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Catholic group: Objections to anti-gay marriage petition in schools are ‘sinister and illogical’

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 4:11pm

    The fact that these idiots introduce the C4M petition does make it a political statement. C4M describes itself as political. If it hadn’t been introduced into the schools, we would probably not be having this discussion. These people are clearly out of control and ignorant of the facts. Since when does the catholic cult get to speak for the entire nation? They need to be put in their place and reminded why the reformation occurred.

    1. Robin Evans 1 May 2012, 10:16pm

      “…They need to be put in their place…”

  2. Let’s try and make this very simple for the poor souls at Catholic Voices eh?

    Scenario A

    Teacher says “Our religion teaches us that same sex relationships are sinful and marriage should be between a man and a woman”

    That’s ok

    But scenario B

    Teacher says “Our religion teaches us that same sex relationships are sinful and marriage should be between a man and a woman. And here’s the website for a (declared political, not religious) organisation where you can all sign up to say so”

    That’s not ok. Do you see now?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 4:34pm

      And spreading false information about equal marriage (bearing false witness) is also sinful. The catholic cults endorses C4M’s mission that includes alluding to polygamous and incestuous relationships ensuing if it is legalised, yet another lie about equal marriage. Bigots and hypocrites. Definitely NOT ‘christian’.

    2. Simply and elegantly put. Thank you. The only rider I would add would be that the teacher, if he/she be worthy of the name, should advise the children that civil marriage is open to same-sex couples (when that reform is passed), whatever their religion thinks about it, and that this is a topic completely open for question and debate in the classroom. I believe this is called ‘education’.

      1. Don’t want to confuse the poor wee souls :P

        1. I am Catholic, I heard about this petition at Mass one Sunday, I didn’t and have no intention of signing it…

  3. No – what is sinister and illogical is programming children with superstitious drivel when you are supposed to be giving them the tools and education they need to live up to their full potential.

    But hey, the RCC loves playing the victim card, although it is an oppressive tyrant and chronic bully.

  4. John-Paul 1 May 2012, 4:52pm

    Sinister!! SINISTER!!!!!…bloody buggery chuffing sinister!!…….. Has Catholicism SEEN itself?!

    Pot, kettle!

    1. Spanner1960 1 May 2012, 5:02pm

      Calm down dear, it’s only a commercial.

      1. Oh grow the f-k up.

  5. Is this history repeating itself – this is exactly the rhetoric vomited by the Catholic Church prior to the Vatican sponsored political careers of those infamous catholics Adolf and Mussolini – are we really going to allow the Vatican to have their second holocaust of modern times?

  6. Illogical and sinister …

    Well, those should be words that Catholic Voices are very familiar with … although they seem to use them as deflection rather than to represent their usual behaviour!

  7. Manipulating pupils to the extent that they are “encouraged” to influence the civil law of the land is clearly “sinister”.

    Putting people in (adults as well) a situation in which they feel obliged to sign a petition is also clearly sinister.

  8. Since when does roman catholic get to speak for the entire nation?
    They need to be reminded why there was a reformation .
    It’s still clear that you can’t teach outdated dogma new tricks

  9. The RCC generally says there is no right to anything if it happens to clash with its authoritarian teaching. The trouble is that it has fallen sheepishly silent in recent times over the fact that historically it has evoked this doctrine against universal suffrage, constitutional government, and much else taken for granted in modern society. These folk are pretty true to form.

  10. Catholic Voices??

    I only hope that the Catholics remember that they have a free will and use their common sense to boycott the so called bigoted Catholic Voices, which are I presume people very close to the cardinals and bishops, perhaps they are included…
    I wonder how you can stand this lunacy and stay sane??
    Religion should be about religion and not about power to determine who´s first class and who´s not. Can´t say it surprises me, yet the more they complain the more I think equality in everything is a must. That and that religious groups should be banned from politics and power!!

  11. Since the Catholic Church [and some other churches] are so keen to campaign POLITICALLY then they should forthwith be required to forfeit their privileved tax status and henceforth be taxed as a business, required to pay full property taxes and all other taxes required of the general public.

    1. When this current battle is over, we need to consider exploring this and start a movement to make it happen – see how they like a dose of their own bloody medicine.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 5:48pm

    The sinister’ component in all this is the roman cult in collusion with their allies in C4M in an blatant attempt to subvert the government and disrupt the democratic process by trying to bring the consultation and any ensuing bill to a grinding halt by intimidating MPs. Prosecute the bastards for sedition because that’s just what it is.

  13. Bisexual woman in Edinburgh 1 May 2012, 5:56pm

    Wasn’t that the poll that asked people to agree with a statement along the lines of, “Since civil partnerships already confer all the rights and privileges of marriage, isn’t that enough?” Not only is the statement leading, but it’s not even true. It was blatant manipulation of statistics.

    1. I am not sure what legal rights same sex marriage would enhance over and above those currently enjoyed in civil partnerships

      1. Bisexual woman in Edinburgh 2 May 2012, 12:24pm

        There are a few. To begin with, civil partnerships are not recognised abroad, which can have serious consequences with visas and such. Pension rights are inferior with civil partnerships. People in a civil partnership are required to out themselves as LGBT every time they tick a box on a form which lists CP separately from marriage – we don’t make people declare when they’re in a mixed-race or mixed-faith marriage in that way. And socially, they really are not equivalent – there isn’t even appropriate language for them half the time.

        1. excellent riposte

        2. That s interesting. I would have thought the type of legal partnership should be totally irrelevant in all those instances. I often wonder why religion too is relevant on certain forms but i think we are all required to give too much information to the various forms of authority. Are there statistics to show how many visa applications are affected or is this mainly anecdotal and are there campaigns to equalise pension rights ?

  14. So the BHA is being mean to the poor little bigots? Aw! Diddums.

    Well, never mind, because the BHA won’t be deciding matters when these Christo-fascists get their bony asses dragged into court. The god-botherers half-baked arguments about the definition of ‘discrimination’ won’t carry any weight there.

  15. Jos. A. Mustich 1 May 2012, 6:17pm

    Catholic Christians dont own civil marriage or women’s bodies so take a hike.
    Cheers, Joe Mustich, CT USA
    CT Justice of the Peace

  16. Sinister+illogical and Catholic go together quiet well I think!

  17. Mumbo Jumbo 1 May 2012, 6:40pm

    Raping children, covering it up, blaming the victims and then acting as an apologist for the organisation responsible is sinister. Actually, it’s sick.

    1. That’s not what RCC’s own investigation concluded. Male-on-male is not homosexuality if it is a child…. it’s paedophilia. Your comment is one of the reasons the church failed its duty to the children in its care.

      Also, the nickname… seriously? Pride comes from the defeat of oppression. Where’s the het oppression?

      1. In you case ignorance isn’t bliss it is just ignorance. So why are you a self-hating homosexual? Is it because you are a coward do you think? Just not able man up and drop the madness of your religious delusions eh? Oh well never mind, you’ll just have to live a life of hate and misery, resentments and regrets won’t you? Enjoy.

    2. “Homosexual rapes they are mostly you know.”

      Sh*t! Yoda’s gone neo-con crazy!

    3. “Homosexual rapes they are mostly you know.”

      No I don’t, as you are incorrect. And neither do you obviously.

      Back to the swamp Keith and try again.

      Funny how you never commented on this:- http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business/science/120429/homophobia-linked-same-sex-gay-attraction-study-video

      Afraid its too close to the bone? Denial is strong with you, isn’t it?

    4. Mumbo Jumbo 2 May 2012, 1:13pm

      Half of the victims were little girls. Child rape is the one area where the RC Church believes in equal opportunities.

      1. It seems that you find the rape of a boy by a priest as a more heinous crime than the rape of a female. Why so – unless you are simply trying to incite homophobic hatred (which on a gay news site is infantile and demented behaviour!)?

  18. Mumbo Jumbo 1 May 2012, 6:42pm

    Thinking a cracker and some supermarket plonk turn into the flesh and blood of a bloke who’s been dead for 2000 years is illogical. Actually, it’s crazy.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 6:51pm

      They call it ‘transubstantion’ which means they actually believe the wine and the waifer actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ at the moment of consecration. That’s where the Anglican communion departs. Illogical and irrational either way.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 6:53pm

        ….’transubstantiation’ I meant.

      2. Paddyswurds 1 May 2012, 8:54pm

        Not to mention fantasy cannibalism…..

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 10:13pm

          That too, quite primitive too.

    2. I know its a cracker isn’t it? it’s the way they tell it. With thanks to Frank Carson. Mumbo your post had me laughing out loud, it’s a cracker!

  19. Ugh, the slimy little weasels try to worm their way out of another scandal, and again try to use the “we’re being discriminated against!” card as their pathetic excuse to spread hatred.

    I wish that just for once they’d have the dignity to accept that they were wrong. They are losing all of their credibility.

  20. I lost respect for the Catholic Church a long time ago!

  21. Not more sinister and illogical Orwellian double speak from the catholic church. How can anyone with more than 2 brain cells not see through the transparent evil of this bigoted Roman cult? Next they’ll be telling us that gay equality mean inequality. And that ignorance is strength.

  22. Paddyswurds 1 May 2012, 8:48pm

    This is completely illogical, as it is designed foremost to thwart a political move by a democratically elected government of the UK.
    But wait… isn’t everything about religion and in particular the Abrahamic cults is illogical which is probably why they don’t “get it” as our Yankee cousins say.

    1. Paddyswurds 1 May 2012, 8:51pm

      I meant to copy this at the start of my comment so here is a rehash…..
      “Catholic Voices have now accused the British Humanist Association, among others, of using “sinister and illogical” arguments to stop schools teaching their views on marriage.”
      This is completely illogical, as it is designed foremost to thwart a political move by a democratically elected government of the UK.
      But wait… isn’t everything about religion and in particular the Abrahamic cults is illogical which is probably why they don’t “get it” as our Yankee cousins say.

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 1 May 2012, 10:09pm

        A simple premise.

        I can prove that what they do causes harm.

        Can they prove their reasoning for doing so.

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 10:14pm

        I’ll say it again, it’s sedition! They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

  23. No Catholic and Christian hate and percecution of gay people is evil and destructive as well as psychotic, because the hate Catholics and Christians teach causes gay childern to kill them selves as a result of the constant harassment by Catholic and Christian childen who have been taught how to hate another human being just because they are different.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2012, 10:12pm

      And they don’t even concede any smidgeon of responsibility because of their hateful rhetoric. They’re all sociopaths, very sick people.

  24. Manipulating children to sign a petition when they’re not of voting age isn’t sinister or reprehensible? Even if they don’t fully understand its content or consequences?

  25. Dr Robin Guthrie 1 May 2012, 10:17pm

    A Church which.

    Hates Women.
    Hates Gays.
    Launders Money.
    Appeased War criminals.
    Raped Children.
    Burned Witches.
    Slaughtered Muslims.
    Stole from the poor to give to itself.
    Allows millions to die of AIDS due to its Condom policy in order to produce more bloody catholics.

    500,000 lira gets a Mafia Godfather buried in the Vatican.

    All of this is proven and on record.

    How dare these celibate sh!ts in frocks slander anyone and how dare they think they have anything to offer.

    The sooner this sick cult is wiped of the face of this planet the better.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 1 May 2012, 10:41pm

      And to add to that.

      “Sinister” is forcing children under threat to sign petitions.

  26. Asking Catholic Schools to abide by the same rules as other schools isn’t ‘sinister’ it’s perfectly right and logical. How stupid do these people think we are? They can just say something and we’ll all take it as fact??

    The only sinister thing about this is what that school was doing trying to persuade children to support a one-sided cause and to interfere in civil marriage. Not only have they broken the rules, they don’t seem to have much respect for their own pupils. It seems like they see them as merely potential numbers to add to the petition rather than independent young people with minds of their own.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 1 May 2012, 10:43pm

      That is what the Catholic Church does.

      Increase its number by ANY means, no matter what suffering is involved.

  27. Sinnysinsins 1 May 2012, 11:38pm

    “A religious group unofficially
    representing the Catholic Church in
    the media has said questions over
    the legality of promoting the
    Coalition for Marriage anti-equality
    petition to schoolchildren are
    ‘illogical and sinister’.”

    So they’re unofficial? Ah, well as an unofficial representative of Albania in the media I say “Ban Tiddlywinks!”
    On a serious point, these are nobodies in the Catholic hierarchy. They by no means represent the whole of the church.

  28. A Catholic group using the words illogical and sinister…oh the irony. Somebody has selective memory or needs to borrow some history books

  29. “using “sinister and illogical” arguments to stop schools teaching their views on marriage.”???

    Notice hoe they didn’t use those words when they were raping children, and subsequently covering up.

    1. Do you think the raping of children by priests and concealment of the crime by the Vatican has stopped then?

      1. Of course it hasn’t… you only need to read the newspapers in Ireland to see the ongoing abuses these parasites are committing against children and unapologetically getting away with it/

        1. This is a very topical example of the sinister and illogical RC church:

          http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0502/new-claims-over-bradys-role-in-abuse-inquiry.html

          Cardinal Sean Brady refuses to accept responsibility for the failures of the church linked to an RC church inquiry into child abuse.

          This is the same Cardinal who recently moved a priest who had shown gay porn to parents and a child in a school and then destroyed the data stick and where the laptop concerned was mysteriously burgled.

          This is the Cardinal (refusing to resign) who commented on the Bishop of Limericks criticism by the Murphy Report saying “If I found myself in a situation where I was aware that my failure to act had allowed or meant that other children were abused, well then, I think I would resign.”

          He was involved in a process which found names and addresses of children abused by Brendan Smyth and yet did not ensure the childrens safety, and despite his own views on grounds to resign – he refuses to accept blame.

          1. Indeed it is Stu. And yet so many Irish still bring their children to catholic school (albeit because they have no alternative) into the hands of these liars and abusers. Why we Irish are not kicking them out of the country for what they did is beyond me….. 1905 French law on the separation of Church and State comes to mind as a good example we should follow.

  30. I initially read the title of this piece as “Catholic group: Objections to anti-gay marriage are ‘sinister and illogical’”

  31. Commander Thor 2 May 2012, 12:52pm

    In Saudi Arabia, there is no right for women to drive. Therefore there is no discrimination.

  32. I’m sorry, but the moment they asked those kids to vote for them, or pester their parents into voting for them, they *made* this political.

    You can’t pursue a policy change and claim it’s not political, that’s utterly preposterous. If anyone’s logic is at fault here, it’s the Catholic Voices’ people. If anyone here has failed to grasp the definition of the word “discrimination”, it’s them.

    The letter reads like a troll-job on an internet forum. Their entire argument is built on logical fallacy and wilful ignorance, and the assertion that they don’t understand the law.

    I would, however, like to pat the back of whoever convinced them that the best way to get their point across is by penning a poorly-written public missive in which the organisation admits its own failure to grasp the situation it purports to be an expert on.

  33. Robert in S. Kensington 2 May 2012, 2:05pm

    I want to see supportive MPs take on these bigots and put them in their place. This is about CIVIL marriage only and can’t be emphasised enough. Shove it down their throats until they choke if need be. I also want to see the Quakers, Unitarians, Liberal and Reformed Judaism band together and make far more noise than they are now and really blow the ‘abuse of religious freedom’ nonsense coming from the right wing religious nutters out of the water once and for all. It would be delicious to watch them all fighting with one another which would put those in opposition in a very bad light and show them up for what they really are… ‘bigots and liars’.

  34. Sounds like to me they are describing themselves. Sinister and illogical.

  35. Staircase2 2 May 2012, 7:33pm

    …the words ‘evil’ ‘ungodly’ & ‘fcvkers’ spring to mind…

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