim to the uninhabited East Falkland (note: not West Falkland, only East) when Rio Plata declared independence from Madrid. Meaning that their entire sovereignty argument relies on centuries old Spanish colonialism having more weight than the wishes of the islands’ inhabitants. And you don’t see the irony here?

            You also need to drop the idea that Argentinians are native South Americans wronged by European colonists. If they count as South Americans then so too do the Falkland Islanders.

            If the islanders want independence that’s their business, but why should they be forced to become part of Argentina if they don’t want to? London and Buenos Aires cannot just decide this for them. That would be nearly as bad a crime as what happened to with the Chagos.

          3. Wherever you got your history lessons, you should ask for your money back. The Malvinas were part of Argentina when it became independent and the islands were already under their sovereignty when the UK invaded in 1833. Have you watched the Chagos documentary link I’ve posted here? Have you ever watched the whole documentary? The UK government must stop spending trillions of the taxpayer’s money to steal other people’s lands and keep colonial enclaves. The UK must stop using the current population of the Malvinas to as a cover for its own geo-strategic interests. They must be left to go independent, or join their many thousands of other British folks already living happily on the other side of the Argentine Sea. Independence in this case means real Independence, not independence with pocket money from mom and dad.

          4. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 9:36pm

            Every country in the Americas is the result of previous colonial incursions, including Argentina. The original history (which you still have incorrect BTW) is therefore much less important than the wishes of the current population. ¿Entiendes?

            The Falklanders are free to go independent whenever they want, but the local population don’t want to be part of Argentina. Probably because as I do they read the Argentine papers and see how many Argentinians want the islands but without the islanders, and maybe many of them remember how they were treated the last time Argentina were in charge. They fear that a future government in Buenos Aires might eventually repeat the Chagos atrocity in Stanley, and who can blame them?

            Anyway, enough of this. I’m happy that Argentina brought in a great law. I just don’t get why some berk has to bring up the same old myths and nonsense. Leave the islanders in peace will you? They’ll decide their own fate, however unhappy that makes you.

          5. If the islanders are fearing a Chagos like attrocity they should fear no one else but the UK government, the perpetrator. The Argentines have no interest in evicting the islanders, on the contrary it would be better for everyone if they stay. The Argentines just want their territories back from the nation that invaded them in 1833.

          6. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 11:37pm

            As I said at the beginning of this conversation if Argentina had been a bit nicer to the islanders over the past 60 years Tierra Del Fuego province would be a bit larger now. That the Falklands remain British is because of Argentinian government rhetoric and intimidation, nothing more. Menem had the right approach, Kirchner blew it by going back to confrontation. Maybe the next government might learn from the mistake.

      2. GingerlyColors 11 May 2012, 9:04am

        Personally I would be happy to hand the Falkland Islands over to Argentina tomorrow if it weren’t for the wishes of the islanders. I am sure that the Falklanders wouldn’t feel so much resentment towards Argentina if it weren’t for the fact that they were invaded 30 years ago by an Argentina led by a brutal military government which murdered 30,000 of it’s own citizens, mainly socialists, between 1977 and 1982.
        Since then Argentina has seen an amazing transformation and is now a beacon of hope and a leading light for all civilized nations. Christina Kirchner’s attitude towards the Falklands however has not helped and is only strengthening their resolve to remain British. Maybe if Argentina opened up to the islands instead and promoted themselves as a great country to live in and live with, as it now is, then hopefully we can start talking about how we should share the resources off the islands and eventually a handover similar to that of Hong Kong.

        1. That There Other David 11 May 2012, 10:02am

          Well said. Back in the 1990s it looked as if the Argentine establishment had realised that the islanders are key to the whole thing. There was co-operation, which would have led to breaking down of barriers, more trade, more understanding and most likely eventually to the islanders deciding to unite with Argentina. Even if it took 25 years to achieve this would have got everyone what they wanted, a perfect outcome.

          Then Kirchner (Sr. not Sra.) got elected and it all went back to rhetoric, demands and aggression. The islands are as far from being Argentinian now as they were in 1983. So sad that a country that can be so forward thinking and wonderful in so many ways is so focussed on the past here that they can’t see the way to the future.

  5. Argentina is a truly extraordinary country. Look at the Senate vote. 55 for, 12 away and 1 abstention. Not even one no vote. lol From the article, it seems as though there is only one gay Member of Parliament in Argentina. That means there are mainly all heterosexuals making these wonderful progressive laws. Can you imagine the bigots in the English and Australian Parliaments making such legislation, with a minimum of fuss and actually considering what is the best for personal freedoms for all citizens. It makes me so angry that we have euch bigots and homo/transphobes in our Parliaments. If I was 30 years younger, I would be learning Spanish day and night and doing anything I could to go to Argentina to live! I bet Uruguay will not be far behind with equaling these Argentinian laws. The Catholic Church must have no influence on poliitcs in Argentina with all of these progressive laws being initiated. Get religion and their politician thugs out of our parliaments!

    1. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 1:23pm

      Interestingly enough they’ve just legalised euthanasia too. There’s another Vatican diktat blasted out of their lawbook.

      1. Nelson Pereyra 10 May 2012, 2:05pm

        It’s not euthanasia, it’s “death with dignity”. The patient can choose whether s/he gets medicine to keep them alive or not. Euthanasia involves giving the patient a shot/poison/whatever they need to provoke death.

        1. That There Other David 10 May 2012, 2:30pm

          I stand corrected. Thanks.

          (Must still upset the Pope though :p)

    2. REminds me of equal marriage in iceland q49 to 0 , a few abstentions.

  6. Argentine has become a world leader on LGBT rights.

    Britain needs to learn from Argentine.

  7. Gay activist Paul Mitchell 10 May 2012, 1:25pm

    Well done Argentina in passing this very important law on gender identity!
    David Cameron a conservative and Barack Obama a centrist both support same sex marriage. Progress is happening!
    Meanwhile here in Australia no progress is happening at all because Tony Abbott is “threatened” by homosexuality (March 2010 look at the quote) and Julia Gillard is also on Tony side – even as a leftist, communist, atheist, childless, unmarried, ugly, woman with a live in boyfriend as a hairdresser who acts and thinks like a woman who thinks gay marriage is wrong and goes against Australian values!
    It’s just very sad politics here in Australia since 2010 having a hung parliament and nothing has been done to fix problems in Australia. The cost of living, carbon taxes, alcohol fueled crime, budget deficits, lack of education, the recent police bashing of an aboriginal 14 year old boy at Kings Cross bring racism in the spotlight here in Australia. I now say that I am ashamed to be Australian!

    1. I too despair at the state of Australian politics. No vision, no talent and no respect for their own electorates. Most Australians are supportive (or perhaps simply couldn’t care less lol) over gay marriage. Will our polititians do anything? With Abbott, a Catholic trained for clergy, soon to be prime minister, in power for at least two terms it will be decade at least before gay marriage will even be considered again. Go Argentina!!! Maybe I should learn spanish………..

  8. While other nations in the world still continue to oppress LGBT, it is always enlightening to see a country like Argentina to take a stand against discrimination to support human rights for LGBT. It’s a good news for all.

  9. thats another pope’s breakfast ruined by the good news

  10. Excellent news. Let’s hope many more countries follow suit

  11. Good thing happen people. They really do. Act and be grateful.

  12. Well Done Argentina,
    A Roman Catholic country,in the main,however gay and transgender people treated with respect.

    The Pope should take note and also leaders of all countries.

    In the U.K. David Cameron,should get on with things and stop worrying about the bigots in his party.

    I,lived in Argentina,as a child and I loved the people and their country.

    Viva Argentina.

  13. Hey guys! i’m argentine and sorry for my english but i have to tell you something. Our president has already sent to parliament a project, written by our supreme court, that creates a new civil code including IVF and surrogacy for gay couples. The thing is that argentina is ”technically” catholic (i mean ppl just believe in god) but religion is not important at all in our society and politics, so gay marriage is not a big deal at all for the people and our politicians. Even the whole media and all of our politicians always call it proudly ”equalitarian marriage”. Even in the last elections, different parties used the legalization of marriage in their campaigns as their own achievement.

    1. That is truly extraordinary, Ignacio. I am determined to at least visit your country very soon.

    2. Good ridance to the church whose Father Drajanovic in Croatia after WWII got visas for thousands of nazis to flee to aRgentina, Paraguay etc

  14. Janet Lameck 10 May 2012, 9:44pm

    I’ve known about this and have a copy of the legistlation since Nov 30 2011
    We need the same laws in Canada and the U.S.A.

  15. I m so proud of my country!

    1. Be very proud of your country, Marina! People will be able to get on with their lives and feel free to do so.

    2. GingerlyColors 11 May 2012, 8:55am

      As a gay Englishman I wish to extend the hand of friendship and love to Argentina and I hope that soon our nations will overcome our differences and that problem we have in the South Atlantic.

      1. Well said, GingerlyColours!

  16. cheers -more and more the extremist xtians and the catholic church of child molestation and the pope who UNexcommunicates holocaust deniers wll get his due – When that monster dies he should be put in a glass coffin in public and let all see him rot

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