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  1. uk INTOLERANT party.

  2. You’d be surprised by the overwhelming majority of grassroots UKIP members are equally as outraged as the readers of the pinknews.

    1. Not my experience today, most have been making some terrible excuses, I hesitate to call it spin only because they doth protest they don’t spin!

      “We didn’t see the flame”, in a picture entitled “Campaign on fire in Soho”. Shame on them.

      1. Could you describe your experience today in better detail. Which area, who and what was said?

        1. Talking with people like Olly Neville, Young Independence Social Media Director, you can check our conversation on Twitter. I’m @jaekay. Absolute denial!

    2. Derrick

      My experience of UKIP voters and campaigners is that they are every bit as homophobic as Dr Gasper and every bit as focused on spectacles as those who engaged in the vile burning of Paddicks picture.

      Tolerance, acceptance, society, equality, integrity and honesty do not appear to be words in the vocabulary of UKIP.

      1. Stu, I’m not going to tell you you’re lying so this is a geuine question as it something that concerns me..

        could you give some examples of incidents, which area and what was said?

        1. Derrick

          Thanks for your willingness to accept criticism.

          A number of places, some online, some in the news and some in direct contact with UKIP campaigners.

          In terms of the campaigners, it was in south London. When asking them to comment on their view on gay people being able to marry, their comment was “Do you want us to legalize incest too?”.

          If you require more incidents, online or real – I can give them.

      2. Could you tell me what was said and in what area?

        1. Croydon area for the comment above.

          Other comments have included “Poofs shouldnt be getting jobs ahead of proper men”. Also in Croydon.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 3 May 2012, 1:37pm

      Really? Pull the other one! So have Nigel Farage speak to that. Not going to happen is it?.

    4. I don’t doubt that there are some ACTUAL grassroots libertarians in UKIP but the overwehlming majority just don’t want to be in the bnp.

  3. Thats just proves that they dont actually know what they are voting for.

  4. Helen Wilson 2 May 2012, 8:15pm

    People laugh when I say UKIP are BNP light… I’ll be dropping the light bit in future.

    Burning effigies of an opponent in the streets… this is not Pakistan or Iran UKIP!

    1. Isn’t that a bit racist? You’re suggesting that burning effigies is some sort of regular occurrence in those two countries.


      1. Derrick

        I don’t know if Helen was trying to say it was a regular occurance – but I have seen more examples of burning effigies on news coverage of Iran and Afghanistan than I have EVER seen any in the UK.

        Trying to deflect from the homophobia of UKIP by calling those who are holding your party to account as racists?

        UKIP calling people racsit ROFL!

      2. Paul.Essex/London 2 May 2012, 11:22pm

        Derrick, Helen did not mention or imply anything to do with the race of people who populate Iran or Pakistan. I think it says more about your own views on race when that is the first thing that you think about at the mention of those countries, rather than the type of public demonstration that is a regular feature during political rallies in both of them.

    2. OK, so if I said:

      “a nightclub playing Wham, this isnt Soho”

      you wouldnt mind that.

      You also support the nonsense that burning effigies is a regular occurrence in pakistan too, on some ignorant basis of ‘wot i did see on the tv’.


      1. @Derrick

        Firstly, I have not mentioned Pakistan – I said I had seen such occurances in Iran and Afghanistan on the TV

        Secondly, you are trying to deflect attention away from the characteristic homophobia of UKIP – isn’t that the truth?

    3. Paul Perrin (@pperrin) 5 May 2012, 6:03pm

      Thats quite funny – you accuse UKIP of being rascist and denigrate Pakistanis and Iranians in the same comment…

      Think about it… if you still don’t get it, asks some on to explain it to you.

      (And don’t go out of doors on the 5th November – you won’t believe your eyes if you see whats atop any bonfires!!)

  5. UKIP is really BNP mark II

    1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 12:52pm

      Oh change the friggin’ record.

    2. No, they aren’t. I am a BNP supporter and there are profound differences between UKIP and the BNP. The BNP is a nationalist party whilst UKIP is really the Thatcherite, EU-hating wing of the Tories. UKIP’s economic policies are globalist. It is strange really. UKIP’s election broadcast complained about the contract for Bombadier trains being given to Germany due to EU rules but if UKIP were in government and took us out of the EU then their globalist economic policies would have handed the contract to a non-EU country like the USA anyway so they have no reason to complain about it.

  6. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 8:21pm

    I’m a UKIP member, a gay man and standing for councillor as well. I have written to Nigel Farage directly about these incidents and am awaiting a reply.

    It’s important to remember the party doesn’t support this sort of stuff and there have been plenty of incidents in the other 3 main parties with its members. It doesn’t make it right but it doesn’t mean UKIP should be taking the brunt of it.

    Theresa May (Our Home Secretary) has opposed all motions to give gay people more rights and have voted against anything put forward. It’s rife, should be stamped out but this isn’t just a UKIP thing.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 8:40pm

      At least Theresa May supports equal civil marriage. Your party leader clearly does not and neither does the party. At least the Tories are evolving and have more openly gay MPs than Labour and Liberal Democrats combined. How many does yours have? Voting for a party that clearly has no interest in your full equality says something quite revealing and obvious.

      1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 8:50pm

        We don’t have any at all MPs so how can we have any openly gay MPs? How long has it taken the Tory party to evolve? Have they not been established for over 100 years. UKIP have only been around for 19, parties take time to get things right and in line. Hence why I have written to Nigel Farage explaining my outrage at it and that it is something has to be sorted out immediately or they will find they lose great support from the general public and myself. Merely passing a party off out of hand because of an incident is ridiculous. If people did that with the Cons, Labs and Libs no one would ever vote for them. For all of UKIP’s other policies I am with them and there is no other party that I feel represents my feelings as well as them. I would rather campaign to change that policy than just vote for the other jokers!

        It would seem you are more concerned to try and just dismiss UKIP altogether because it doesn’t sit with your own political alliance and use this as your cause.

        1. How about just a positive message to the gay community? You have no self respect whatsoever. If you were in the US you would be in GOProud.

          1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:14pm

            Who are you to judge me?

            I have plenty of self respect. You no nothing about me or what I do in my day to day life to help people. I have supported AID’s foundations at every possible corner with donations and support for the people I know who have HIV. That’s my positive message. You have no right to judge the person I am based on my political opinion.16

          2. But you are standing for a homophobic party that hates you. Either you cant see it and are delusional,or you are ignoring it and are serving your desire for power. Which is it?
            I dont doubt some UKIP members arent homophobic, but the core party is and is using you. Its that simple.

        2. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 9:18pm

          You can be the apologist for the UKIP all you want, your party does NOT support full equality, why can’t you even admit it? We’re dealing with the hear and now not 100 years ago. The Liberal Democrats were only formed 24 years ago so there’s no excuse why the UKIP of 19 years hasn’t one notable candidate in support of equal marriage. Explain that!

          1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:20pm

            Have I not also already said that if the policy is not changed I will withdraw my support for UKIP?

          2. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:22pm

            Oh and I may not be notable sir but I do support equal marriage, thank you.

          3. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 9:22pm

            You’ll have a very long wait I’m afraid.

        3. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 9:21pm

          Until the UKIP supports our full equality, yes, it will be dismissed by the majority of us because it doesn’t represent support for our rights.

          1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:31pm

            Rovex, you are now accusing me of either being delusional or have a desire for power. I am neither, your judgemental attitude is uncalled for. You don’t know me or anything about me, please I ask do not judge me. My desire is to live my life as a decent citizen and try and make a change for the good, not power.

            There are members of all the 3 parties who are known to be homophobes, so the fact they don’t shout too much about it makes it ok? I am trying to make a difference, what may I ask is your contribution to change other than being a keyboard warrior?

            You obviously have an agenda and are unwilling to listen to anything but your own voice.

          2. A few member are one thing, but UKIP is anti-gay at its core. The big 3 parties are not. Their actions say that, UKIPs say something else.

        4. Love your passion for a cause; but, ya not close enough in your arguments to say you are getting it right. Rebirthing time, and stand in the line for brains next time around.

          (Psst: Idiots who think they have a brains? Why must they think they are with us?)

        5. Society has involved in the past 100 years, it’s done the job for you. Homosexuality was illegal and accepted as morally wrong when by the vast majority of people when the Conservative Party was formed. What a ridiculous arguement, if I started a party now that wanted to install the death penalty for gays and blacks would that be okay as it’s had no time to evolve?

    2. Urmston?
      2011 local results:
      Robert James Rawcliffe UKIP 136 votes 3.7%
      Electorate: 8047.
      Valid Votes Counted: 3701
      Turnout: 46%

      1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 8:52pm

        Yes, you’ll also see 6 votes from beating the lib dems. Considering it was the first year standing there that shows something?

        1. You need to ask me?

        2. Paddyswurds 3 May 2012, 4:29pm

          @Bob Rawcliffe…
          ….”Yes, you’ll also see 6 votes from beating the lib dems.” Here in Ireland we have a saying you may or may not be familiar with; Nearly never bucked the rabbit.

    3. I would say sir that you are naive. What about My Farages support for a certain Mr Sean Gabb, who wants to legalise child pornography?
      Both UKIUP and the BNP are the only national parties who havent come out in support of Gay marriage, or even civil unions

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 8:46pm

        Absolutely right and they won’t ever support it. Some are lukewarm on the unequal but separate civil partnerships but definitely NOT marriage. That’s not likely to change either. They’ll remain what they are, fringe parties and will never occupy Downing Street, thankfully.

      2. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 8:56pm

        There’s absolutely no proof of that other than the deranged man himself saying it happened.

        1. Really now? Its been confirmed a number of times.

          1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:11pm

            Who has confirmed it? Please show some evidence of the proof that Nigel Farage approached him, other than Sean Gabb saying he did. Just because someone says it happened doesn’t mean it has.

            The point I have tried to make is every party has policies that people disagree with and every party has had its tassles with gay equality in the past. Have you completely stopped voting for them now? None of the other parties represent my views better than UKIP apart from the marriage equality which I am trying to change. I’m not going to vote for a party that I agree with 1% of their polices and disagree with 99% of them. Instead I chose a party where I agree with 99% but disagree with 1% and try to change that 1%.

            Calling UKIP Xenophobes is ridiculous as well. How can the party have an anti foreigner stance. Nigel Farage’s wife is German.

          2. Honestly, if you agree with even the basic anti-europe parts of their manifesto you have to be a bit mad. However much i may or may not agree with a parties financial policies if they denied me equality i wouldn’t vote for them, let alone campaign for them..I standby my claim you have self respect.

      3. Thats the same Sean Gabb who said at a UKIP rally that he would be happy for employers and pub landlords to be allowed to say “n!ggers and f@ggots need not apply” in the advertisements. Gabb’s other policy positions include legalising all drugs, decriminalising the possession of child pornography and repealing the UK’s race relations laws.

        UKIP also asked Gabb to stand in the Euro elections for them.

        Homophobia, racism and child pornography – such a great way to show that UKIP are at the ticking heart of UK opinion! ROFL

        1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:40pm

          The only proof that Gabb was asked to stand in the Euro elections was the man himself saying he was asked which given his clear mental issues should be taken with a pinch of salt.

          If someone decides to say something at a rally, there isn’t a great deal you can do about it. In the same way if someone just decided to say something at any rally, you can’t then say that everyone at that rally agrees with the person. It’s part of freedom of speech, you have to listen to the bad things people say too whether it’s right or wrong.

    4. Robert

      So, failing to support equal marriage – comment?

      Dr Gasper, has she been disciplined?

      What actions are UKIP taking in relation to the Soho incident?

      What is UKIPs position on RC schools campaigning for C4M?

      UKIP are homophobic and have strong links to extreme right wing agitators.

      1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:35pm

        As I have said before Stu, I have written to the top to express my outrage at this and that something be done about it.

        I have also said on here and to UKIP establishment unless something is done I will be withdrawing my support for them.

        1. You will be withdrawing then..

        2. Robert

          Could you state your personal position on the questions I have addressed above?

          1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:44pm

            I support equal marriage.

            I have asked for Dr Gasper to be removed AND to make an apology or I will withdraw my support.

            As the Soho incident was only today I’m not sure yet what has been done as that’s stuff that will be going on at the top but again have expressed my concern about it via email.

            I don’t support the campaigning for C4M.

          2. Robert

            Your personal stance is welcome

            Its the exact opposite of my personal experience of UKIP

            I suggest your views are out of place in UKIP

            I suggest you consider where better your efforts may be made.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 8:43pm

      That was then, this is NOW! You’ve not heard of evolution? Tony Blair was once against equal civil marriage and now supports it. Nigel Farage does NOT.

      1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 8:53pm

        Precisely, people change. Something I have already said several times I am trying to make happen.

        1. So you are a lone gay warrior whos is sacrificing himself to change the party for the better (expert for the whole idiotic anti-europe thing)?

          1. Robert Rawcliffe 2 May 2012, 9:47pm

            If you thing us being in Europe is a good thing that’s your opinion, I personally do not.

            Have you seen the state of Europe? 2 countries now have unelected officials put in place by the EU running their country, how is that democracy?

    2. You are deflecting. Its irrelevant, UKIUP are homophobic xenophobes.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 8:48pm

        Of course they are! Where know where that led in 1933 in Germany don’t we.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 8:48pm

          We know where that led I meant to have said….

    3. Did you read Teresa May’s article in The Times about equal marriage?

  7. Paddyswurds 2 May 2012, 8:33pm

    Why does Pink News insist on using this ignorant bints English qualification as iif she were a medical doctor. She is Julia Gasper D Phil aand nothing more. This misuse of The Dr moniker gives those that know no better that she is an MD.

    1. Paddyswurds 2 May 2012, 8:34pm

      the impression ** oops.

    2. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 9:47am

      A PhD indicates you have a doctorate. It doesn’t have to be in Medicine, That is simply you demonstrating your ignorance.
      However, most non-medical PhD’s, including my own father, prefer not to use the moniker as they feel it rather pretentious.
      You might also note that most surgeons and medical consultants do not use the term “Dr” either.

      1. Paddyswurds 3 May 2012, 10:52am

        You deliberately misconstrue what I said as usual. My point was that English teachers dont run around calling themselves Dr as if their Doctorate was something special. She attended college six hours a week and got a throw away degree. It is considered gauche in the extreme to us it in the way she does. but then you knew that is what I meant …………..twit.

        1. Hey there Spanner1960 and Paddywurds! come on guys, don’t fall out! Not over Dr. Whatshername anyway. Personally, I’m convinced that this Gaspar person is really our very own ‘Jean’, regular comic relief to these pages, as well as being star of stage, screen (and the occasional circus….) when she’s not playing tambourine with the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band of an evening. We’ve got enough enemies, don’t you think?

        2. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 12:57pm

          Some English teachers DO, actually. Usually they are professors or Deans though.

          Whatever you think of the mad old bint, you don’t get a doctorate in six hours a week and a PhD is most certainly not a “throw-away” degree – particularly in academic subjects such as English. You do everyone who has worked long and hard to achieve such qualifications a serious disservice and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself to make such sweeping accusations.


  8. Well done PN!

    Loving the humour of recent days!

    1. Paddyswurds 2 May 2012, 9:34pm

      Stu whats happened to Jock S Trap? Haven’t seen him here in ages.

      1. Haven’t seen Jock S Trap for ages. I know he was getting wound up by Keith and others recently. I also know he hasnt had the best of years – but havent seen him.
        He’s a good guy.

        1. Paddyswurds 2 May 2012, 10:29pm

          I know it can be difficult when some of these creeps latch on but they can be defeated, Someone called Rehan has been attempting to give me grieg recently but i stood up to it .Accused me of racism but when called on it was unable to point out any racist comments i had made. I intended to ask you to go through the two threads on the Gasper woman to see if you could point out where it could possibly be construed I was being racist, but you weren’t online at the time. Hope Jock S Trap is OK. I am aware that he has serious health problems from posts he made some time ago…..

          1. @Paddyswurds

            I hope you got my message on MY

            If I get a chance later I will have a look at the Gasper stories and see if I can see whether your comments could be interpreted (clearly from what you say unintentionally!) as racist.

            Rehan usually is quite a reasonable guy!

            I hope Jock S Trap is ok too!

          2. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 9:49am

            Giving you Greig?
            There’s nothing worse than somebody trying to force “Peer Gynt” on you. ;)

          3. Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in?! :)

  9. This is a political stunt to get them more airtime and attention on the Low IQ Entertainment channels.

    Dumb knobs in political clothing.

  10. I’m not a gay man myself but I was absolutely outraged by Gasper’s comments. They were atrocious and I was completely on side of Pink News and its readers.

    Now that I’ve seen this article which is clutching at straws I’m beginning to think is Pink News more concerned with political points scoring than gay issues?

    1. Derrick

      Before you start throwing accusations against Pink News, can I suggest you look carefully at its reporting of political matters over the years (all easily accessible on the website). If you do you will find (to my knowledge) that this is the first instance of Pink News making any sort of direct or indirect comment on the electability of an individual party – but then there are not many events in the UK where gay politicians pictures are burned by or on behalf of another political party, there are also few occasions where political candidates call for gay people to be sectioned.

      If you look wider amongst the stories on Pink News you will see wide ranging and, sometimes, influential commentary on issues of gay rights and other concerns of LGBT people.

      UKIP, homophobic – not something most gay people will be surprised at. The level of homophobia recently has been risible though.

      1. The photo of Paddick was being burnt by a gay man. Are you going to accuse him of homophobia? Are you suggesting that Paddick is defined only by his sexuality?

        Gasper’s comments were truly revolting, but by following your expose of them with this puerile story, you undermine the expose and appear to have an anti-UKIP agenda purely for the sake of having an anti-UKIP agenda.

        FWIW, I experienced far more homophobic comments whilst in the Labour party than I have since being in UKIP. UKIP members have been outraged by Gasper’s comments and put a lot of pressure on her. This nonsense about the Paddick photo has helped blinker the story.

    2. Well put Derrick.

      Green thumb for Derrick!

      1. ‘Derrick’ = Fake twat. Try harder.
        ‘Britain’ = Same twat.

  11. Google UKIP and read how they describe themselves under the link. Incase you were too lazy it says “Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union” odd that they feel they have to describe themselves as “non-racist”. What would you think of me if I met you and said “alrite i’m Polly a 23 year old non-racist nurse from west London”? What would you think if you were a headteacher and a man walked into a job interview and without being asked and before sitting down said “I’m not a paedophile”?

    The very name “United Kingdom Independence Party” is a tool of fear mongering politics, it suggests that Britain has been invaded by an empire putting the people under oppression. In reality our rules are made in Westminster by our Parliament.

    UKIP’s chief science adviser calls himself ‘Lord Monkton’ and claims to be a member of the house of Lords despite having never sat in the House of Lords, his real name is Christopher Walter Monkton. Christopher

    1. earns a living by doing lectures in the USA about how ‘global warming is a hoax’. In 1987 he said “the only way to stop AIDS is to screen the entire population regularly and quarantine the carriers for life” so if get AIDS you go directly to jail all 30million of you. Christopher warned that to deal with global warming Barack Obama would have to “impose a communist world government upon the entire planet“

    2. “In reality our rules are made in Westminster by our Parliament”

      Polly Polly Polly, you are misled dear.

      Might I suggest you GOOGLE the European Union, and read literature on the structures on the European Union. Pay particular attention to the roles of the European Commission, and the meanings of directives.

      The politicians in Westminster have signed off certain roles Britain previously dealt with, those of which are expected to be conducted by an independent nation, not an international bloc.

      If you have a particular desire to be ruled by unelected politicians hell bent on controlling nearly every aspect of an individual’s life, then you have issues…

      1. If you want to sway opinion, do some legwork and offer some facts and supporting evidence. Patronising and insulting only detracts from your credibility, and lends further support to the perception that UKIP supporters are socially inept crackpots.

    3. Paul Perrin (@pperrin) 5 May 2012, 5:59pm

      What do you think the headlines would be if UKIP removed the ‘non-racist’ part of the website description?

      Some ignorant people liked to imply that UKIP were racist – so having the ‘non-racist’ description had some justification.

      I couldn’t swear to it, but the picture of Ms Jasper appears to show that she may have asian or indian ancestors – does that impact your view at all?

  12. In 2004 UKIP ran a candidate to become the mayor of London and his name was Frank Maloney. Frank said that if he became mayor he would ban gay pride marches lets quote him “I don’t want to campaign in places like Camden because there are too many gays around there, I don’t think they do a lot for society”. Was that just a slip up? “I object to seeing policemen in uniform holding hands in public, its not a way of life that we should support” Does he know when to stop? ”I’m not homophobic, lets live a proper moral life”. So was Frank thrown out of the party for his frank words? What do you think? Now i’m quoting from this January “I don’t have a problem with gay people, I’m against same-sex marriages, same-sex parents and adoption” Frank is running against Nick Griffin for Barking. They might debate on Sky News so we can see all see two overexposed twat’s on a screen without watching the adult channel.

    1. How predictable ….

      I hardly call someone who claims they are heterosexual and spends time on gay news websites “normal” would you, Aiden?

    2. Aiden, my dear fool, its is ANYTHING but normal to say what you just said.

      You should read this, it explains what’s wrong with you and why you’re such a moron:-

      Bless, you’ve been cured by “a gay”, for I have show your the light. Now rejoice, but more importantly get a frickin’ education.

  13. The United Kingdom Independence Party is far more important to Britain than the irrelevant issue of deciding where (who) to stick ones penis or display ones vagina…

    Perhaps ‘Pink’ News could devote it’s time to providing the readership with a focus on the real issues facing our country today.

    1. Pink News is a gay news website – obviously it’s readers are interested in the news stories that affect gay people- not wider political ones. And it doesn’t boil down to where one “sticks” ones genitalia- as you know this question is neither here nor there as far as most people are concerned!

    2. Far more important to Britain? In what way? I was born in England and i am a gay man. Tell me what part of the UKIP manifesto will make me ‘Boris like’ ‘amazed’ at your positive references to the LGBT community?

    3. Perhaps you have better things to do with your time than trolling?

      1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 9:51am

        Perhaps you should try taking on board what people say before wantonly labelling them. I think he has a very good point.
        I am a gay man.
        ‘Man’ first, and ‘Gay’ second.

        1. You’re a fascist supporter. factor that in next time you bore the pants of all of us with your incessant narcissism.

          1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 6:13pm

            I can’t help being a genius AND fcking gorgeous!

        2. Spanner indeed

    4. “Perhaps ‘Pink’ News could devote it’s time to providing the readership with a focus on the real issues facing our country today.”£

      Yeah, like keeping your fascists party out of power….. but thankfully your members are helping us in in that regard.

    5. Oh, dear. Classic homophobic trolling –
      – obsessing about what lesbians and gays do sexually, much more than they do themselves, and pretending not to;
      – using this to sideline our real concerns, ie, social and legal equality;
      – sneering at these as unimportant or ‘unreal’ as here;
      – telling l&g people they ought to think as they do and shouldn’t give priority to their own experiences and needs.
      We already know how you think and we don’t need to see it on a gay website. Please bugger off.

    6. It’s an lgbt interest news site, who the hell comes here for an objective account?
      UKIP’s only real policy is pulling out of the EU, which I fully agree with so long as it leads to opening trade agreements with China, Russia, Africa and south america. UKIP does not see the importance of these things and is therefore not important to Britain. Being attatched to a dying EU is better than being alone.

  14. UKIP aren’t anywhere near as successful in Scotland as they are in England, thankfully.

    As for Philip Lardner, he was an unimportant candidate in a safe Labour seat (which I live in) with NO chance of winning. Cameron could afford to get rid of him as it cost him nothing and gained him a lot of good publicity.

    Cameron has never spoken out on other Tories who have been homophobic like Chris Grayling or the Tory MP you mention in the article.

    So using the example of Philip Lardner isn’t a good indicator of how Cameron and the Tories deal without outspoken homophobes.

  15. Avalokiteshvara 3 May 2012, 12:38am

    I always thought it was just another BNP.

  16. All GLTBI people! Get out to vote ! Make a difference!

    1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 9:52am

      Vote UKIP. Woo!

      1. Make your mind up – I thought you said you were abstaining – instead you prefer to encourage a party which seeks to deny equal marriage and which has candidates suggesting all gay people should be sectioned – and thats saying nothing about the fire event in Soho yesterday …

        1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 3:14pm

          I was just being reactionary for the hell of it.
          I am abstaining. None of them are worth a rat’s bogey.

          Like I said, had it not been for the same-sex marriage thing, I would have gone UKIP, and broadly speaking, I think they would be the best for the country, but as a gay man I cannot condone a party that is at odds for something I hold very dear.

          The fire event is bullsh|t and you know it. The person responsible had nothing to do with UKIP, and just happened to be there. He was also gay.

          It’s you are one of a bunch of over-reactionary hissy-fit queens that put two and two together and came to five.
          It was a daft thing to do, and an even dafter thing to publicise, but nonetheless it was NOT homophobic in intent.

          1. I do not know that the fire incident is bullsh!t … if it was UKIP would not have been publicising it on twitter as an incident they wished to encourage and be associated with.

            You might not consider it homophobic, but I think that speaks more of your sense of value than mine.

            Are you telling me that a gay person can not be homophobic?

            You say the person doing it had nothing to do with UKIP – well that may or may not be true – but they sought actively to publicise it until the media furore.

            I believe it was clearly homophobic in intent – and the majority of those people who seek to excuse it from being homophobic are those who support the homophobic objectives of UKIP.

          2. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 6:20pm

            Oh stop talking such twaddle.
            You are putting two entirely disparate facts together and coming up with your own warped, biased and paranoid perspective on it.

            Just because somebody takes a pop at a person who happens to be gay does NOT indicate they are homophobic. For crying out loud, this is a contest, a race, a challenge and everyone is out to score points in any way they can.

  17. I stopped reading at “…advance as a serious political party…”

    1. Its rare I wish I had done the same as you Beberts, but in this case I will make an exception ;-)

  18. UKIP should be ashamed!

  19. GingerlyColors 3 May 2012, 7:27am

    UKIP are now becoming the third party in British politics, relegating the Lib-Dems to fourth place. It is time Labour or Conservative promise a referendum on Britain’s future in the EU. Look at the situation in the EU now. The Euro is in a mess and the British taxpayer is being forced to throw money at trying to keep it afloat long after it has hit the proverbial iceberg. What will happen when Greece crashes out of the Euro, followed by Spain? It was not long ago that those countries were dictatorships. In fact there was a coup attempt in Spain as late as 1981 so what is to stop them from reverting back to their old ways and there won’t be much room for gays in a dictatorship. Dictatorships flourish where economies fail – just look what happened in Germany in the 1930’s. It is time Britain left the EU and I prefer either Labour or Conservative to lead us out, alternatively UKIP’s shate of the vote will continue to grow. Norway is not in the EU but they have marriage equality.

    1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 9:54am

      The most honest and direct post I have seen on here for ages.
      Instead of getting in some rabid froth about burning a fcking leaflet we need to look at the bigger picture. We need to get the hell out of Europe before it collapses on top of us.

      1. “We need to get the hell out of Europe before it collapses on top of us.”

        In your opinion, you mean.

        1. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 12:52pm

          Oh get real. All the signs are there.
          Not to mention the fact we shell out over £45m a day for this farce while all the Euro MP’s jolly it up in private jets.

          Greece, Spain and Portugal are balancing on a knife edge and we are throwing in good money after bad. If Europe was a horse, I wouldn’t put a bet on it. In fact I’d probably have it shot to put it out of it’s misery.

          1. Get real?


            And yet the UK is still in the EU. How real do you want it?

          2. Spanner1960 3 May 2012, 6:16pm

            It’s only still in there because nobody has dared ask the British population.

            If there was a referendum tomorrow, all three major parties would know precisely what the outcome would be. Brown signed us off, to my mind illegally, with the Lisbon Treaty, and it was a done deal before anybody could do anything about it.

          3. “It’s only still in there because nobody has dared ask the British population.”

            Irrelevant. You’re in it. And the British empire is long gone, so Britain is already behind Germany and France economically, and The European Union is the most powerful body in Europe and one of the most powerful in the world in dealing with these cross-border issues.

            It is estimated the 3.5 million British jobs are dependent on Britain’s membership of the EU. (Source: UK Jobs Dependent on the EU), as your trade with EU countries now accounts for over 60% of UK’s trade (compared to 16% for US).

            Pull out then – and see what happens your economy which is one of the world’s most globalised countries and dependant of trade with Europe, won’t we…..

  20. I once voted for this party, never again.

    They said for so many years thry wanted to bring self governing back to Great Britain but sadly thry have moved to the right wing and become no better than the BNP.

    The parties leadership are either incompitent and ignorant or complicet and supportive of this homophobia.

  21. I wish our Jean would make a comment. Bound to give us all a larf….

  22. UKIP is for reactionaries and xenophobes for whom the Tory Party isn’t right-wing enough. They fantasise about returning to Britain’s 19th Century splendidly isolated heyday. What they would do, if given the chance, is marginalise and undermine Britain completely. It is hardly surprising that homophobia is in the mix.

  23. UKIP are always shown as intolerant idiots but the media is just determined to show them as equals to the BNP, with UKIP having 11% ratings in some polls does that make 11% of Britain racist and homophobic? i think not!

    1. Yeah, good luck getting 11% of the vote. Just don’t put any money on it.

      And if you think there is no racism or homophobia in 89% of UK voters, then must live a sheltered existence. All that said, rest assured the overwhelming majority of Brits wouldn’t be seen dead voting UKIP.

    2. UKIP are showing themselves to be a laughing stock with the likes of Julia Glasper, Sean Gadd, Roger Helmer and a publicity team who endorsed the burning of an image of a gay mayoral candidate in Soho (a significant gay location!) …

      There may be some protest votes but if you believe that will translate into general election votes – think again.

      Eccentric parties win protest votes in mid term council elections and by elections.

      UKIP are too bigoted to be accepted in a real contest that matters by the British people.

    3. 11% in some polls equates to 11% of the UK population in your head does it? What about those that can’t vote or choose not to? What about the polls that make the figure less than 11%? What about the fact that polls are never accurate? Was the poll in the Express, Mail or Sun?

  24. Want to try that again in English, eh? You know, before you insult the intellect of someone OBVIOUSLY far above an obvious illiterate like you?

  25. Paul Giles (Ukipper) 5 May 2012, 5:36pm

    On the UKIP members forum, there was a poll about Dr Gasper’s comments:-

    What should UKIP’s policy be on candidates making obnoxious statements or otherwise behaving badly; not so much in that they conflict with policy but in that they are irredeemably crass, idiotic and/or nasty?

    They should be deselected (46.2%)
    They should be kicked out (25.6%)
    They should be left alone (7.7%)
    They should be reprimanded, but allowed to run (7.7%)
    They should be actively supported, you’ll be amazed how many people vote for you if you just ask rudely! (5.1%)
    I’m a stupid bigot and I take umbrage at your relentless bigotry towards stupid bigots! (7.7%)

    That makes 79.5% disagreeing with her, and 71.8% thinking she shouldn’t be allowed to represent our party.

  26. Paul Perrin (@pperrin) 5 May 2012, 5:47pm

    If anyone thinks UKIP is short of gay members (I don’t know one way or the other) – well fixing that is in the hands of the gay ‘community’ isn’t it?

  27. Paul Giles 5 May 2012, 6:28pm

    Sorry, I’m not very clued up on computer stuff. I posted this before, but now I can’t see it.

    This is the result of the poll about Dr Gasper’s views on the UKIP members’ forum:-

    What should UKIP’s policy be on candidates making obnoxious statements or otherwise behaving badly; not so much in that they conflict with policy but in that they are irredeemably crass, idiotic and/or nasty?

    They should be deselected (46.2%)
    They should be kicked out (25.6%)
    They should be left alone (7.7%)
    They should be reprimanded, but allowed to run (7.7%)
    They should be actively supported, you’ll be amazed how many people vote for you if you just ask rudely! (5.1%)
    I’m a stupid bigot and I take umbrage at your relentless bigotry towards stupid bigots! (7.7%)

    That’s 79.5% against her, and 71.8% who think that she shouldn’t represent our party.

  28. Dan Channing 14 Aug 2012, 7:20pm

    UKIP have no problems with gay people! I am an openly gay local elections candidate for the party. Pink news should not tar all UKIP members with the same brush! One individuals view does not mean it represents the views of the whole party or party policy. UKIP believe in equality and have a strong policy of non discrimination. I feel the opinion of the candidate in question was wrong and very insulting to the gay community but again I must stress that the party has no problem with gay people. All parties have bad apples but that does not mean they will turn all of the apples bad. If this had been a conservative candidate this arrival would have never been published there have been labour and Tory mps that have made any gay comments including george Osborn live on tv in the house of lords! Why has no artical on this been published I wonder?

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