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  1. GulliverUK 8 May 2012, 1:10pm

    Just in case they get it, and we don’t, I’ve decided to start learning French ! Just checking the Rosetta Stone for a course :)

    1. What a good idea, the couple of years French I did at school isn’t really much practical use in conversation although it helps a bit with getting around and shopping etc.
      You could make a start with the BBC on-line language courses

      1. GulliverUK 8 May 2012, 2:33pm


        merci beaucoup :D xx

        1. Trie bien ^^

  2. Lets hope that he keeps to his words!

    1. Champagbe socialists talk a lot, but it usually stays as enpty promises.

      1. A spineless little anon spews crap – the facts who has delivered marriage equality around the world. From the Netherlands, to Canada to Spain and others it has been the left.

  3. Here’s hoping he gets a Socialist/left wing majority in the national assembly next month!

    Well done France and FH and good riddance to Sarkozy and hopefully soon the UMP party from the assembly.

    1. bobbleobble 8 May 2012, 3:10pm

      I think this is the important point. If he doesn’t get a socialist majority in the French Parliament then he’s got no chance of getting anywhere with this anyway.

    2. You’re absolutely right on this: he can’t do much if his party doesn’t win the majority in the national assembly. So let’s hope the Socalist Party will be able to repeat Sunday’s victory next month.
      If that’s the case, same-sex marriage will become a reality in France next year.

  4. I think this is very exciting news. If he can bring equal marriage to France quickly, it can only add to the pressure on the con-dem government to keep to their word and introduce this legislation. With Spain, Portugal, France, Britain (hopefully), the pressure would then mount on the Germans not to be left behind. Just need to get rid of Merkel first.

  5. Fingers crossed for the French LGBT community. They could well end up with equal marriage before us Brits! It would show up our lack of resolve especially if the Torys try to drop Marriage equality from Wednesdays Queens speech. You would hope the Lib Dems would fight this off? I have written to my local Tory MP for support and trust David Cameron stays true to his word! Should be an interesting week.

    1. Marriage equality was never going to be in this years Queens speech, the consultation will not be concluded in time so it can’t be included.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 8 May 2012, 1:43pm

      The consultation is still underway until June 14, no legislation has been drafted yet so it wouldn’t make sense to include it in the Queen’s speech and it’s not that important at this point, getting it into Parliament and passed is the ultimate goal.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 8 May 2012, 2:14pm

      Not so sure about France getting equal marriage ahead of us. Its parliament wasn’t exactly enthralled when it was brought up several months ago. Most of the French are catholic so it will be interesting to see how public opinion plays out.

      1. Most of the French are catholic…

        Yes, but so are the Spanish and look how things worked out there.

        1. Most of Argentina is also Catholic…

        2. Robert in S. Kensington 8 May 2012, 3:24pm

          True, as are Portugal and Belgium.

        3. In the USA the majority of Catholic (excluding the bishops) support marriage equality, including the Vice President, as did the late Ted Kennedy and ex presidential candidate John Kerry.

          The great thing about so many Catholics is they just ignore their leaders.

      2. According to several polls, a clear majority of the French are in favour of marriage equality (about 60% for it).
        The reason why equal marriage failed in parliament several months ago is simple. It was largely controlled by UMP (the Conservatives) who killed the bill on their own.

      3. Franck in Paris 8 May 2012, 5:49pm

        Only about 15% of the French are practicing Catholics, and only about 80% of those voted for Sarkozy in Sunday’s second round. Over 60% of the French electorate favors marriage equality. Sarkozy was not only playing to the hard right wing when he took the anti-equality stance, he was bucking French public opinion.

      4. France also has the policy of “la laicité” i.e. the separation of religion from the state (hence the burkha ban) therefore, religion should not theoretically be able to be used against the introduction of the law.

      5. Michael Carré 9 May 2012, 1:52am

        “Wasn’t exactly thralled”? It was voted down by 222 to ‘just’ 293 in a UMP-majority Assemblée. The PS has since made this a central issue. Keep your fingers crossed for a parliamentary majority in June’s election and marriage equality will be a reality this time next year.

  6. No, it hasn’t; the man hasn’t got the balls. Don’t bother posting me any replies till his 5 years is up, guys. That way you can read my “i told you so” in 2017 and save your fingertips now!

    1. ‘… the man hasn’t got the balls…’

      do you?

      1. Hello Kane. I’m not a politician, I’m afraid, so I don’t see how your question can be seriously measured and replied to; a nice, safe question to ask, isn’t it? I can tell you, however, that I am a Spanish citizen, and MARRIED – not civilly united or whatever, to my Spanish husband. We were one of the first couples to get married, married by a politician friend of mine, married in full leathers and were in the papers. Is that how you measure a man’s ‘balls’, Kane? Or perhaps you were being disingenuous. Either way, I’m sad to say I think my comment still stands and that M. Hollande won’t be doing anything at all for gay people.

        1. i applied your approach in my response, but instead of guessing and assuming like you did i have at least asked

          i think it would be wise to wait and see before prophesying

    2. Oh dear, sorry folks. I can see my comment has attracted not a few thumbs down. Look, I hope he does, I really do. I just don’t think he will, and instead, he’ll shift it onto the back-burner and let the gas slowly go out. However, if he does do it, in his term, I promise to write another comment and say a big ‘sorry I woz rong!’ OK?

      1. Its just a comment forum, don’t take it so seriously.

      2. Rufusred

        People said the same about the law being passed in Argentina, Portugal and Spain …

        It happened there, why not France?

  7. yet again socialist at the forefront of affording equality to lgbt

  8. Jasper Foucault 8 May 2012, 2:24pm

    Oh no, the French will beat us to equal marriage! Come on Cameron, speed it up please!

    But just wondering, given the first paragraph, which readers are unaware that France is in Europe.

  9. I can just see the UK right wing jumping on a ‘Frenchies allow same-sex marriage’ band-wagon.

    and PACS? thats nearly as funny as CP!!

  10. Gay people are allowed Civil Solidarity Pacts which offer barely half of the rights of marriage and no rights of adoption of AI while Straight couples are allowed marriage AND PACS.

    I guess you have to be a judge, highly educated and very experienced in law, to find a way to claim that there is no discrimination against gay couples.

    1. bobbleobble 8 May 2012, 3:08pm

      It’s actually got very little to do with law and the Convention itself. It’s all about self-preservation. If the ECHR found a right to equal marriage in the convention then it would apply to every nation that’s signed up to the Convention including Russia, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc. I can’t imagine those governments being too happy about it. The Court is covering its back on this one, shamefully so.

      However, once we get to 50% plus of the nations of the convention allowing gay people to marry then the excuse that they’ve been using so far (that there’s no consensus and therefore it’s up to the individual member states) goes away and they’ll either have to grow a pair or look even more ridiculous than they do already.

      Of course not allowing gay people to marry is a breach of the convention but the judges have developed incredibly skills at avoiding stating it.

      1. it is obvious to any novice without basic legal understanding that the situation where inferior pacs are available to everybody and marriage just to some is clearly discriminatory to those who are not allowed to marry.

        1. You see Kane, I agree with you completely. I simply don’think he’ll do it.

    2. Franck in Paris 8 May 2012, 5:53pm

      The PACs has been strengthened since it was passed in 1999. Except for calling it a “marriage,” getting a civil ceremony, adoption, and survivor’s benefits, there’s not much difference today between the rights afforded by the PACs and those granted through marriage. Actually over 80% of the PACs performed are for heterosexual couples; it’s become quite popular because the procedure is so simple and the rights so broad. All that said, when Hollande passes the marriage equality bill, I’m going to City Hall to tie the knot!

      1. Franck sorry your statement is just plane untrue. Try and take your French Pacs anywhere internationally and you will find just how little currency it has compared to marriage or in fact the civil unions that are available in the UK and Germany.

  11. Junior Staff nurse Guthrie. 8 May 2012, 3:30pm

    Everyone knows that homodeviants vote with their sex organs. Who cares about fiscal policy, crime and violence , industrial growth? The most important aspect of any manifesto is the acceptance of homodeviance and all else is secondary to those that are defined by their sexual preferences/choices

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 8 May 2012, 3:48pm

      Take another prozac, idiot!

      1. i think he is on his second bottle of value brand mouthwash

        1. Meths

    2. Another Hate crime

    3. @ whatever your name is, how do you vote with your sex organs? (that description makes me laugh, you’re such a fool) You’ve got sex on the brain if you’ve imagined someone getting their c0ck out to somehow put a cross on a ballot paper – how do they make the cross – plss, cum? or do you know someone who can write with their ‘sex organs’.

    4. I find your claim somewhat incredulous given the difficulty that would be involved with using one’s sex organs to write out the crosses in the correct boxes on the ballot paper O.o

    5. “The most important aspect of any manifesto is the acceptance of homodeviance and all else is secondary to those that are defined by their sexual preferences/choices”

      Is that what they thought you are the ex-gay school for freaks?

  12. Just when you thought the French were lost now there is a light of hope after in this man.

  13. Peter & Michael 8 May 2012, 6:27pm

    Let us all hope that France will enact Same-Sex Marriage as soon as possible showing that the UK is unequal in allowing LGBT couples to have their Equality in their lives.

  14. It’s good to see that France, the land that gave us great gay men like Michel Foucault and Marcel Proust is finally coming to its sense.

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