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  1. Good. Rip them a new one.

  2. Sevak Kirakosyan 28 Apr 2012, 2:24pm

    Not enough of corrupting and perverting youth, eh, catholics???

    We do know about other interesting nuances, and now even in schools…

    A religion producing paedophile priests and self-destructing homosexuals (having ‘fun’ with vegetables as their normal homosexuality isn’t godly to some…) is ‘protecting’ school children… how genuinely sweet and safe!!!!

    1. de Villiers 28 Apr 2012, 4:08pm

      It is not new or original to engage in another attack on Catholics. There have been terrible abuses in the Catholic church – and appalling behaviour which is detailed in this article. That does not mean it is reasonable to ask of all Catholics whether we all have had enough of corrupting and perverting youth.

      1. Paddyswurds 28 Apr 2012, 4:15pm

        And why not, since they give their implicit approval. When they stand en masse against Rome and the naz1 pope and say enough then we will know where they come from… In the meantime they still stay silent and continue to fill the coffers of this homophobic paedophile organisation…..

      2. Catholics are complicit in both their silence and their inaction. The Vatican is insanely wealthy, and yet takes money from the poor to support itself. The hierarchy LIES about the use of condoms, condemning more to poverty and death. The church engages in the most monstrous acts of covering up criminal acts.

        And what do you do? Keep ticking the census boxes and keep putting your cash in the collection plate.

        I’m curious. What do they have to do to make people like you get off your backsides and not ask for change (given that the RCC is not a democracy) but demand it or make it clear that you will walk away?

      3. “That does not mean it is reasonable to ask of all Catholics whether we all have had enough of corrupting and perverting youth.”

        My grandparents neither corrupted nor perverted me but it’s difficult to understand how, even though they hate the Pope and are disgusted by the cover up of child abuse, they still go to Church every sodding Sunday for mass…. AND look down their noses at any other church like they could never possibly attend any church other than a Catholic one.

        It makes me feel sick to my stomach with the pair of them although I love them dearly.

      4. I agree with you de Villiers. Too often, normal Catholics are judged unfairly by other people. I personally have no problem with people making sweeping statements about the church when making reference to the atrocious decisions and statements that the Pope sometimes makes, but I think it isn’t fair to make sweeping generalisations of the whole community. Some of the more liberal Catholics are lovely people and some are gay themselves, but as Joss has mentioned, some have some feeling of moral superiority over other religions and indeed over other Catholics. I myself, when making reference to being a gay Catholic in response to an article on Yahoo news received a horrible response from someone claiming to be Catholic who was assertive that by being gay I was a false “so-called Catholic”. So yes, don’t make attacks on all Catholics, but it is fair to say that some of them can be absolute dicks :s

    2. gays arent self destructing – they are murdered by religious nut cases, or simply driven to suicide.

  3. Well done PinkNews … thanks for putting you’re oar in :)

    1. Agreed – and like Ben Summerskill says, it’s “Nice to celebrate high quality gay journalism with integrity.”

      Pink News has done more than most to fight homophobia and make equality happen.

  4. Wub Folfsky 28 Apr 2012, 2:28pm

    Surely this needs to be on more mainstream news too? Like the BBC… I mean the gay community knows the tricks they will pull but I doubt most of the population reads pinknews….

    1. Never a truer word said. Unless you read the Guardian most of the really sensational stuff that PN covers is absent from media, and even then it’s not always covered. If only we had a national broadcasting service that all British citizens could fund through an annual tariff. Then there would be a neutral media provider to give equal and balanced coverage on all these issues. It could be called something like, oh I don’t know, the British Broadcasting Corporation? Oh wait, hang on…….

      1. The story has finally made the BBC’s digital teletext pages, but don’t know what their coverage has been like in other media. I would hope that it makes the national television news.

        1. It has finally made it to the BBC website too.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17883093

  5. No government will stop Catholics from teaching their children the truth about marriage.

    1. ….and what exactly is the “Truth” ?
      Shame on you if you believe the Catholic church has right to know and to teach children their interpretation of “truth” which impacts on the lives and beliefs of all people.

    2. Paula Thomas 28 Apr 2012, 2:50pm

      This isn’t about individual catholic parents passing values on the their children. It is about an institution funded by the state teaching children to hate. That should not be allowed.

    3. And no catholic will stop our Government from working towards a more tolerant society where your bigoted hateful views are seen for what they are. Jesus would have been ashamed that his religion ended up with an ex n4zi as your leader.

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 Apr 2012, 5:38pm

        And rapists of children as his priests .

    4. same sex unions happened till about 600 years ago. And considering how many people in the old testament had several wives, I really don’t think the church has that much authority in the matter of marriage at all.

    5. Paddyswurds 28 Apr 2012, 4:22pm

      You are a homophobic bigot and karma WILL get you madam. Remember these words when that happens.

    6. Ha, ha, ha…. Catholic truth… ha, ha, ha…. virgins giving birth, walking on water, talking burning bushes, evil apple trees and talking snakes, waking from the dead…. ha, ha, ha ….

      Are we in Kansas yet Dorthy?

      Ha, ha, ha….

    7. @Jean . . . if you must insist on posting comments on PN, at least have the decency to engage in dialogue with our responses.

    8. Dumb beast.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 2:31pm

    About time, well done Mr. Gove and well done, Pink News for exposing the scandal. To add insult to injury, a papal envoy from Rome has been here over agitating.

    Since this is a foreign religion in our country and its hierarchy subserviant to a foreign power in Rome first and foremost, could it not be construed as interfering in the domestic affairs of our country? Who do these people think they are exactly? What gives them the right to try to subvert our government? I’ve a good mind to contact Theresa May. There is something intrinsically wrong about this.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9232269/Gay-marriage-Pope-representatives-calls-for-Catholic-alliance-with-Muslim-and-Jewish-groups.html

    1. Paddyswurds 28 Apr 2012, 4:28pm

      @Robert….
      ….I have serious doubts whether either of these groups will want anything to do with the cesspit that is the RC church and Rome. The Jews will remember that the church and pope Pius who refused to excommunicate H1tler and for all intents sided with the Naz1s. Islam will no doubt remember the Crusades when Rome sent it hordes to murder the Islamic people in their own lands……

    2. this is a shocking abuse of the education system.

      And the RC really should think twice before associating itself with Muslim teachings.

    3. Pedro Campesinos 28 Apr 2012, 10:03pm

      A foreign religion? You lot really are pig-ignorant. Go back to the period before the Reformation and Catholicism was THE national religion. It’s one thing to be so stridently one-eyed but don’t betray plain stupidity as well.

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 Apr 2012, 10:37pm

        In case you didnt notice, but you do realise that your messiah is a middle eastern jew.

        Not quite an ENglish national, was he..

      2. Christianity was a foreign import not native to the British Isles just like Japanese Knotweed it proliferated under the genus ‘Catholic’ until the Henrician reformation when it was erradicated by the Church of England. A brief attempt to replant was made under MaryTudor but did not take. The Elizabethan Settlement replanted the Church of England. Now fortunately with modern weedkillers christianity is seen for the invasive pest it is and is being irradicated out of the landscape. Christianity is a very dangerous, poisonous and invasive plant at it’s most virulent in the Catholic species. When found it’s best pulled up by its roots and thrown in the compost.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 2:32pm

    I wonder if Lynne Featherstone is aware, as well as Theresa May? We should all contact them.

  8. Good. The Vatican should not be sending letters to UK schools. Imagine our government/CofE sending letters to Italian schools.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 3:23pm

      Exactly right. I’m going to email Theresa May about that.

  9. Christopher Roche 28 Apr 2012, 2:50pm

    The need for action on this issue is obvious, but Gove’s statement is rather alarming: “While faith schools, rightly, have the freedom to teach about sexual relations and marriage in the context of their own religion, that should not extend to political campaigning.” Really? Why should state-funded schools be able to teach about sexuality in the context of ancient texts littered with homophobic sentiment and calls for punishment and execution of gays? This prioritisation of culture and religion over humanity and basic concepts of equality is unjustifiable and needs to be challenged!

    1. Absolutely agree – Ancient texts written by primitive people who could not explain why the sun rose have nothing to offer on the subject of human sexuality.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 3:22pm

      I second that! If you ask me, religion in general is abusing the freedoms it already enjoys but worse, is abusing gay people and our desire for the most part, to be free from religion and religious indoctrination. It works both ways, but not for them. It is doing everything in its power to subvert government and it’s about time the government stepped in and drew a line in the sand once and for all, but I’ll hold my breath on that one.

  10. I blame Gordon Brown, he pandered to the Catholic schools and gave them the right to teach PSHE in a non balanced way which has since been removed by the Tories. Perhaps the government needs to remind them they no longer have that privilege to teach only their view.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 3:26pm

      You know what their response would be? “You’re abusing our freedom of religion” victim card bulls_it. They always play the victim card at every provocation to get their way. This what all their opposition is about regarding equal marriage. They care nothing for those who want freedom from religion. It has to be their way or as they say in America, “the highway”. Arrogant, vile disgusting people.

  11. Applaud this move. Most welcome. A fight back against 2 months of news making by the vile C4M and the vile chorus in the cardinals.

    We need c4em to each 6 figures.
    http://www.c4em.org.uk/

  12. Paddyswurds 28 Apr 2012, 4:20pm

    @jean…
    …..That is fine so long as they don’t spout this homophobic garbage in State funded schools. Let them corrupt their own children in the home so the children will grow up to be homophobic bigots or better grow up resenting their parents for teaching them out and out lies. That way the bigoted parents won’t be able to say “but they were taught that in school”

  13. I don’t agree with the state funding of religious schools. I welcome this investigation.

  14. Surely this is why faith schools are not a good idea and should not be allowed?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 7:24pm

      Well, although I’m an atheist (formerly catholic), I do believe there should be faith schools as long as they’re not funded by the state. Make them all private. If we want freedom from religion, we have to allow them to have their beliefs but not at the taxpayers’ expense. After all, religion is chosen and mutable. You could actually describe religious belief as a hobby. I don’t know of any hobbyists receiving state funding or any hobby for that matter.

  15. I also do not agree with religious state funded schools. Perhaps the Government should take another look at this. The Catholic Church should be ashamed of themselves. They have no right to lecture anyone. I hope the Secretary of State takes the appropriate action.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 Apr 2012, 5:06pm

      I see Herr Pope really really hates us.

      “Unite to oppose same-sex marriage: Pope’s envoy asks Muslims, Jews”

      http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/Unite-to-oppose-same-sex-marriage-Pope-s-envoy-asks-Muslims-Jews/Article1-847658.aspx

      The religious want a war it as a war they will get.

      1. They conveniently sweep under the carpet that it wasn’t so long ago Ratzinger openly declared his contempt for the muslims…
        Guess like the Judean Peoples Front and the People’s Front of Judea in Life of Brian they’re uniting against the common enemy (for all of 5 minutes)

  16. This is ridiculous. If it was political campaigning then surely the equality obligations are no different.

  17. I was 14 at Catholic school and the priest came in and wrote 2 words on the board: masturbation, homosexuality. Get involved in any of these and you are damned. These damn catholics still at it! BBC/ITV/C4 where are you?

    1. What’s wrong with masturbation I wonder? Are you telling me the Pope doesn’t masturbate? Yeah, right! You’ll be telling me next Jesus didn’t masturbate…

      1. The Pope certainly, Jesus no. It’s not possible to wank an imaginary cock on an imaginary man. Not unless delusional, see comment regarding Pope.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 29 Apr 2012, 12:41pm

      The clergy’s obsession with those two topics are quite revealing. At 16, my parish priest would often ask me if I were having any problems with masturbation and if I did, we could discuss it in his study. I said ‘NO’, are you? He stopped after that.

  18. Simple truth – There should be NO faith schools. Schools are the greatest gift to young people, to equip and prepare them for their adult life by providing a thorough and useful educational experience.

    Once single moment spent on superstitious hogwash and moronic bronze age fairy tales is a moment of potential stolen from youth.

  19. Catholics and Christians think they are above the law with no repect for others rights and freedoms. They have become the evil criminals they preach about. Just look at their priest who rape and abuse children and get away with it around the world. That is the real sin and becasue they can not control their own people they need to be taken over.

  20. Again, I work as a freelance reporter, I too have contacted Department for Education, and they tell me there is no investigation planned, as yet….

    1. Benjamin Cohen 28 Apr 2012, 7:29pm

      That’s not true. The BBC and PA both have very similar statements to the quotation we were given by the DFE this morning

    2. Mike

      Nice try at trying to undermine the story. Unfortunately when many other news outlets are also covering it then your lies are quite obvious.

      You should perhaps do your “freelance reporting” elsewhere, because evidence and facts don’t seem to fit in your vocabulary.

      Ben

      Congrats again on a fantastic scoop!

    3. I don’t think you’re a very good freelance reporter…..

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17883093

      1. Benjamin Cohen 29 Apr 2012, 1:44pm

        Stu,
        Thanks, it’s a great story and exactly what PinkNews is for!

  21. What is it with Catholics and children?…Why can’t they just leave them alone?…

    1. The church needs to see that the next generation is properly indoctrinated so that it will reach in to its pocket. It’s a con, a pyramid scheme, where those at the top extort the masses to perpetuate their own existence.

      “Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant. It lives on the labors of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver.” R. G. Ingersoll.

  22. The next inclined to bash the US for right wing whackos influcing politics, consider that public funds are not used to endow religious schools here. Perverse is a gay person’s tax dollars used to fund a religious school that teaches he’s going to Hell.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 7:20pm

      You’re not quite right about public funds and funding religious schools. Apparently, in New York state, they are funded.

      http://www.nysenate.gov/news/klein-cardinal-egan-rally-religious-leaders-state-funds-schools

  23. Perhaps demanding that all churches who engage in such overtly political activity lose their charitable – therefore tax exempt – status would be a good line of attack; Al Capone was brought down for tax evasion rather than murder and bootlegging, after all….

  24. Make the Churches pay tax as they’re breaking the terms of their charitable status by engaging in political activity:
    Sign the petition: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9406

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 7:15pm

      Signed! Thanks for posting the link.

    2. Pedro Campesinos 28 Apr 2012, 10:00pm

      Don’t be a moron. This is not a political issue. Do you even know what poltics is?

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 28 Apr 2012, 11:52pm

        Clearly you don’t.

    3. love it, signed it, linked it to facebook

  25. Oh this is too delicious. When C4M was launched, it unequivocally stated to PinkNews that it was a political and not a religious organisation.
    I hope that PinkNews forwards C4M’s statement on the matter to Gove’s investigators because it rather undermines attempts by the Catholic Church to colour their enthusiastic support of C4M as a religious matter.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2012, 9:01pm

      Good point, dazzer!

  26. Pedro Campesinos 28 Apr 2012, 9:59pm

    The Catholic church is entirely within its rights to voice its objection to gay marriage, and that ghastly Gove character would do well to steer well clear of an issue which has nothing to do with his remit.

    Children who attend some of the excellent catholic schools in this country do so because their parents prefer them to be brought up with a moral ethos that actually still means something, uneroded by the politically correct rubbish that gets spouted elsewhere.

    The government wouldn’t dream of stepping in to question Jewish or Muslim schools on this issue, but feels it can do so with the Catholics since they see them as a more legitimate target and won’t be accused of being anti-semitic.

    Good story for this website to have unearthed, but I’m very angry about this

    1. So, Pedro, your ‘moral ethos’ encompasses toleration of physical and sexual abuse of children. Are you proud of this?

      1. Why would he approve of those things? Or perhaps you’re using what’s known as “Daily Mail arguments”. Nice straw man.

        1. “Why would he approve of those things?”

          Why would you support it is more the question. Not too keen in democracy and separation of evacuation from superstition and bigotry, are you?

          The beauty of religion, eh Adam? Makes you stupid.

    2. No, dear. The RCC is within its rights to say that it won’t perform same sex marriages on its premises or with the participation of its priests.

      What it may not do is interfere in the civil law of the land – which is secular in nature and does not consider the desires of imaginary brone age desert djinns.

      And the concept of the RCC being moral is hilarious. It has the most odious history of lies, child abuse and murder.

      1. I second Valksy’s statement. Besides, critical inspection of clauses from the bible that condemn homosexuality would show that they all have a high degree of fallability and a low degree of credibility. Believe me, I;m a Catholic (though drifting further and further away from the church with each passing day) and I’ve read the biblical passages enough to realise that most other Catholics don’t actually know what part of the bible declares homosexuality as a sin (Leviticus 18) and that of those who have read it they often read the passages, without referring to the texts from which they are written. (i.e. no Catholic follows every laid out in Leviticus, therefore quoting Leviticus to strengthen one’s arguments against homosexuality often demonstrates pettiness and ignorance of the book from whence such a passage originates)

    3. So Pedro

      Are you really trying to say that the conduct of a school or of a body calling themselve the “Catholic Education Service” would not be of interest to the Education Secretary?

      Are you also saying that the leaders of the C4M were lying when they said their campaign was political and not religious?

    4. “prefer them to be brought up with a moral ethos that actually still means something”

      Or prefer to increase their chances of being raped by a priest.

  27. Craig Denney 28 Apr 2012, 10:07pm

    The problem with these religious extremists is they believe GOD is directing them down this arduous path like it’s some kind of test to see how faithful they are. The rule of law gets ignored in their quest for self flagellation. These people want to be persecuted, it’s part of their religious extremist ideology to be persecuted just like Jesus was.

    Of course they knew the petition was going to fail, because they will try to use this as yet more evidence of persecution and if the government dose not start clapping down on this kind behaviour then there could be real problems in the future.

    Read your history Mr Gove, the Catholic’s can not be trusted!

  28. Does anyone more knowledgeable than I have any idea as to what an outcome of this investigation could be? i.e. the most favourable one within the parameters of the investigation. In an ideal world I’d like this to start the ball rolling with regards to the dismantling of church and state, but I really don’t believe that this will happen any time soon. In reality I suspect that the most that will come of this will be a highlighting of faith school’s sometimes dubious practices which will hopefully provide more ammunition in the long term, but in the short term I suspect just a few wrapped knuckles at best. What powers does the Secretary of State etc. have if it is found that the schools in question were in breach of certain laws?

    1. One outcome of the investigation should be to discredit the C4M petition…although I think that may already have happenned

    2. Various potential outcomes are possible including:

      Discredit of C4M
      Disciplinary action against headteacher involved
      Examination if other schools have acted similarly and similar action if they have done
      Censure of Catholic Education Service
      Warning to all schools about political involvement
      Increased public debate on the role of religion in schools

      All potentially good outcomes.

  29. I think the CES should be required to distribute copies of Ian Duncan Smith’s Times article to all pupils and have it read out in assembly and Miss Noone is not allowed to give a sick note for that day!

  30. Gove has no option to investigate this nefariousness development. Children are yet against at risk from the catholic church.

    1. Craig Denney 29 Apr 2012, 1:11am

      Naa, all the stat’s show there is more support for equal marriage than there is for these extremists. DC would be comiting political suicide if he U-turned on this.

    2. Another scare story , full of vague details…. we never get a list of these revolting Tory backbenchers and they always neglect to mention all the Tory MPs who have come out in favour of it. They also aways seem to forget they are in a coalition govt and the lib dems could always bring the bill to a vote.

      The Daily mail has just given David Cameron and the GEO another opportunity to kick ass.

      The people mentioned in the article Patrick Mcloughlin, Philip Lee will now get a flurry of letters and I suspect they will have to another U-turn, assuming they ever turned in the first place!

      1. I’ve been saying this all along, let’s see what happens.

  31. Have schools have the freedom to teach about RACIAL relations and marriage in the context of their own religion, Mr Gove?

  32. If you go here;
    http://c4m.org.uk/signatures/?page=169927&ipp=1

    “Next Page 169927 of 169927″

    They have around 170,000 online signatures, so must have 303,000 non-online ones. The “ipp” figures is normally set to 1000, to display 1000 sigs per page.

    So they will have to produce around 20 large boxes of 2500 sheets with sigs on. Also, how many of these come from those under 16, or not from the UK? How would you be able to check?

    1. C4M check all signatures.

      In fact, couples with the same email address can only register one vote. Also, all addresses are checked to make sure they are valid UK ones. As for the 16 age limit, that’s a restriction self-imposed by C4M because that’s the age when someone can legally marry in the UK. Personally, I wouldn’t have imposed such a restriction on myself – which would probablt then have garnered more votes.

      It’s because of these checks and double checks that names take time to appear on the petition. Also, from what I have heard, most of the paper petition forms haven’t been processed, yet – most elderly people will have signed those, not the online one.

      1. Commander Thor 29 Apr 2012, 5:32pm

        That should bring it to a grand total of 1% of the population then.

      2. GulliverUK 29 Apr 2012, 7:53pm

        You cannot check whether a gmail or hotmail address is someone located in the UK or not, and anyone can use any postcode – there is no way to check these things. The petition is a waste of time. What MPs and the government do is what is important. If they kick it in to the long-grass the Tories will have thrown everything away.

  33. Maybe Catholic schools should sell all their properties, which so far they allow the state to use…?

    With over 2,000 schools, many of which are in London and are therefore worth many millions each, that would see the Government having to cough up over £100 billion… Yeah, don’t see that happening.

    1. Maybe that italian religion should get its nose out of British politics. Or perhaps the state will just repossess the schools and all catholic property. It’s happened before.

      1. “Italian religion” – talk about prejudices, and ignorance! There’s xenophobia, religious intolerance, anti-Catholicism, etc, etc…

        That so-called “Italian religion” (which is actually the worlds largest and racially most representative and mixed) was for 1,000 years England’s only religion. It brought En gland out of the Dark Ages of pagan Saxon and Dane barbarity into being a culturally and politically successful state.

        1. “It brought En gland out of the Dark Ages”

          It CAUSED the dark ages. It’s also responsible for suppression of truth and science for hundred of years. Get you facts right before you idolise a religions based on control, corruption, suppression of thought and power.

    2. Sure we can – let’s collect all the back tax from the cult of Rome.

    3. Given the amount of state money that has been invested in that property, parliament could argue they had a right to take ownership of the property. There is precedent in individual faith schools being swallowed into the state system with property going to the LEA, why shouldnt all RC schools (or CoE for that matter) also be swallowed up?

    4. Now, how long has the RC church been active in the UK?

      Allegedly since 597AD

      Now, even if we only consider back to when Elizabeth I became supreme governor in 1559 then since this period there are over 450 years where the income of the RC church has not been subject to taxation …. thats quite some amount of back tax due.

      Even the school buildings won’t cover that debt/

      1. Someone is drooling all over the hoard. For someone who categorically affirms not to duel with the past, now you’re showing an acute interest in it. Am I surprised? Not really. This is yet another example on how you revisit the past according to your personal convenience.

      2. The Catholic Church has been active on these islands since the first century. Saints Alban, Julian and Aaron were martyred in St Albans and Caerleon respectfully under Diocletian. In 312, several Bishops represented Britiannia at a Church Council on the Continent. During the Saxon invasion, there was a constant flow of letters between Rome and the Catholic bishops of Britain… Then the Saxons brought their pagan barbarity to that area now known as England… It was then, after the Catholic Church had been expunged by the Saxons, that it resent a mission, under Pope St Gregory the Great in 597. It was the Church that formed the English state, provided its bureaucracy for 1,000 years, taught its children, fed its poor, nursed its sick – all without charge.

        Then, the English state stole all the Catholic Church’s property under Henry and Elizabeth – a crime that probably amounts to the theft of so much money that the UK would be completely and utterly bankrupted were it to pay it back

    5. Paddyswurds 30 Apr 2012, 11:38am

      It is high time religions paid their way. It is time religion started paying taxes for the services they have been availing of free for centuries. If the head of State, the Queen has to pay taxes so should the falsehood that is religion. As for selling off schools the state “uses”, Most of those same buildings were donated or bequeathed to the Abrahamic cults by deluded and dare i say conned followers so they aren’t religions to sell as the deal with a large amount of them is that they revert to the original owners or their descendents when they go out of use for which they were originally donated.

  34. Robert in S. Kensington 29 Apr 2012, 4:53pm

    And what about the underage girls the catholic priests molested?
    Yes, pal….girls too were the victims, plenty of them in America, Belgium, Ireland and elsewhere!

    http://www.snapnetwork.org/female_victims/females_complicates_issue.htm

    1. You seem to be mistaking the concept of homosexuality with the sex of those involved in child sexual abuse. As a variety of psychological papers have actually pointed out, the two are separate issues. Even the Catholic Church funded a $2 million psychological study to attempt to prove that homosexuality was linked to paedophilia so that it could turn away homosexual priests, but unfortunately, the study that they themselves had funded failed to supply the conclusion that they were so desperately hoping for i.e. that there was no link between homosexuality and paedophilia.

      1. No you have not highlighted nor evidenced anything.

        Where is the citations to evidence your claims?

        Without research or concrete verifiable evidence then your claims are nothing more than supposition or speculation on your part.

        Given your arrogance, I would expect nothing else but you to make claims and not be able to back them up with sustainable evidence.

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 29 Apr 2012, 9:24pm

        You have NO factual evidence. Provide it please. At least the John Jay Criminal Justice study in the U.S. conducted at the request of the Catholic church didn’t reach the conclusion the church wanted or the one you wanted. In fact it did NOT even state that paedophilia is an overwhelmingly homosexual phenomenon, quite the contrary. The main reason as the study entailed was that there were more boys available to clergy than girls, but girls were also molested. So please provide us with the report from which you gathered your information? We’re waiting.

        1. Hetero-pride.. Great 2B Straight!. 30 Apr 2012, 3:15pm

          @ Robert
          I used the information form you own link as I have already pointed out. The link you supplied stated that 50 percent of priestly Catholic child abuse is homosexual in nature. The link also stated that 30 percent of Catholic priests are homosexual. Therefore Einstein, the homosexual 30 percent minority are committing 50 percent of the child abuse while the hetero majority of 70 percent are commiting the same percent age of abuse as the homodeviant 30 percent.
          A clear disturbing disproportion.
          Have a nice day you deviant apologist!
          Ps , here is your own link again
          http://www.snapnetwork.org/female_victims/females_complicates_issue.htm

    2. Evidence to support this claim?

  35. Your comment demonstrates your ignorance surrounding the homosexuality-paedophilia link. I’d say you read the FRC report relating homosexuality to paedophilia but the intelligence demonstrated through your asserted opinions would make me consider that you probably haven’t attempted to read such an article and that you are merely making personal assumptions. However, it is amusing to consider that the Catholic Church, an institute which would like to be able to blame homosexuality for the paedophilia which has infected its ranks, actually funded a $2 million study to attempt to find a link between homosexuality and paedophilia less than 5 years ago. A few years after the study started, it was finally completed with the conclusion that, actually, there is no link between homosexuality and paedophilia- a conclusion that has already been reached by a variety of psychologists quite a few years ago.
    Hope I’ve cleared up some of your ignorance for the day :)

  36. Do you think your childish misuse of my name as Stu(Pid) offends or upsets me?

    Think again.

    1. But his obsession with you should :) You can do better, Stu…. :)

      I like how he’s foaming at the mouth more than normal today. Maybe he can’t afford more drink until his next social welfare payment?

      1. His obsession is concerning, hence why I made a complaint to the police which they are investigating. He is complete denial about this – but they day will come when he will be held to account for his odious ways.

        1. “He is complete denial about this”

          I’d say he’s in complete denial about a lot of things….

        2. Hetero-pride.. Great 2B Straight!. 30 Apr 2012, 2:14pm

          You have given me no reason not to be in denial you deviant dunderheaded llying fantasist. Also a plagiarist and a sock puppeteer who likes to set up argumnts with himself! Yes Stu(pid), we all remember!

        3. Hetero-pride.. Great 2B Straight!. 30 Apr 2012, 3:13pm

          @ homodeviant Stu(pid)
          You have failed to produce a single criminal post of mine. Furthermore, it is not a criminal offence to be odious!. It is not a criminal offence to lie either,
          hence your continued persistence regarding my ever so imminent arrest which is now in to month five.
          You will be exposed on an aomost daily basis by me,regarding the arest that will never come.
          I am now asking for the umpteenth time, is there a date by which you will concede there will be no arrest or wyou be upping the ante as tme progresses, perhaps inoking interpol, the FBI, CIA , Mi5, 007, Bruce Willis etc?

  37. Yawn.

    Still here. Any yet you comments seem to have a habit of “vanishing”.

    1. Still here and still asserting his ‘straightness’. :D

      1. “I comment on the topics and on the issue of homosexuality.”

        Yes, becuase you are one. Or at least a “former member” before the religious freaks took you.

    2. “intellectual pygmy ‘Will’…”

      LOL! Is that the best you can do? LOL! Ahhh, a little tantrum again becuase all your comments have gone bye-bye? Poor, drunken mad little Keith.

      My intellect is so far above you, you look like a little crazy ant to me. Its why MY comments don’t disappear.

  38. Here in Aus Catholic and fundamentalist schools (all state funded) can do and say what they like about gays, They are completely independent of the anti-discrimination legislation.

    1. My understanding is that the Austrralian Commonwealth Government is intending to consolidate federal anti-discrimination laws at the national level. There is an ongoing consultation at the moment which people are able to contribute to. The Australian Catholic Bishops Conference have responded suggesting that religious freedom enable them able to be exempt from anti discrimination law on grounds of sexual orientation, gender identity, lawful sexual behaviour and marital/parental status.

      It seems that there is strong support across Australia for any current exemptions regarding religious bodies to be re-examined.

      1. People have the right to be disgusted by idiocy and bigotry. Sorry this does not fit with your distorted world view .

  39. Keith being erased again, is he?

    And yet he comes back.

    Like a dog who knows no better.

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