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Defence minister: Equal marriage contributed to Tory local election losses

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  1. Dave North 4 May 2012, 10:53am

    And so it begins…………………

    1. de Villiers 4 May 2012, 12:08pm

      I have seen many of such stupid posts “And so it begins…” as if we were watching the start of some third rate American blockbuster.

      Political progress is slow, long and boring. All policy work and movement has a history. Nothing just “begins”.

      In any event, what is it that is just beginning? Surely not the sounding-off of the usual suspects, right-wing, ‘traditional’ values, deputés who have never supported equal rights and probably never will. Or is it the fact that there is a Prime Minister of the centre-right who only a couple of days ago before the local elections re-affirmed his view as to gay marriage?

      The rights gained by gay people are not about to be repealed. The Equality Act is unlikely to amended. Civil partnerships are not going away. Gay people have equal rights to serve in the military. Gay couples in civil partnerships are already treated in English common-law as having identical rights to those who are married, all three political parties support gay marriage.

      1. I have seen many such arrogant posts as these condemning other commentators as “stupid”

        1. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 12:52pm

          @Vincent…
          …..De Villiers is a far right religionst apologist and tends to think he is the unofficial editor of PINK NEWS, The majority of his comments tend to condemn other commentators as either stupid or anti this or that and rarely comments on the actual article in the thread. Quite a few commentators have left the page because of bullying from De Villiers and Rehan another commentator bully and their ilk.

          1. Rehan pointing out racism is not bullying. That’s a perverse, backwards argument if ever I saw one.

          2. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 1:02pm

            That’s a bit rich coming from you.
            Notes: 125 comments on this board by you this week alone.

          3. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 1:28pm

            @Joss…
            …when called on the accusations Rehan was unable to reference any racist comments i made as was Ben Cohen. I had another commentator trawl my comments and was also unable to find any comments of mine that could be construed or misconstrued as being racist…
            @Spanner…
            ……..How is making 125 comments on a News site bullying?

          4. de villiers 4 May 2012, 2:50pm

            And you Paddy, have contributed 134 comments this week – second to top. Quite the bully yourself.

          5. How does commenting x many times make someone a bully? What is the correlation?

      2. Dave North 4 May 2012, 1:41pm

        P!ss off.

        I cannot even be bothered to answer.

      3. de villiers 4 May 2012, 2:48pm

        How unoriginal and stupid. Your comments speak for themselves.

        1. Dave North 4 May 2012, 3:23pm

          As I said.

          P!ss off.

          I cannot even be bothered to answer.

          Which part of that is too complex for you……..

          1. de Villiers 5 May 2012, 8:22am

            Nothing you have said is remotely complex.

    2. “Babylon 5″ was a great tv programme, wasn’t it?

  2. Dr Robin Guthrie 4 May 2012, 10:57am

    Stupid prat.

    Labour, who have gained massively in these elections are IN FAVOUR of it.

    Didn’t hurt their chances, did it.

    This is why you are STILL a JUNIOR minister at your age.

    1. Paula Thomas 4 May 2012, 11:01am

      How long do you think he’ll remain a minister at all? I am giving him till the summer at the outside!

      1. My thoughts exatcly!! Maybe we need a specific Anti-Gay party so these thoughts can be assessed and measured correctly! What a tool.. (Junior Defense? He looks a bit old – must have been held back in school..)

        1. A specific anti-gay party?

          Judging by the vast numbers of homophobic extremists (like this Gerald Howarth creature) in the Tories, I think that party already exists.

          1. You must know that can’t be true/or make any sense if the leader of the Tory party and several senior party members are in favour of marriage equality so why say it?

            It’s just hyperbole and hot air.

            The Tories are a divided party who don’t seem to know what they stand for, would be a much fairer assessment.

          2. Anti gay party – thats UKIP, surely?

      2. There’s talk of a Ministerial re-shuffle, he’ll be out on his ear :)

        1. …and straight into the Lords where he can spout more of this nonsense.

    2. That’s right Mr Howarth, people aren’t worried about pensions, jobs, poor returns on savings, they are worried about same sex marriage? Is that what you are really saying? If that’s true why would they vote labour?

    3. i havent even read the article and this was the first thing i said ?

    4. Stupid prat. [Very mature line of reasoning!]

      Labour, who have gained massively in these elections are IN FAVOUR of it. [But Labour voters voted Labour; it seems that lots of Cons voters just didn't vote or voted UKIP (over the issue of 'gay marriage', they had no choice except to not vote) - which would therefore lead to a Labour win by default... So the Minister may not be such a stupid pr*t after all]

      Didn’t hurt their chances, did it. [See above - Labour is a Left-leaning culturally Marxist party, so that party's voters would actively seek policies that many would deem 'social experimentation']

      This is why you are STILL a JUNIOR minister at your age. [A nice bit of mature reflection at the end... Thanks for that]

  3. Let’s get one thing clear, the large loses for the Tory party were nothing to do with the equal marraige debate, more the fact that people in this country are being squeezed to within an inch of their lives with finances while the Tory rich boys & girls scoff and laugh at us from their ivory towers!

    This man should have no place in government and Mr. Cameron should grow some balls and get rid of him.

    1. de Villiers 4 May 2012, 12:10pm

      I agree it had nothing to do with gay marriage. It was all about the economy, the disastrous budget, and the prevalence of corruption surrounding the government and Rupert Murdoch.

      1. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 1:11pm

        Yes, but let’s not forget, virtually every government for the last 40 years has been in Murdoch’s pocket. It just so happened it all came out on Cameron’s watch.

    2. There is nothing wrong with people being rich! You are making it out to be a bad thing! Btw i am not a Tory voter, just to make it clear.

      1. When they’re wealth allows them to exploit the tax holes and generally avoid having to put up with the recession, I definitely see it as a negative aspect. In fact I would say it brings into question their character, if they’re willing to see the state of many people in the current climate and still do all they can to screw the rest of us over.

  4. What a fool!, Labour favour marriage equality and annihilated the tories, so much for this idiots theory.

  5. The Coalition losses yesterday had nothing to do with equal marriage and everything to do with cuts & Murdoch-related sleaze. What utter rubbish.

  6. What a dimwit! People who are opposed to marriage equality are not going to switch allegiance to Labour!

    The homophobia behind his statements is so thinly-veiled that it is obvious he is nothing more than a snivelling bigot. There should be zero tolerance of bigots like him. I hope his actions have ensured he is now on a blacklist and his career is effectively over.

    1. I think it was UKIP he was worried about, not Labour. It’s perfectly possible that Tory support will cleave in two – with most of the bigots and others going off to support the Fruitcake party. That worries the pants off the also rans in the Government. Cameron must hold his nerve.

  7. Actually I think he is right. When you look at the terrible turnout (32%) and the gains by UKIP the Tory vote crumbled. Like it or not the backwoods, fossilized, reactionary, Daily Mail reading Tories (which are depressingly large in number) hate the idea. They feel disenfranchised and alienated from their own party.
    The question will be how does Cameron react to this. Every time the Tory party has swung to the right (Hague, IDS, Howard) they have been hammered.
    Fortunately in the country at large, and particularly among younger voters (ie the future) support for gay marriage is strong. Cameron knows this.
    Dave North is right — expect to see gay marriage hauled up as a totem. It will be a battleground – and a test of Cameron’s nerve

  8. I think it’s scaremongering and a chance for him to bang on negatively about it. The simple fact is that although UKIP gained a little, most Tory seats went to Labour, who also support equal marriage, so where’s his logic here?
    All main parties support it, and I think the economy is the most relevant and people are shifting to labour because of the cuts, which they think labour would manage better.

    1. UKIP couldn’t possibly be gaining a little because of the Euro situation and the money we keep lending to the IMF…

      1. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 1:36pm

        From that perspective they are the only party that seems to see sense. Unfortunately though they have let themselves down over other issues such as same-sex marriage.

  9. I’m just wondering how long it’ll be before Gerald Howarth is involved in a scandal involving a young male.

  10. I bet The Christian Institute (why do christo-fascists love these pompous names?) will quote this asshole alone, rather than offering the balance give my Farron and Bryant.

    Call me psychic… :)

    1. by* Farron… I can’t get used to this new keyboard!

  11. From a man who’s never voted in favour of a single piece of equal (sexuality) rights legislation for his entire parliamentary tenure this is hardly a shock. And the fact that he wishes to show his objections as only against equal marriage shows what a sanctimonious wretch he is.

    It’s pretty obvious why they’re doing badly; they’re in the middle of a cuts programme where the fruits have yet to appear, they’re having persistent PR gaffes that make them look incompetent and governing parties always lose mid-term.

  12. There is a mandate for same sex marriage, the intention to look at upgrading civil partnerships to civil marriage was clearly stated in the 2010 Conservative Manifesto documents in their Equalities Pledge.

  13. Conservative Manifesto Equalities Contract 2010

    The manifesto documents Equalities Contract promises to look at upgrading civil partnerships to civil marriage.

    http://www.conservatives.com/news/news_stories/2010/05/~/media/Files/Downloadable%20Files/Manifesto/Equalities-Manifesto.ashx

  14. That There Other David 4 May 2012, 11:53am

    Hold on a sec…weren’t the anti-equality brigade saying that voters didn’t care about marriage equality?

    But now they’re saying voters do!!

    Which is it?

    1. Yes, totally.
      There doesn’t seem to be much joined-up thinking amongst the anti-gay distorters of reality, apparently lie will do in the short term to get them through to the next pack of lies.
      The dishonesty of these people is deeply disturbing

    2. I think that what the MP was saying was that only people who oppose marriage equality care and they’ve abandoned the Torries for that reason. The assumption seems to be that marriage equality supporters are only tepid in their feelings, but “true” conservatives are very passionate about their objections and therefore abandoned the party. Missing from his analysis is why Labor has done so well in the face of the fact that they support marriage equality. So, are the conclusions to be drawn that liberals support Labor because of same sex marriage, while the (very) conservative abandoned the Torries because they support same sex marriage? If so, that all sounds rather encouraging.

  15. Part of me thinks it would be good if significant amounts of Tory support was poached away by nutjob parties like UKIP and the BNP. That way the right in this country would be just as divided as the centre-left (between Labour and the Lib Dems) and the overall tenor of the debate would be shifted further leftwards where it should be. As long as the Tories are the only credible right-wing party in the country the right will hold a disproportionate power over politics that can only be damaging for all of us.

    1. de Villiers 4 May 2012, 12:14pm

      Only if you do not support the centre-right. England spent its way into bankruptcy under the centre-left. It is not a “global” crisis. It is an American and European crisis. South America are unaffected, for the most part. Austrialia is unaffected. The asian ‘tigers’ are largely unaffected.

      This country is in trouble because, under the left, the government spent rather than built up surpluses during the period of boom. Now the bust has arrived, there is no money to run a loose fiscal policy. The only powers available are from monetary policies, which effect from low interest rates and QE is uncertain.

      1. You assume the Tories would have run the economy during boom years any better than labour.

        That’s quite an amazing leap made with the benefit of hindsight.

        You can’t possibly know what the Tories would gave done

        What we do know is that current Tory economic policies are failing thus they have lost votes.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 12:31pm

          Austerity measures NEVER work. The history of recessions in all modern economies has proved time and time again that you have to spend your way out of it by investing in infrastructure for starters, as well as manufacturing. We have a very small manufacturing base in the UK, most jobs are shipped overseas for cheaper labour and exploitation. Until we get our manufacturing base back, the government’s austerity measures really won’t do much. Just look at Germany, Canada and China, hardly touched by the global meltdown in 2008. And the reason: manufacturing and exporting goods made in their respective countries. Cutting back on entitlements/benefits takes money out of the hands of people which means no purchasing power (supply and demand) and businesses suffer or close altogether, resulting in employment.

          1. Exactly

      2. America’s been hit terribly and they had a much more right wing government that were in charge, and aren’t we forgetting the Bankers hand in our economic mess?

      3. We haven’t had a centre-left government since the 70s. The labour party moved so far to the right under the Blair years that they’re practically tories in all but name.

        It was the centre-right Labour government under Blair and Brown, and the crazily far right US Bush government, that presided over this mess by failing to regulate the financial sector. Socialist Germany is doing very well at the moment, and the Scandinavian countries, which are even more left-wing, are doing even better. Funnily enough most South American states have left-wing governments too. And the austerity measures the right proposes to sort out the mess are worse than useless – which was exactly the case with the great depression until governments started spending to boost growth.

  16. Jock S. Trap 4 May 2012, 12:19pm

    What absolute rubbish. If this was the case would be have voted Labour instead esp as they are supposed to be supportive of Marriage Equality.
    -
    May I suggest the Defence Minister looks more closely at we blame should be and lets not forget it isn’t usual to have protest votes mid term.
    -
    The man is kidding himself.

    1. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 1:32pm

      “Supportive”?
      They had thirteen years of being supportive and did sweet fanny adams until they were kicked into touch by the ECHR.
      Labour would continue to sit on their hands and say CP’s were good enough simply because they don’t want to piss the Church off.

      Whatever you say about the Tories, you have to admire Cameron’s stance at basically telling the church to sit down and shut up.

      1. Jock S. Trap 5 May 2012, 12:33pm

        Very true Spanner!!

  17. Gerald Howarth can’t be a homophobe, after all he’s one of Derek Laud’s friends! LOL

  18. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 12:24pm

    It’s an act of desperation. People like this know that equal marriage is inevitable with eleven countries now legalising it and more to follow.

    This is just pure coincidence at a time when the economy is in bad shape and has NOTHING to do with equal mariage. The majority of the British public aren’t realy bothered about it and more than 50% of Tory MPs aren’t either according to the poll conducted by Comres on behalf of the Christian Institute. They thinkg that’s a victory? Hardly, in fact it suggests otherwise. The majority of the public aren’t religious either so it’s not going to make much difference to them once it passes. Even if the economy were booming, these bigoted old dinosaurs would still be spewing their nonsense. It has nothing to with a mandate across the country to introduce it. Full equality should apply to everyone regardless of gender or orientation. Would they opt for CP if available? NO, and we know why.

  19. Peter & Michael 4 May 2012, 12:26pm

    What a weak excuse, instead of being honest and saying that the economy is weak and saving rates are virtually nil, people having to live hand to mouth, kids starving, pensioners having to live off their savings, while the rich get richer. Same-Sex Marriage is going to happen, ‘Get Over It’, Mr Howarth !

  20. Totally bizarre! A major swing to LGBT-friendly Labour and no breakthrough for hate-mongerers UKIP / loses for BNP. Is this man on drugs or something? Is he really fit for purpose?

  21. Never heard of twerp.

  22. With the lowest turnout in recent record, no significant increase in UKIP gain seats and most votes going to a party that supports equal marriage; with this being a mid term election with massive cuts affecting public services, disatisfaction over the NHS, increasing unemployment, the economy in recession and the sleaze of Murdoch – what does a bigot decide to blame the electoral results on …., the gays! Well he can F@ck off.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 3:51pm

      It’s fear mongering, a veiled message to Tory MPs to either abstain or not vote for equal marriage. I think the laugh will be on him though in the final outcome.

  23. Mr Howarth might like to reflect on the fact that UKIP’s Dr. Julia ‘homosexuals should be grateful to heterosexuals’ Gasper – well known to regular PN readers – flatlined in Oxford with a derisory 69 votes! I’d get more than that from my mates if I stood for the Monster Raving Loonies!!!

    1. Fabulous – thought she would fail!

    2. Most people have more facebook friends than she has votes.

    3. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 1:05pm

      OxJack….
      …. “http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/general_election_2010/oxeast/”
      This page says the demented bint Julia Gasper D Phil. gained 1202 votes and lost her deposit. We must refrain from the sort of falsehood used by those who would demonise us if we are to prove that we are above their tactics of falsehoods.

      1. Twit! You’re looking at the 2010 general election results! Here are Oxford’s 2012 local election results:

        http://www.oxford.gov.uk/PageRender/decCD/Election_results_occw.htm

        Scroll down for Quarry and Risinghurst ward.

        1. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 1:38pm

          @OxJack…
          ……OOPS, My bad. My sincerest apologies. I should have examined the page better and never looked at the link at all. Again Sorry, but that is even better news. One would have thought that her result in 2010 would have shown her that her bigotry carried no weight with the good peeps of Oxford East.

          1. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 1:49pm

            @OxJack…
            ….however the name calling was uncalled for, don’t you think.

          2. I count ‘twit’ as friendly jocularity! Sorry if it offended . . .

        2. yes she got 69 votes. I’ve just looked.

      2. It even says 2010 in the URL you copied and pasted Paddyswurds.

  24. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 12:45pm

    Yea right, they don’t agree with the Tory proposals for Marriage Equality, so they then go out and vote for Labour, which is also committed to Marriage Equality.
    The man is a moron and the fact he is Defense Minister casts some doubt on Call me Daves judgement in appointing him.

  25. “Some of my best friends are in civil partnerships”…

    What self-respecting, sane gay person would be friends with this ignorant, bigoted a..h… ?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 3:50pm

      Believe me, even if he does have gay friends which I doubt (it’s the latest mantra homophobes employ as if it gets them off the homophobia charge), doesn’t mean he’s not homophobic. They all are behind our backs. There’s a name for it…..bigotry! They’re that stupid to think we’re that gullible to believe it. I’m happy with William Hague’s comment.

  26. Craig Denney 4 May 2012, 12:49pm

    Have you seen the BBC News? The BBC keep bring up the gay marriage question.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089

    They are pedalling discrimination!

    1. I saw Nick Robinson mention that loads of times last night. He said that Gerald Howarth had started to blame the gay marriage issue for poor Tory results.

      One other gripe I have with the BBC is that it has more or less ignored the fact that UKIP is using prejudice against LGBT people in the way the BNP appeal to racist attitudes.

      Check out an interview with Nigel Farage this morning – Farage wasn’t tackled on his party’s blatant homophobia in the lead-up to the local elections. It’s unlikely an equivalent interview with the BNP leader would be given such an easy time.

      1. Craig Denney 4 May 2012, 3:50pm

        Here is Nick Robinson’s Twitter account with his homophobia on their : http://twitter.com/#!/bbcnickrobinson

        It’s time the BBC had their comeuppance and we should set an example of Nick Robinson to start off with.

      2. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 4:10pm

        Are you referring to one little unassociated gay UKIP follower burning a flyer? I hardly call that homophobic.

        1. Craig Denney 4 May 2012, 4:32pm

          See how Nick Robinson treats other protesters

  27. Desperate rubbish from a desperate bigot, who, of course, numbers some of the objects of his contempt as his best friends.
    The usual crap.

  28. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 1:06pm

    If what this guy said was true, then one would assume that the right wing Tory types that were so affronted and offended by same-sex marriage would have moved over to UKIP, not Labour.

    Most disillusioned Tories would rather eat their own vomit rather than join the red scourge. A lot of losses were incurred by the LibDems because they admirably demonstrated they were just a flash in the pan and in the first chance they have had in decades to run the country, they completely cocked it up.

  29. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 1:09pm

    If Cameron does renege on his oft-quoted promise, there will be hell to pay from many people and he will only be digging his own grave as he will simply be seen as not to be trusted ever again, and he may as well just go and get his coat. He may not be the sharpest tool in the box, but he’s not that bloody stupid.

  30. Does the LGBTory group condemn this disgusting bigot’s opinions?

    If not then why not?

    (Here’s a clue – the Tories remain the party of homophobic hatred and the self-haters at LGBTory are too desperate for acceptance by a party that hates them to realise.

  31. Pity the BBC is ignoring the fact that UKIP is now appealing to homophobic attitudes in society. Why wasn’t Farage questioned about burning a picture of Brian Paddick. I’m fairly sure they would give a lot of coverage to any suggestions of racism.

    Farage interviewed this morning -

  32. Jaz wrote:
    “Actually I think he(the Defence Minister) is right. When you look at the terrible turnout (32%) and the gains by UKIP the Tory vote crumbled. Like it or not the backwoods, fossilized, reactionary, Daily Mail reading Tories (which are depressingly large in number) hate the idea. They feel disenfranchised and alienated from their own party.”

    Could not have said it better!

    1. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 1:57pm

      @Ken…
      .@Ken…
      …… your figures may be right, but your bigotry blinkers your impartiality as to the real cause of the Tory collapse in the Shires and that is their skewed handling of the economy. They squeezed the poor and elderly and handed largesse to the rich. They reduced taxes for the richest people in Britain and removed tax loopholes from the elderly. That is the real reason for their woeful showing and will also ensure their demise in 2015 unless they reverse their unfair squeezing of the poor and neediest.

      1. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 1:58pm

        Comment for Jaz. not Ken

        1. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 2:04pm

          @all…
          …I really shouldn’t keep throwing the notices from Specsavers that my specs are over three years old…..lol

  33. This man has no idea what he is talking about!

  34. whether you like it or not, the minister is right! I am one of the folk less inclined now to vote conservative becoz of their pushing thru this measure – and I know others are also.

    the vast majority of people who visit this forum will be in favour of marriage equality but that is not the point here.

    as for whether marriage equality is a good thing or not is the debate that needs to be had – and with this I am in agreement and accept in a democratic society that the final decision is with the electorate.

    1. So who will you vote for do you think John? UKIP or BNP you clearly can’t vote for labour or lib dems if your sole impetus for voting is to vote against equality?

    2. No JohnB

      Human rights are not the subject of refereda – never should be, and hopefully never ever will be.

      Its only those who wish to damage and suppress other minorities that think such things are a good idea.

      1. opps, typo – referenda

      2. Exactly, Stu. Majorities deciding the fates of minorities is not democracy, but mob-rule.

        1. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 4:19pm

          Er… Sorry, I hate to piss on your fireworks here, but that IS the definition of democracy. As a political concept, even it has it’s flaws.

          1. No Spanner.

            Human rights are not decided by a majority verdict.

            Human rights are inate and responsible governments do not absolve themselves of responsibility for ensuring their respect by asking for a majority decision on whether to be fair to minority groups.

      3. I do not regard marriage as a human right – if so we would allow polygamy, paedophila and incest. if it were I would agree with you.

        I do however agree that the majority should never damage or suppress the minority but neither should a minority redefine an institution to push forward their agenda.

        as for voting, it is is based on who will do the best overall – and in this aspect I feel the conservatives, like LD and Labour have got it wrong.

        1. So you disagree with the UN declaraion of human rights, JohnB?

          Are you telling me that you support UKIP or BNP?

    3. Paddyswurds 4 May 2012, 2:12pm

      @JohnB…
      ……..you are completely wrong or being disingenuous because, as you should know by now, unless you live in a cave, that the Tory mishandling of the economy was the real reason for the collapse in their vote. They squeezed the poor and unemployed and gave the richest a huge tax break……….The rich don’t vote or rarely do and the poor have nothing else to do since the Tories took the country into a double dip recession so that there are no jobs and business is suffering because the banks wont lend money…..

    4. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 3:47pm

      I challenge you, to contact the governments of Holland, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Norway, Sweden, Canada, Iceland, South Africa, Argentina and provide us with the factual evidence that A. equal civil marriage has harmed marriage, B. Has heralded polygamy, incest and bestial relationships or brought about a demand for them. I’ve contacted C4M and received no response as expected. If you don’t like equal civil marriage, don’t have one, idiot. It doesn’t affect you one iota and if it does, provide the evidence.

    5. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 4:11pm

      Maybe he is right, but I bet you wouldn’t turn to Labour to seek solace.

    6. @JohnB

      Really ? You suggest that full equality and human rights (human rights that you enjoy) should only be available to LGBT people if the majority of the electorate so deem ?

      You don’t think that the principle of full human rights and full equality for people regardless of who they fall in love with is a better way than popular vote ?

    7. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2012, 12:20pm

      Really? If so why vote for another party equally supportive of Marrige Equality?
      -
      You argument makes no sense.

  35. Conservative = backward
    against progress – So good I am glad these issues contributed to the tory loses – it’s call Democracy

  36. ‘This is a Christian country’ – No it isn’t this is a country where the largest held superstition is Xtian.

  37. Genuine Factors in the Conservative/Lib Dem local election collapse:

    * Recession
    * Unemployment
    * Cuts in jobs
    * Cuts in Public Services
    * Sleaze from Murdoch
    * Lack of Investment
    * Mid Term government
    * Local Issues

  38. Oh don’t we know how to really scrape the bottom of any rotten barrel. Which sump hole did this creep crawl out of? Never, ever, ever accept responsibility for your own actions when you can blame your failures on someone else.. Straight out of the ‘It’s not me Miss. Jimmy made me do it Miss’, school. Let’s hope his constituents don’t accept him as a candidate in the next election. Is that asking too much?

  39. ““Some of my best friends are in civil partnerships, which is fine,”

    Why do all these homophobes claim to have gay friends who are fine with their homophobia??

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 4 May 2012, 3:21pm

      I may have homophobic colleagues and or neighbours who I have no choice but to get on with, but I would NEVER have homophobic friends.

      What kind of friend denigrates a friend.

  40. Avalokiteshvara 4 May 2012, 2:25pm

    Sounds like some wishful thinking on his part, or he’s simply delusional.

  41. Pensions, wages, jobs are being shot at. Does this man really think that people lay awake at night worrying about same sex marriage? Get a grip.

  42. Seems I owe the Christian Institute a (tepid) apology.

    As predicted, they did run with Howarth’s frankly absurd claims in their C4M site, but William Hague’s comments were also briefly noted.

    http://c4m.org.uk/2012/05/government-minister-gay-marriage-cost-tories-at-local-elections/

  43. Bill Perdue 4 May 2012, 3:00pm

    Exactly, the Tories Thatcherite austerity measures had nothing to do with it.

  44. Labour get their arses handed to them in a by-election. Blame the muslims.

    Conservatives get their arses handed to them across the country in local elections. Blame the homos.

  45. Nice job by this minister of reminding us of the farcical nature of the Tory party.

    It doesn’t even register in that ridiculous melon on top of his shoulders that people voted for a party that also favour equal marriage.

  46. MP Stewart Jackson: “The result is a notice to the PM to raise his game. He needs to focus on bread and butter issue like jobs and mortgages and public services and a clear route map to growth, and stop fixating on the agenda of a liberal clique around him and barmy policies such as Lords reform and gay marriage which people either don’t like or don’t care about.”

    Well said!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 3:39pm

      You’re an idiot!

      1. Spanner1960 4 May 2012, 4:14pm

        Why? I think he is dead right.
        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Same sex marriage is not an issue to 95% of people – only to us.

        Most people are more concerned about whether they will still have a job at the end of the year. It puts in a bit more perspective.

        Sorry mate, but you are the idiot here.

        1. What Ken is implying is that the government should scrap marriage equality plans altogether.

          Is this your position as well Spanner?

          I don’t assume that it is and I do agree that most people don’t care about marriage equality except LGBTs and lunatic homophobes like Ken.

          The government should have just passed the law and got on with fixing the economy, without wasting time, money and resources on sh¡tty consultations that stir up hatred.

        2. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2012, 12:26pm

          Of course it’s not important to those have have the choice to marry but should they really be a reason to stop equality in others being about to also have the choice? No it shouldn’t.

    2. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2012, 12:21pm

      Yeah democracy, fairness and Equality are such bad things ain’t they Keith? Idiot!

  47. Staircase2 4 May 2012, 4:17pm

    Yes of course it is you doughnut! (which is why people are voting Labour in DROVES!!)

    What a tosser – those right-wing boys will do anything to get back to the iron lady won’t they…

  48. It’s doesn’t do the Tories any good seeing the likes of Howarth and Leigh trashing David Cameron’s decision to go for equal marriage.

    The party just look like a load of squabbling bitchy public school boys..

  49. Out of all the Tory ministers that the BBC could have interviewed why did they chose this homophobic idiot. His statement were predictable, I just knew he would blame the results on gay marriage..

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 May 2012, 12:21pm

      The BBC is run by a very conservative practicing catholic, need I say more? Bigots! The BBC’s international reputation is diminishing around the world anyway, so that’s a good thing. It’s always been biased towards conservativism of the worst kind.

  50. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 4:52pm

    This is a hoot!

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifgHHhw_6g8

      “I can wear whatever I want on the end of my John-Thomas.”

  51. Oh My God!! What a f***ing idiot!! These religious nut jobs give us way too much credit! The reason the tories failed is that they have put thousands out of work and families on the breadline whilst the rich just keep on fleecing us and getting richer!

    Honestly I can’t believe the muppet is blaming gay rights…..it just beggars belief!!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 5:40pm

      Exactly. Its the same in most countries affected by the global downturn. Not one has blamed it on equal marriage. Only the minority right wing christo-fascists in the UK have. Incidentally, not one of them has reported any polygamous relationships or any demand for them, ditto for incest and bestiality that the morons in the hategroup C4M allude to.

  52. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 5:36pm

    Eleven countries, six American States and Mexico City. Hmmmm, sounds like some very savvy politicians thought otherwise. Next stop, UK, France, Germany, Slovenia, Luxembourg and Finland. More will follow. Tough titty!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 May 2012, 6:24pm

      And now Australia and I’m sure New Zealand will follow.

      1. and Nepal, Colombia, Mongolia, rest of Brazil, more of the US, Rwanda, Nicaragua ….

        1. Thats not to mention the debate (at various stages of progress) about seeking equal marriage in Chile, Mexico, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Greece, Albania, Ireland, Bolivia, Israel, Venezuela, Austria, South Korea, Costa Rica, Aruba, Cyprus, Paraguay, Uruguay, England, Scotland, Wales, Japan, Cambodia, Philippines and many other countries.

          Not to mention debate in Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, Wisconsin, Wyoming and other US states

  53. @Aiden

    Whatever. If he doesn’t will you shut up, stop lying, and go away ?

  54. @Keith

    Eh ?

    The Labour Party think the government should go further with marriage equality:

    http://www.labour.org.uk/government-should-go-further-on-same-sex-marriage,2012-03-15

    and they did better at the polls. How exactly is it a political liability ?

    There are two possible conclusions to be drawn. Either the majority of voters don’t consider equal marriage a reason to vote against a party, or they vote against parties that don’t go far enough with equal marriage.

    Only in your head is it a political liability.

    1. UKIP also have failed to convert any election results into a significant number of councillors.

  55. What a silly, empty, little man, just looking for publicity.

  56. C*nt. C*NT!

  57. Secondly – Labour have publicly and unanimously backed the same sex civil marriage (as have all three main parties) proposal and they did very, very well indeed!

  58. Ah – blame the gays. How unusual.

  59. BBC Newsnight has mentioned this ‘gay marriage’ thing about half a dozen times already this evening. The corporation is just lending credibility to that being the reason for the Tories’ bad performance.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 May 2012, 12:19pm

      Well, the BBC would, its run by a catholic who opposes equal marrriage. i’ve read several articles in Australian, Canadian and American major newspapers. None of them mention equal marriage at all as the cause bit simply austerity measures and unemployment. The Washington Post, a major paper in America and a very conservative one doesn’t even mention equal marriage either. The BBC has always been a biased medium and kow-tows to orthodox Toryism. It rarely prints an opposing view that it’s not comfortable with. About time someone in government addressed it. After all, our taxes and licences keep them in business and so they should represent all views.

    2. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2012, 12:24pm

      That’s because although the BBC are bias toward Labour they, on this subject support the discriminating amongst the Church.
      -
      And there’s me thinkingthey were support to be impartial…. Why do I have to pay for a Christian Corporation I don’t want nor watch?

  60. Really?! I didn’t vote for you idiots because of how you are treating everyone and how your handling the financial problems in this country!!! YOu lost votes because of your high taxes, hogh job loses and so on!! I REALLY don’t think the ordinary individual , straight or gay, was thinking much about your apparent gay civil marriage proposals!

  61. Issac Greaves 5 May 2012, 8:44am

    Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs you know… #votetory

  62. George Broadhead 5 May 2012, 6:02pm

    Gerald Howarth declares:“This is a Christian country…”

    Conservatives, including David Cameron, keep repeating this lie. They totally ignore, either in ignorance (hard to believe) or wilfully, the Government’s own British Social Attitudes Survey (2011)which shows that just over half the UK population have no religion.

  63. GingerlyColors 5 May 2012, 9:05pm

    Do you not think that things like the Pasty Tax, Granny Tax, pandering to the European Court of Human Rights over terror suspects and the continued dithering over Europe may have had something to do with it?

  64. This is illogical. Surely if that were trhe case, there would also be diminished representation for Labour, given its greater social liberalism on LGBT issues- but Labour has benefited. And UKIP and the Christian Peoples Alliance seem to have won any council seats, and the Greens have done quite well.
    QED: Fundie dingbats

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