Hmmm. St Philomena’s is a state school under Croydon Council and so it’s fair to say that Croydon council tax payers have funded that little diatribe of hate.
Know any Croydon residents who might want to officially express their disgust?
Stu: If you want public funding in a school, the show balance in teaching and be prepared to respond to reasonable questions from pupils not dictate to them how they should formulate their own ethical judgements.
Does a child choose their school? No
So, Kens argument is false? As per usual.
Ken: No. Their parents do and their parents choose Catholic schools because they know it is best for their children.
By the way, are you aware that faith schools are always over subscribed?
“By the way, are you aware that faith schools are always over subscribed?”
Because there are fewer and fewer of them to accommodate the dwindling amount of parents who are daft enough to want their child thought by paedophiles and superstitious and bigoted idiots like you Ken.
The point is that whoever chooses the school – its not the children. They are a captive audience. They have no choice about being there. Thus grotesque immoral doctrination such as this has no place in a modern society which values humanity.
Not that Ken would understand humane, since he sides with those who support Christian terrorism.
@Ken It’s the parents who choose the school, not the children. So your suggestion ” If you don’t like to receive lessons against homosexuality, then don’t go to a Catholic school” doesn’t make sense.
Thank you. I didn’t understand that myself. These kids are a captive audience. I know when I was young and my parents sent me to a faith school, I had NO say in the matter whatsoever.
It most certainly was because Pope Pius XII didn’t want to “rock the boat” for fear of reprisals against catholics. Evil incarnate but then so was the catholic, Herr Hitler.
Hitler? really? Having also studied Hitler for my year 12 history course (and gaining an A may i add), i am a lot more educated on both sides of the argument on these matters and feel your comments are beyond ridiculous.
Perhaps you should gain some understanding in how you assess differences in knowledge.
Firstly, in order to compare you need to know your level of knowledge (which you clearly do). However, you must ALSO know the level of knowledge of the person you seek to compare yourself too. Ideally, you also need some level of reasonable comparison e.g. test, education results etc.
Now, I presume you do not know Roberts level of qualifications in terms of history. Do you?
Do you know whether or not Robert has a PhD in modern German history specialising in 1920-1950?
If he does, and I don’t know, then I would argue this demonstrates a higher level of understanding that a year 12 history course.
“The mists of history swirl around Pope Benedict XVI’s hometown in the foothills of the Bavarian Alps in Germany.
It was there that he came of age as Joseph Ratzinger and served in H tler Youth during the rise of the Third Reich.
Shining a light on that history offers a glimpse of the context underpinning the Vatican’s current crisis, which results from the pope’s decision last month to rescind the excommunication of a renegade, ultra-conservative bishop who actively denies the Holocaust.
The decision unleashed a firestorm of controversy, with the German government weighing in last week, Israel’s chief rabbinate severing ties with the Vatican, and Catholics and Jews worldwide feeling that decades of hard work and goodwill in improving relations between the two faiths had been undermined.”
I think the religious nature of the school a child goes to is often a decision made by the parents not the child.
This is yet another reason why religiously “aided” schools should be abolished and either turned into fully private schools or state schools. If not ban all religious schools full stop.
Well it is not exactly their choice, is it? These little girls will have been sent there by their parents, choosing the school when rhe girls were 10 years old.
How many of these sexuall oppressed children will grow up to be the next generation of Cathiolic priest child molesters? How many of these Catholic children will become bullies and end up in prison for comitting hate crimes as a result of the hate teachings and discrimination and persecution of gays today? How many of these children are really gay? This is the proof that the Catholc Church is teaching hate today in the world. They are no longer he religious leaders they pretent to be when it is plan to see that they are in the business of evil and harming others who love each other and want to get married. By the way that is what the Catholic priest need to do today to stop them from raping children, let them get married.
Did you see a recent article – I think it was in Irish central, where IL Papa with his narrow mustache whined and said never never re priests marrying
But he’s so desperate for priests – eg 70k in the USA down now to about 40K, that he started a separate episcopate for married old duddies from the episcopal church who want to join his hate parade.
hey smart arse, how are you gonna get catholic priests out of an all girls school. Also not once was there any talk of hatred of gay’s in our assembly, it was simply a description of what the catholic church says on the matter and also a slide with a link to a petition against gay marriage. The catholic church has not walked down the streets and preached to the world their opinions of gay marriage but only told followers, girls that go to a catholic school and those who attend mass at church. So leave pettiness out of this and come up with a decent argument.
the master of Frankensteins castle in Rome also unexcommunicated a holocaust denier , Bishop Williamson, in 2009
RATZInger grew up in his native germany in the 1930s when the ultimate tragedy of the jews, courtesy of the hate of the church over a millenia was unfolding
And it wasnt just the Jews, it was the gays of germany also.
if there was a god, the vatican would have long ago discovered the hard way it was sitting on top of Vesuvius II.
And the vaticans talk about protecting life is just another of its horrible scams. A.Hitxxx, born and baptised catholic in Austria in 1888, also went to catholic schools. Go look on the web and you’ll see he has yet to be “explicitly EXcommunicated”
the catholic and some evangelical churches are the Islam of the west.
listen yea, we are not under croydon council, get it right.
we are located in the sutton borough in CARSHALTON.
and also im a croydon resident, i am not disgusted and st philomena’s is a catholic school
Actually it’s not Croydon but Sutton, and it’s a school which does well academically so quite a few non-Catholic parents try to squeeze their girls in there if they don’t make it to one of Sutton’s super-selective Grammar schools!
I am in fact a Sutton council tax payer and I have already expressed my disgust in the strongest possible terms, and I’m sure the rest of my family and many neighbours will do the same. However, St Phil’s might well be on the way to becoming an Academy, in which case they will be able to do whatever they want no matter what the LA says.
More vile Catholic bigotry. again, what angers me is not that it is done but there are some members of the gay community who support this backward and evil religion.
The picture is a bit more complex than that. Doubtless you did not see the articles about the American Catholic radical feminist nuns who have defied the Vatican by continuing their emphasis on helping the poor instead of banging on about same-sex marriage and contraception. Not to mention the many Catholics who agree with the nuns. http://theweek.com/article/index/227031/the-vaticans-crackdown-on-radical-feminist-nuns
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I personally would leave any religion that was not liberal and inclusive; but some have argued that if everyone did that, then the power structures would be left in the hands of the bigots. So some people opt to work for change from within. I wonder if this is possible with the entrenched conservatism of the Catholic Church, but it has made some progress, when you consider its appalling record in the past.
“I personally would leave any religion that was not liberal and inclusive; but some have argued that if everyone did that, then the power structures would be left in the hands of the bigots.”
And if the bigots are truly in minority as these religious people claim, then they would surely quickly die out or become so small they are irrelevant.
The best way to change the catholic church is to leave them since they are a money making industry, they will sh¡t themselves when they lose the revenue.
Or they can go Pagan. I know many ex-Christians who did because of what is written in the scriptures and because they were simply tired of being GLBT in a church that doesn’t want them.
The Episcopalians in the states are basically good guys and I attend mostly because I respect the teachings of Jesus as opposed to those of most of his followers.
Right. So a faith school can teach bigotry so long as they don’t practice it on their own? Bit like being a non-practicing non-heterosexual then? A certain twisted consistency.
my sister is in year 8 & i am in year 13; those in sixth form were “encouraged” (note the word, encouraged and not forced) to sign it and yet, i don’t know one person who did. Furthermore, my sister and her year group were not told to sign it, they were told to tell their parents about it as they understood the legal requirements of signing a petition. I don’t think the headteacher of one of the best schools in the country would have been so naive as to expect 12 year olds to sign it?
“I don’t think the headteacher of one of the best schools in the country would have been so naive as to expect 12 year olds to sign it” (sic)
The Catholic religion believes a child of 12 can give its very SOUL away, in Communion, (the Catholic Industry is in full flight with it here in Spain right now, selling the clothes) and if you are a believer, that is surely the greatest thing of all, so don’t be so disingenuous as to say that the head teacher would be above encouraging a twelve-year-old to sign a mere earthly petition!
Shut up!! i go to the same school, but no one got forced to sign it.. if anyone wants to take it out on something about the petition ..go nd talk about it to the bishop who sent the letter
Watch this space. There is a growing sense of horror in society about the damage that religions do. There is a call for the separation of church and state – and that includes no state funding for religious schooling. It will happen, it may take some time. Your indoctrination may blind you to the facts. Your days are numbered.
Really? I wouldn’t count on that. YOU get over yourself. People are sick and tired of the Catholic Church feeling it should dictate to the rest of us how to live.
They said that about the monasteries. A fat king with a war against France to fund put paid to them. They said that about the Hagia Sophia. Now it’s a museum. They said that about the Roman Empire. Not much of that left anymore…
Hello ‘st phils 101′. Were you addressing me? If not, please forego the below. If so, you’re reply is impertinent. If non-Catholic taxpayers are paying for your bigotry it is surely you who needs, as you put it, to ‘get over yourself’. If you are either a pupil or, dreadful thought, a teacher at this institution, then I have to say your English Department should have a quiet word with you about the use of initial upper cases, but then, education isn’t, perhaps, the main thrust of a Catholic institution.
Whoops!, and there’s me giving you endless delight with an erroneous use of ‘you’re’ instead of ‘your’. I apologize. (Athiests can do that, you see) Still, you are quite entitled to laugh at my mistake; think of it as a divine intervention in my keyboard. Professor Richard Dawkins called that attitude the ‘God in the gaps’ attitude, and it’s a well documented defence used by supernaturalists.
Can the church hierarchy stoop any lower than coercing minors to endorse their bigoted opinions? And it is disgusting that this can happen in a state school.
I myself was disgusted in this assembly. From the first slide of the PowerPoint I knew this was going to be one of the worst assembly’s I’ve had. Our head teacher took the assembly and I can’t say any of us actually like her! I’m in year 8 and the assembly was for year 7-8(I think) and a separate one for KS4. We were told how it wasn’t right and it consisted of a letter she was sent from the bishop. We were told all about the catholic wires on this, and at the end she urged us to go home and sign this. But, she also told us that you had to be 16 to sign it. I’m glad some people feel the same as I do.
God forbid the gays preach their “infernal and immoral agernda” (i.e. how to treat gay people with respect and dignity) in a school, but its okay for the brainwashing of children to make them bigots…. nice. The Catholic Church really is a vile organisation.
Typical catholic church, they are not only molesting children – they are now using these children to spill anti-gay marriage propaganda to society. What a disgrace.
First of all we need to end tax exempt status to catholic churches, then we need to have a big national royal commission into child abuse within the catholic church and finally outlaw donations to the catholic churches.
First of all we need to end tax exempt status to catholic churches, then we need to have a big national royal commission into child abuse within the catholic church and finally outlaw donations to the catholic churches.
Yes Yes No
If we outlaw donations to them they will seem victimised. They should be classified as a hate group and treated with the same derision as the BNP. Not just because of their treatment of LGBT people the list of people they hate and abuse is far too long for them to be held in any regard.
In the USA the NOM group a bunch of cath and evan and mormon haters tried to get gay kids to rat out their parents.
I’m sure with a little video editing they would be able to turn “we love our gay parents” into “we hate gay parents.”
How low can they go – to the bowels of hell for new sick ideas. Maybe they are reading mein kampf. Trying desperately to deflect attention from their endless hidden child molestation.
I think your point about not daring to refuse to sign a pledge, is in essence the abuse of power which this school is desperate to exploit whiting or unwhitingly.
@toothbrush2000…
….i respectfully suggest you take a trip down to the library and find an Oxford English dictionary. All religion is most certainly a cult….viz… Cult noun … 1a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object: That is taken directly from the Oxford Dictionary. You obviously spent too much time being indoctrinated by Ratzi the Natz1′s bigoted rc cult
i’ll assure you that it is, i have close contacts with theschool in question. the woman with the unfortunate name is sending it into the oblivion that is the cocktail that bigotry and hatred provides. she’s awful.
‘ CLOSE CONTACT’…. so you dont actually know her then? well i do. Miss Noone is a very fair and woman who thrives for success from her pupils. Yes, she is strict but without her St philomenas would not be in order. She’s a lovely lady and equal views and for you to go about saying she is awful is highly predjudice. Imagine if you were her right now? How would you feel?.
Yes she is, I am a student there now, and I think this is disgusting behaviour. I was in the assembly with Ms Noone, and I was appalled by what she said.
Just sent her an email, doubt she’ll listen though they tend to follow their beliefs, regardless of logic and reason.
Dear Miss Noone,
I am utterly repulsed by your blatant abuse of power, to get kids aged 11 to sign an anti-equality petition which they will obviously not understand. I thought it was the gay agenda that was supposed to be brainwashing our kids, not the catholic church but then again knowing the catholic church I’m not even remotely surprised.
If you disagree with marriage equality, thats fine I will think of you as a bigot but I respect your right to hold differing views and I understand that someone who is not gay themselves will not necessarily understand the feeling of someone saying your relationship is second class, however to use kids who most likely don’t dare or don’t understand the debate enough to refuse is in my eyes (and many other peoples) pure evil.
If you disagree with marriage equality, thats fine I will think of you as a bigot but I respect your right to hold differing views and I understand that someone who is not gay themselves will not necessarily understand the feeling of someone saying your relationship is second class, however to use kids who most likely don’t dare or don’t understand the debate enough to refuse is in my eyes (and many other peoples) pure evil.
If you don’t like same sex marriage fine don’t marry someone who is the same sex as you, but your belief that you can deny my rights for no apparent reason is arrogant at best, tyrannical and fascist at worst.
I hope you rethink your position and remember Jesus taught us to love thou neighbour and to be the best person you can possibly be, at the moment you seem to be failing both of those teachings.
I would pray for you but I don’t believe in sky fairies, so I’ll just have to make do with hoping you can change.
I blame Gordon Brown for pandering to religious schools and giving them opt-outs its given them a false sense of importance and they think they are now above the law of the land.
how would you know? when one of our teachers was exposed as being a peadophile with a huge stash of kiddie porn none of us knew or expected it before. You never really know your teachers even if you think you do. Furthermore the teachers were banned from discussing it with pupils to try and keep us in the dark. Regional newspapers however made sure that everyone knew.
And you would know? Do you really believe none of them masturbate too, another behaviour condemned by your cult? You’re delusional if you would have us believe you are a pupil. Pathetic, just goes to prove how hypocritical you are. You can’t even be honest and have to pretend that you are something you really are not. Go to confession, receive absolution then do penance by committing the sin over and over again. You’re delusional and a fraud, just like the cult that has indoctrinated you.
I know people of faith might WISH to believe that their priests don’t do things such as molesting children, but some do and I know if I were a Catholic parent–or a member of other “liturgical faiths” such as Eastern Orthodox, I would be watching my children and any interactions with the priests very carefully.
Sadly after I left Catholicism I joined the Orthodox faith and I can say with no hesitation just about every monastic priest/spiritual father I ever had contact with turned out to be pedophiles (both admitted and those who didn’t admit it at the time but were later arrested/convicted.
Catholics and others need to wake up and not assume clergy are some lot of holy types who would never do anything considered “impure”. They are human beings and they run the whole gamut of humanity–from basically good sorts who really do try to be good lads, to flat out pedophiles.
your a disgrace, you dont even go here.
you dont know what goes on in our school, no ones been accused of raping anyone and that is not a reasonable question.
be quiet david
A Catholic school which is authorized by law to teach according to the ethos of its religion. If Katherin does not like it, she can withdraw from the school and go to stonewall’s school.
I hope the pupils who wish to challenge the bigotry and homophobia at this school have the courage to pursue this matter further, using the courts if necessary.
This abuse of children is outrageous.
Children should never be a tool in a political debate.
Since C4M has confirmed that the minimum age fo signing their hate petition is 16, then clearly this school’s head mistress should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Oh I can just hear the bigots chanting….”freedom of religion is being attacked”.
She and her cult have not been able to provide the evidence for their position on gender neutral civil marriage, so that alone is lying and promoting a lie and in turn, promoting discrimination. Why isn’t anyone demanding that they come forward with the proof? They’ve had long enough to gather reports from the ten governments that have legalised equal civil marriage surely? Weren’t they saying the same things when CPs were on the table? How many polygamous marriages have occurred in the UK since they were introduced? How many incestuous and bestial relationships have occurred since then?
We’re not a cult and nor should she be prosecuted against. Your opinions are based on secondary experience, whereas others like myself have seen both sides to the argument. Frankly, the way you are reacting proves that you just have a hate for Catholicism that you are now ramming down everyone’s throats.
We’re ramming stuff down your throat? My dear only if you ask nicely …
But seriously do you not see the ridiculousness of saying we’re ramming our beliefs down your throats on a story about a school brainwashing students to sign a petition to force society to follow there beliefs on a issue which has nothing to do with religion?
Its the stupidest comment on this entire thread, and I think Keiths on here somewhere so thats saying something.
Oh I’m sorry is 2000 girls who have been in that assembly not enough proof for you? This situation is bad enough right now. Action needs to be taken, and you’re no help
On the contrary, faith schools are breeding grounds for excellence and success as can be seen from Ofsted statistics. No surprise that they are always over subscribed.
If the gay marriage lobby is so concerned, they can open their own school.
But how do you explain faith schools producing an utter fool like you? You show very little learning in such a wide range of subjects, its embarrassing to watch you flounder like a dying fish in here. Surely you are a glowing produce of thise schools “par excellence”, no?
All the more reason to have little faith in the “so called” rigour of Faith Schools. The only thing they appear to excel, at is a rather embarrassing, and crude indoctrination of its students (what ever the age) into blatant bigotry
All religion does is create dumb beasts who are easy to control, exactly what the perpetual mendicant that is religion requires – put your money in the collection plate like a good little cretin.
Karl Marx was so right. Religion is the opiate of the people who for the most part, are damaged, frightened, insecure, sexually inadequate, repressed and just devoid of any semblance of humanity.
And yet the damaged, frightened, insecure, sexually inadequate, repressed and inhuman people seem to score high at ofsted reviews.
Has it occured that if the people at whom you are directing the long list of insults above are actually functional & happy in society then it might be that the reverse is true – that people with a different viewpoint to them might be damaged, frightened etc?
No – of course it hasn’t. Because that would conflict with your worldview and you wouldn’t have the right to stamp your feet and call people names anymore.
This shows that the RC Church will stop at nothing to get their anti-gay propaganda across. Surely any self-respecting gay/lesbian Catholic should either complain, get out, or do both.
Every year, Catholic schools along with other faith schools are over subscribed because of their very high standards.
These schools have been able to maintain these standards because they teach the RIGHT things to students.
Those who do not want their children to know about the dangers of homosexuality (as was again highlighted in the study by stonewall), should withdraw their children and put them in stonewall’s school.
Good one Ken. If this “teaching” is so effective, you wouldn’t have to resort to being on a gay site demonstrating your abject stupidity for all to laugh at, now, would you?
There’s a lot of self-hatred in self-loathing closet cases, religion is their refuge because the majority of it supports homophobia and justifies his raison d’etre.
Actually those apparent “high standards” are nothing of the sort. The only reason it SEEMS that faith schools have higher results is because they are allowed to be selective and reject poorer, less able and disadvantaged pupils while normal state schools cannot. When you take into account the fact that these schools are selective, they actually produce slightly WORSE results than average, by about 5% or so.
There is no excuse for teaching hateful bigotry to children. Though there is every reason to teach them critical thinking skills and hence inoculate them against the dangers of religion.
That proves nothing, simply that parents are willing to suspend their thought and send their child to a school not of the child’s choosing. There is no danger in homosexuality except in the minds of bigots such as yourself.
” faith schools are breeding grounds for excellence and success”
As a person involved in Professional dominatrix work, I can confirm factually that the majority of the male clients and I mean around 90% have been brought up in “faith schools” and the ones that need to be flogged and given lots of pain are the catholic ones.
Fetishes are created as children so excellence isn’t the only thing that gets achieved in Catholic schools. It also creates abusive patterns that shouldn’t have been put into a child in the first place.
Taxpayers should not be funding faith schools, fullstop, they are a cesspit of abuse, bullying and indoctrination.
Sorry, but this verges on abuse.
These kiddies are far too young to have an opinion – based on facts and experience – of their own.
Let children be children without putting them through this – some could easily be part of a gay family or have gay members within their family group.
I think the Governors of the school ought to take a very close look at this sort of indoctrination – after all, we are in the 21st century and nuns can’t hit you on the knuckles with rulers, nor can priests fondle the bottoms of little boys!
Yes it is abusive – and no secondary school children are NOT ‘too young to have an opinion’ – far from it..
But the purpose of secondary schools is to PROMOTE children having their OWN opinions – not forcing some archaic staff-led notion of what they ‘should’ be thinking…
Of course they’re not too young to have an opinion. But they’re too young for their opinions to be granted power, which is why we don’t let children of that age vote either.
Please stop calling it child abuse, guys – you are devaluing the very real abuse many children all over the world face daily. Unethical and a misuse of power, yes. Child abuse, no. Accuracy matters.
I am afftaid that your post belittles the mental abuse involved here maybe you only think abuse is physical? It isn’t!!!! And yes accuracy matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And anti- gay groups accuse us of recruiting and brainwashing the children… even if we wanted to (we don’t) we could never be as successful as the Christian church.
Email enquiries@ofsted.gov.uk to ask them to suspend all funding to this ‘faith school’ while an investgation takes place to see if the principle Miss M Noone has been abusing children (aged 11) in her care by forcing them to participate in bigotry.
This report states that the headmistress of St Philomena’s Catholic School for Girls Carshalton has been forcing pupils as young as 11 to sign anti-equality petitions as demanded by the catholic church.
This despite the fact that she knows full well that people under the age of 16 are not allowed to participate in such polls.
Please confirm that the headmistress of this school is to be suspended pending a police investigation to see if her behaviour constitutes child abuse.
Also please confirm that all state funding to this school is suspended pending the outcome of this police investigation?
I would just like to add that in the assembly miss noone said ‘if you are over the age of 16 and would like to sign the petition you may’. NO-ONE was FORCED, and it was made clear you must be 16. you weren’t there so stop using the word ‘forced’
And dumb children don’t understand that there is more to the concept of “force” than acts of physical coercion. You are being manipulated and you are too immature and inexperienced to know it. Now run along kiddy.
Hey, I actually go to this school, and can you not do that? This is the first time I’ve ever had any kind of opinion pushed onto me by St.Phils, and I actually love going here. We’ve always been encouraged to have our own opinions about things, until this isolated incident, and while I don’t agree with what they did, this is my education you’re messing with. There’s never been any bullying here, I love my teachers and I get a great education. You’re not ‘protecting’ us by doing this, you’re depriving us. Stop viewing this situation from one side, you’ve never been there, you’ve never talked to any of the students, and you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing.
If the school are usually encouraging of open mindedness and balance, as you state – then that makes this matter even worse (in my view) because they have deliberately chosen to demonise people due to their orientation.
This must be stopped. Homophobia is not acceptable.
It is the responsibility for catholic schools including st philomena’s to be informed of any actions within the catholic church. Even though the sixth form is of mixed faith, we still follow the catholic ethos. The head mistress discussed a letter with us from the archbishops which expressed the topic. When speaking with the lower years ageing from 11-15 year olds, they were told that they werent able to sign the petition, therefore they were NOT forced or even given the opportunity to sign the petition even if they agreed !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Passing a message to children that gay people are subhuman and grotesque (the exact word your Cardinal used) is inhumane, unscriptural and evil. It is emotional child abuse.
Okay so yes she did that and it was very wrong, but do you want to deprive me of my education? I think that’s a bit unfair. I’m against what she did to us too, but I go there and I’m not loosing my education.
Well they are teaching them correctly, teach according to the of the religion, and giving them the choice of it they want to sign or not, nothing wrong with that. Age should not restrict someone from signin a petition.
More histeria within the homosexual community against people who dont agree with them.
Aiden knows all about hysteria especially when someone points out that he is a self hating closet case. How very dare you! Me Gay dear, no dear. He’s just like that other creature Skinnner who comes on this site to be as unpleasant and to provoke reactions. He then copies them onto his fundamentalist pals websites to ‘prove’ how awful a bunch we gays are. Skinner brags about how many times he has been banned from the site. What a pair of tossers? Aiden the wanker and Skinner the madman.
Typical of Aiden to support an organisation that abuses children sexually, physically and mentally, and then covers it up…. well done Aiden, you’re a travesty of a human, most couldn’t sink that low if they tried.
The Catholic Church has ALWAYS manipulated children, like other religions and worse. My father was terrorised by ideas of Hell as a child during his RC upbringing. They have gotten a bit more subtle in recent times (except re. actual sexual abuse), so this is a bit blatant. Frankly, tax-payer funded religious schools should be abolished. ASAP.
@Barry further up – Yes it is abusive – and no secondary school children are NOT ‘too young to have an opinion’ – far from it..
But the purpose of secondary schools is to PROMOTE children having their OWN opinions – not forcing some archaic staff-led notion of what they ‘should’ be thinking…
Thank GOD (quite literally!) that members of the 6th Form have enough brain capacity, empathy & balls to stand up to the overbearing staff and the ungodly Catholic Church!
There is hope yet!
I suggest the 6th Formers start a ‘Everyone is Equal’ campaign and spread the word throughout the school.
I also think they should take up the matter of under-age signatures being sought and force the law to cancel the petition.
Given that the majority of cases were male priests on FEMALE children, no, it wouldn’t. Go and read the Ryan report or any of the other investigations into catholic cult vileness. And if you need to have the difference between “homosexual” and “paedophile” explained to you, then you’re even more of a drooling moron than we all thought.
Hmm, thorough independent enquiry that took many years to compile on the one hand, bleatings of a psychotic internet troll on the other. Which to place more trust in? Oh, this is a tricky one…
It sounds like a wholly inappropriate thing for the Vatican to do, involving children like that. The sixth formers sound ok, it seems to have had the opposite effect to that intended, but it’s still an abuse of trust by the Church. Sometimes it seems like the Vatican has declared war on the whole British ( and Irish, for different reasons) people.
I’ve stopped telling my partner about these stories, as the homophobia upsets him too much.
This is just more proof that religious schools cannot be trusted on this issue. I will again be raising this with my MP. If we are to keep paying for these schools standard training should be given to every school, delivered by approved training organisations from outside of the school system.
I go to Saint Philomena’s, and am a 15 year old who was shown this presentation. I cannot even begin to explain how disgusting it was. We were even asked so say a prayer about it afterwards. Needless to say, the majority of the school hall sat in silence with their arms folded. I’m truly embarrased to associate myself with this excuse for a school and sham of a religion.
Dora, perhaps you and a group of your fellow pupils would like to contact the British Humanist Association which Craig Denney has kindly provided a link to further down. I strongly urge you to do it.
Your first instinct should always be to question everything and seek the truth. Religion really doesn’t want you to do either of those things.
Remember this – there never has been one single piece of evidence given that marriage equality affects anyone else’s marriage in any way. And marriage in the UK is a mechanism of civil law – the ceremonial aspect is only of relevance to the participants. To have some people have legal protection, and have it denied to others because of an innate and immutable personal characteristic is just wrong. It is discrimination. And that’s not who we should be in the UK.
Like some of the other ‘students’ posting on ear, your language and attitde does not reflect that of a schoolgirl. You re just tryig to back to charholic church. Please leave this forum alone unless you will tell the truth.
miss noone? You’re a male pretending to be a female. Do you really believe we’re that gullible. You don’t appear to be too bright either. It’s quite apparent your parents didn’t teach you any manners either telling people to shutup.
we gain some of the best A level results in the whole country; how can our language be “too superior”. Sorry for being taught how to form a sentence properly.
I’m 19, and I don’t go to that school however I find it quite offensive that you can say being 18 means you have to talk like a cretin.
Age is only related to intellect while you are very young, I was very verbal from an early age and have always been able to string a proper sentence together thank you very much.
Are you serious? Did you not realise that our school is one of the top comprehensives in the country and the majority of our teacher’s have graduated from very highly regarded Universities. My English teacher in fact graduated from Oxford. So sit down and do your research before pointing any fingers you imbecile.
In some ways this stunt might have been a positive thing. If the catholic cult wasn’t making so plainly obvious how bigoted, out of touch and immoral it was then many of the students at this school might have gone on to consider it in some way benign or harmless. Trust me, the decline and death of catholicism won’t come from without, but from the disgust and revulsion felt by those within. Things like this just stoke the fires and speed the end for them. It can’t come soon enough.
Hi Dora – Hope you’re ok. I’m a reporter at the BBC looking at covering this story. Could you please give me a call on 07748 328 696…? In confidence. Or you can email me tom.bateman@bbc.co.uk
That’s why they refused a PN correspondent asking them to provide details of their methodology to collect signatures. Comres.co.uk who conducted the petition on their behalf refused to comment.
Correction typo.
It’s interesting as it is slowly revealed exactly how they achieved such a lot of signatures, the C4M petition is suspect on so many levels
If children are signing this petition then it means nothing they can say they have had so many sigh it but in reality only 10% signed their pertition, the others were forced to sign it or under age
Since the abolition of clause 28, Stephen Twigg as a former Labour Schools Minister promoted LGBT week into the school curriculum, so why can’t Catholic schools be allowed to circulate a letter penned by the Archbishops of Westminster and Southwark, who are their spiritual leaders, in favour of traditional marriage.
FYI, CIVIL marriage is NOT traditional marriage. It’s only been in existence in the UK since the 19th century to allow divorced heterosexuals to marry as many times as they wish and for those who are of other faiths or none. As long as catholic schools receive government funding courtesy of British taxpayers including Gay taxpayers. They have absolutely NO right to meddle in what is purely a civil matter and does not affect the ability of the roman church to continue marrying heterosexual couples of their persuasion. By default, they are promoting discrimination of and targeting gay people to justify their religious beliefs. Civil and religious are two totally different components. So stop acting the apologist for bigotry.
Nobody said there was and it’s not the point of the argument either. Civil marriage is NOT traditional marriage, so get over it. I don’t think religious bigots would welcome our meddling in their business by calling for a ban on religious marriage would they? We’re much better than they are and behaving in a far more ‘christian’ manner than they are. We’re not trying to deny them their right to believe what they want to believe. Just don’t cram it down everybody else’s throat that the religious way is the only way and to hell with the rest of the country.
From the perspective of a pupil that quite reluctantly goes to this school I can reassure you all that when asked the question of what a marriage actually was a Year 11 student shouted out with no trace of fear “Two people that love each other.” I express with the utmost proudness that even if the presentation had very minor impacts of the younger years (which is questionable seeing as there is already 1 openly gay child aged 12) that the older years were not sucked into this ideal that homosexual union through marriage should be identified as wrong. Most of us were in fact repulsed and felt no obligation to humour any of the teaching faculty who were for involved. It was a huge tear in the already fragile seams of trust and respect between the pupils in the school, and with this I hope that action is taken because it’s quite simply WRONG.
This is good to hear and for any students of the school reading this, please know that you do not have to put up with this sort of thing and you have lots of support!
i will happily get in contact with c4. considering i study theology, and have studied the topic of homosexuality (unbiasedly i should add before you all hasten to spit words at me) and therefore, my opinions are that of understanding on both sides.
Unfortunately having experienced RC schooling myself until the age of 18, and then studied my first degree and masters at a university that GENUINELY encouraged free thought and learning (rather than the poor pretense at free thought that the RC school system claims) – I have had sufficient time to reflect on the attempts to indoctrinate myself and my fellow pupils. I did not see the harm that the school caused me until much later.
I work in an education psychology service. I have had cause to work with numerous pupils who have gone to RC schools and many of them are suffering from being told their views whether on orientation or other issues are wrong, and it has caused them much harm.
Its subtle, pervasive and continual abuse. Its not just one school (in my experience).
This action by the Catholic Education Service is absolutely outrageous. Not only might this break equalities legislation, it also breaks laws against political partisanship. If any pupil at one of the schools concerned is interested in taking a legal case forward on this, we urge them to get in touch with us at the British Humanist Association http://www.humanism.org.uk/contact
For your information, not only males were abused by catholic clergy but also females, many of them including adult females. The Vatican commissioned the John Jay Institute to conduct an investigation It’s findings revealed that homosexuality wasn’t the primary factor, but the mere availability of boys than girls to the clergy. Paedophilia statistics in America according to the U.S. Government reveal that a far higher percentage of this crime occurs among heterosexual males and to a lesser extent, females.
Paedophilia, pederasty and ephebophilia in the catholic church aren’t a recent phenomenon. All have existed for almost two millenia including abuse of women and so it continues. Rent yourself a copy of the Magdelene Sisters and see for yourself.
Stop trying to imply that paedophilia is an uniquely homosexual aberration, it isn’t and never has been. The majority of sex crimes in general are committed by heterosexuals against children and women. How many males, children or adults, have been raped in the UK compared to females?
We all know you enjoy living in your own (closeted repressed homosexual(ite)) fantasy world, but just so you know the facts.The majority of murderers, rapists, child abusers, drug dealers, and convicted criminals of all nature are heterosexual men – go in any prison and take a survey of the inmates sexuality if you don’t believe me. But you being a wanna be heterosexual, you ignore that fact.
This is completely irrelavent. It doesn’t matter who commits crimes the most, it matters that some pupil has made up complete lies and has caused all this ,and people should really do their research before coming on here and directing hate at st. Philomenas.
I think you will find they are who they say, not only that but the information on here is incorrect, no child was forced into signing anything. My daughter is in year 7 and did not have this presentation. It was for the 6th form, to sign if they wish. The girl who made the report is obviously after her 5 minutes of fame !!
It seems the people on here are the one’s with issues, because they can’t believe that the information could be wrong , everyone is so wrapped up in hate. I am proud for my daughter to go to such a caring and well taught school, most of you on here will not have seen the school, let alone know how it’s run.
i must agree with you. My daughter is in yr12 and knows the young lady in question. I have met her on several ocassions and I am sorry to say that she is very much an attention seeker. She has blown the whole thing out of proportion. The upper years were shown the presentation and told that there was a petition should anyone wish to sign it. No more than that! my daughter is appaled that the school is now being dragged through this “debate” especially with A level exams on the horizion. This is after all, a Catholic school. I do not agree with the bigotry of the Vatican, however if our daughters are raised to be Liberal, caring and compassionate individuals, they will make the right decions in life.
All schools have to abide by the law. The suggestion is that this school breached the rules. It doesn’t matter what years saw the presentation or how much or little they were encouraged to sign the petition, as Dr Guthrie says above, it shouldn’t have been mentioned in school at all.
Wrapped up in hate? Really. What do you think the C4M petition is then? It’s a political statement aimed at subverting the government from doing its business, to legislate equality laws. Comparing equal marriage for having the potential to a demand for polygamous and incestuous relationships is nothing more than hatred and homophobia. What part of that don’t you get? Oh I forgot, NOTHING. I doubt the veracity of your statement and that you are a parent of 7 year old. You’re just lying (catholics do lie you know) to justify your statement.
And I suppose you have the evidence for that? How do you know the pupil concocted the lies? You’re nothing but an apologist for catholic bigotry, masters of it.
Heterosexuals have a far higher rate of paedophilia and sex crimes PER CAPITA than homosexuals, regardless of proportion. “Homsexualite”? What kind of an education did you receive? There is no such word. Provide the factual evidence. HIV infection is now overwhelmingly an heterosexual transmitted virus in Africa and other developing nations. If you disagree, take it up with the W.H.O. and provide them with your statistics.
Suffer failed relationships? Provide the factual evidence for that too. Last time I checked, heterosexual marriages, roughly 50% end in failure. There are millions of heterosexual couples living together, raising children and aren’t married and millions of unmarried mothers around the world. Succesful relationships? You’re an idiot!
Yeah, what is this “failed relationship” nonsense. My husband and I have been togher almost six years, married for five and we are still very happy together and deeply in love. I am sure there are many other same sex couples that can claim similarly, and even more years together.
I do wish they would use different forum software.
My response was to Merlyn
“Yeah, what is this “failed relationship” nonsense. My husband and I have been togher almost six years, married for five and we are still very happy together and deeply in love. I am sure there are many other same sex couples that can claim similarly, and even more years together.”
Also, the only impact I could say has been accomplished in the eyes of the school is that I know many LGBTQ students who are perhaps more fearful towards the repercussions of any revelation of just how many people at this school are exactly what the presentation made seem so vile and wrong.
Maybe we should all sign a petition banning the catholic church from having access to children full stop given that their members tolerated and carried out the rapes of a number of them for years without redress?
I go to this school and was in the assembly myself and think this has been taken too far, there was a short powerpoint presentation about the catholic definition of marriage and then it was mentioned that it was optional to sign the petition, but never made obligatory. To cut school funding or take this to court would just be irrational, this has been over-exaggerated
I doubt very much if you went to this school. You’re pretending to be a pupil to deflect criticism of the catholic church. So transparent. What would a pupil know about powerpoint? The use of language is that of an adult.
I’m sorry you’re accusing me of lying? I am a year eleven pupil at st phils in carshalton and have been for five years. I am sorry if my use of language is too sophisticated but I happen to have had a good education in a good catholic school. ‘what would a pupil know?’ You undermine young people, I can tell you exactly what happened at that assembly because I was there thursday morning of last week so get your facts straight. I don’t agree with indoctrinating young people with views such as those being mentioned but I know BECAUSE I WAS THERE that it was nothing like it is being described
You’re delusional and a liar. Prove you were there. Give us the phone number of your school and your real name, age and home address? We will call Ms. Noone to verify you are pupil? There are NO pupils posting on this site. You can’t take the heat which explains why you are here.
No, but I do think you are an ignorant and easily manipulated child who is being coerced by tradition and probably parental expectation to believe in fairy stories and lies.
Of course, as a woman myself I am always amazed by who women embrace the catholic church – don’t you know they think you are nothing but a dumb beast who is only good for whelping children than they can exploit? You have no voice, you have no power, you are lower than a footstool in that faith and that you embrace it so vigorously makes you nothing but Quislings.
Gavin this story has been picked up by the Guardian it is on there front page and they have a link to this site in their article, since the story was a PN exclusive.
I don’t know how old you are Robert but most of my sodding school lessons were on powerpoint and a lot of subjects require you to design your own powerpoint presentations to bore everyone to tears with, which is a colossal waste of time especially when the school computers are a bag of sh¡te.
I’m willing to bet there are many unfortunate primary school children who are familiar with powerpoint also. If the comments about are right and these children have been “indoctrinated” by their school and church, it’s completely logical that they would defend said school/church online.
I often shocked how out of touch people are with younger people on this board but the way some of you talk about these kids like they are incapable of being horrible little homophobic sh¡ts or having their own twisted little opinions is really bizarre to me.
I was raised Catholic but by the age of 11 I had long since realised it was a load of bs despite what I’d learnt from Catholic school and my grandparents.
What would a pupil know about powerpoint? I was making powerpoint presentations in yr 7. I have no idea if these are real students but your reasoning for them not being is ridiculous to say the least.
I used to teach at St Philomena’s an can assure you that every girl in this school is fully aware of what a PowerPoint presentation is and are mature enough and media savvy enough to voice their strong, and well informed opinions in a forum like this
Overlooking the glaringly obviously hatefulness and bigotry I think this highlights another issue of faith run state schools. Why should tax payer’s money be used to pay (very literally) for children to be taught hate? Personally, the idea that the money from the taxes I pay goes towards the salary of the headmistress of this school is vile. I do not agree with faith schools in general but I have far fewer problems with them if they are private.
and this is not the place to be talking about rape by Catholic priests or whatever because that’s irrelevant, of course none of the priests at our school are rapists just because we had an assembly on gay marriage….
Ahhh…the classic catholic response of sticking your head in the sand and pretending nothing bad every happens.
Your capacity for dishonesty dismays me. I couldn’t sleep at night knowing that the Vatican not only sits on enough wealth and property to save millions of lives, but part of that grotesque wealth (that YOU chip in to whenever you reach in to your pocket) is set aside to pay off victims or purchase silence.
The horrific cover-up of child rape by the very priesthood to which those nasty men belong should be ringing alarm bells at the very least. It shows that the catholic hierarchs have absolutely no moral authority whatsoever, In fact they have NEGATIVE moral authority, and letting them lecture anyone on sexual morality is a sick joke.
The very presence of priests in your school shows that it is deeply morally compromised. Would you invite Enron executives to give an assembly on corporate ethics? Would you invite Rupert Murdoch to give an assembly on media ethics? Would you invite Gary Glitter’s associates to give an assembly on marriage?
That thestudentroom.co.uk forum site always seems to have a lot of anti-gay propaganda threads as well.
I’ve read a few of them and I’m surprised that they would be written by “students”. I’m sure this forum website is being used to promote anti-gay feeling.
Also there’s a tes website which always comes up with threads on gay mariage. Strange for teachers to be so obsessed with the topic.
Talk about indoctrination. Don’t care if it’s faith or not, shoving your own bigoted opinions on innocent kids is totally wrong. It’s how the next generation of bigots gets created; they get it from the adults.
I am a 16 year old girl who attends St Philomena’s catholic high school for girls. Can i just firstly state that this has been highly exaggerated when the assembly was very basic and un-biased. In the assembly last week we were reminded of the importance of marraige in the roman catholic church. For all you uneducated atheists out there, we believe that marraige is when a Man and Woman become united as 1. We are also against discrimination of anykind. Going to Catholic schools has taught me that most of the pupils have a liberal perspective of the bible. This therefore means that yes we believe in the word of God but NO we do not listen to everything the archbishops of the head of the church tells us. Therefore. many of us CHOSE wisely not to sign the petition. There was no force inflicted upon us to sign the petition. In the assembly the words ‘anti-gay’ were not said once. infact all Miss Noone was saying was the letter the archbishop had asked her to read. Threatening to report our school for child abuse is HIGHLY unnecessary as infact ‘child abuse’ isnt the correct words for showing a presentation on marraige. If anyone should be punished it should be the girl who reported to pink news. she has blown this out of control and exaggerated or may i say lied a hell of a lot.
Funny how the two responses have the curious appalling lack of ability to capitalise and words? LOL! Oh, all the “different” people commenting here, its overwhelming! :)
Ah, the desperate religious. Lies, cheating, and dishonesty:- all good honest catholic traits.
I am glad that you chose not to sign the petition. However, I fail to see how the girl should be punished for going to the press because she felt that was the school was doing was discriminatory towards her.
That aside, Christians and Catholics rarely do everything the bible tells them. Like muslims, we’re not supposed to come into contact with pig, we’re not supposed to eat shellfish, we’re not supposed “step on the altar of god” if we have poor eyesight. We allow blind people to get married in a church, why not a gay man or a lesbian? I suggest looking at this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp
Finally, you mention the word of God. The only holy book of the Abrahamic religions which is reputed to be the word of God is the Qu’ran. If you ever visit the Vatican, you are told that it was Mary was not a virgin when Jesus was conceived – this was a story added by the then pope centuries later. The bible as we know it is papal dogma and the pope admits it.
sorry where did i mention that i wanted a lecture of the Roman Catholic teachings? we believe in Papal infalabilty that everything the pope says is true, other religions are irrelevant to this comment anyhow. dont bring up the gay rights subject with me? im simply just a pupil stating what actually happened in our assembly. The girl should be punished because she lied, what she said did not happen.
It seems to me you are blinded by your indoctrination.
If the Pope says it is true, then it is.
If the Pope told you that the presentation had never happened would you believe him?
The infallability rubbish blinds and blinkers many to reality.
The girl who supplied the information to the media should be congratulated for her moral courage, and I hope she takes up the offer that is being made for financing of legal action against the school for their breaches of various laws including Equality legislation.
It is shocking that school pupils have been so indoctrinated and abused of their free self determination that what the senior teaching staff of a religious based school say is Gospel – even if its morally repugnant and offensive.
If you believe everything the pope says to be true I assume you believe condoms give you HIV? Cos on his tour of africa he was well known for spouting this nonsense. No-one is infallible and no-one is beyond criticism.
You shouldn’t pretend to speak for anyone but yourself. In fact the majority of Catholics in the UK support marriage equality. You should realise that a great many others do not believe as you do.
You say you do not discriminate. But what you are saying is that the relationships of same-sex couples, no matter how faithful, committed and loving, can never be equal to heterosexual relationships, no matter how abusive, adulterous or dysfunctional. And for a teacher to use her authority over others present such views in a one sided way to people who have had little life experience, is a scandal. Were you given the other side of the story in that assembly? What right do you have at all to dictate the terms of other people’s relationships? Why are you not campaigning against marriages of divorcees? Where is your consistency?
I an 13 years old and am in the year 9 of st phils. Don’t get worried about kids beleaving all the crap mrs noon (headteacher) said about gays because as soon as everyone got out of the assembily, we were all talking about how out or order it was and how gays should have equal rights. The thing i don’t understand is how we can have gay teachers in the school, and then the head can turn around and be so homophobic.
The presentation started with mrs noon talking about how the govournment was going to change the name of a gay “civil partnership” to “marrage”. At thet point, i was thinking how nice it was and that it was great that the world was finally accepting gays. Then she showed us the video of the bishop talking about “preserving the true defenition of marrage” and i almost got up and punched her in the face. EVEN I CAN SEE THIS IS WRONG!!!
no you did not. Sit down and stop making up lies. At least learn how to spell Miss Noone before you pre-judge. Why do you hold such an evil grudge against Miss Noone? its her job, she was asked to and as we know she is a devout catholic who has to serve her duty, she did not at one point say she was anti-gay or against the idea of gay marraige, she reminded us that is our faith to marry a man and to procreate. now go to bed.
Whereas “you dont need to know my name” tells a tale, that may have occurred, but is biased, indoctrinated and deviant. It celebrates the abuse of children and fails to recognise self determination of morality and choice. It also demands inequality and prejudice.
I would say with you is that you hear what you want to hear from “you dont need to know my name” and not from person.
The grammar and language ability (or not) do not tell the ability of an individual to recognise morality, not of the ability to see beyond indoctrination.
You are a hate monger, Ken and of course you will use ever bluff and bluster in your tool box to perpetuate that hatred because you are evil.
you dont like to hear my story because im 16 and opinionated whereas ‘person’ is 13 and uneducated about the Gay topic within catholisism. And you dont like to hear my story because you’re a biased arsehole who has nothing better to do than be a procrastinating douche.
I compared your spellings and grammar to the student that commented just before you did and it immediately became obvious that you must be a truant and an unserious student. No wonder you support gay ‘marriage’ – a word you don’t even know how to spell.
two letters out of line, oh cry me a river. What do you get out of this Ken? you have no proof of my beliefs, so stop being critical. We are students at the end of the day, no move before we report you for child abuse, a paedophile perhaps? mmm thought so.
sorry i think there is an ‘I’ before was you uneducated old man. I think its you who needs to be reading books and teaching yourself of the importance of staying out of different denomination beliefs :) Good day.
“Don’t get too excited. I was talking to you. Was addressing the comment by ‘person’. Now run along and read your books.”
Yeah, the bible is a great book for giggles and stuff. Harry Potter is slight more up to date, but equally as fictitious.
And Ken, really? Moaning about another intelligence when you have intrepidly demonstrated suck a lack of any schooling or education? You’re obvious unemployed….
“person”, shut yah face!! The assembly may have been misinterpreted as “anti-gay”, but it just told you what your religion teaches you- that marriage is between man and woman, and the reason is love and purpose is to pro-create if you are so disgusted by this then leave the school. I’m not saying that your religion means you have to sign the petition or agree with everything it teaches but you have to accept that a catholic school will teach you the catholic religion.
That’s a matter of opinoin, I attend the school, and I tell you now, it is a lovely place which teaches good values and a good education. The fact that you try to debate by correcting a childs grammar, makes you pathetic and immature, looks like you need to go back to school.
If you consider the extremely out-dated and fundamentalist approach of catholicism in the assembly to be morally correct then by all means hold your own views, however it remains that the school may have broken laws against political partisanship. It is widely known that the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject in the school is forbidden and Miss Noone is most certainly not oblivious to that. Yes we do have to accept that a catholic school will teach the catholic religion, but not impose political views on its pupils. How about you do your research and familiarise yourself with the Education Act, then come back and get your facts right.
Exclusive: Catholic school ‘urged pupils as young as 11 to sign anti-gay marriage petition’
Hmmm. St Philomena’s is a state school under Croydon Council and so it’s fair to say that Croydon council tax payers have funded that little diatribe of hate.
Know any Croydon residents who might want to officially express their disgust?
Stonewall: “if you don’t want gay marriage then don’t have one.
Ken: ” If you don’t like to receive lessons against homosexuality, then don’t go to a Catholic school!
Joss: If you want public funding then don’t preach hatred and lies to children
Stu: If you want public funding in a school, the show balance in teaching and be prepared to respond to reasonable questions from pupils not dictate to them how they should formulate their own ethical judgements.
Does a child choose their school? No
So, Kens argument is false? As per usual.
Stu: “Does a child choose their school?”
Ken: No. Their parents do and their parents choose Catholic schools because they know it is best for their children.
By the way, are you aware that faith schools are always over subscribed?
“By the way, are you aware that faith schools are always over subscribed?”
Because there are fewer and fewer of them to accommodate the dwindling amount of parents who are daft enough to want their child thought by paedophiles and superstitious and bigoted idiots like you Ken.
Ken
The point is that whoever chooses the school – its not the children. They are a captive audience. They have no choice about being there. Thus grotesque immoral doctrination such as this has no place in a modern society which values humanity.
Not that Ken would understand humane, since he sides with those who support Christian terrorism.
@will, unfortunately there are more faith schools with government funding and these numbers continue to grow.
@Ken It’s the parents who choose the school, not the children. So your suggestion ” If you don’t like to receive lessons against homosexuality, then don’t go to a Catholic school” doesn’t make sense.
Thank you. I didn’t understand that myself. These kids are a captive audience. I know when I was young and my parents sent me to a faith school, I had NO say in the matter whatsoever.
Neither did I. We were taught that only catholics went to heaven. With that, my parents took me out of the school as did many others. Pure evil!
Definite parallels to Hitler’s recruitment and exploitation of youth. Possibly more evidence that the vatican was involved in that movement too!
It most certainly was because Pope Pius XII didn’t want to “rock the boat” for fear of reprisals against catholics. Evil incarnate but then so was the catholic, Herr Hitler.
Hitler? really? Having also studied Hitler for my year 12 history course (and gaining an A may i add), i am a lot more educated on both sides of the argument on these matters and feel your comments are beyond ridiculous.
Year13
Perhaps you should gain some understanding in how you assess differences in knowledge.
Firstly, in order to compare you need to know your level of knowledge (which you clearly do). However, you must ALSO know the level of knowledge of the person you seek to compare yourself too. Ideally, you also need some level of reasonable comparison e.g. test, education results etc.
Now, I presume you do not know Roberts level of qualifications in terms of history. Do you?
Do you know whether or not Robert has a PhD in modern German history specialising in 1920-1950?
If he does, and I don’t know, then I would argue this demonstrates a higher level of understanding that a year 12 history course.
Here is a report from Feb 2009:
“The mists of history swirl around Pope Benedict XVI’s hometown in the foothills of the Bavarian Alps in Germany.
It was there that he came of age as Joseph Ratzinger and served in H tler Youth during the rise of the Third Reich.
Shining a light on that history offers a glimpse of the context underpinning the Vatican’s current crisis, which results from the pope’s decision last month to rescind the excommunication of a renegade, ultra-conservative bishop who actively denies the Holocaust.
The decision unleashed a firestorm of controversy, with the German government weighing in last week, Israel’s chief rabbinate severing ties with the Vatican, and Catholics and Jews worldwide feeling that decades of hard work and goodwill in improving relations between the two faiths had been undermined.”
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/worldview/090209/analysis-the-pope-and-hitler-youth
So, there are no links, year 13?
What can one expect? The Vatican cult leader was a former Hitler youth member. End of.
He joined the church in order to escape prosecution after the war…..
Ken: If schools are flouting guidance on equalities from OFSTED, make a formal complaint.
omg the name <3 i bet i can guess who this teacher is ;)
Sister Mary Clarence
I think Ken would encourage the school to flout guidance on equalities.
I think the religious nature of the school a child goes to is often a decision made by the parents not the child.
This is yet another reason why religiously “aided” schools should be abolished and either turned into fully private schools or state schools. If not ban all religious schools full stop.
Well it is not exactly their choice, is it? These little girls will have been sent there by their parents, choosing the school when rhe girls were 10 years old.
How many of these sexuall oppressed children will grow up to be the next generation of Cathiolic priest child molesters? How many of these Catholic children will become bullies and end up in prison for comitting hate crimes as a result of the hate teachings and discrimination and persecution of gays today? How many of these children are really gay? This is the proof that the Catholc Church is teaching hate today in the world. They are no longer he religious leaders they pretent to be when it is plan to see that they are in the business of evil and harming others who love each other and want to get married. By the way that is what the Catholic priest need to do today to stop them from raping children, let them get married.
Did you see a recent article – I think it was in Irish central, where IL Papa with his narrow mustache whined and said never never re priests marrying
But he’s so desperate for priests – eg 70k in the USA down now to about 40K, that he started a separate episcopate for married old duddies from the episcopal church who want to join his hate parade.
hey smart arse, how are you gonna get catholic priests out of an all girls school. Also not once was there any talk of hatred of gay’s in our assembly, it was simply a description of what the catholic church says on the matter and also a slide with a link to a petition against gay marriage. The catholic church has not walked down the streets and preached to the world their opinions of gay marriage but only told followers, girls that go to a catholic school and those who attend mass at church. So leave pettiness out of this and come up with a decent argument.
i bet that is Mr Hordley…. ^ LEGEND.
we can grow up to be preist molesters because we are girls, you twat. LEARN YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU INITIATE AN ARGUMENT.
cant grow up* sorry.
Yes, I’d learn to write basic English before you hurl insults about “facts”, you stupid cow.
Now you just look mentally retarded.
well none as we’re all female and can’t become priests.
And what does that tell you about the beloved Catholic Cult.
the master of Frankensteins castle in Rome also unexcommunicated a holocaust denier , Bishop Williamson, in 2009
RATZInger grew up in his native germany in the 1930s when the ultimate tragedy of the jews, courtesy of the hate of the church over a millenia was unfolding
And it wasnt just the Jews, it was the gays of germany also.
if there was a god, the vatican would have long ago discovered the hard way it was sitting on top of Vesuvius II.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/europe/25pope.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
And the vaticans talk about protecting life is just another of its horrible scams. A.Hitxxx, born and baptised catholic in Austria in 1888, also went to catholic schools. Go look on the web and you’ll see he has yet to be “explicitly EXcommunicated”
the catholic and some evangelical churches are the Islam of the west.
http://answeringchristian.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/vatican-confirms-report-of-sexual-abuse-and-rape-of-nuns-by-priests-in-23-countries/
St. Philomena’s is a state school under Sutton not Croydon council, and all that has been funded is a very good education with a catholic ethos.
Although this incident proves that it is failing to provide appropriate education.
matthew wright is a croydonian
Jason Gardiner?
our school is in sutton
listen yea, we are not under croydon council, get it right.
we are located in the sutton borough in CARSHALTON.
and also im a croydon resident, i am not disgusted and st philomena’s is a catholic school
Actually it’s not Croydon but Sutton, and it’s a school which does well academically so quite a few non-Catholic parents try to squeeze their girls in there if they don’t make it to one of Sutton’s super-selective Grammar schools!
I am in fact a Sutton council tax payer and I have already expressed my disgust in the strongest possible terms, and I’m sure the rest of my family and many neighbours will do the same. However, St Phil’s might well be on the way to becoming an Academy, in which case they will be able to do whatever they want no matter what the LA says.
More vile Catholic bigotry. again, what angers me is not that it is done but there are some members of the gay community who support this backward and evil religion.
The picture is a bit more complex than that. Doubtless you did not see the articles about the American Catholic radical feminist nuns who have defied the Vatican by continuing their emphasis on helping the poor instead of banging on about same-sex marriage and contraception. Not to mention the many Catholics who agree with the nuns. http://theweek.com/article/index/227031/the-vaticans-crackdown-on-radical-feminist-nuns
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I personally would leave any religion that was not liberal and inclusive; but some have argued that if everyone did that, then the power structures would be left in the hands of the bigots. So some people opt to work for change from within. I wonder if this is possible with the entrenched conservatism of the Catholic Church, but it has made some progress, when you consider its appalling record in the past.
“I personally would leave any religion that was not liberal and inclusive; but some have argued that if everyone did that, then the power structures would be left in the hands of the bigots.”
And if the bigots are truly in minority as these religious people claim, then they would surely quickly die out or become so small they are irrelevant.
The best way to change the catholic church is to leave them since they are a money making industry, they will sh¡t themselves when they lose the revenue.
fat chance. RATZInger has effectively run the church for 20+ years and filled the curia with likeminded bigots.
Get out and join the 3rd largest denomination, at least in the USA – 10 million EX catholics
Or they can go Pagan. I know many ex-Christians who did because of what is written in the scriptures and because they were simply tired of being GLBT in a church that doesn’t want them.
The Episcopalians in the states are basically good guys and I attend mostly because I respect the teachings of Jesus as opposed to those of most of his followers.
Right. So a faith school can teach bigotry so long as they don’t practice it on their own? Bit like being a non-practicing non-heterosexual then? A certain twisted consistency.
Isn’t there a minimum age requirement to sing petitions of this nature? I hope an investigation ensues as to the legality of this.
Hello Robert. Completely agree with you, though the typo about singing petitions was distracting. Rather good, actually!
my sister is in year 8 & i am in year 13; those in sixth form were “encouraged” (note the word, encouraged and not forced) to sign it and yet, i don’t know one person who did. Furthermore, my sister and her year group were not told to sign it, they were told to tell their parents about it as they understood the legal requirements of signing a petition. I don’t think the headteacher of one of the best schools in the country would have been so naive as to expect 12 year olds to sign it?
They were encouraged to sign something which decries fellow humans as subhuman?
Brainwashing and indoctrination!
Breach of the equalities measures that OfSted and UK civil legislation requires.
Morally wrong.
did you not just read what i said? dear, oh dear.
Year13
Did you or did you not state that (and I quote) “those in sixth form were “encouraged” [to sign]“?
It appears you did not read Benjamins point.
Any encouragement is brainwashing and indoctrination no matter how you try and spin it.
“I don’t think the headteacher of one of the best schools in the country would have been so naive as to expect 12 year olds to sign it” (sic)
The Catholic religion believes a child of 12 can give its very SOUL away, in Communion, (the Catholic Industry is in full flight with it here in Spain right now, selling the clothes) and if you are a believer, that is surely the greatest thing of all, so don’t be so disingenuous as to say that the head teacher would be above encouraging a twelve-year-old to sign a mere earthly petition!
Hi I go to that school and I’m in year 8, we were told thT you have to be 16 to sign it, then told we should!!
Shut up!! i go to the same school, but no one got forced to sign it.. if anyone wants to take it out on something about the petition ..go nd talk about it to the bishop who sent the letter
Lou
Thanks for your bravery and willingness to be honest about the wrong things that have been done at your school.
The most obscene phrase in this whole article is surely “catholic state schools’. And well done Katherine and the pupils brave enough to support her.
we’ve been going since the 18th century, get over yourself, nothing will defeat us.
Watch this space. There is a growing sense of horror in society about the damage that religions do. There is a call for the separation of church and state – and that includes no state funding for religious schooling. It will happen, it may take some time. Your indoctrination may blind you to the facts. Your days are numbered.
Really? I wouldn’t count on that. YOU get over yourself. People are sick and tired of the Catholic Church feeling it should dictate to the rest of us how to live.
exactly; which is exactly the issue here.
So you agree the RC church should not seek to indoctrinate, year13?
They said that about the monasteries. A fat king with a war against France to fund put paid to them. They said that about the Hagia Sophia. Now it’s a museum. They said that about the Roman Empire. Not much of that left anymore…
We’ve been going since the beginning of time and we will long outlive your archaic religion.
Hello ‘st phils 101′. Were you addressing me? If not, please forego the below. If so, you’re reply is impertinent. If non-Catholic taxpayers are paying for your bigotry it is surely you who needs, as you put it, to ‘get over yourself’. If you are either a pupil or, dreadful thought, a teacher at this institution, then I have to say your English Department should have a quiet word with you about the use of initial upper cases, but then, education isn’t, perhaps, the main thrust of a Catholic institution.
Whoops!, and there’s me giving you endless delight with an erroneous use of ‘you’re’ instead of ‘your’. I apologize. (Athiests can do that, you see) Still, you are quite entitled to laugh at my mistake; think of it as a divine intervention in my keyboard. Professor Richard Dawkins called that attitude the ‘God in the gaps’ attitude, and it’s a well documented defence used by supernaturalists.
Can the church hierarchy stoop any lower than coercing minors to endorse their bigoted opinions? And it is disgusting that this can happen in a state school.
Hello Yewtree. To answer your question; yes they can and undoubtedly will.
I myself was disgusted in this assembly. From the first slide of the PowerPoint I knew this was going to be one of the worst assembly’s I’ve had. Our head teacher took the assembly and I can’t say any of us actually like her! I’m in year 8 and the assembly was for year 7-8(I think) and a separate one for KS4. We were told how it wasn’t right and it consisted of a letter she was sent from the bishop. We were told all about the catholic wires on this, and at the end she urged us to go home and sign this. But, she also told us that you had to be 16 to sign it. I’m glad some people feel the same as I do.
“They [the Catholic Church] claim that one of their reasons to campaign against same-sex marriage is to try to protect children.”
Needless to say , the best way to protect children is to stop raping them and covering it up.
“They are the ones who are a threat to children, and this is a shining example as to the dangers of faith schools.”
Bullseye.
God forbid the gays preach their “infernal and immoral agernda” (i.e. how to treat gay people with respect and dignity) in a school, but its okay for the brainwashing of children to make them bigots…. nice. The Catholic Church really is a vile organisation.
Vile? The epitomy of evil! Just look at its track record!
I have, especially its historical treatment of women, GLBT and non-Christians. This is why I am no longer a Catholic.
Typical catholic church, they are not only molesting children – they are now using these children to spill anti-gay marriage propaganda to society. What a disgrace.
First of all we need to end tax exempt status to catholic churches, then we need to have a big national royal commission into child abuse within the catholic church and finally outlaw donations to the catholic churches.
THAT WILL STOP THEM!
First of all we need to end tax exempt status to catholic churches, then we need to have a big national royal commission into child abuse within the catholic church and finally outlaw donations to the catholic churches.
Yes Yes No
If we outlaw donations to them they will seem victimised. They should be classified as a hate group and treated with the same derision as the BNP. Not just because of their treatment of LGBT people the list of people they hate and abuse is far too long for them to be held in any regard.
I don’t think my comma key is working. Sorry about that
In the USA the NOM group a bunch of cath and evan and mormon haters tried to get gay kids to rat out their parents.
I’m sure with a little video editing they would be able to turn “we love our gay parents” into “we hate gay parents.”
How low can they go – to the bowels of hell for new sick ideas. Maybe they are reading mein kampf. Trying desperately to deflect attention from their endless hidden child molestation.
Two words
Desperate Bigotry
Nothing new there then . . .
I wonder if the kids are being asked (told) to sign the petition or to sign an anti-equality pledge.
Signing pledges was a common thing when I went to a catholic school, and no-one in class dared to refuse to sign them.
Either way, it is a desperate bigotry…
Hi Jonpol,
I think your point about not daring to refuse to sign a pledge, is in essence the abuse of power which this school is desperate to exploit whiting or unwhitingly.
How do we get the state funding to ths monstrous cult school stopped.
And would it be possible to bring a criminal charge against the school for child abuse?
The police need to be involved in this. There’s no question about that.
it’s not a cult school.
@toothbrush2000…
….i respectfully suggest you take a trip down to the library and find an Oxford English dictionary. All religion is most certainly a cult….viz… Cult noun … 1a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object: That is taken directly from the Oxford Dictionary. You obviously spent too much time being indoctrinated by Ratzi the Natz1′s bigoted rc cult
The email address for St Philomena’s Cult school is:
stphilomenas@suttonlea.org
Miss M. Noone is the Headteacher – the hatemonger who allegedly tried to abuse the children in her care by promoting hatred.
St Philomena’s is controlled by the Sutton Local Education Authority.
I doubt that name is a real person. The name is ‘no-one’
i’ll assure you that it is, i have close contacts with theschool in question. the woman with the unfortunate name is sending it into the oblivion that is the cocktail that bigotry and hatred provides. she’s awful.
‘ CLOSE CONTACT’…. so you dont actually know her then? well i do. Miss Noone is a very fair and woman who thrives for success from her pupils. Yes, she is strict but without her St philomenas would not be in order. She’s a lovely lady and equal views and for you to go about saying she is awful is highly predjudice. Imagine if you were her right now? How would you feel?.
Like we give a damn what the odious sow feels. There is nothing “fair” in propagating discrimination.
If Miss Noone is forcing 11 years to sign up to bigotry then she is a child abuser.
She must be suspended pending a schools and police enquiry.
Glad to see you feel so confident in your support for this vile bigot that you are willing to do so openly and under your own name…
Actually Noone is a fairly common Irish name from the Connaught area…..
she is very real. I used to teach here
Yes she is, I am a student there now, and I think this is disgusting behaviour. I was in the assembly with Ms Noone, and I was appalled by what she said.
Just sent her an email, doubt she’ll listen though they tend to follow their beliefs, regardless of logic and reason.
Dear Miss Noone,
I am utterly repulsed by your blatant abuse of power, to get kids aged 11 to sign an anti-equality petition which they will obviously not understand. I thought it was the gay agenda that was supposed to be brainwashing our kids, not the catholic church but then again knowing the catholic church I’m not even remotely surprised.
If you disagree with marriage equality, thats fine I will think of you as a bigot but I respect your right to hold differing views and I understand that someone who is not gay themselves will not necessarily understand the feeling of someone saying your relationship is second class, however to use kids who most likely don’t dare or don’t understand the debate enough to refuse is in my eyes (and many other peoples) pure evil.
Cont
If you disagree with marriage equality, thats fine I will think of you as a bigot but I respect your right to hold differing views and I understand that someone who is not gay themselves will not necessarily understand the feeling of someone saying your relationship is second class, however to use kids who most likely don’t dare or don’t understand the debate enough to refuse is in my eyes (and many other peoples) pure evil.
If you don’t like same sex marriage fine don’t marry someone who is the same sex as you, but your belief that you can deny my rights for no apparent reason is arrogant at best, tyrannical and fascist at worst.
I hope you rethink your position and remember Jesus taught us to love thou neighbour and to be the best person you can possibly be, at the moment you seem to be failing both of those teachings.
I would pray for you but I don’t believe in sky fairies, so I’ll just have to make do with hoping you can change.
Best Wishes
Hamish
Yet another bit of fallout from Tony Sodding Blair’s faith crusade. I really despise that man.
So much so that you irrationally blame him for all the ills of the world?
I don’t like him either but the rot set in way before Blair in this case.
True, but he did declare support for equal civil marriage though.
I blame Gordon Brown for pandering to religious schools and giving them opt-outs its given them a false sense of importance and they think they are now above the law of the land.
Are there any priests working in St Philomena’s?
Has he ever been accused of raping children?
It’s a reasonable question considering how the catholic church is the world’s most notorious haven for child rapists?
this is ridiculous, no the priests at our school are not rapists. Gain some persepective
how would you know? when one of our teachers was exposed as being a peadophile with a huge stash of kiddie porn none of us knew or expected it before. You never really know your teachers even if you think you do. Furthermore the teachers were banned from discussing it with pupils to try and keep us in the dark. Regional newspapers however made sure that everyone knew.
And you would know? Do you really believe none of them masturbate too, another behaviour condemned by your cult? You’re delusional if you would have us believe you are a pupil. Pathetic, just goes to prove how hypocritical you are. You can’t even be honest and have to pretend that you are something you really are not. Go to confession, receive absolution then do penance by committing the sin over and over again. You’re delusional and a fraud, just like the cult that has indoctrinated you.
I know people of faith might WISH to believe that their priests don’t do things such as molesting children, but some do and I know if I were a Catholic parent–or a member of other “liturgical faiths” such as Eastern Orthodox, I would be watching my children and any interactions with the priests very carefully.
Sadly after I left Catholicism I joined the Orthodox faith and I can say with no hesitation just about every monastic priest/spiritual father I ever had contact with turned out to be pedophiles (both admitted and those who didn’t admit it at the time but were later arrested/convicted.
Catholics and others need to wake up and not assume clergy are some lot of holy types who would never do anything considered “impure”. They are human beings and they run the whole gamut of humanity–from basically good sorts who really do try to be good lads, to flat out pedophiles.
your a disgrace, you dont even go here.
you dont know what goes on in our school, no ones been accused of raping anyone and that is not a reasonable question.
be quiet david
A Catholic school which is authorized by law to teach according to the ethos of its religion. If Katherin does not like it, she can withdraw from the school and go to stonewall’s school.
And if the catholic cult school wants to receive state funding then they should not be getting involved in public social policy.
It’s a 2 way street.
The catholic cult needs to start paying tax – that way they are free to preach what they like.
While in receipt of public money the catholic cult has no right to promote discrimination.
“A Catholic school which is authorized by law to teach according to the ethos of its religion”
Authorised by law to preach discrimination?
Really? LOL!
I see you’re understand of legal issues is as retarded as your understanding of economics and politics.
Dear oh dear, you really are an utter fool, aren’t you?
He’s a repressed gay, it’s so obvious. Why would he keep coming here?
However Miss Noone did not discriminate one bit.
I don’t need to know you’re name, suffice I know there is something intrinsically wrong with you. Why not pretend to be a pupil again, hmmm?
I don’t think stonewall has a school – leave katherine alone – I salute her and her strength
I hope the pupils who wish to challenge the bigotry and homophobia at this school have the courage to pursue this matter further, using the courts if necessary.
This abuse of children is outrageous.
Children should never be a tool in a political debate.
Since C4M has confirmed that the minimum age fo signing their hate petition is 16, then clearly this school’s head mistress should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Oh I can just hear the bigots chanting….”freedom of religion is being attacked”.
Mss M Noone – the headmistress of that school has therefore broken the law.
She needs to be suspended from her position immedaitely and investigated by the police and charged.
I think putting her name on the child abuse register is merited – if she has done what the article says she has done, then she is a child abuser.
No wonder she works for the catholic cult.
She and her cult have not been able to provide the evidence for their position on gender neutral civil marriage, so that alone is lying and promoting a lie and in turn, promoting discrimination. Why isn’t anyone demanding that they come forward with the proof? They’ve had long enough to gather reports from the ten governments that have legalised equal civil marriage surely? Weren’t they saying the same things when CPs were on the table? How many polygamous marriages have occurred in the UK since they were introduced? How many incestuous and bestial relationships have occurred since then?
We’re not a cult and nor should she be prosecuted against. Your opinions are based on secondary experience, whereas others like myself have seen both sides to the argument. Frankly, the way you are reacting proves that you just have a hate for Catholicism that you are now ramming down everyone’s throats.
I hardly think someone in a RC school is an objective person to make a judgement on the harm of an RC school?
What age are you. 9.
No. Well stop acting like it.
We’re ramming stuff down your throat? My dear only if you ask nicely …
But seriously do you not see the ridiculousness of saying we’re ramming our beliefs down your throats on a story about a school brainwashing students to sign a petition to force society to follow there beliefs on a issue which has nothing to do with religion?
Its the stupidest comment on this entire thread, and I think Keiths on here somewhere so thats saying something.
Oh I’m sorry is 2000 girls who have been in that assembly not enough proof for you? This situation is bad enough right now. Action needs to be taken, and you’re no help
OUTLAW ALL FAITH SCHOOLS
Clearly they are a breeding ground for bigotry and hatred – Religion is a lie and a disgrace.
On the contrary, faith schools are breeding grounds for excellence and success as can be seen from Ofsted statistics. No surprise that they are always over subscribed.
If the gay marriage lobby is so concerned, they can open their own school.
But how do you explain faith schools producing an utter fool like you? You show very little learning in such a wide range of subjects, its embarrassing to watch you flounder like a dying fish in here. Surely you are a glowing produce of thise schools “par excellence”, no?
Will exactly . . .
Ken is hardly a testimony to academic excellence.
All the more reason to have little faith in the “so called” rigour of Faith Schools. The only thing they appear to excel, at is a rather embarrassing, and crude indoctrination of its students (what ever the age) into blatant bigotry
Ken – you do agree I hope that cult schools should not be in receipt of any public money if they refuse to obey the law of the land.
Forcing 11 years olds to sign petitition is illegal.
The headmistress of this school Ms M Noone should be investigated by the police for child abuse.
Don’t you agree?
Or do you think catholic child abusers like this Miss M Noone appears to be, should be above the law?
nobody was forced to sign it, please get your facts straight
The police can decide that.
If faith schools want to preach inequality then they can forego public funding…. simple.
All religion does is create dumb beasts who are easy to control, exactly what the perpetual mendicant that is religion requires – put your money in the collection plate like a good little cretin.
Karl Marx was so right. Religion is the opiate of the people who for the most part, are damaged, frightened, insecure, sexually inadequate, repressed and just devoid of any semblance of humanity.
And yet the damaged, frightened, insecure, sexually inadequate, repressed and inhuman people seem to score high at ofsted reviews.
Has it occured that if the people at whom you are directing the long list of insults above are actually functional & happy in society then it might be that the reverse is true – that people with a different viewpoint to them might be damaged, frightened etc?
No – of course it hasn’t. Because that would conflict with your worldview and you wouldn’t have the right to stamp your feet and call people names anymore.
This shows that the RC Church will stop at nothing to get their anti-gay propaganda across. Surely any self-respecting gay/lesbian Catholic should either complain, get out, or do both.
That’s fair enough for adults but it’s not too easy at eleven years old. Most of them won’t know what their sexuality may be at that age.
I’m very encouraged by Katherine’s attitude but she is a lot older.
Every year, Catholic schools along with other faith schools are over subscribed because of their very high standards.
These schools have been able to maintain these standards because they teach the RIGHT things to students.
Those who do not want their children to know about the dangers of homosexuality (as was again highlighted in the study by stonewall), should withdraw their children and put them in stonewall’s school.
Piss off
Every year more allegations are made against RC schools in terms of child protection that any other faith group, or state schools.
Well the catholic cult has always been a safe haven for child rapists,so of course the allegations against the catholic schools.
You tell ‘em Stu. What on earth is wrong with these people?
Here is a report about the situation in Ireland:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims
Similar reports can be provided for the UK, Netherlands, USA, Belgium and many many other nations.
Good one Ken. If this “teaching” is so effective, you wouldn’t have to resort to being on a gay site demonstrating your abject stupidity for all to laugh at, now, would you?
more importantly children should be aware of dangers posed by people like Ken who have explicit deviant tendencies
People who repress their gay orientation often resort to religion and we all know where that leads don’t we?
not sure about that one, i think Ken uses religion as a ‘legitimate’ way to indulge in homophobia in order to compensate for his self hatred
There’s a lot of self-hatred in self-loathing closet cases, religion is their refuge because the majority of it supports homophobia and justifies his raison d’etre.
Agree Ken, this one is a coward who gets a cheap thrill of making a fool of himself on a gay news site.
Actually those apparent “high standards” are nothing of the sort. The only reason it SEEMS that faith schools have higher results is because they are allowed to be selective and reject poorer, less able and disadvantaged pupils while normal state schools cannot. When you take into account the fact that these schools are selective, they actually produce slightly WORSE results than average, by about 5% or so.
There is no excuse for teaching hateful bigotry to children. Though there is every reason to teach them critical thinking skills and hence inoculate them against the dangers of religion.
I’d be genuinely interested in a source for that as it conforms to something I’ve thought was true for some time.
That proves nothing, simply that parents are willing to suspend their thought and send their child to a school not of the child’s choosing. There is no danger in homosexuality except in the minds of bigots such as yourself.
In my view this is an extremely serious matter which should be more widely reported.
this kind of behavior should be investigated by ofsted asap
Ofsted don’t care as long as they can tick their boxes.
then expose ofsted for not doing their job properly
The trouble is that Ofsted is doing the job this and the previous two governments have wanted them to do. Which is twofold:
1. Provide a figleaf inspection system at low cost.
2. Justify government policy.
This is completely unlike the pre-ofsted system that worked rather better.
Child abuse comes in all sorts of forms …. this is just one of them!!!!!
The headmistress of this school needs to be suspended while an investigation happens.
She may well be guilty of child abuse by forcing children as young as 11 to participate in discrmination.
” faith schools are breeding grounds for excellence and success”
As a person involved in Professional dominatrix work, I can confirm factually that the majority of the male clients and I mean around 90% have been brought up in “faith schools” and the ones that need to be flogged and given lots of pain are the catholic ones.
Fetishes are created as children so excellence isn’t the only thing that gets achieved in Catholic schools. It also creates abusive patterns that shouldn’t have been put into a child in the first place.
Taxpayers should not be funding faith schools, fullstop, they are a cesspit of abuse, bullying and indoctrination.
Doubt the BBC will report the news story. They’re much happier with stuff like this:-
Jersey needs free Christian school, says head teacher
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-17837162
Sorry, but this verges on abuse.
These kiddies are far too young to have an opinion – based on facts and experience – of their own.
Let children be children without putting them through this – some could easily be part of a gay family or have gay members within their family group.
I think the Governors of the school ought to take a very close look at this sort of indoctrination – after all, we are in the 21st century and nuns can’t hit you on the knuckles with rulers, nor can priests fondle the bottoms of little boys!
Yes it is abusive – and no secondary school children are NOT ‘too young to have an opinion’ – far from it..
But the purpose of secondary schools is to PROMOTE children having their OWN opinions – not forcing some archaic staff-led notion of what they ‘should’ be thinking…
Of course they’re not too young to have an opinion. But they’re too young for their opinions to be granted power, which is why we don’t let children of that age vote either.
Please stop calling it child abuse, guys – you are devaluing the very real abuse many children all over the world face daily. Unethical and a misuse of power, yes. Child abuse, no. Accuracy matters.
I am afftaid that your post belittles the mental abuse involved here maybe you only think abuse is physical? It isn’t!!!! And yes accuracy matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well I got to this school and would therefore be a victim of this ‘abuse’ and do not feel abused in anyway
Sometimes abuse is more subtle and not obvious to the “victim” until much later. There is a sense of inner denial.
you cant be that ugly
Many people who are abused don’t feel like they are abused in anyway. Doesn’t stop it being abuse.
not really.
And anti- gay groups accuse us of recruiting and brainwashing the children… even if we wanted to (we don’t) we could never be as successful as the Christian church.
Email enquiries@ofsted.gov.uk to ask them to suspend all funding to this ‘faith school’ while an investgation takes place to see if the principle Miss M Noone has been abusing children (aged 11) in her care by forcing them to participate in bigotry.
Here’s one I made earlier:
“Dear Ofsted,
In refer you to the news report below:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/25/exclusive-catholic-school-urged-pupils-as-young-as-11-to-sign-anti-gay-marriage-petition/
This report states that the headmistress of St Philomena’s Catholic School for Girls Carshalton has been forcing pupils as young as 11 to sign anti-equality petitions as demanded by the catholic church.
This despite the fact that she knows full well that people under the age of 16 are not allowed to participate in such polls.
Please confirm that the headmistress of this school is to be suspended pending a police investigation to see if her behaviour constitutes child abuse.
Also please confirm that all state funding to this school is suspended pending the outcome of this police investigation?
Yours sincerely”
I would just like to add that in the assembly miss noone said ‘if you are over the age of 16 and would like to sign the petition you may’. NO-ONE was FORCED, and it was made clear you must be 16. you weren’t there so stop using the word ‘forced’
THERE WAS NO FORCE ABOUT IT. PLEASE COME TO OUR SCHOOL AND SEE THE POWERPOINT FOR YOURSELF BEFORE YOU MAKING WRONG JUDGEMENTS.
And dumb children don’t understand that there is more to the concept of “force” than acts of physical coercion. You are being manipulated and you are too immature and inexperienced to know it. Now run along kiddy.
Exactly, Valksy. It is very easy to manipulate children and the churches are past masters at it.
Acting Headteacher was in October 2011 was John Hordley
I think Miss M Noone was probably a Wikipedia joke
Miss Noone is a real person, pupils of said school have assured me. Apparently she spits hate like this upon the children in her care daily.
Hey, I actually go to this school, and can you not do that? This is the first time I’ve ever had any kind of opinion pushed onto me by St.Phils, and I actually love going here. We’ve always been encouraged to have our own opinions about things, until this isolated incident, and while I don’t agree with what they did, this is my education you’re messing with. There’s never been any bullying here, I love my teachers and I get a great education. You’re not ‘protecting’ us by doing this, you’re depriving us. Stop viewing this situation from one side, you’ve never been there, you’ve never talked to any of the students, and you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing.
Ellen
If the school are usually encouraging of open mindedness and balance, as you state – then that makes this matter even worse (in my view) because they have deliberately chosen to demonise people due to their orientation.
This must be stopped. Homophobia is not acceptable.
It is the responsibility for catholic schools including st philomena’s to be informed of any actions within the catholic church. Even though the sixth form is of mixed faith, we still follow the catholic ethos. The head mistress discussed a letter with us from the archbishops which expressed the topic. When speaking with the lower years ageing from 11-15 year olds, they were told that they werent able to sign the petition, therefore they were NOT forced or even given the opportunity to sign the petition even if they agreed !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Passing a message to children that gay people are subhuman and grotesque (the exact word your Cardinal used) is inhumane, unscriptural and evil. It is emotional child abuse.
Okay so yes she did that and it was very wrong, but do you want to deprive me of my education? I think that’s a bit unfair. I’m against what she did to us too, but I go there and I’m not loosing my education.
There will be other headteachers.
Well they are teaching them correctly, teach according to the of the religion, and giving them the choice of it they want to sign or not, nothing wrong with that. Age should not restrict someone from signin a petition.
More histeria within the homosexual community against people who dont agree with them.
They are teaching children officially to endorse sectarian discrimination on tax-payers’ money.
Close them down or take the money off them.
NO.
‘Age should not restrict someone from signin a petition.’
Aiden, age restriction was applied by C4M organizers. by the way whats your favorite gay porn site?
Aiden knows all about hysteria especially when someone points out that he is a self hating closet case. How very dare you! Me Gay dear, no dear. He’s just like that other creature Skinnner who comes on this site to be as unpleasant and to provoke reactions. He then copies them onto his fundamentalist pals websites to ‘prove’ how awful a bunch we gays are. Skinner brags about how many times he has been banned from the site. What a pair of tossers? Aiden the wanker and Skinner the madman.
If they want to indoctrinate them, then they should not be entitled to state funding to support that.
Typical of Aiden to support an organisation that abuses children sexually, physically and mentally, and then covers it up…. well done Aiden, you’re a travesty of a human, most couldn’t sink that low if they tried.
Makes one even more concerned about the welfare of Aidens alleged children.
The Catholic Church has ALWAYS manipulated children, like other religions and worse. My father was terrorised by ideas of Hell as a child during his RC upbringing. They have gotten a bit more subtle in recent times (except re. actual sexual abuse), so this is a bit blatant. Frankly, tax-payer funded religious schools should be abolished. ASAP.
…the evil ungodly bastards…
good to see you can now write the word ‘bastards’ as well as ‘bollocks’ on here…
@Barry further up – Yes it is abusive – and no secondary school children are NOT ‘too young to have an opinion’ – far from it..
But the purpose of secondary schools is to PROMOTE children having their OWN opinions – not forcing some archaic staff-led notion of what they ‘should’ be thinking…
Thank GOD (quite literally!) that members of the 6th Form have enough brain capacity, empathy & balls to stand up to the overbearing staff and the ungodly Catholic Church!
There is hope yet!
I suggest the 6th Formers start a ‘Everyone is Equal’ campaign and spread the word throughout the school.
I also think they should take up the matter of under-age signatures being sought and force the law to cancel the petition.
I bet they haven’t removed the underage signatures though i mean its more for them isn’t it. Immorality at its worst.
At least, this time, it’s only words they’re putting in the mouth of 11 year olds.
Given that the majority of cases were male priests on FEMALE children, no, it wouldn’t. Go and read the Ryan report or any of the other investigations into catholic cult vileness. And if you need to have the difference between “homosexual” and “paedophile” explained to you, then you’re even more of a drooling moron than we all thought.
So you think the report by your church is a lie? Interesting…
Hmm, thorough independent enquiry that took many years to compile on the one hand, bleatings of a psychotic internet troll on the other. Which to place more trust in? Oh, this is a tricky one…
It sounds like a wholly inappropriate thing for the Vatican to do, involving children like that. The sixth formers sound ok, it seems to have had the opposite effect to that intended, but it’s still an abuse of trust by the Church. Sometimes it seems like the Vatican has declared war on the whole British ( and Irish, for different reasons) people.
I’ve stopped telling my partner about these stories, as the homophobia upsets him too much.
Vatican? LOL – What’s the Vatican got to do with it?
Been reading too many Dan Brown novels?
This is just more proof that religious schools cannot be trusted on this issue. I will again be raising this with my MP. If we are to keep paying for these schools standard training should be given to every school, delivered by approved training organisations from outside of the school system.
I go to Saint Philomena’s, and am a 15 year old who was shown this presentation. I cannot even begin to explain how disgusting it was. We were even asked so say a prayer about it afterwards. Needless to say, the majority of the school hall sat in silence with their arms folded. I’m truly embarrased to associate myself with this excuse for a school and sham of a religion.
Thanks for posting that Craig. Perhaps Dora would like to get a group of her fellow pupils to make contact.
Dora, perhaps you and a group of your fellow pupils would like to contact the British Humanist Association which Craig Denney has kindly provided a link to further down. I strongly urge you to do it.
get your mother to pull you out if you don’t like it then.
Well done.
Your first instinct should always be to question everything and seek the truth. Religion really doesn’t want you to do either of those things.
Remember this – there never has been one single piece of evidence given that marriage equality affects anyone else’s marriage in any way. And marriage in the UK is a mechanism of civil law – the ceremonial aspect is only of relevance to the participants. To have some people have legal protection, and have it denied to others because of an innate and immutable personal characteristic is just wrong. It is discrimination. And that’s not who we should be in the UK.
Like some of the other ‘students’ posting on ear, your language and attitde does not reflect that of a schoolgirl. You re just tryig to back to charholic church. Please leave this forum alone unless you will tell the truth.
Stop pretendig to be pupils! This laguage and phrasing is too superior for a schoolgirl! You’re just trying to support he chuch and please stop now!
Are you serious? Some girls that attend the school are 18 years of age and you are saying their language is ‘too superior’? shutup.
miss noone? You’re a male pretending to be a female. Do you really believe we’re that gullible. You don’t appear to be too bright either. It’s quite apparent your parents didn’t teach you any manners either telling people to shutup.
we gain some of the best A level results in the whole country; how can our language be “too superior”. Sorry for being taught how to form a sentence properly.
Another fake female! Grow up!
I’m 19, and I don’t go to that school however I find it quite offensive that you can say being 18 means you have to talk like a cretin.
Age is only related to intellect while you are very young, I was very verbal from an early age and have always been able to string a proper sentence together thank you very much.
I think you’ll find that the Catholic church is not gender specific, we accept he’s, she’s and he-she’s!.
Are you serious? Did you not realise that our school is one of the top comprehensives in the country and the majority of our teacher’s have graduated from very highly regarded Universities. My English teacher in fact graduated from Oxford. So sit down and do your research before pointing any fingers you imbecile.
If you’re putting apostrophes in plurals, that doesn’t say very much for your English teacher, does it?
In some ways this stunt might have been a positive thing. If the catholic cult wasn’t making so plainly obvious how bigoted, out of touch and immoral it was then many of the students at this school might have gone on to consider it in some way benign or harmless. Trust me, the decline and death of catholicism won’t come from without, but from the disgust and revulsion felt by those within. Things like this just stoke the fires and speed the end for them. It can’t come soon enough.
Hi Dora – Hope you’re ok. I’m a reporter at the BBC looking at covering this story. Could you please give me a call on 07748 328 696…? In confidence. Or you can email me tom.bateman@bbc.co.uk
Many thanks
Tom
I find no surprise in this story. The Catholic Church has a long history of abusing our young children both physically and emotionally.
It’s interesting as it is slowly revealed exactly they achieved such a lot of signatures, the C4M petition is suspect on so many levels.
That’s why they refused a PN correspondent asking them to provide details of their methodology to collect signatures. Comres.co.uk who conducted the petition on their behalf refused to comment.
Correction typo.
It’s interesting as it is slowly revealed exactly how they achieved such a lot of signatures, the C4M petition is suspect on so many levels
If children are signing this petition then it means nothing they can say they have had so many sigh it but in reality only 10% signed their pertition, the others were forced to sign it or under age
Since the abolition of clause 28, Stephen Twigg as a former Labour Schools Minister promoted LGBT week into the school curriculum, so why can’t Catholic schools be allowed to circulate a letter penned by the Archbishops of Westminster and Southwark, who are their spiritual leaders, in favour of traditional marriage.
FYI, CIVIL marriage is NOT traditional marriage. It’s only been in existence in the UK since the 19th century to allow divorced heterosexuals to marry as many times as they wish and for those who are of other faiths or none. As long as catholic schools receive government funding courtesy of British taxpayers including Gay taxpayers. They have absolutely NO right to meddle in what is purely a civil matter and does not affect the ability of the roman church to continue marrying heterosexual couples of their persuasion. By default, they are promoting discrimination of and targeting gay people to justify their religious beliefs. Civil and religious are two totally different components. So stop acting the apologist for bigotry.
Except, of course, there is no legal distinction between religious and civil marriage.
There is however a distinct difference between sane and insane what a pity religionists have such a problem understanding that.
Nobody said there was and it’s not the point of the argument either. Civil marriage is NOT traditional marriage, so get over it. I don’t think religious bigots would welcome our meddling in their business by calling for a ban on religious marriage would they? We’re much better than they are and behaving in a far more ‘christian’ manner than they are. We’re not trying to deny them their right to believe what they want to believe. Just don’t cram it down everybody else’s throat that the religious way is the only way and to hell with the rest of the country.
‘…Except, of course, there is no legal distinction between religious and civil marriage…’
legal distinction is that roman catholic church doesn’t recognize civil marriages
From the perspective of a pupil that quite reluctantly goes to this school I can reassure you all that when asked the question of what a marriage actually was a Year 11 student shouted out with no trace of fear “Two people that love each other.” I express with the utmost proudness that even if the presentation had very minor impacts of the younger years (which is questionable seeing as there is already 1 openly gay child aged 12) that the older years were not sucked into this ideal that homosexual union through marriage should be identified as wrong. Most of us were in fact repulsed and felt no obligation to humour any of the teaching faculty who were for involved. It was a huge tear in the already fragile seams of trust and respect between the pupils in the school, and with this I hope that action is taken because it’s quite simply WRONG.
This is good to hear and for any students of the school reading this, please know that you do not have to put up with this sort of thing and you have lots of support!
Hi,
I work for Channel 4 news and would like to talk to you about this.
Can you please email me with your phone number on – Gaggan.Sabherwal@itn.co.uk
Many thanks
Regards
Gaggan
i will happily get in contact with c4. considering i study theology, and have studied the topic of homosexuality (unbiasedly i should add before you all hasten to spit words at me) and therefore, my opinions are that of understanding on both sides.
Unbiased study – that is highly unlikely in a RC school!!!!
i can educate you if you’d like? we’re allowed to choose the opinion we want to argue as long as we look to both sides of the argument, fairly.
Thank you for your kind offer, year13.
Unfortunately having experienced RC schooling myself until the age of 18, and then studied my first degree and masters at a university that GENUINELY encouraged free thought and learning (rather than the poor pretense at free thought that the RC school system claims) – I have had sufficient time to reflect on the attempts to indoctrinate myself and my fellow pupils. I did not see the harm that the school caused me until much later.
I work in an education psychology service. I have had cause to work with numerous pupils who have gone to RC schools and many of them are suffering from being told their views whether on orientation or other issues are wrong, and it has caused them much harm.
Its subtle, pervasive and continual abuse. Its not just one school (in my experience).
I’m just passing this message on.
This action by the Catholic Education Service is absolutely outrageous. Not only might this break equalities legislation, it also breaks laws against political partisanship. If any pupil at one of the schools concerned is interested in taking a legal case forward on this, we urge them to get in touch with us at the British Humanist Association http://www.humanism.org.uk/contact
For your information, not only males were abused by catholic clergy but also females, many of them including adult females. The Vatican commissioned the John Jay Institute to conduct an investigation It’s findings revealed that homosexuality wasn’t the primary factor, but the mere availability of boys than girls to the clergy. Paedophilia statistics in America according to the U.S. Government reveal that a far higher percentage of this crime occurs among heterosexual males and to a lesser extent, females.
Paedophilia, pederasty and ephebophilia in the catholic church aren’t a recent phenomenon. All have existed for almost two millenia including abuse of women and so it continues. Rent yourself a copy of the Magdelene Sisters and see for yourself.
Stop trying to imply that paedophilia is an uniquely homosexual aberration, it isn’t and never has been. The majority of sex crimes in general are committed by heterosexuals against children and women. How many males, children or adults, have been raped in the UK compared to females?
We all know you enjoy living in your own (closeted repressed homosexual(ite)) fantasy world, but just so you know the facts.The majority of murderers, rapists, child abusers, drug dealers, and convicted criminals of all nature are heterosexual men – go in any prison and take a survey of the inmates sexuality if you don’t believe me. But you being a wanna be heterosexual, you ignore that fact.
This is completely irrelavent. It doesn’t matter who commits crimes the most, it matters that some pupil has made up complete lies and has caused all this ,and people should really do their research before coming on here and directing hate at st. Philomenas.
I think you will find they are who they say, not only that but the information on here is incorrect, no child was forced into signing anything. My daughter is in year 7 and did not have this presentation. It was for the 6th form, to sign if they wish. The girl who made the report is obviously after her 5 minutes of fame !!
It seems the people on here are the one’s with issues, because they can’t believe that the information could be wrong , everyone is so wrapped up in hate. I am proud for my daughter to go to such a caring and well taught school, most of you on here will not have seen the school, let alone know how it’s run.
Irrelevant.
Simply offering the petition was illegal.
i must agree with you. My daughter is in yr12 and knows the young lady in question. I have met her on several ocassions and I am sorry to say that she is very much an attention seeker. She has blown the whole thing out of proportion. The upper years were shown the presentation and told that there was a petition should anyone wish to sign it. No more than that! my daughter is appaled that the school is now being dragged through this “debate” especially with A level exams on the horizion. This is after all, a Catholic school. I do not agree with the bigotry of the Vatican, however if our daughters are raised to be Liberal, caring and compassionate individuals, they will make the right decions in life.
All schools have to abide by the law. The suggestion is that this school breached the rules. It doesn’t matter what years saw the presentation or how much or little they were encouraged to sign the petition, as Dr Guthrie says above, it shouldn’t have been mentioned in school at all.
Wrapped up in hate? Really. What do you think the C4M petition is then? It’s a political statement aimed at subverting the government from doing its business, to legislate equality laws. Comparing equal marriage for having the potential to a demand for polygamous and incestuous relationships is nothing more than hatred and homophobia. What part of that don’t you get? Oh I forgot, NOTHING. I doubt the veracity of your statement and that you are a parent of 7 year old. You’re just lying (catholics do lie you know) to justify your statement.
And I suppose you have the evidence for that? How do you know the pupil concocted the lies? You’re nothing but an apologist for catholic bigotry, masters of it.
Heterosexuals have a far higher rate of paedophilia and sex crimes PER CAPITA than homosexuals, regardless of proportion. “Homsexualite”? What kind of an education did you receive? There is no such word. Provide the factual evidence. HIV infection is now overwhelmingly an heterosexual transmitted virus in Africa and other developing nations. If you disagree, take it up with the W.H.O. and provide them with your statistics.
Suffer failed relationships? Provide the factual evidence for that too. Last time I checked, heterosexual marriages, roughly 50% end in failure. There are millions of heterosexual couples living together, raising children and aren’t married and millions of unmarried mothers around the world. Succesful relationships? You’re an idiot!
I suggest you contact Sir Roger Gale and his three failed marriages, imbecile.
Yeah, what is this “failed relationship” nonsense. My husband and I have been togher almost six years, married for five and we are still very happy together and deeply in love. I am sure there are many other same sex couples that can claim similarly, and even more years together.
19 years here…..
I do wish they would use different forum software.
My response was to Merlyn
“Yeah, what is this “failed relationship” nonsense. My husband and I have been togher almost six years, married for five and we are still very happy together and deeply in love. I am sure there are many other same sex couples that can claim similarly, and even more years together.”
To which I reply. 19 years here……….
25 years and very very happy.
“promiscuoua”
What’s that? Do you speak Hindi now Keith?
THERE IS NO RAPE IN THE EQUATION.
Also, the only impact I could say has been accomplished in the eyes of the school is that I know many LGBTQ students who are perhaps more fearful towards the repercussions of any revelation of just how many people at this school are exactly what the presentation made seem so vile and wrong.
Croydon should do a Thanet:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/20/thanet-council-votes-to-support-equal-marriage/
Maybe we should all sign a petition banning the catholic church from having access to children full stop given that their members tolerated and carried out the rapes of a number of them for years without redress?
The Catholic Emancipation Act should never have been enacted!
again, why bring up Rape? it has absolutley nothing to do with this matter…
I completely agree
I go to this school and was in the assembly myself and think this has been taken too far, there was a short powerpoint presentation about the catholic definition of marriage and then it was mentioned that it was optional to sign the petition, but never made obligatory. To cut school funding or take this to court would just be irrational, this has been over-exaggerated
I doubt very much if you went to this school. You’re pretending to be a pupil to deflect criticism of the catholic church. So transparent. What would a pupil know about powerpoint? The use of language is that of an adult.
I’m sorry you’re accusing me of lying? I am a year eleven pupil at st phils in carshalton and have been for five years. I am sorry if my use of language is too sophisticated but I happen to have had a good education in a good catholic school. ‘what would a pupil know?’ You undermine young people, I can tell you exactly what happened at that assembly because I was there thursday morning of last week so get your facts straight. I don’t agree with indoctrinating young people with views such as those being mentioned but I know BECAUSE I WAS THERE that it was nothing like it is being described
You’re delusional and a liar. Prove you were there. Give us the phone number of your school and your real name, age and home address? We will call Ms. Noone to verify you are pupil? There are NO pupils posting on this site. You can’t take the heat which explains why you are here.
No offence, friend, but you seem to have serious problems. Get help!
Fake female, stop the pretence and what are you doing trolling a gay website?
this girl is my best friend, i think i would know, an A* grade student, sorry that we seem to be educated.
do they think we’re like eight? yes we know how to type oh my word
No, but I do think you are an ignorant and easily manipulated child who is being coerced by tradition and probably parental expectation to believe in fairy stories and lies.
Of course, as a woman myself I am always amazed by who women embrace the catholic church – don’t you know they think you are nothing but a dumb beast who is only good for whelping children than they can exploit? You have no voice, you have no power, you are lower than a footstool in that faith and that you embrace it so vigorously makes you nothing but Quislings.
Can I ask how you find yourselves on a gay news website?
Gavin this story has been picked up by the Guardian it is on there front page and they have a link to this site in their article, since the story was a PN exclusive.
Things are set to get a lot weirder here
*the front page
As a pupil at saint philomena’s, I came across this article from Facebook.
Im at the school your friend has over exaggerated this :@ :@ :@
I don’t know how old you are Robert but most of my sodding school lessons were on powerpoint and a lot of subjects require you to design your own powerpoint presentations to bore everyone to tears with, which is a colossal waste of time especially when the school computers are a bag of sh¡te.
I’m willing to bet there are many unfortunate primary school children who are familiar with powerpoint also. If the comments about are right and these children have been “indoctrinated” by their school and church, it’s completely logical that they would defend said school/church online.
I often shocked how out of touch people are with younger people on this board but the way some of you talk about these kids like they are incapable of being horrible little homophobic sh¡ts or having their own twisted little opinions is really bizarre to me.
I was raised Catholic but by the age of 11 I had long since realised it was a load of bs despite what I’d learnt from Catholic school and my grandparents.
What would a pupil know about powerpoint? I was making powerpoint presentations in yr 7. I have no idea if these are real students but your reasoning for them not being is ridiculous to say the least.
LOL are you actually serious? You’re all judgemental mongrels. Enough said.
Hi,
I am a journalist and would like to talk to you about this story.
Can you email me on Gaggan.Sabherwal@itn.co.uk
Thanks
Gaggan
I used to teach at St Philomena’s an can assure you that every girl in this school is fully aware of what a PowerPoint presentation is and are mature enough and media savvy enough to voice their strong, and well informed opinions in a forum like this
and you expect to be taken seriously?
Overlooking the glaringly obviously hatefulness and bigotry I think this highlights another issue of faith run state schools. Why should tax payer’s money be used to pay (very literally) for children to be taught hate? Personally, the idea that the money from the taxes I pay goes towards the salary of the headmistress of this school is vile. I do not agree with faith schools in general but I have far fewer problems with them if they are private.
and this is not the place to be talking about rape by Catholic priests or whatever because that’s irrelevant, of course none of the priests at our school are rapists just because we had an assembly on gay marriage….
amen <3
Yet another fake female. Grow up!
Ahhh…the classic catholic response of sticking your head in the sand and pretending nothing bad every happens.
Your capacity for dishonesty dismays me. I couldn’t sleep at night knowing that the Vatican not only sits on enough wealth and property to save millions of lives, but part of that grotesque wealth (that YOU chip in to whenever you reach in to your pocket) is set aside to pay off victims or purchase silence.
And if it really were true to Christ’s teaching, they would sell everything they have, give the proceeds to the poor and follow the Lord. NOT!
The horrific cover-up of child rape by the very priesthood to which those nasty men belong should be ringing alarm bells at the very least. It shows that the catholic hierarchs have absolutely no moral authority whatsoever, In fact they have NEGATIVE moral authority, and letting them lecture anyone on sexual morality is a sick joke.
The very presence of priests in your school shows that it is deeply morally compromised. Would you invite Enron executives to give an assembly on corporate ethics? Would you invite Rupert Murdoch to give an assembly on media ethics? Would you invite Gary Glitter’s associates to give an assembly on marriage?
That thestudentroom.co.uk forum site always seems to have a lot of anti-gay propaganda threads as well.
I’ve read a few of them and I’m surprised that they would be written by “students”. I’m sure this forum website is being used to promote anti-gay feeling.
Also there’s a tes website which always comes up with threads on gay mariage. Strange for teachers to be so obsessed with the topic.
Considering how many LGBT students are bullied at school, it would be naive to imagine that there are no homophobic students.
Talk about indoctrination. Don’t care if it’s faith or not, shoving your own bigoted opinions on innocent kids is totally wrong. It’s how the next generation of bigots gets created; they get it from the adults.
I am a 16 year old girl who attends St Philomena’s catholic high school for girls. Can i just firstly state that this has been highly exaggerated when the assembly was very basic and un-biased. In the assembly last week we were reminded of the importance of marraige in the roman catholic church. For all you uneducated atheists out there, we believe that marraige is when a Man and Woman become united as 1. We are also against discrimination of anykind. Going to Catholic schools has taught me that most of the pupils have a liberal perspective of the bible. This therefore means that yes we believe in the word of God but NO we do not listen to everything the archbishops of the head of the church tells us. Therefore. many of us CHOSE wisely not to sign the petition. There was no force inflicted upon us to sign the petition. In the assembly the words ‘anti-gay’ were not said once. infact all Miss Noone was saying was the letter the archbishop had asked her to read. Threatening to report our school for child abuse is HIGHLY unnecessary as infact ‘child abuse’ isnt the correct words for showing a presentation on marraige. If anyone should be punished it should be the girl who reported to pink news. she has blown this out of control and exaggerated or may i say lied a hell of a lot.
amen, literally
so, so true
Why not just bleat like the bloody sheep you are.
Funny how the two responses have the curious appalling lack of ability to capitalise and words? LOL! Oh, all the “different” people commenting here, its overwhelming! :)
Ah, the desperate religious. Lies, cheating, and dishonesty:- all good honest catholic traits.
your comments lack originality and humour so bye.
I am glad that you chose not to sign the petition. However, I fail to see how the girl should be punished for going to the press because she felt that was the school was doing was discriminatory towards her.
That aside, Christians and Catholics rarely do everything the bible tells them. Like muslims, we’re not supposed to come into contact with pig, we’re not supposed to eat shellfish, we’re not supposed “step on the altar of god” if we have poor eyesight. We allow blind people to get married in a church, why not a gay man or a lesbian? I suggest looking at this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp
Finally, you mention the word of God. The only holy book of the Abrahamic religions which is reputed to be the word of God is the Qu’ran. If you ever visit the Vatican, you are told that it was Mary was not a virgin when Jesus was conceived – this was a story added by the then pope centuries later. The bible as we know it is papal dogma and the pope admits it.
sorry where did i mention that i wanted a lecture of the Roman Catholic teachings? we believe in Papal infalabilty that everything the pope says is true, other religions are irrelevant to this comment anyhow. dont bring up the gay rights subject with me? im simply just a pupil stating what actually happened in our assembly. The girl should be punished because she lied, what she said did not happen.
It seems to me you are blinded by your indoctrination.
If the Pope says it is true, then it is.
If the Pope told you that the presentation had never happened would you believe him?
The infallability rubbish blinds and blinkers many to reality.
The girl who supplied the information to the media should be congratulated for her moral courage, and I hope she takes up the offer that is being made for financing of legal action against the school for their breaches of various laws including Equality legislation.
It is shocking that school pupils have been so indoctrinated and abused of their free self determination that what the senior teaching staff of a religious based school say is Gospel – even if its morally repugnant and offensive.
you’re wrong, we are right get over it.
Bigotry is always wrong, equality is always right.
The RC church has a revered history of harm, inequality and bigotry
Get over it.
You don’t like gay rights being brought up? This is a bloody GAY news site. If you don’t like it or being called out by some of the posters on here.
If you believe everything the pope says to be true I assume you believe condoms give you HIV? Cos on his tour of africa he was well known for spouting this nonsense. No-one is infallible and no-one is beyond criticism.
Don’t engage these fools. They’re males pretending to be female pupils to defend their cult at all costs,
My goodness, this man must be psychic!
You shouldn’t pretend to speak for anyone but yourself. In fact the majority of Catholics in the UK support marriage equality. You should realise that a great many others do not believe as you do.
You say you do not discriminate. But what you are saying is that the relationships of same-sex couples, no matter how faithful, committed and loving, can never be equal to heterosexual relationships, no matter how abusive, adulterous or dysfunctional. And for a teacher to use her authority over others present such views in a one sided way to people who have had little life experience, is a scandal. Were you given the other side of the story in that assembly? What right do you have at all to dictate the terms of other people’s relationships? Why are you not campaigning against marriages of divorcees? Where is your consistency?
I an 13 years old and am in the year 9 of st phils. Don’t get worried about kids beleaving all the crap mrs noon (headteacher) said about gays because as soon as everyone got out of the assembily, we were all talking about how out or order it was and how gays should have equal rights. The thing i don’t understand is how we can have gay teachers in the school, and then the head can turn around and be so homophobic.
The presentation started with mrs noon talking about how the govournment was going to change the name of a gay “civil partnership” to “marrage”. At thet point, i was thinking how nice it was and that it was great that the world was finally accepting gays. Then she showed us the video of the bishop talking about “preserving the true defenition of marrage” and i almost got up and punched her in the face. EVEN I CAN SEE THIS IS WRONG!!!
no you did not. Sit down and stop making up lies. At least learn how to spell Miss Noone before you pre-judge. Why do you hold such an evil grudge against Miss Noone? its her job, she was asked to and as we know she is a devout catholic who has to serve her duty, she did not at one point say she was anti-gay or against the idea of gay marraige, she reminded us that is our faith to marry a man and to procreate. now go to bed.
Person tells a story that is believeable.
Whereas “you dont need to know my name” tells a tale, that may have occurred, but is biased, indoctrinated and deviant. It celebrates the abuse of children and fails to recognise self determination of morality and choice. It also demands inequality and prejudice.
Actually, ‘person’ tells the story that you want to hear whereas ‘you dont need to know my name’ tells the story that you don’t like to hear.
The only difference I find between both is that ‘person’ s grammar and spelling exposes her to be a very dull and unserious pupil.
I would say with you is that you hear what you want to hear from “you dont need to know my name” and not from person.
The grammar and language ability (or not) do not tell the ability of an individual to recognise morality, not of the ability to see beyond indoctrination.
You are a hate monger, Ken and of course you will use ever bluff and bluster in your tool box to perpetuate that hatred because you are evil.
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I would say with you, Ken – its that you hear what you want to*
you dont like to hear my story because im 16 and opinionated whereas ‘person’ is 13 and uneducated about the Gay topic within catholisism. And you dont like to hear my story because you’re a biased arsehole who has nothing better to do than be a procrastinating douche.
That’s it. Marry and create more little Catholic cretins to support the Vatican.
I compared your spellings and grammar to the student that commented just before you did and it immediately became obvious that you must be a truant and an unserious student. No wonder you support gay ‘marriage’ – a word you don’t even know how to spell.
two letters out of line, oh cry me a river. What do you get out of this Ken? you have no proof of my beliefs, so stop being critical. We are students at the end of the day, no move before we report you for child abuse, a paedophile perhaps? mmm thought so.
Don’t get too excited. I was talking to you. Was addressing the comment by ‘person’. Now run along and read your books.
sorry i think there is an ‘I’ before was you uneducated old man. I think its you who needs to be reading books and teaching yourself of the importance of staying out of different denomination beliefs :) Good day.
“Don’t get too excited. I was talking to you. Was addressing the comment by ‘person’. Now run along and read your books.”
Yeah, the bible is a great book for giggles and stuff. Harry Potter is slight more up to date, but equally as fictitious.
And Ken, really? Moaning about another intelligence when you have intrepidly demonstrated suck a lack of any schooling or education? You’re obvious unemployed….
“person”, shut yah face!! The assembly may have been misinterpreted as “anti-gay”, but it just told you what your religion teaches you- that marriage is between man and woman, and the reason is love and purpose is to pro-create if you are so disgusted by this then leave the school. I’m not saying that your religion means you have to sign the petition or agree with everything it teaches but you have to accept that a catholic school will teach you the catholic religion.
i would kiss your head and hug you to death, what you said is pure and just <3
Religion doesn’t teach, you fool. It preaches. Science teaches.
You don’t even know when to capitalise a proper noun. Don’t attend the school, do we? Illiteracy is an awful affliction, isn’t it?
That’s a matter of opinoin, I attend the school, and I tell you now, it is a lovely place which teaches good values and a good education. The fact that you try to debate by correcting a childs grammar, makes you pathetic and immature, looks like you need to go back to school.
“That’s a matter of opinoin”
The word is opinion. And yes, thank you for proving my point, you’re an illiterate idiot.
If you consider the extremely out-dated and fundamentalist approach of catholicism in the assembly to be morally correct then by all means hold your own views, however it remains that the school may have broken laws against political partisanship. It is widely known that the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject in the school is forbidden and Miss Noone is most certainly not oblivious to that. Yes we do have to accept that a catholic school will teach the catholic religion, but not impose political views on its pupils. How about you do your research and familiarise yourself with the Education Act, then come back and get your facts right.
G’wan Literate!!!