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  1. Democracy.

    1. Bigotry.

    2. Tyranny of the majority.

      That’s why democracies have constitutions and entrenched human rights legislation – to prevent minorities suffering from the irrational bigotry of the majority.

    3. Yeah. Democracy! Government by the people, for the people and from the people!

      The will of the people will alway prevail over political correct politicians!

      1. “The will of the people will alway prevail over political correct politicians!”

        You keep saying that when equal marriage comes into the UK.

      2. “Yeah. Democracy! Government by the people, for the people and from the people!”

        Against some people……………

    4. Still laughing at you ‘Jean’ the mania to be first posting still eating you alive, but we are still laughing at your delusional behavour.

      1. Extraordinary isn’t it, the amount of time, day and night, she must spend on PN so that she can be the first to post.

        Maybe she’s actually employed by PN to stir – ?!

    5. Majorities denying rights to minorities is mob-rule, not ‘democracy’.
      This was done to your fellow Catholics between 1560 and 1828 in England and then the UK, Jean, by a bigotted Protestant State and the connivance of most people. Was that OK? Would it have been legitmated by popular vote?

    6. If you have so much hate against the LGBT society, why do you appear to spend your sad little life waiting in this website to be the first to post? Get a life!

    7. And because you are a dumb beast, you don’t understand that it will be ripped up by federal court because it breaks the 14th Amendment and the US Constitution is sovereign to state constitutions.

      So not only are the possibly the most stupendously boring person on the planet, but you are stupid too.

    8. Yawn.

    9. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 12:46pm

      Really? How would you feel about a ban on religious cults, see how you like that? After all, that too is democracy voting away your right to worship. Comfortable with that Jean? Works both ways you know.

  2. Staircase2 9 May 2012, 2:51am

    Bloody idiots…
    I dare say that a vast majority of ‘voters’ also supported a ban on mixed race marriages in the past – along with the agreeableness of owning slaves or subjugating women…

    …clearly an enlightened bunch…

    Notwithstanding the fact that very soon their tin-pot grandstanding will be overturned by the Federal Government, I suggest that all LGBT people leave the State to its own devices…(taking their businesses and cash and know-how and skills with them…)
    (Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Teachers, Politicians, Writers, Journalists, Musicians, Housewives & Househusbands, Dentists, Cops, Firefighters, Maids, Cooks, Chefs etc etc etc etc etc etc etc….)

    …The bloody idiots…!

    1. You’re right. I’m scared the federal government wont have the power to make the change if things continue this way. The U.S is a lost cause for gay rights.

      1. My sentiments entirely. Serves them right if the whole 10+% of the population just ups and moves out of the state and leaves them devoid of good art and all the other superb gifts that LGBT people possess. Not to mention the “Pink Dollar”. North Carolina you deserve everything that is coming your way. I feel sorry for my sister-in-law that lives there. We all live and die by our own choices!

      2. theGentleWarrior 9 May 2012, 3:48am

        No its not, we are not more a lost cause than you. The District & The Circuit courts have consistently ruled for equal marriage rights for all. See re: California Prop 8 & re: Massachusetts & DOMA

        Clearly this Amendment One is not good, however rights must be secured in the Courts and guaranteed by the Constitution not by vote.

        Constitution rights are extremely hard to remove, and are not subject to popular vote. For example; legislation such as DADT granted by popular vote in 1993 was repealed by popular vote with DADT Repeal Act in 2011 & Republican Primary candidates had sworn to overturn the lift & reinstate the ban.

        And I’m pains to point out, No European Country that allows same-sex marriage has yet protected its LGBT citizens by its Constitution & your European Court Of Human Rights found that same-sex marriage is not a human right.
        All these rights were given by vote and as such can be taken away in the next vote

        1. Oh, give it a rest. Its like listening to a needy child….

    2. Majority of people voted a black man (Obama) as President. so whats your point about interracial marriages?

      1. Surely the point is obvious? Once-entrenched attitudes (eg against mixed-race marriages) can change, and often do.

        1. Really? Then perphaps you can explain why homophobic violence and discrimination against LGBT people is still increasing in the Netherland after ten years of gay marriage. You may also wish to check the statistic on LGBT violence in south Africa where they have gay marriage.

          When you ‘impose’ legislations on the majority without any good reason other than to satisfy a vocal minority, what you actually get is a backlash. Thats the point Ben Bradshaw has been trying to make but the militant gay ‘marriage’ lobby/metro elite gay activists do not care. Afterall, It is not them but the ordinary gay man who endures bullying, depression and suicidal thoughts.

          1. It is said that the homophobic violence in the Netherlands is largely from Muslim immigrants but, as widely informed as you so obviously [think you] are, you probably believe otherwise.

            In passing I would be keen to review your statistics on the homophobic violence in SA that’s increased since, say, the 1970s. Oh, right – there are none.

      2. Staircase2 10 May 2012, 3:03am

        Bit of a daft point, Ken

        It wasnt until after I wrote that that I discovered that the last time that North Carolina passed legislation on marriage was to ban mixed race marriage….(they even used the word ‘forever’…the doughnuts!)

        Things change simply because history favours Human Rights & Equality…

    3. They made it against the law in 1875 for a black to marry a white person too,

  3. Obama spoke against the ban. Bill Clinton spoke against it. The Governor of North Carolina spoke against it; all the ‘big’ politicians in North Carolina spoke against it. The militant gay marriage lobby out-raised and out-spent those who wanted to ban gay marriage. Yet at the end, the will of the people prevailed over the will of the political correct politicians and they voted to ban gay marriage by a wide margin….

    No wonder when you mention the word ‘referendum’ the members of the militant gay ‘marriage’ lobby scamper!

    1. I hope Ken that all GLTBI people will consider leaving North Carolina and invest their lives in states where human rights are protected.

      1. …And that’s PRECICELY the outcome North Carolina “voters” wanted.

    2. theGentleWarrior 9 May 2012, 4:33am

      You have only prevailed, for now, in the court of popular opinion.

      You have failed in the District and Circuit Courts so far, and you will fail again in the Supreme Court.

      Oh and when you fail this time, your popular votes are over, because your not going to be able to strip away constitutionally guaranteed rights and protections of any American.

      “In the Declaration of Independence, it is written, ‘All men are created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights.’ So for Mr. Briggs and Mrs. Bryant, and all the bigots out there, no matter how hard you try, you can never erase those words from the Declaration of Independence” – Harvey Milk, 1978

    3. “militant gay ‘marriage’ lobby scamper!”

      You do realise that level of delusional paranoia is a symptom of a wider problem?

      1. Not only are we both ‘militant’ and a ‘lobby’, now we scamper too – oh, what fun we’re having!

    4. The militant gay marriage lobby out-raised and out-spent those who wanted to ban gay marriage.

      What is your evidence for this claim? It is usually the case that the militant anti-equal marriage lobby mobilises itself and raises far larger sums from other bigots than those of a liberal inclination are usually able to do.

      1. Don’t you read the news?

        “The Coalition to Protect NC Families, the pro-gay marriage and anti-Amendment One group, raised more than $2.5 million. That eclipsed the $1.5 million raised by the anti-gay marriage and pro-Amendment One group Vote For Marriage NC.”

    5. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 12:50pm

      Oh yes, just like the bigots wouldn’t scamper if we here in the UK had a referendum to ban religion. It could well happen if it continues tryhing to inject itself into government. They’d be the first to cry discrimination and abuse of religious freedom, but then they’re the biggest hypocrites of all, just like you, you sick b_astard.

      1. Actually Robert, I think they’d scuttle rather than scamper – more in keeping with their evolutionary status, I think.

  4. Aryugaetu 9 May 2012, 4:07am

    Whew! For a moment I thought there might be a sign of intelligence in N.C. It’s nice to see they earnestly held onto their traditions of bigotry, stupidity and blatant religious hypocrisy.

    If nothing else, they helped the term “red-neck” move from stereotype to reality.

    I would strongly suggest moving every Gay teen out of the state. Starting today, the bullying, suicides and gay bashings will get the state’s seal of approval as all Gays are relegated to being second class citizens.

    Terrorism and religious radicalism doesn’t come from the Middle-East, it comes from the American south. Someone is going to have to explain how they are different.

    1. Perhaps they just like being in the same category as some of the most backwards and unprogressive countries in the world. Maybe they can identify with those countries and want to emulate them?

    2. GingerlyColors 9 May 2012, 7:25am

      At least us gays don’t use terrorism when it comes to campaigning for rights.

  5. This is the same mob mentality in the same south that hung blacks and wanted to keep them slaves. The whites people who wanted to do that were Christians. Insanity is the only thing that these anti gay Christian mobs have in common. The kind of insanity that destroys not only others but the ones who are in that mob, much like a cancer kills the person after killing off parts of the body.

    1. Hoping the illness takes it’s course as quickly as possible

  6. I’m not an expert in US law, but wouldn’t the repeal of Defence of Marriage Act put an end to all of this?

    1. jamestoronto 9 May 2012, 7:51am

      No it won’t. DOMA simply defines how the federal government will act vis-à-vis same sex-marriages and protects states without SSM from recognizing SSM’s from other jurisdictions. The definition of marriage is up to each state and until SSM each recognised the marriage laws of all the others.

      1. “DOMA simply defines how the federal government will act vis-à-vis same sex-marriages”

        No. DOMA states: “No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex…” Unless otherwise stated in other federal US acts, the entire union eventually might be required to recognise the SSM.

  7. GingerlyColors 9 May 2012, 7:24am

    Pass the sick bag, another victory for the bigots. If they could they will have a vote to ban mixed race marriages and declare the President of the United States of America to be illigitimate because he is the product of such a marriage!
    The result of the vote was 61% in favour of the Amendment and 39% against, how many turned out I do not know. North Carolina was either the last or second-last state to join the Confederacy during the American Civil War after Abraham Lincoln told it to invade South Carolina and is obviously still stuck in the past.

  8. “Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.”

    They might as well add “who are blood relatives”, such is their custom, and evidenced by their level of intelligence.

  9. North Carolina’s motto is “To be, rather than to seem” (Esse quam videri) – looks like “to be” means only to be what backward religionist dogma dictates you should be, and “to seem” is to seem to turn its back on the protections of its citizens.

    How sad for a country that purports to be a modern democracy to legislate to remove protections for its citizens, it puts the dark ages to shame.

    1. There are pockets of a modern democracy in the US, having said that we do have a long way to go though.

  10. LGBT of North Carolina: it’s time to leave. Leave that State. Spend your “gay” money elsewhere.

    North Caroline has shot itself in the foot here.

    The State is nothing more than a bunch of right wing hillbillys!

    1. Michael Anthony 9 May 2012, 3:15pm

      Why not start with letting Ralph Laurent your displeasure. They are currently seeking state assistance to expend their business in North Carolina.

  11. North Carolina’s motto should be “North Carolina – the State of Hate”

  12. I seem to remember the southern states pushing through discriminatory legislation like this before, they don’t learn much from history do they…

  13. Congratulations to all those backward retarded sick people for their pathetic lives who voted with utter lack of any empathy love understanding and with hardness of their hearts. Wake up…. it’s not going to go away.

  14. Bill (Scotland) 9 May 2012, 8:52am

    Not a new video (it was produced last November), but gay sign-language expert Mister Chase tells it like it is to the haters obsessed with gay sex in the US and it seems especially timely to watch it again right now. A blogger friend (not gay, btw) in NC did vote against this amendment, but his is a lonely voice in that backward place:

  15. Such a backward step! While they are at it, why don’t they ban divorce aswell?

    1. They forget being married more than once is adultery, as defined in the bible. Selective reading of passages to forward their hate is their specialty. Kind of like being a bible thumper but also being pro death penalty. Hmmm.

  16. Of course they did. The southern and central states are full of ignorant inbred drooling slack-jawed hillybilly morons.

  17. North carolina has most likely just doomed themselves to decades of poverty and missery. Buisness will leave or avoid such areas. How sad.

    Its tragic how love is deemed only for some :(

    1. Ken Chekwas 9 May 2012, 10:52am

      You are right! The last time I checked, all the countries that allow gay ‘marriages’ are living in prosperity, growth and happiness, including spain and portugal which are being ‘bailed out’ and Iceland which is now backrupt. Er ..did I hear talks of austerity, unemployment, recession, cuts etc in those gay marriage/gay friendly countries? No I don’t think so!

  18. Thank you for taking the time to come onto a gay website to tell us so. How thoughtful of you.

  19. Any legislation that resists the minority demands of homosexuals to appear indistinguishable from hetereosexuals has my vote too.

    Hands off marrriage. You do greater harm to your need for ‘acceptance’ in society by pretending not to recognise it’s fundamental importance in the man woman family relationship.

    And for God’s sake stop screaming ‘homophobia’ everytime someone disagrees with you. Bigotry is as unbecoming in a gay as anyone else.

    1. OK, I get your point about actual marriage, I too have my reservations about that, but civil unions? How is it right to ban them? Surely gay people should have a system to be next-of-kin, visiting rights at partner’s bedside etc?

      1. Civil unions were banned too in order to maintain the definition of marriage. This is because over the years, gay activist have used such unions as a precursor to gay marriage. They fight for it and claim that it would eliminate discrimination. However, immediately they have it, they start talking about ‘equality’ and gay marriage. This is exactly what is happening in the UK now.

        since the LGBT community now argue that only gay marriage would achieve equality, they should not complain if civil unions are banned. I’m sure they don’t want to be unequal.

        1. But you can’t think that is right? I agree with you; marriage is heterosexual in nature. I think it is ludicrous and an oxymoron to have ‘gay’ marriage, however, I do recognise that gay people have similar financial and legal commitments as heterosexual people. Can’t see for the life of me why to deny them next-of-kin rights etc is right.

          So are you essentially saying that it serves them right for demanding marriage, too?

          1. See Sas- seperate but equal… the back of the bus winds up at the same destination as the front of the bus… where’s the problem with that?

          2. Now you see how others see you.

            AS A BIGOT.

          3. Marriage is marriage and should be defined by someones sexuality! After all, I don’t drive a ‘gay’ car, eat a ‘gay’ lunch. I drive a car and I have lunch.

            Marriage is about two people who love each other. Also, it was never a church issue until they hijacked it in the middle ages. These is evidence of same sex marriage in ancient Greece so in reality this would be nothing new

    2. So you keep saying, yet how do say our demands for acceptance is damaging? The only thing that is damaging is your antiquated views.

      The family unit in 2012 is not longer one man and one woman. By claiming so you are ignoring the single parent families, who are single parents through no fault of their own. Isn’t best that children who need to be place in care are done so in a loving caring home, irrespective of the sex or sexuality of those carers or would you prefer them to pushed from home to home, not knowing love and stability? Wake up for goodness sake Ken!

      1. “The family unit in 2012 is not longer one man and one woman.” says McCabe.

        “The family unit in 2012 remains one man and one woman” says over 1million people in North Carolina and 95% of countries in the world. In other words, McCabe’s view is a MINORITY view

        1. Over million people in North Carolina are stuck in the same prehistoric century as you! You cannot ignore the fact that what you call traditional is no longer traditional to millions of families who are not what you think they should be.

          1. Ken Chekwas 9 May 2012, 10:58am

            “Over million people in North Carolina are stuck in the same prehistoric century as you!”

            Yeah and over 95% of the world’s population are also ‘stuck’ there. Only McCabe and a negligible minority are in the 35th century.Yippee!

        2. ““The family unit in 2012 remains one man and one woman” says over 1million people in North Carolina and 95% of countries in the world.”

          We don;t live in North Carolina…. and all other polls indicate the opposite, Ken, we’re growing support faster then you are losing support for your religious nonsense. Poor Ken. Delusional isn’t the word for it.

          1. Thanks Will for backing me up here!

        3. I’m glad to see you’re upholding the values of traditional biblical marriage, I mean without the bible as the last word on the subject, who knows what they might sanction…

    3. Hands off marrriage


  20. Any legislation that resists the minority demands of homosexuals to appear indistinguishable from hetereosexuals has my vote too.
    Hands off marrriage. You do greater harm to your need for ‘acceptance’ in society by pretending not to recognise it’s fundamental importance in the man woman family relationship.

    1. And yet you seem to remain glued to website which is specifically greaed to the LGBT community. Something you want to share with us Ken? No, then move on quietly please and take your ridiculous and outdated views with you and don’t let the door slam behind you

    2. “You do greater harm to your need for ‘acceptance’ in society by pretending not to recognise it’s fundamental importance in the man woman family relationship.”

      Actually, you its people like you and your dogma inspired prejudices that win us the war in the end…. normal people are repulsed buy your kind, and quite rightly so.

      Keep it up, soon we’ll have all the equality we need.

      1. Exactly, Will! I’ve shown a number of friends posts by ken and keith and skinner and aiden etc and it’s certainly jolted them out of their “Gay people are just fine – you don’t really see homophobia now” attitudes. Each one of those people has then gone on to sign the equal marriage petition, but, more importantly, they understand the threat from religious fundies and spiteful, hate-filled people who seek to divide us and thrive on hate – as witnessed by aiden’s pathetic ‘I’m going to have a good day now’ comment.

  21. Such a shame :(

  22. Michael Inkpin-Leissner 9 May 2012, 10:39am

    What a bunch of inbreeds!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 12:53pm

      Yes, indeed, a lot of heterosexual inbreeding in those bible belt states. Arguably, the American agitator Ken is one of them.

      1. If you go to a family reunion to meet women, you must be KEN!!!!! LOL!!!!

    2. North Carolina, where you can marry your cousin, just not your gay cousin.

  23. “When fascism arrives in America it will be wrapped in the flag of patriotism and carrying a cross”. Looks like it’s there now and taken hold in North Carolina.

    1. johnny.33308 9 May 2012, 11:20am

      It has been here for almost 40 yrs now and is only increasing since Americans become dumber and dumber as the years roll by. Disgusting! Both political parties are responsible for this destruction of rational thought and the ability to discern truth having been destroyed in the populace. It is beyond belief! All politicians here should be arrested and tried for TREASON!

  24. Can you have a good day by spending it in the closet?

    1. Aiden will have a usual day in the closet hunched over the laptop wanking over his favourite gay porn dribbling down his chin while chanting Oh! jesus who’s a naughty boy then. Come out of the sodding closet Aiden you self hating delusional.

  25. johnny.33308 9 May 2012, 11:15am

    Yet another black eye for the US….we have plenty of them already and this religious culture war imposed by the KKKristians upon the rest of us is tired and stupid. America, land of the stupid, but godly!!!! Right! What a bunch of morons we have voting in our country. Can’t wait to leave this place forever…..LGBTIQ people would be wise to leave the US taking all of their assets with them……

  26. “I’m going to have a good day today after hearing about this.”

    LMAO! This stuff makes your day?!? What a loser. Some of us have lives.

    But image how devastated a sad little person like you will be when marriage equality comes in to the UK…. Oh, I can’t wait to see how you feel if this news makes you day.

    1. No you have a life that revolves around what sexuality I am, thats so much better.

  27. Well today folks your agenda, was momentarily halted. North Carolina is now the 29th or 30th state to say NO, we support the family, we support real marriage.

    1. Gay people have families too. And if you supported “real” marriage you’d be campaigning to ban divorce, wouldn’t you? Did you not know that you and others’ obsession with other people’s lives only shows up the miserableness of your own? I feel sorry for you.

      1. Well said Iris

    2. That There Other David 9 May 2012, 12:36pm

      You support nothing but ignorance. Give yourself a slow clap.

      1. I think it already has THE clap.

    3. So when does your campaign to abolish divorce take off, Kezza?

  28. North Carolina has form when it comes to human right in general. it fought the hardest in the civil war over slavery and was renowned for being the state that contributed the most to the vile Confederacy.
    They also had to be forcefully compelled to give freedom to slaves long after the war was over and Lincoln had some very unflattering things to say about the inhabitants of the state.
    North Carolina also refused to recognise the end of the civil war and the fact the Feds had won and fought on for several months before being forced to surrender by economic means. Looks like the Feds are going to have to teach the North Carolan hillbillies some manners once again.
    The place is a quagmire of racism and religious bigotry of a particularly rabid typr and could compete well with the unspeakable WBC in Kansas…..

  29. There’s a problem with loading comments on this site, they don’t all appear

    1. right clic and selecting reload should solve your problem….

    2. Maybe the site doesn’t like you hater.

  30. I’ve found these two images to be very telling and fitting for what has happened in North Carolina:

  31. Another day, another reason to spit on the bible and hate the dumb beasts who believe in it.

    1. Grow up!

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 12:59pm

      I threw mine out when I was in my teens. Arguably one of the most creative works of fiction ever written.

    3. Actually, you should spit on anyone who claims to be a christian and gay. Both are incompatible.

      1. Staircase2 10 May 2012, 3:07am

        Bollocks are they…
        (you’re not too bright are you…)

    4. Staircase2 10 May 2012, 3:10am

      This is nonsense – this is not about the Bible – its not about Christianity – its not about Jesus and its not about God…

      This is about BIGOTRY plain and simple – ungodly, ignorant, fearful, reactionary, knee-jerk bigotry – nothing more and nothing less….

  32. On the wrong site for that! Take you idiotic statements elsewhere please

  33. Course you are, you can just imagine one for yourself. Everything else about you is imaginery too

  34. I doubt that very much! While equal marriage has not featured in the Queens speech as it is still in concultation, it will happen so you and your ilk had better get used it!

    1. I doubt it, it keeps getting pushed further and further back. Cameron clearly doesn’t have the numbers to pass it or he would have already. Like many of you say, theres no reason for this consultation, its not a consultation whether to have it or not, camerons decided he wants it to happen, so what is he consulting on???

      The fact is, he’s stalling, why is that you ask? Cos its not going to pass.

      1. B L Z Bub 9 May 2012, 1:25pm

        Who cares. Labour IS bringing it in too.

      2. I do rceall people like you saying the same when they started to introduce civil partnerships, and they went through didn’t they so you lost that one. And you will lose this one too. Labour have already stated tahy are in favour too so either wayit is going to happen.

  35. Yes, of course, because getting married really detroys family life, doesn;t it? HOW many bottles of Magners have you had? Try a sweeter cider – this one’s clearly making you very bitter.

    Obessing over us won’t distract you from the miserableness of your own life. I pity you.

    1. Iris, I have a lovely life thank you, a loving family, a loving girlfriend, with plans to get married and have kids later.

      That’s why I defend it so passionately.

      1. And that’s why you’re on a website for gay people, of course.

        You must be very insecure to feel so threatened by equal marriage. For myself, I can’t understand why you would or could see it that way.

      2. Other people getting married wouldn’t affect your forthcoming marriage one jot, so wanting to ‘defend’ it is utterly illogical. Not to mention, if you really wanted to defend marriage itself you’d be campaigning to stop divorce.

        I think what you really mean is you want to retain your privileged position so seek to deprive other people of rights you can choose to enjoy. That’s what I meant about you having a miserable life – those who are truly happy get on with their own lives rather than obsessing about other people’s. Doing so is symptomatic of deep unhappiness.

        Most straight people don’t care about LGBT people’s lives at all because they’re busy enjoying their own. And they certainly don’t post on LGBT sites! What do you hope to get out of it? Does crowing about some little state in the US treating their citizens unequally REALLY make you happy? That’s sad.

  36. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 12:58pm

    Well, moron, we’re winning, 11 countries already and more to follow whether you like it or not. Get over it and get over yourself. Your days are numbered. Why don’t you go live in the middle east, they’d love your bigotry and you’d love living in a theocracy where so called ‘christians’ are persecuted and your god wouldn’t be able to help you let alone save you. I’d be the first to pay for your air fare. Oh and by the way, some of those backward countries practice heterosexual polygamy in keeping with the old testament via the Quran, up to four wives at a time.

    1. 11 countries out of 203 is considered winning now is it? The momentum was in your favour, but now 30 states have actively banned gay marriage, the momentum in the US is with marriage not with gays. A majority of states have actually moved to ban it in their constitutions.

      1. Gays are not against marriage, they want to join in and support it.

        1. Poor Kezza, he thinks that all we want to do is bugger and wait in the bushes to jump out at children. I pity the children raised by a man like this.
          BTW K. I have been with the same partner for 55 years, give me a call when you get to that goal you silly and pathetic person.

  37. B L Z Bub,
    Recognising that marriage is -and always has been- a heterosexual institution does not make be a bigot.
    It has existed outside the law AND religion in this manner since recorded history.
    You have no right to redefine marriage. You do, however, have right to have access to the same legal and financial rights via civil partnerships.

    Go live in the US and other less understanding countries and you’ll find out the meaning of true bigotry.

    Instead of whining about how you’re not allowed to be called married.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 1:09pm

      Another stupid statement. Heterosexual civil marriage redefined marriage for people who commit adultery, sometimes many times and sometimes marry many times.

      If CPs are so equal, why aren’t heterosexuals who choose not to marry demanding them? Why aren’t they the universal standard for gay couples around the world? You’re an idiot. 11 countries have abandoned them and more will follow. If you can’t figure that out, then you’re even more of a delusional fool than you appear to be.

      Maybe all of those heterosexual adulterers and divorced people, you know, those people who believe in the sanctity of marriage and family values should petition the government to allow them access to a CP? Hopefully, you’d be the first to sign but you wouldn’t would you? You’re really stupid.

      1. Robert, of course marriage has been redefined many times over, but NEVER has it been allowed between same sex couples.
        And abusing me will not help your argument; you’re deluded if you wish to ape heterosexuality. It’s pathetic. Gay marriage is an oxymoron. A ridiculous concept.

        Let’s not even go into consummation aspect…

        And, yes, I would sign a cp. I’m not such a **** -unlike you it seems- to think that being called married is important.

        But gay rights people always have to wind up the majority; they couldn’t accept that civil unions were enough and had to push their luck. The result? They don’t even have civil unions in North Carolina anymore.

        1. There HAVE been marriages between people of the same sex in the past. And if you think appeasing bigots works then think again. CPs were introduced and so-named to appease the religious. That’s clearly not worked at all as some of them never shut up whining about gay people. Appeasing them with CPs was pointless.

    2. B L Z Bub 9 May 2012, 1:24pm

      And you have NO right to claim it as yours either.

    3. More dumb filth.

      Marriage was once a property relationship between a father and a prospective husband, the woman had no choice and no legal autonomy and was nothing but chattel. You are harping on to antiquity when you don’t even bloody understand it.

      Marriage has been evolving for centuries – always for the better – and will continue to do so.

      1. Marriage has never evolved to include gay people, though, has it? Maybe it’s because they cannot procreate.

        Which anybody with any intelligence knows is the principle behind marriage.
        If gay people can get married, I demand the right to marry my 3 lovers- we are all deeply committed to each other and are in love. You wouldn’t deny us marriage, would you? After all, this is the criteria for same sex marriage is it not? Love and commitment.

        1. In the middle east you can already marry your 3 lovers.
          Seems like polygamy isn’t necessarily a bar for marriage anyhow, certainly not by biblical standards.
          Solomon managed 700 wives and 300 concubines.
          See where this hetrosexual marriage ends up… it’s a slippery slope to polygamy I tells ya.
          If you’re going to assert an arbitary exclusion for gay people getting married you’ll have to do better than that.

        2. So you’re keith, are you? Figures…

        3. So if you use the procreation line, yawn, should all those heteros that marry be made to have kids?

  38. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 1:03pm

    Destroying family life? Are you for real? What about the serial hetero adulterers such as Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina, republican Newt Gingrich, Sir Roger Gale of the UK, Tory MP Nadine Dorries? Seems that heterosexuals are doing a very good job of destroying family life and having children out of wedlock, you stupid hypocrite.

    1. a few people breaking their promise does not lead to a whole mob being allowed to alter the meaning of marriage for ever.

      1. A few people? Do you have any idea how many UK marriages will end in divorce within 10 years? (Hint: over half.)

      2. How exaclty would same sex marriage destry family life? Would you care to elaborate on that?

  39. Robert in S. Kensington 9 May 2012, 1:10pm

    11 countries legalising equal civil marriage, more to follow. That’s a result too, loser.

    1. A result of backwardness, yes.


      1. Clearly you don’t have to be gay to be a drama queen.

    2. Obviously, Mr. Robert does’nt understand statistics. 192 against 11. You work the maths Roberts

  40. I am already sipping some wine and have been all smiles all day. Well done North Carolina!

    1. What a truly nasty, mean-spirited person you sound.

      1. Indeed – taking pleasure that many people in North Carolina have been denied rights. What kind of person would get off on that? Another bitter troll who pretends to have a great life but is clearly unhappy inside – so much so that he’s become bitter and spiteful.

        1. Ken, Kezza and Jean appear to get off on gay websites. Clearly they have identity issues don’t you think?

        2. I hope you don’t mean sexual identity, D McCabe, I most certainly don’t want those specimens on my side of the fence, thanks all the same!

          1. No, that post was in reply to something else. I complained about the absuive language being used by Kezza D (the F word) and it looks like they could now be deleting many of his posts

        3. “What kind of person would get off on that?” Sounds like a piece of the so called christion majority.

      2. “What a truly nasty, mean-spirited person you sound.”

        And pathologically damaged.

        Still, I wonder will Rosemary and Peter Bull will share that drink with you. There are so many right wing losers these days, you simply must have so much demand for that drink.

  41. The majority is clear!

    1. B L Z Bub 9 May 2012, 1:21pm

      Why don’t you 2 lover boys go find a room and exchange your venom with each other.

    2. That Magners is obviously having its effect if you can’t even write ‘Hear, hear’ properly. (Somehow I’m not particularly surprised.)

      1. I read it as an enticing call to Ken not approval of what he said ;)

  42. B L Z Bub 9 May 2012, 1:25pm

    Get a life you loser. Hanging around gay sites. How sad.

    1. Why? What possible effect can others’ marriages have on your own, even if you live in North Carolina?

    2. Traditional marriage?? What would that be? Incest (see Biible), polygamy (ditto)? No thanks!

    3. Christianity is not exactly playing nicely either is it Kezza D, don’t come on here making out Christianity is the victim, when clearly it is the instigator.


      You don’t sound very happy to me Kezza, in fact you sound quite an angry little man.

  43. Ooh, the ‘militant gay agenda’, that dyed-in-the-wool Daily Express phrase. True capacity for debate (and intelligence) duly signalled loud and clear.

  44. “The Coalition to Protect NC Families, the pro-gay marriage and anti-Amendment One group, raised more than $2.5 million. That eclipsed the $1.5 million raised by the anti-gay marriage and pro-Amendment One group Vote For Marriage NC.”

    Money can’t buy you marriage!

    1. A quote without a stated source is meaningless.

      1. you outspent us, but traditional marriage still won and defeated your big government money

        1. “you outspent us” according to whom?

          1. According to ALL the media reports and filings by the two groups. Read the news!

        1. OK, fair enough. Oh, and remind me: how much was spent pro and anti Proposition 8 in California?

    2. And how much was spent by “religious” pukes who would rather be sadistic than actually help people.

      All of this because Mary was the local c0me dumpster and Joseph was to thick to realise it.

      1. Valksy you outspent us, thats fact, no matter how much religions spent, it doenst matter as they were still masivvely outspent by the gay lobby and the big government money,



        1. Only in the backward states of the US. And I quite agree that money isn’t the answer. It seems that bigotry and hate were what swayed the voters in N Carolina, just as it swayed them many years ago when they tried to defend slavery. Money isn’t guaranteed to overcome entrenched prejudices. Nothing to be proud of, hating other human beings.

          But why would you personally care anyway? If I got married (which I could do in a number of countries in Europe) would you suddenly have to cancel your own wedding? No, of course not. You can only be motivated by spite and hatred.


          Erudite shouting on a gay forum not withstanding, you seriously think this backwater state in the US is indicative of you bigots winning? LOL!

          You suffer form the terminally chronic denial that religious fools suffer from – the delusions of the losers.

          1. you simply cant count

            30 states actively ban it, out of 50, another 13, dont yet allow it, but its not constitutionally banned.

            Then on a worldwide basis, 192 of 203 countries dont have gay marriage, and yet a few wins in places like Canada and Sweden and you declare victory. YOUR A LOOOOOOONG WAY OFF


            Keep thinking that bigot. Your intellect is indicative of someone with acute learning difficulties, there’s no chance that someone like you could even find other countries on the map, its why you keep harping on about the 30 states in the US like that means something:- you kind are losing court battle after court battle. What’s it like to get stamped over by the queers? Hurts, does it?

        3. If any of you were true christians, you would be best spending your time and efforts on issues such a poverty and child neglect. As it currently stands, you waste your time spouting vile hateful words about something that ultimately will not affect you one iota! If you are so against same sex marriage, the choice really is clear, don’t marry someone of the same sex!

          1. ..And if any of you were truly concerned about gay rights and equality, you would be best spending your time and efforts on reducing HIV and stds among gay men, reducing gay suicides, depression, mental illnesses, eating disorders , cancers, etc. The last time I checked, the proportion of gays suffering from these was very UNEQUAL to heterosexuals.

            If you are so much for marriage, the choice really is clear, marry someone of the opposite sex!

          2. An idiotic statement. The depression (which can lead to suicide) among gay people is as often as not brought on by the strident, one could say militant, bigotry of the sort you espouse. You really do sound an exceptionally foolish, as well as downright nasty, person.

          3. Ken, we spend a lot of disposable income giving to charities that work to stop the spread of HIV even in countries where being gay is punishable by death so you tell me who has the better prioriteis here? The spread of Aids in Africa states is down to the RC church fooling people there into thinking the condom is the devils work and who is then left to pick up the pieces? Sure as hell not you so called Christians.
            Also, infection rates are slightly higher among hetrosexuals as is STI infectiosn. Contrary to what you may think.
            I’m all for equal marraige, I’m currently in a very loving civil partnership and when the time comes I will convert it to full marriage!

          4. “The last time I checked, the proportion of gays suffering from these was very UNEQUAL to heterosexuals.”

            Because of bigots like you, but that is changing. We remove these threats to us by removing your influence.

            And we’re doing that quite successfully. Ask Rosemary Bull, the poor sad old dear.

  45. All of which is in contravention of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. It’s meaningless sadistic posturing my slack-jawed racist, homophobic, xenophobic ignorant dimwits.

    1. Well 30 states seem to disagree with you :P

      1. 30 States is not the world. Buy an atlas, thicko (if you can afford one)

        1. ok and on that atlas i count 192 states that dont recognise gay marriage :P

  46. 30 states banning it may be correct, but of those many have found that is unconstitutional so the bans being overturned will only be a matter of time.

    I never wuite understand why you are on this site, shouldn’t you be reading the Mail or Telegraph where you pointless hot air would be welcome?

  47. Heterosexuals do a mighty fine job of that each and every day. The Divorce Courts are full of men and women at war with each other and their children are usually used as pawns on the board. Then we have the serial adulterers such as Mr Newt Gingrich and that other poster boy of the rabid delusional fundamentalists such as yourself, Rush Limbaugh, sometime drug addict and again upholder of the ‘institute of marriage’. Your hypocracy stinks to high ‘heaven’. Your hateful and rabid rantings shame any decent human being. You will hold the bastions of ignorance and ‘christian tradition’ for now, but not always and not for long. Your day is closing, the sun is setting on your hold on the minds of men and women across the world. Rosa Louise McCauley Parks showed the likes of you what happens when people say enough is enough, and get this message understood, we have had enough of your repulsive interpretations of ‘god’s’ word and we are going to make you eat them.

  48. Ah, the true colours of bigotry finally come out (in contrast to the apostrophes). You don’t sound all that happy a chappie Kezza, in fact you sound pretty twisted. Sad.

    1. On the contrary I’m delighted. Finally someone has stood up to your lot and said NO!

      I’m having a cider now to celebrate.

      While you are fighting your your selfish desires of just wanting to bugger eachother and mock marriage. We are fighting for our wives and kids. So our kids can grow up in a world without you lot attacking them

      1. You haven’t actually said No until that last pointelss post. Move on Kezza, go look at sites where you opinion may be valued .

      2. B L Z Bub 9 May 2012, 2:35pm

        Hope it chokes you………

      3. Sue Brown 9 May 2012, 2:37pm

        My children are decent, happy kids who don’t care whether people are straight or gay. They don’t need people like you fighting for them.

      4. That would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Just how deluded ARE you? And how many ciders is that now?

    2. I contacted PN about the term used and they have removed that post

  49. So now you show your true colours by resorting to childish name calling! As I stated before, grow up!

  50. Even when the gay agenda outspends us traditional marriage still wins!!!

    We may not have the big money, but we have something you will never have as long as you live!!! VALUES!!!

    1. Our values far outweigh yours

    2. Are a joke? Values that include hatred for your fellow citizens?

  51. Gay people on here, Never again underestimate the love a mother or father have for eachother and their kids.

    1. What? Are you drunk?

    2. None of us do! My mother and father love me very much, they taught me how to love and respect other people for who, not what they are. Not quite sure the same can be said for you and I really do pity any children that you may have. Being brought up by someone with so much hatred would truly be a terrible thing

      1. Well said!

    3. Straight people on here, never again underestimate the love a mother and father have for each other and their gay kids.


    There we have it – well done Kezza, the more angry little bigots like you, the more we win becuase normal people see you for the freak you are.

    And may I say, what a delightful intellect you demonstrate. Didn’t you you parents have the money to send you to college?

  53. If anyone hasn’t read either or both of Joe Bageant’s books, “Deer Hunting with Jesus” or “Rainbow Pie”, do yourself a favor and read them. They go a long way to explaining Southern redneck thinking.

  54. I wonder if any pastors sold one of their private jets to finance this.

  55. Looks like their may be ballot fraud by the republicans.

  56. Print up the T shirts and car stickers! ‘ Welcome to North Carolina- The most undemocratic state in the USA!

  57. Art Pearson 9 May 2012, 9:30pm

    What absolutely disgusting bigottry. So much for Americal’s much vaunted ‘Freedom’. Sure makes me glad I’m a Canadian!

  58. Staircase2 10 May 2012, 3:08am

    It wasnt until after I wrote my earlier comment that I discovered that the last time that North Carolina passed legislation on marriage was to ban mixed race marriage….(they even used the word ‘forever’…the doughnuts!)

    Things change simply because history favours Human Rights & Equality…

  59. Gay activist Paul Mitchell 10 May 2012, 3:41am

    North Carolina voters (62 percent of them in fact) are on the wrong side of history. On all interstate highways that lead into North Carolina should have sign that says:

    “Welcome to North Carolina, the hillbilly redneck state of gay hate – endorsed and justified by the 2000 year old Bible!”

    New Mexico is now the only US state left neutral or the only southern US state that does not ban and/or allow same gender marriages.

    Also on the North Carolina subject, this sodomy law is still on their books, I just found this:

    Section 14-117
    If any person shall commit the crime against nature, with mankind or beast, he shall be punished as a Class I felon.

    Legal source:

  60. Gay activist Paul Mitchell 10 May 2012, 3:48am

    I found this article useful as well on the 600 year old sodomy law of the NC state.

  61. Gay activist Paul Mitchell 10 May 2012, 3:52am

    Back in 2008, this happened:

    State Sen. Ellie Kinnaird, a Carrboro Democrat, said she has tried for years to get the statute rescinded, but the legislature has not agreed. (Bills in 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003 and 2005 were sent to committee. A similar bill in 1993 was reported unfavorably.)
    “I press it every year,” she said. “It would be politically difficult, but that doesn’t matter — it’s unconstitutional.”

    Read more here:


  62. the dangers of democracy
    90 % idiots can keep in submission 10% gays LGBT.Shame on america to even bother about what goes in MY ASS . i would not like to see what goes out of yours , America rich do not even what to give proper health care to the needy . not my model of society ever

  63. time to boycott NC and its products

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