So he proposes that Catholics, Jews and Muslims get over their centuries of squabbling and bloodshed and come together for what? To help the poor? Feed the hungry? Give solace to the suffering?
No. To more efficiently hate LGBT people.
yea… because inter-faith dialogue has been so-o-o successful…
LGBT members of the RCC should note how highly they are regarded by the church they serve
the muslims will give him flying lessons.
what else would you expect from a church whose leader UNexcommunciated a holocaust denier.
He is asking for Jews and Muslims to come together?
He’s lost his marbles!
This just goes to prove just how desperate and out of touch they truly are.
that is the best comment i have ever read on here! agree totally!
People I’ve known who’ve been to interfaith conferences for Jews, Muslims and Christians have always told me that the Jews and Muslims always get on very well together at these things, having more in common than with the Christians. There’s plenty of interfaith work being done already. Oddly enough, it is not being done by the Vatican, and it tends towards liberalism if anything.
I just ignore what they tell me lol!
An excellent, brave call – may many heed his call!
You poor dumb beast, you don’t even realise that you are a sheep, lower than a footstool to them, worthy only of contempt for your gender. But go ahead, grovel and snivel at their prada shoes and make sure that you give them your money because that is ALL you are good for.
Fool. Your god DOES NOT EXIST.
Is this the same troll pretending to be Julia Gasper elsewhere on PN?
Julia Gasper looks so much like a bad tempered guineapig in a cardigan.
Jean is not a woman. Sometimes IT goes by the name aiden, sometimes adam, sometimes Keith, I call IT a troll.
Only the delusional will heed, the rest of us with a functioning brain will treat them and you with the contempt you so richly deserve.
You unbearable idiot.
The only call he can make is to fornicate Jackass style.
Why do homophobic trolls like you visit gay websites? Stay away if you find us so offensive and crawl back under that stone you came out from under.
wow, a rating of -60. Is that a record? Jean, you’re really not among friends here, are you? And no wonder spouting such nonsense.
Jean If you are a Catholic/Christian, this Catholic wishes to disassociate myself from your homophobic disrespectful opinions as people like you bring the good ones into disrepute… do me a favour, build that bridge and get over it, some people just are gay!
Sad sad Jean… I think your post should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
Oh the irony!
Islam specifically states that a man may have four wives at one time.
So, let’s see… gay marriage will lead to polygamy, but the Roman Church doesn’t mind teaming up with polygamists to defeat gay marriage?
the “logic” boggles the mind.
Religious people are cherry picking hypocrites – I expect nothing more from them.
It doesn’t bother them because muslims aren’t christians.
Even Christians are considered infidels in the eyes of Islam.
No, I’ve heard a very good one recently: apparently, it’s not polygamy at all!
See, one man marries one woman. Then the same man marries a second woman. Then he marries a third woman. Then he marries a fourth woman.
See? It’s one man and one woman in each marriage! The women don’t marry each other, so it’s not polygamy! (somehow).
This just shows what the religions have in common “hatred” that is the only time they co-exist…sole purpose is to hate…cause war…they all seem to have a strange idea of what “love” is…I guess it doesn’t fit the program they live by…
What mad men have in common is the impulse to kill, murder and destroy. This is now plain to see in these religions. Now that this has been said it is time for all LGBT people to seriously arm themselves and be ready to fight till the death doing what ever actons they need to take to stop these mad men from destroying them and their lives. Fighting mad men who attack you with their plans to destroy you is survival and needs to be attacked in order to live another day, should it come to that. It has happended many times before and it is now happening again.
Start taxing all of these institutions and I’m pretty sure they’ll shut up spouting their bile.
EVIL. Hate mongers.
They’d scream “abuse of religious freedom”, the same old victim card if we did that.
….I seriously doubt whether either of these groups will want anything to do with the cesspit that is the RCC and Rome. Jews will remember the church and pope Pius who refused to excommunicate H1tler and for all intents and purposes sided with the Naz1s. Islam will no doubt remember the Crusades when Rome sent it hordes to murder the Islamic people in their own lands……
…and the beat goes on…
As god hasn’t destroyed the countries that allow same sex marriage we can assume He / She approves of it, doesn’t care or too busy ensuring there are plenty poor people suffering to notice.
Or is fictional.
Think of their god (and really, for people who are Catholic or Jewish or Muslim, they really are just worshipping the same god, they just squabble over the names and natures of the prophets) in terms of Jupiter, Enki, Inanna, Zeus, Ra, Odin and all the others.
History teaches us that extinction of the current god fiction of choice is inevitable. I just wish that the “faithful” wouldn’t hurt so many people while on that path to this current god iteration’s demise.
They can’t even prove polygamous marriage occuring. Holland legalised equal marriage 11 years ago. Wouldn’t that be enough time to find the evidence? They need to identify who the people who are demanding it. Who are they exactly? Are they not aware, it’s illegal in almost the entire world with the exception of a small handful of islamic countries who aren’t even christian.
The roman catholic cult is a foreign import into our country. Its representatives, the hierarchy owe allegiance to Rome, first and foremost, not the Queen, evidently. As such, this could be construed as subversion of our government by a foreign potentate meddling in the internal affairs of our government. The Vatican is an independent foreign state with a foreign leader who by definition is a monarch as head of state. The UK catholic hierarchy should be held accountable and reminded that it is not the state cult of the land, in fact a minority and subject to the civil laws of the land as everybody else. Under Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth I, they would have been accused of sedition, treason and put to death. These people have short memories and little knowledge of their own history and fate. They need to be reminded and be careful what they wish for. They are doing nothing more than inviting anti-catholic sentiment across the UK. Bring it on.
*short, but impassioned round of applause*
Why, thank you sir!
I’d like to see this line from the 1552 Book of Common Prayer restored to the Great Litany
From all sedicion and prievie conspiracie, from the tyranny of the Bysshop of Rome and al hys detestable enormities, from all false doctrine and heresy, from hardnesse of hearte, and contempte of thy woorde and commaundemente.
Good Lorde, deliver us.
Rome hasn’t changed.
I detest the RCC as much as anyone, but this is historical nonsense. Our country was as Catholic as any in Europe until the 1530s and did not become generally Protestant until around 1600.
Foreign or home-grown, it is poisonous crap and doesn’t even seem to care anymore who is an ‘infidel ‘or a ‘heretic’ as long as they deny lesbian and gay rights. Basically twisted.
The days for both of you are numbered. The world is waking up.
Except both are growing at a huge, huge rate.
Oh yeah, because church numbers are really rising in the west and developed world. Maybe in your dream world. But not in reality. The only places where monotheism is growing is in uneducated backwaters where you could tell someone that the earth was flat and they would believe it. I take it, you’re one of those uneducated morons who thinks god created the world in 7 days?
Since the advent of birth control, they won’t, at least not in the western world. The catholic cult in particular isn’t growing, in fact in decline in Latin America, lost to evaneglicals and other faiths and people of no faith. That’s why the rottweiler in Rome keeps going there, an act of desperation.
There have been declines in vocations to the religious life since Vatican 2, drastic declines in fact and is continuing. It now has to import priests from Africa, Haiti and elsewhere in the developing world into Europe, N. America and Australiasia.
They may be falling in the UK, but the slow takeovers, particularly of Islam is pretty bloody scary. Ignore it at your peril.
Not so, like your brain cells they are diminishing at a rapid rate, and you haven’t got that many to begin with. Go on give us a laugh tell us about the walking on the water trick, or the turning water into wine lark, best of all how about that raising up from the dead malarkey, yes you lot are truely delusional. Godbot, brainwashed and a closet case to boot, baby you got it all didn’t ya?
Oddly enough the one christian church in Aberdeen that has reported an increase in it’s congregation is Queen’s Cross Church, where they have a gay minister.
They’re not and when all the baby boomers finally die organized religion will be more or less gone.
The secularisation of xtianity is almost complete and the secularisation of Islam has begun and is slowly gathering pace. More and more people, as they get educated or exposed to educated people, are beginning to realise that the whole sorry Abrahamic cults thing has been a cruel hoax foisted on simple uneducated people for the enrichment of a few evil old men ……
“Except both are growing at a huge, huge rate.”
Not in Europe. And not in the UK.
And nothing of value would be lost.
“…and it will lead to confusion.”
Really? I’m sure people will remember who it was they married and what sex they were, so where is the confusion?
These catholic comedians come out with the most amazing bouts of scaremongering.
Have you read what the scary @drpetersaunders and the even scarier @stopanticath have posted on the subject? Aparantly they think that RC is under seige by homosexuals!
I couldn’t help but lol at that quote too. I’ve never seen the word danger so poorly defined.
The Roman Church wants to influence and maybe control what the secular government in the UK is doing with regards to equality for all citizens! That’s precisely the reason why Henry VIII severed ties with the Roman Church – they were interfering in his choice to remarry! We should genuinely be afraid of huge religious institutions that throw their weight around and try to influence and dictate government policy that’s outside of their jurisdiction!
Apostolic Nuncio? Apoplectic Dunceio!
Apostolic Nancio more like.
Quite duckie, isn’t he?
This is a pitiful story. Fortunately, his plan is likely to backfire. It is sad to see the comment from Jean. Is she just evil or brainwashed and scared?
Nope. Just dumb as a brick.
At least bricks are useful.
Christians are being persecuted and in some cases slaughtered in the middle east and parts of Africa. But this brocaded man is more worried about same sex marriage to the extent that he suggests closing ranks with persecutors of christians.?
What a shameful mess.
Picture it — the pope, the ayatollah, and the rabbi having tea at the vatican ( each suspecting their cup has been poisoned)… yuk, yuk
What a vivid and sickly thought . . .
This interfaith dialogue sounds like that famous Basil Fawlty line
“Don’t mention the war, I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!”
With this and the censoring of a liberal Priest’s newspaper column in Ireland, think its time the Church shut up shop for good. They’re an embarrassment to themselves now
To think that people actually believe that they should have influence over the civil secular law of the land because they think it is what some fictional imaginary supernatural creature wants.
Good grief, when we next draft a tax law, let’s ask the opinion of people who believe in pixies and leprechauns and the fairies at the bottom of the bloody garden.
At one stage in my life I read the King James version of The Bible from cover to cover three times, and I cannot recall reading the word “marriage” anywhere, even less anything approaching a definition of marriage. My opinion is that marriage is an institution invented by man without the co-operation of any deity.
Marriage is a man-made invention. There have been many forms of it long before the abrahamic cults existed and there are various forms of it all around the world and not all are christian of course. It wasn’t until Judaism came along and changed it all with monotheism and look at how many wars it has cause and continues to cause in the middle east currently. It has a lot to answer for.
…..I have good news for you Kevin….. deities simply don’t exist so anyone expecting cooperation from one is seriously deluded and really should be committed to a Home for the terminally bewildered…….
Who knows, now they all have something to unite and gang up against, maybe the issue of gay marriage will bring peace in the ‘holy’ land. Maybe not. Monotheism is the most hateful, intollerant and biggest joke that mankind has ever come up with.
I could point out that putting up with all this junk has now made my hatred, contempt and loathing of religion at bloody fever pitch.
We have to put up with all this crap because 2000 or so years ago some dimwit called Joseph didn’t realise that Mary was just a slag. Virgin birth? Cobblers.
So much for needing one man and one woman for procreation. To think they believe a “holy” spirit caused a virgin by some miracle to conceive a baby and the dope of a husband put up with it. It defies rationality. Furthermore, catholics believe she ascended body and soul into heaven. Another delusion! And people believe this nonsense. It’s beyond brainwashing, sick if you ask me.
………Don’t forget that according to RC doctrine the spirit , Jesus and “god” the father dude are one so when the spirit got Mary up the duff he/it was getting his/its own mother preggers….. then we have the whole Adam and Eve debacle where Cain had to jump Eves bones to “go forth and multiply.. “god” didn’t think through that scenario very well did he/she/it. rampant incest seems to be a tenet of the whole Abrahamic cult thing, that along with infanticide and well just plain old murder….
BTW…When is the Hubble telescope going to locate “heaven”??
Paddyswurds, you have a point. It’s a creepy bloody piece of fiction.
Absolutely right about that, Paddy. I so agree. Is it no wonder I renounced my own catholicism for atheism?
Don’t forget that when Lot and his daughters were spared from the destruction of Sodom, supposedly because they were the only “holy”ones in the city, they immediately went off and had a drunken gang-bang. The stuff in that book is outright repulsive in many ways, and yet people today hold it up as something virtuous simply because from childhood they’ve been told to.
I’m not about to take moral instruction from a coven of child molesters in dresses.
You’re frothing again, poor dear.
Actually an exhaustive study carried out by a major Ivy League University recently found that 70%+ of the abuse by clergy in Ireland against children of both sexes was in fact heterosexual, and that over 80% of paedophilia on boys and girls is committed by a close family member, fathers, mothers brothers and uncles whereas sisters only preyed on very young, (under 7) boys……also that the more devoutly religious the more likely such a scenario, so this seem to be a family and religion thing first and foremost. It also found that there were a preponderance of paedophiles in religion in general and in the Abrahamic cults especially. It was also found that while there paedophiles who are gay, there are very few Gay people who are paedophile, and the explanation for this was that young children were too feminine for Gay men……..
I have long been of the opinion that the noise from the religious right is in fact a coverup for their own heinous crimes against children……
Keith, change the record. This obsession with AIDS is so dull.
and repeating yourself does not make your silly obsession any more pertinant.
I heard about a plumber that raped someone. Therefore, I’ll never get a plumber to do my plumbing again. Do you see what I did there?
The muslim and orhtodox jews have already said they’re against equal marriage ….big deal!
It demonstrates the strong similarity between extreme orthodox religions no matter what God they believe in…..
Nothing about religon, just organisations for imposing the power of the few on the many.
This story clearly demonstates where the opposition to equality in marriage is being driven from.
It doesn’t arise from the grass roots, based on peoples’ sincerely held beliefs .
Here we have see the Vatican’s instructions being handed down by their messenger to the local leaders.
Stupid suggestion, one useless coalition in the country is more than enough never mind starting another one.
Evil old queen, I hope he’s flung out of Great Britian, or the Queen gives him one of her frosty looks.
Thought I would point this little nugget out.
U-turn Tory MPs tell constituents: ‘We were wrong on gay marriage’ in bid to win back voters
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136773/U-turn-Tory-MPs-tell-constituents-We-wrong-gay-marriage-bid-win-voters.html#ixzz1tNFJyVuL
I sincerely doubt that if plans were going to be dropped that IDS would have stuck his head above the parapet yesterday.
I note that only 3 MPs are referred to in this article, only one of whom has apparently changed his stance on the matter and Number 10 has said they are still committed to the plan.
I think all this does is show Cameron that sooner is better than later in this instance. If he gets this done by next year then it’s over and forgotten by 2015, If he lets it drag on then he may not have any choice but to kick it into the long grass. It also very much depends on what happens in Scotland. When is spring over?!
Look at the comments. The daily mail readers never cease to depress me.
NO RELIGION OWNS MARRIAGE
Get it through your thick skulls!
What I mean is no religion owns civil marriage in the US, UK ,etc
Need to get that idea through those silly pointy hats most of them wear. When that happens they may start to realise what you have pointed out! haha
This is a declaration of WAR against GLBT people! It’s time his kind paid a very dear price for invading our CIVIL societies and violating our CIVIL RIGHTS! Too many little ones have already died because of his kind and their EVIL discrimination, bigotry and hatred! Yet another poor child is mentioned in today’s Pink News, in fact-killed by persecution, as so many are!
The persecution about which you speak is all rooted in religious fanaticism. All three major abrahamic cults are the perpetrators of institutionalised homophobia and should be held accountable. None of them have taken any responsibility or have admitted any complicity. Meanwhile, their persistent hateful rhetoric will result in more young people taking their lives. Nobody in politics will dare to address it unfortunately.
It’s a war we’ll win then. We don’t even have to do anything on this one, gay marriage is already going through in the UK. Give the church enough rope and they’ll hang themselves.
“Archbishop Mennini has called for a coalition with Jewish and Muslim groups against equal marriage.”
I am sure the Chief Rabbi can’t wait!
The Archbishop should be given a tour of the Tower of London.
Catholics, Muslims, Mormons and Jews will be the four horsemen of the apocalypse. So great will the injustice be it will rip apart humanity with their hate and destruction. Satan has taking over these people who want to stop and destroy the love and enjoyment of life by being with the ones they love. The Vatican has gone mad.
So the old Abominational Whore of a Church objects to Love and Marriage? Figures. They would rather screw each other in hidden sin than admit any human emotion.
Postscript: Archbishop Menini loves a wieni.
They have always shared one idea – Misogyny!
Since this campaign to prevent legislation equalizing civil marriage is clearly a political one, these Churches should no longer have charitable status and be exempt from tax – OUR taxes which they are using to fund their campaign. If you believe Churches should pay tax, there’s a petition here you might like to sign: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9406
I’ve just signed and posted to my twitter feed. Also sent it to C4EM twitter and gaydar radio too! Hope it helps
Seems to me that whilst being against same sex marriages you should show tolerance to those who support the idea.
And I think that religious leaders should be stopped being discriminatory. I think our governments should do something about that even if that means that Mennini has to leave the country. Idiot owns that much to himself…
The government just needs to tell all religious leaders to keep out of civil matters! Problem is, Cameron and his cronies don’t have the balls to do so!
Great, forget about the carnage and the mutual hatred; this threat of gays being able to marry is an attack on every religion on the planet and must be stopped. Once this is all over, it’ll be business as usual.
With the rhetoric he has spoken, anyone would think that they are declaring war!
You can clearly see where their priorities lie, and it is certainly not in helping the poor and needy is it!
Antichrist? A concept based on a myth so an nonsequitur….
Isn’t it amazing how a common enemy can unite disparate groups of people. No doubt they will start killing each other again once they eliminate the scourge of homosexuality.
Can you imagine gay people teaming up with the Orange Order against the Pope?
It’s a bit like the American’s supporting the Mujahadeen against the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan or Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran – look what happened to those alliances!
Sorry about the crusades guys, can we have a hand?
The campaign continues to bring results!
You mean that one MP might possibly have changed his mind. Wow what a result for your team.
The Daily Mail, well that’s a bastion of truth and honest reportage isn’t it? Actually no, it’s a rabid rag that plays to the lowest in society. It is the Sun newspaper for the ‘better class’ of right-wing religious delusional. Ken poor Ken, the tide of greater public opinion will wash you and the other rubbish away. This issue is your Agincourt, you and your like minded chums are playing on the French team
This is also reported in the Telegraph – and is clearly a bone of contention for the usual “gays are awful” group – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9232269/Gay-marriage-Pope-representatives-calls-for-Catholic-alliance-with-Muslim-and-Jewish-groups.html
I have great issue with the official representative of a sovereign state inciting political unrest in this country – what right does he have to carry out such highly illegal actions.
Thanks for this.
Notice the comment from one ‘enlightened’ user geoffreysmith1:
“If our troops had known what Britain would become in the following 60 years, they would have deserted en masse to the Germans.”
User expresses his preference for the Third Reich and its mass extermination of gays and undesirables to modern Britain. 51 recommends. Anybody willing to wager this comment gets moderated? Of course not.
Tantamount to sedition. UK catholic hierarchy bow in allegiance to a foreign monarch in the person of the pope, also a foreigner, first and foremost. If they had to choose between allegiance to the Queen and to this country, they would choose Rome. The Catholic Relief Act was a huge mistake.
God always comes first!
Really? Which god would that be? There are so many aren’t there? What with the Hindus coupe of thousand and the rest of them in the other religions, and lets not leave out the Scientologists or the Mormons either. Not to mention all the others resting in the big pantheon in outer space. That’s rather a lot of gods, what do they do take it in turns on a rota basis to be first do you think?
I agree with the Archbishop when he is reported to have said, “It seems to me that, concerning the institution of marriage, and indeed the sanctity of human life, we have much in common with the position of the Jewish community, the Chief Rabbi and many of the more significant representatives of Islam”
It is about time the Abrahamic faiths united on this significant issue!
It’s a shame your abrahamic faiths can’t unite on anything important, you know like peace or poverty. Although, I suppose there are other issues they are united on; misogyny, intolerance of one another, repressing progressive education, the belief in fairy tales as fact, murdering people in the name of abraham and his prophets, and of course homophobia.
And another thing they are united on – wearing ridiculous clothes like the idiot bishop in the picture.
archbishop’s and indeed RCC’s stance on the issue of equal marriage is hypocritical. roman catholic church doesn’t recognize heterosexual civil marriages as valid in the eyes of god, but you don’t see church campaigning against heterosexual civil marriages. clearly it means that the church’s opposition to equal civil marriage is homophobic and not principled one.
Makes a change to them murdering one another over the names and natures of their prophets, given that the lack-witted simple minded filth are all worshipping the same bloody god.
Religion is a cancer on humanity.
God exists whether we like it or not, and one day we will all be held accountable for our actions, so synagogues, churches and mosques should where possible unite on the common threats to family values (so called ‘gay’ marriage) and threats to unborn children (in abortion).
you are pseudo christian, the kind that resort to buffet mentality
God doesn’t exist whether you like it or not and we are held to account for our actions right here and right now. Family values? Who said your ideas of family values had to be imposed on the rest of the world? Nobody! Get used to it your delusions are all your own and the rest of us are not buying in to them.
Evolutionary psychology exists whether we like it or not, and so does the universal declaration of human rights.
Gay rights are human rights.
“God exists whether we like it or not”
Actually, god does not exist, whether you like it or not. You’re wasting your life Paul, grow up
“It is about time the Abrahamic faiths united on this significant issue!”
Yeah, god knows the christians ones are failing miserably in Europe.
Reason over religion, Paul. Wakey wakey.
Mennini is just trying to do what the church continues to do & take the heat away from the pedo issue that the church has to acknowledge and has to do something about. Oh and he’s a bigot, a misogynist, a racist,, a xenophobe and basically a Nasty peice of work.
I’ll save my diatribes. He is not even worth the energy.
KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM!!!!!
Now even the God-fearing organs of Federal Russia are adding their two penn’orth.
“Now there is a danger that if the Catholic nuncios together with all other people of goodwill keep on calling for normalcy too loudly, won’t the Washington strategists eventually decide that time has come for a “humanitarian operation” in order to “bring democracy” to Vatican?”
Good one, Boris.
why do you all keep responding to all this religious cant (may have got a vowel wrong there) they’re all such pontificating hypocrites – ignore the sad bastards!
but our glorious church doesn’t take accusations of child abuse by our priests seriously? long live Roman Catholicism I don’t think – you pack of hypocrites.
What an obvious old queen! And vicious, too. Just another example of the lady protesting too much! How terribly “Christian” she is.
Out of the three main denominations of Judaism in the UK, two (Reform and Liberal) have come out openly in favour of equal marriage, to the point of saying they want to be able to conduct legally-binding religious same-sex marriages. Admittedly they only cover about a third of UK Jews in terms of population, but only a minority of Orthodox Jews are actually all that observant. The rest are similar to nominal Christians who celebrate Christmas and Easter but little else, i.e. it’s a cultural/historical thing but they’re not following the party line on all that much.
Muslims tend to be more observant as a whole, but I still haven’t noticed them joining forces with the Vatican. The word from the interfaith conferences for the three Abrahamic faiths is that the Muslims and Jews get on beautifully as they have a lot in common, and the Christians are less involved.
Complete idiots – I mean you guys. Whats Catholisism ever done for you? Well, it singlehandedly produced the modern education system, hospitals. And to say that they put gay marriage ahead of anything else is crap – it has the most AIDs clinics in the world – and continues always to give to the poor. And you think they are in the wrong?