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  1. Mumbo Jumbo 23 Apr 2012, 11:13am

    “……saying they [the police] should not ‘endorse a book containing text which condemns homosexuality’.”

    Not to mention murder, rape, slavery, incest and the need to draw conclusions by way of completely ignoring the evidence.

    1. Took the words right out of my mouth.

    2. if it contains only the New Testament and Psalms, then it probably does NOT condone murder, rape, slavery, incest and whatever.

      Let’s not get carried away.

      1. Archbishop of Taunton 23 Apr 2012, 12:45pm

        Slavery is endorsed in the New Testament, as it was the norm in those days.

        However homosexual relationships are also endorsed in the New ( and Old ) Testaments, for example the curing by Jesus of the Centurion’s sick male lover.

      2. If they’re picking and choosing which bits to look at doesn’t that mean it can be ignored in it’s entirity?

      3. The Bible condones non of the afore-stated acts.

  2. The Gideon edition New Testament that was forced on me in my first year of secondary school (I was not allowed to opt out) is one of only two books in my whole life that I have ever thrown in the bin. I was bought up to respect books, and always have, but didn’t want to own the putrid thing.

    1. John Antobus 23 Apr 2012, 6:19pm

      I have to ask, Valsky, what was the other book?

    2. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:43am

      ‘Forced’ my arse! That has nothing to do with Gideons and everything to do with the school you went to…

      I find it very odd that you would talk about respecting ‘all’ books yet feel this one should be binned…

      …someone’s got a bit (!) of baggage there methinks…(and something tells me it has some large part to do with attending the kind of school which forces children to ‘take’ a copy of the Bible in the first place…)

      1. You anger issues are a real treat.

        Grow up.

  3. No where in the Bible is homosexuality condemned. Homosexual acts are condemned. Big difference.

    1. That is like saying that someone can be lefthanded but not use their left hand – meaningless!

    2. Archbishop of Taunton 23 Apr 2012, 12:47pm

      Actually gay relationships are endorsed in it.

    3. Well if you want to be precise, no actual ‘homosexual acts’ are specified either.

    4. Splitting hairs. The fact that it condemns homosexual acts is enough in it’s own. It also says the world is flat and held up by pillars, don’t believe everything you read.

      1. Except it doesn’t say that at all. And it isn’t splitting hairs at all. Because, if we use your logic, anyone who gets the urge to rape someone, but doesn’t, is by your standards a rapist.

        1. Homosexual sex is consent

          Rape is not consent

        2. “Because, if we use your logic, anyone who gets the urge to rape someone, but doesn’t, is by your standards a rapist.”

          That is called a factuality. To be exact, reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

          In short, its an absurd comparison.

          Especially as the bible condones rape [Deuteronomy 21:10-14 “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.]

          Religion=idiot=Adam it seems…..

    5. “No where in the Bible is homosexuality condemned. Homosexual acts are condemned. Big difference.”

      Well, I’ll agree to that when stupid people refrain from doing acts of stupidity. I have nothing against idiots like you, Adam, just your acts of stupidity….

    6. The Low IQ entertainment comment.

    7. There’s nothing wrong with homosexual acts though!

  4. The GPA are somewhat Christophobic.

    “An advert by the Gay Police Association has been banned after they were found guilty of making false claims that Christians were responsible for a sharp rise in ‘hate crime’ attacks on homosexuals.
    The organisation caused outrage witth an advertisement using images of blood and the Bible as the background to claims of a 74 per cent increase in attacks.
    However, the advertising watchdog today rules that the GPA breached codes covering truthfulness, accuracy and offence.
    The Advertising Standards Authority(ASA) said the GPA failed to back-up its startling figures of an increase in hate attacks. While it had unfairly implied that Christians are driven by religious motives to hate and abuse homosexuals.
    The ASA has banned the GPA from running the advertisement.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410967/Gay-Police-Association-banned-using-Christian-hate-crime-advert.html#ixzz1srLPqtR

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 12:40pm

      Well, C4M and its gang of hate mongers are homophobic when they alledge that equal civil marriage could herald polygamy, child marriage and incestuous relationships. If that’s not bearing false witness (one of the commandments) in the absence of proof I don’t know what is. It’s hatred, hypocrisy and homophobia combined. They need to provide the government with the evidence to support their disgustingly vile allusions that only incites more hatred and intolerance of gay people. Religious bigotry IS a hate motivator

    2. Is it any wonder? christianity is a horrible, sociopathic relgion founded on such sick and immoral doctrines as theism, original sin, vicarious forgiveness and eternal torment. It has only been by diminishing the impact of these horrid ideas that the religion has been neutered as a force for great evil in this world to the degree it has.

      1. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:47am

        That’s not actually true VP…

        Christianity is NOT ‘founded’ on those things…the early Church DECIDED to make those things foundational, in keeping with their own prejudices and bigotry.

        To do that, they had to create all kinds of un-godly nonsense and twist all kinds of common sense to make sense of the nonsensical…

        1. If the early church decided to make these things foundational then how is the religion NOT founded on them? The religion is whatever its adherents decide to make of it, and clearly they decided to make it something that depended heavily on horrid ideas such as theism, original sin, vicarious forgiveness and eternal torment. The vast majority of christians throughout history have assented to these nasty doctrines.

          Yes, there may be some christian people these days who don’t believe in them, but they are the exception rather than the rule. They’re much nicer people because of it, but if we are going to use broad group labels such as “christianity” then it would be dishonest to claim that their recent, tolerant, humanistic version of the religion best represents the religion as a whole. It does not.

    3. Now that does take the biscuit, someone inserting articles from the Daily Mail alleging bigotry on the part of the GPA. When I come on here I like to read stories that seek to recognise the issues we face as LGBT not the tripe that the DM put out.

    4. Christians are responsible. They introduced homophobia to Britain. The previous religious / political organisations didn’t have an issue with it.

      1. That’s actually very difficult to pin down. The attitudes of the pre-christian Anglo-Saxon and Celtic peoples towards homosexuality are difficult to recover, because they hardly ever mentioned it. But given that most iron-age warrior societies tended to be somewhat patriarchal in outlook I doubt tolerance and acceptance were widespread. Though as with all societies they come and go. Not even all medieval christians were deeply homophobic – in more bohemian, urban, sophisticated areas there was sometimes a good deal of tacit tolerance, if not exactly fulsome acceptance. William II of England was widely thought to be into men, and while later detractors would paint him as immoral and decadent because of it, at the time it wasn’t really seen as an issue.

    5. Iain

      The case you refer to with the GPA dates back to 2005/6. There have been no further claims to the ASA about the GPA, nor were there any prior complaints.

      There have been numerous complaints against Christian groups both before 2005 and since.

      One example here:
      http://asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2012/2/Healing-on-the-Streets_Bath/SHP_ADJ_158433.aspx
      Which was deemed to be misleading with no verifiable facts and potentially lead to false hope.

    6. Also currently both the Coalition for Marriage and CARE have complaints lodged against them regarding advertising.

      Anglican Mainstream narrowly missed facing ASA adjudication for their proposed buses advert that Boris banned.

      So, Iain less of the victim mentality – because the reality is the Christians are often the bullies.

    7. Actually, it was more like the ASA pandering to a well orchestrated campaign run by extremist Christian Groups such as the Christian Institute, Christian Voice and the Christian Party.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/oct/24/raceandreligion.religion

  5. I think the GPA is overreacting. As long as the Bibles are not officially issued to staff in any way, and are only given if requested, then it seems to me that the respective Forces should be able to accept any free gift they wish and dispose of it as they please – including pulping it.

    1. Archbishop of Taunton 23 Apr 2012, 12:53pm

      However it is not really a free gift, it is an act of evangelism to a statutory body. It’s not like Christian officers cannot afford, or would not already have a copy of the Bible. The purpose is to get them to people who would not otherwise bother.

      The question is, is it appropriate for a statutory body to take part in evangelising for any particular religion?

    2. But there’s no such thing as a ‘free gift’ – a gift is either a gift or it’s not. And there’s a reason why people in public office are discouraged from accepting gifts.

    3. Tim Hopkins 23 Apr 2012, 1:15pm

      As I understand it, the proposal is that the Bibles would be printed for each Police force with the force’s name and logo on the front. That would give a strong impression of endorsement by the force. The GPA are saying they have no problem with Bibles being made available to police staff by the Gideons, and being advertised in the staff newsletter for example. It is the effective official endorsement by forces that is the identified problem.

      1. I had overlooked that point, thank you. Printing and distributing the Bibles in such a manner would be completely unacceptable.

  6. The New Testament contains the Book of Revelations (a.k.a. Book of Apocalypse) and if you read it you will realize how sociopathic the entire thing is. Also, police should never endorse a religion that requires people who work on the Sabbath to be put to death to uphold the 2nd Commandment since police routinely work on the Sabbath, as for footballers, military, clergy who take paychecks, etc. If you take a highlighter and highlight all the passages that are insane in the bible (passages about killing disobedient children, selling daughters into slavery, poligamy among the so-called “heroes” of the bible, etc.) you get a very colorful book.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 12:33pm

      I agree! Isn’t it amazing how the polygamy nonsense crops up during the marriage equality consultation when it’s an invention of heterosexuals and condoned in the old testament? The religious nutters believe the bible is the word of god, yet they conveniently omit all of the nasty bits that would make their lives a living hell, but they’ll selectively use the Leviticus quote in the old testament to vilify, denigrate and discriminate against gay people with impunity. They’re all a bunch of hypocrites, lets face it and they can’t even be honest about what this is all about…. blatant homphobia. They hate us and wished we’d all disappear and they lie about it when they deny it when they claim they have gay friends or know gay people as if that exempts them from homophobia. It doesn’t.

    2. Archbishop of Taunton 23 Apr 2012, 12:55pm

      What’s in the book is irrelevant to the principle that statutory bodies should not be taking part in evangelism for any particular religion.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 12:27pm

    I have an idea for the GPA. Accept the bibles then dispose of them as they see fit even if the majority of them end up in the dustbin or burned. Then it can’t be accused of abusing religious freedom of the christo-fascists. In any event, it’s rather arrogant to assume that everyone should have a bible. Haven’t Gideon’s heard of freedom from religion too?

    1. Archbishop of Taunton 23 Apr 2012, 12:58pm

      Christians usually already have a copy. They have a right to evangelise, but not to expect a police force to do it for them.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 1:47pm

        Exactly!

    2. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 2:03am

      @Robert – youre missing the point of Gideons – as most people on here seem to be.

      THEY GIVE AWAY FREE BIBLES – THATS THEIR ‘THING’ – AND HAS BEEN FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS…

      Sheesh! (pun intended…)!

      1. So what? Let them give them away somewhere else. The police force is not the place.

        Sheesh indeed, back to your church, child.

  8. The police should be completely impartial and should not accept anything that could be misconstrued as being biased one way or the other.

    1. The police should stop BEING biased too.

    2. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 2:04am

      Thats daft – if anything they should be offering their officers copies of ALL Spiritual and/or Religious texts in order to bring about MORE balance…

      Police Officers are generally woefully dim to start with – anything that makes them question stuff would be a very good idea!

      1. “in order to bring about MORE balance…”

        What? Yeah, so we can have the old man with anger issues in the clouds, or the imaginary virgin, or the imaginary OTHER god that sits in another cloud that thinks the first god is wrong, or we can have the guy that sits down there who wants your imaginary soul to, er, feed fires or decorate his crib or something. Yeah, more religious books bring balance.

        Brian damaged at birth, or is it a recent occurrence?

    3. That’s impossible – if you are correctly usng the word ‘biased’ then WE ALL are biased one way or another – ALL of us. The is NOT that we should aim for what is quite lieterally impossibe – being ‘unbiased’.. but that we should weigh the pro’s and con’s of ideas, notions, and views – and adopt that which makes for a better society.

      A man was walking down the road and saw a vicar walking along the opposite side… the man shouted in a defaint voice..
      “..hey Vic.. what’s it like now all your churches are empty..??”..
      …the young man was not at all prepared for the response..

      the vicar stopped, looked at the man square-on and with sadness on his face replied.. “..what’s it like now all your prisons are full?”.

      Before you go slamming the Bible.. LOOK and UNDERSTAND what it is ACTUALLY propogating and teaching us.

  9. The Black Police officers association should be complaining too because of the racist content in the babble.

    I used to have to travel a lot and every hotel I stayed at, I removed the Gideon’s book and put in the rubbish bin – where it belongs.

    1. Should have burned it! LOL

      I agree, the Bible is racist as well

      1. Only fascists burn books. She should have recycled it

        1. Lumi is a fascist. Apparently trans people are “immoral” to her.

  10. And are atheist police officers going to get an embossed copy of ‘The God Delusion’?

    1. The religious ones would benefit from it more…

    2. de Villiers 23 Apr 2012, 2:30pm

      That book is poor. It fails to engage with any meaningful discussion of religion. Dawkins sets up false arguments as to the existence of god and then very easily knocks them down. There are far better works on the nature of god and religion.

      1. Oh, okay so. Lets all read the bible so, that’s full of real down to earth stuff and logical proof of the existence of a sky fairy.

        LOL!

        1. de Villiers 24 Apr 2012, 8:49am

          You have fallen in to the same trap as Dawkins. The suggestion of god as sky fairy can be dated and traced. It forms no meaningful description of the nature of divinity in any serious theology.

      2. It certainly isn’t as worthless and irrelevant as the bible though. That’s a complete piece of crap that has no relevance to the 21st century, other than as an ancient work of fiction..

        The whole notion of a ‘creator’ is so patently absurd and unproveable, that anyone who believes in an intelligent ‘higher power’ is clearly delusional.

        1. de Villiers 24 Apr 2012, 8:54am

          David, not only do we disagree but this amour violent can lead to one end only – and I am already in a PACS.

    3. I hope not, it’s one big strawman. He’s quick to blame religion for things but never attributes any of the beneficial thigns it’d one (there are some, the inspired charity work of the Catholic churche’s support of art for example),that’s just down to human behaviour. Can’t have it both ways.

      1. “He’s quick to blame religion for things but never attributes any of the beneficial thigns it’d one”

        But when religion makes such a fantastic effort in f***ing up humanity every time, why would we not look at that?

        1. We should, but you can’t atribute but things to religion and then say the good things can’t be attributed.

      2. Yeah let’s all admire the catholic church and their support for the arts and completely ignore the way they treat women (50% of the population) like substandard, second class citizens. Let’s also conveniently overlook the part they have to play in the African AIDS epidemic.

        Aren’t the catholic church just brilliant at charity work, just think of all the homeless people they help out with food and shelter (as long as they’re not LGBT ofcourse). And don’t let’s forget all the poor little orphans the church helps find loving parents (not gay parents, because obviously they’re better off in care than with two perverted queers for parents). But for God’s sake, whatever you do, dont mention the paedophile priests (sp?)

    4. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:48am

      lol I do hope not…

  11. In addition to the very valid concerns about religiously motivated homophobia, (which incites some people to murder, and drives others to commit suicide), there is now overwhelming evidence that the Bible is one steaming crock of Holy Sh*t: a small amount of historical fact, considerably distorted, plus cartloads of sick fantasy and anally retentive laws.

    Authors from many fields have written on this: archaeologists, egyptologists, historians, palaeolinguists, and a host of biblical scholars who began with the intention of verifying the Bible, until they came face to face with the evidence.

    Even the Church of England accepts that their religion is built, not upon a rock, or even upon sand, but on a very foul cess pit: as they admitted when I emailed them for a position statement in October. They just hope that “serious” faithists won’t dig too deep, while the majority of their fast-dwindling flock keep going to church and putting money in the collection plates.

    1. By coincidence, there’s a review published today about a book investigating the dubious origins of Islam.. —

      http://frontpagemag.com/2012/04/23/robert-spencer-asks-did-mohammad-exist/

      Robert Spencer

      “Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam’s Obscure Origins”

      1. Thanks, John, for the link to the review of Robert Spencer’s important and enlightening book. At a time when it is becoming an unthinkable taboo to challenge or even question any aspect of Islam, Spencer’s meticulous research is a breath of fresh air.

  12. If someone wants a free bible why not let them have one? To try to prevent other people living their lives their own way is something we should all be against. A bit more tolerance is called for from all parties. Yes, the bible condemns homosexuality, it condemns a lot of things. In fact, it condemns most things. At the end of the day, Christian people exist, why not allow them a free copy of their religious book. As long as they aren’t being forced onto people I see no issue. Live and let live.

    1. Tim Hopkins 23 Apr 2012, 1:22pm

      No-one has a problem with the Gideons offering free Bibles to police staff, and for example advertising their availability in the staff newsletter. But this is clearly intended to give the impression of official police force backing for the contents, because as I understand it the Gideons’ proposal is that each police force would receive Bibles that are printed with the force’s name and logo on the front cover, and the Bibles would be distributed to staff by the force itself, rather than by the Gideons. That impression of official force endorsement is clearly what the Gideons want, and is inappropriate for a religious text.

      1. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:51am

        I doubt it…
        Gideons have been giving away free Bibles for YEARS – they dont NEED ‘endorsements’ lol – this isnt some recently written book desperately in need of sales you know…

  13. The power of the Church and religion over all of us.

    Freedom of speech, choice and democracy etc are all being eroded in the name of Christianity.

    If not careful, we will be bringing back the Dark Ages

    1. de Villiers 23 Apr 2012, 2:31pm

      Do you really think that? Do you really think that in England we are likely to return to the Dark Ages?

    2. And in the name of terrorism or patriotism or whatever the buzzword is this week.

    3. “Freedom of speech, choice and democracy etc are all being eroded in the name of Christianity.”

      Actually they are being eroded in the name of “peace”. The British government is trying to claim increasing power over peoples’ private lives and to limit what can be said, so its them that are eroding free speech and such.

    4. Exactly

      If we follow Christianity, we’ll have slavery, no women’s rights, extreme racism, lots more murders, and no gay rights

      1. And if we follow you, we have persecution of those that YOU think are “evil”, like trans people.

        I have no time for gay bigots, especially stupid ones like you.

      2. Stupidity is not knowing what a simple thing like gender is! :)

        1. Stupidity is not knowing what a simple thing like Gender identity disorder is, especially when its recognised by medical science and physiology.

          Idiot is what you are because you keep going over he SAME nonsense over and over again, no matter what anyone tells you.

    5. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:52am

      @Radical53…This is complete bollocks…
      …’radical’ my arse!

  14. The Halcyon 23 Apr 2012, 3:19pm

    I think the branding is perhaps a bit much but there’s no reason the bible shouldn’t be allowed to be distributed to those who’d like a copy. The complaint by the GPA(S) & UNISON is without merit and forces the employer to choose one equality strand over another which would be illegal.

    If the Gideons want to make this gift available to all staff then that’s their choice; the bible isn’t a homophobic/biphobic tome, it’s just tbeen deliberately twisted by bigots through the ages for their own ends. Nobody is forcing individuals to accept said gift.

    1. Tim Hopkins 23 Apr 2012, 3:35pm

      The Gideons are free to offer free Bibles to police staff, and to anyone else they want to. They are also free to advertise the availability of the Bibles, just like any other advert. That’s freedom of religion in a free country.

      What the Gideons are not entitled to, in the GPA’s opinion (and I agree) is official endorsement by police forces, by having the force’s name and logo printed on the front cover and having the force itself distribute the Bibles.

      1. that’s the rub..

    2. Issuing Force Badged Bibles to staff probably is illegal and certainly choosing Christianity over any other equality strand.

  15. Whatever happened to tankards and carriage clocks? Much more practical than a bible!

  16. Paul Brownsey 23 Apr 2012, 3:23pm

    And while we’re at it (namely, challenging the Gideons), it’s pretty objectionable that in many hotels gays have to lay their heads to rest about two feet from a declaration that they are an abomination and to be killed.

    1. Tim Hopkins 23 Apr 2012, 3:38pm

      Presumably the hotel would take it away if one complained!

      1. Paul Brownsey 24 Apr 2012, 9:56am

        I sometimes remove the anti-gay pages and write, “Management has removed these pages out of consideration for our homosexual guests.”

  17. I was given a copy of the bible in primary school (state) by these people.

    I think that’s far more outrageous than giving one to a bunch of adults who can should have learned already, that their is no father Christmas and no magic man in the sky.

  18. This is so silly. Let the Gideon’s give bibles, let the bishop of Rome impart his ‘apostolic blessings’ who cares? The moment you restrict the liberties of others you open the door to having your own liberty restricted. Don’t behave as the bigots do or you aren’t any better than they. “Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding.”
    Mahatma Gandhi

    1. Taunton slapper Keith 23 Apr 2012, 7:37pm

      No one is stopping Gideon giving bibles/evangelising to people. The problem is when they delegate this to be done by a police force to it’s employees.

      1. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:54am

        As far as I understand it Gideons dont ‘evangelise’ – they JUST give out free Bibles – thats their ‘thing’…

  19. The GPA, according to the article, do not appear concerned about Gideon offering New Testaments to police staff, or say the Christian Police Association doing likewise. Their concern is Police Forces, as an employer, issuing Force New Testaments (with the Force Crest and name on the front) to staff and how that may be perceived as showing bias towards one faith group. I think it is a legitimate concern irrespective of whether it’s the GPA, UNISON or anyone else who raises it. Clearly this has not been properly thought out by those Chief Constables who have agreed to endorse these New Testaments.

    1. I suppose calling it the ‘King James’ Bible is an exception.

      1. Irrespective of the ‘translation’ (which is never very accurate since there was no word in Greek for ‘homosexual’) I imagine that the King James translation isn’t the Gideon version, more likely the New International Version. Still, it interprets the original Greek to mean ‘homosexual’ when in fact it doesn’t. Hence all the ‘debate’ about it within Christian theologians.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 7:48pm

          Gideons’s bibles originated in America over a 100 years ago and are found in a lot of hotel rooms. I stayed in a hotel in New York several years ago that I later found out was run by baptists. I opened the bedside table drawer and what did I find? A Gideon bible, same colour as the ones being distributed to the Police Forces.

  20. I think more than ever I am aware that Christian organisations are our biggest enemy in terms of trying to prevent us from being treated fairly.

    Their nasty opposition to marriage equality has really radicalised me. We need to oppose them at every opportunity.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 7:49pm

      I second that. They must be held accountable for their words and their actions, especially when their words are lies which we’ve seen with C4M and others.

  21. The anti gay Christians are using the police who are Christian to drive a wedge between the police and the LGBT people around the world, just like this hate group is doing in America, http://hrc.org/nomexposed

  22. Congratulations to those people who turned them down!

    The Bible is full of homophobia, sexism, murders, violence, racism, sacrifice, and other evils

    1. Oh yeah it’s also anti science and claims such things as
      -Humans were created from dirt
      -The universe was created in six days
      -All the animals in the world could fit on one average sized boat
      -A donkey can talk

      1. What would you know about science?

        You’re the same fool that uses religions words like “wrong” and “evil” and “immoral” to describe trans people – you’re as stupid, as dangerous and as bigoted as an religion.

      2. I know humans were not created from dirt
        I know that the universe is 13-14 billion years old
        I know all the animals in the world can’t fit on an average sized
        I know donkeys can’t talk

        It’s called COMMON SENSE

        I know a LOT more about science than people back when the Bible was written

        Wrong, evil, and immoral are based on conscience- you don’t need a book of fairy tales to tell you anything

        1. I doubt you know any of that other then you were told it. I doubt you know why. You are hardly schooled, that much is obvious. You’re bigot, and one thing bigots have in common is they are usually stupid.

        2. I actually do know quite a bit about science and evolution, as it interests me, thank you very much

          The only stupid person here is you for saying I need mental help when there are people out there that believe in fairy tales

          1. “The only stupid person here is you for saying I need mental help when there are people out there that believe in fairy tales”

            Really?

            Let me quote you:- “People on here who support immoral things like transgenderism and polygamy are the ones that don’t know what they’re talking about.”

            I think you’re the dirty little backwater bigot who need mental help here, sweetie…. did you mommy drink and smoke when she was pregnant with you?

            “I actually do know quite a bit about science and evolution, as it interests me,”

            Being interested is not knowing. You do not understand your own religious bigotry, thats how stupid you are. You do not sound like you even finished school, let alone a college.

          2. Those comments are all very stupid ;-)

            I still do not get how someone who encounters bigotry in their own life (like Lumi) think its acceptable to condemn another because of the way they were born. The bullied become the bullies.

            I think Lumi enjoys transprejudice. Transprejudice is a similar term to transphobia, and refers to the negative valuing, stereotyping, and discriminatory treatment of individuals whose appearance and/or identity does not conform to current social expectations or conventional conceptions of gender.

      3. Virgin births
        Evil apples
        Talking snakes
        Walking on water
        Raising from the dead
        Visions
        Ghost
        Turning water into wine
        Wine into blood and bread into meat and then eating it
        Messages from a buning bush
        Impregnating of a woman by a god through an angel ( one way to deny it you never gave it up or it is not my child)

        It would be completely hilarious, if it was not so horrible.

  23. If it was offered to me I’d take one and burn it

    1. A typically intelligent thing for you do do, Lumi. I’m surprised a health professional hasn’t put mittens connected with strings on you yet.

    2. Of course I’d want to burn a book that’s caused so much harm over the years and treats me less for being homosexual and a woman, as well as so much evil in it

      Anybody that believes in the Bible needs to get mental help

      1. You need to get “mental help” my dear, its not normal to utter the bollox you come out with. You sound no better then this basket case Keith here does.

        Come back to us when you get that help.

      2. Transgenderism isn’t normal, I am

        Thank you

        1. Nope, you gopt that wrong:-

          Transgenderism is normal, you are not.

          You are just a fool who thinks you deserve equality but wont give it to others. What would a fool like you know what is “wrong” and “right”? What right do you have to condom others as “wrong”? Yeah, that’s right, you’re a bigot no better then the twisted Christians like Keith here.

          You’re a disgrace to humanity and the gay movement.

          Thanks you.

        2. Transgenderism is NOT normal. Getting a surgery and taking hormones to attempt to change your gender due to a mental illness is NOT normal.

          I deserve equality because homosexuality is not a choice and is not harmful.

          Transgenderism is wrong because it’s attempting to change your natural gender and lying about your natural gender.

          I am not a disgrace to humanity, you know NOTHING else about me. I’m not a disgrace to the gay movement because I’m GAY and i support GAY AND BI rights.

          1. I*

          2. “Getting a surgery and taking hormones to attempt to change your gender due to a mental illness is NOT normal.”

            You are one f-ing idiot, aren’t you?

            Gender Identity Disorder is the psychological diagnosis used to describe a male or female that feels a strong identification with the opposite sex and experiences considerable distress because of their actual sex. Its is recognised scientifically and medically.

            So bloody what if you do not understand it, it only means you’re uneducated. The fact it is recognised condition medically but not by you (like that matters), means only you are a bigot.

            “I am not a disgrace to humanity, you know NOTHING else about me.”

            I know enough about you to know you’re basically a filthy bigot and an idiot. I doubt anything else would impress me about you.

            “I’m not a disgrace to the gay movement because I’m GAY and i support GAY AND BI rights.”

            We do not tolerate bigots in the gay movement, especially gay bigots, they’re the worst.

          3. For goodness sake Lumi get yourself educated! Spouting crap like this only confirms your stupidity & bigotry. “natural gender”? “lying”? Do you really think trans people would go through all the drama, hurt & pain of transitioning if it wasn’t to undo the lie of having to live with the wrong gender?

  24. Can someone pleas tell me what sort of made up word “homosexualitis” is supposed to be?

    I mean, its sounds like someone with brain damage made it up.,… that can’t be right, can it?

  25. “police forces of Scotland of free Bibles branded with each one’s badge”

    Eh?

    What was that supposed to mean?

    Are you speaking in tongues now, or just the natural result of your illiteracy?

  26. There’s no such things as homosexualitis
    Even so, I’m not suffering at all!

    1. Plus there is not authenticity or veracity of the Bible

      It’s a book made up to brainwashing you into follow it’s evilness, it was made up to control you

      1. ex-gays shoudl not be in gays sites 23 Apr 2012, 8:12pm

        Usually said by someone that has never understood it or is aware of the prophecies are self-delusional bollox such as the fall of Babylon and destruction of Jerusalem.

      2. I’ve read the Bible, the entire Bible. I used to be Christian.

        I suggest you read
        truth-saves
        godisimaginary
        skepticsannotatedbible
        evilbible

        (all dot com websites)

      3. I thought you said you weren’t a christian Keith ?

      4. @Harry

        He claims he believes in the Bible but isn’t a Christian. Not sure how God would feel about that one though

      5. “I thought you said you weren’t a christian Keith ?”

        Yeah, but you have to remember Harry, he’s not a christian, but is sometimes, he’s not ex-gay, but “knows” what “sinful” things we do, he’s not stupid but he can’t write, he’s not drunk, but can’t type a coherent line, he just wants to give an opinions, but flies into fits of rage where he insults like a tantrum throwing child, he thinks he’ clever, but obviously never went to school, he thinks he’s winning, but all the while he’s failing….

        ….he sounds crrrrraaaazy to me, Harry :)

      6. @Will, Kris

        Well I believe in the bible, in fact I have proof that it exists. A simple trip to any branch of Waterstones will confirm this TRUTH. As an ethical guide, historical narrative, or even literature, it is shockingly bad though.

        I am beginning to wonder if Keith and David Skinner are one and the same person, the language each employs is very similar, and they seem to share very similar obsession. I wonder if the ‘S’ alias Keith employed is really short for Skinner.

        But as you said, mad as a March hare.

      7. S I believe is Sall. Our “atheist” friend who employs the exact same arguments as our “not so atheist friends”

        I actually believe Keith is just the one person(though with his multiple IDs). He’s the only one who really goes full on with the homophobic insults, the rest just seem to try to antagonise

      8. So care to share with us a prophecy that hasn’t yet come true Keith ?

  27. That post makes almost as little sense as speaking in tongues

  28. Damn right they should reject this ‘offer’.

    Bible is a horrible book imo.

  29. The police badges are public property and shouldn’t be used. Did they get permission to use them? If not they should be forced to scrap them. You need permission to use artwork like a police badge because someone somewhere will have control of the copyright. Either someone has wrongly given permission or they have illegally used the artwork, which is it?

  30. I don’t get it. Those people who genuinely want a New Testament or Bible, probably already have one.

    How can Grampian Police (and any other forces who may have accepted this offer) justify this? They are supposed to demonstrate that they act without fear or favour and with impartiality. Surely this looks much more like an endorsement of the Bible – which is a bad move for a police service IMHO

  31. @Keith

    You are right. It’s hard not to embrace authenticity and veracity like this:

    “Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee”

    Wise words indeed.

  32. The GPA should also be aware that the bible is against lying and bearing false witness.

    http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2006/10/Gay-Police-Association/TF_ADJ_41843.aspx

    1. You’ll be against all forms of lying and bearing false witness Iain:

      http://asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2012/2/Healing-on-the-Streets_Bath/SHP_ADJ_158433.aspx

      I wonder if you could let us know a christian web site where we could post comments, and so return the kind favour you have just done us ?

      1. Yes, I have actually posted on the complainants blog that I agreed with her on this issue .And that I felt that HOTS were misleading people.
        There was some good discussion on this issue on http://godandpoliticsuk.org/ So you may like to post some comments there.

    2. “The GPA should also be aware that the bible is against lying and bearing false witness.”

      And you should be aware the bible is full of contradictions, fallacies, and a disturbing tenancy to condone rape and murder.

      Now, only a fool would think this is a book worth basing a legal and social system on….. you not a fool, are you?

  33. @Lumi

    I would imagine that Keith is fully of the holy spirit, or some kind of spirit anyway.

  34. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:40am

    This is of course nonsense – the bits in the bible which ‘condemn homosexuality’ are in fact highly debatable – and much scholar opinion challenges the bigoted traditional highlighting/view of those texts…

    I don’t see how having Gideon offer free Bibles should be seen as a bad thing…to be honest it would be a bloody good idea to have all Police Officers given copies of all the world’s Spiritual Texts (it might just inspire balance in their thinking in dealing with different people for a welcome change…)

    To be honest I can’t see how their suggestion of the very same Bibles being donated instead thru the Christian Officer’s group would make any difference at all…

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Apr 2012, 2:15am

      Balance. From religious texts. You are joking.

      1. I know, what a fool. Maybe a staircase fell on his head?

    2. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to the article details. The ‘condemn homosexuality’ quote refers to individuals who contacted the GPA with a concern that their employer (a public sector police force) was endorsing a book which (they claim) contains text condemning homosexuality. Whether that concern is valid or not, clearly for some it is, is not the issue.
      Gideon’s do offer free bibles. Again that is not the issue.
      The concern is the perception that a New Testament being issued by the police force (with the force badge and force name on the front) is therefore being endorsed by the force.
      Public sector organisations, such as the police are, should not be seen to be promoting or foisting any religion on its staff.
      By taking the employer out of the equation altogether, does make a difference and would allow those who want a New Testament to contact Gideon direct or through a third party, like the Christian Police Association.

  35. Staircase2 24 Apr 2012, 1:56am

    Once again the Pink News Massive jumps on the knee-jerk bandwagon…

    Doesn’t matter what the subject does it? You lot are still a reactionary bunch of knee-jerk hot-heads desperate to use every single article as a way to demonstrate and express your own reactionary prejudices…

    Bloody well grow up people – for fcvks sake!

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Apr 2012, 2:19am

      You are the one screaming hell and high water all over this forum at yourself.

      Most of us are in bed with a view of work in the morning.

      Perhaps you should do the same!

    2. “You lot are still a reactionary bunch of knee-jerk hot-heads”

      And yet you are the one with the histrionic comment. Funny that.

  36. Keith’s disgusting comments have been removed from the forum again.

    Whilst this is welcome, I hope Pink News are preserving them, so that they can be seen by other people as an example of what homophobes actually think and do.

  37. David Fairley 24 Apr 2012, 12:49pm

    If books were disseminated to police in which non-white members of society were categorised as disordered and depraved, non-white members of society would rightly have cause for concern. The logic crosses to all conceivable categories of society that might be described as disordered and depraved. A paraphrase of what was said is this:
    In light of the current situation with regards to the future Super Police Force, we wish to offer you police friendly, homosexuality denigrating books, with both our logos on them…
    This reeks of a capitalistic amalgamation for future market domination. In Christian mythology, our debts were paid and our souls were bought by Christ being tortured and murdered. This means that there is precedent for the buying and selling of “us”, and sadly the potential brutalisation and eradication of any of ‘us’.
    By a heterosexual by the way

  38. and so the “debate” goes on and on and on, whilst diverifying into areas which are not part of the issue.
    This is about the issuing of the Gideons Bible to staff and civilian members of the Scottish Police Forces, whilst using the official badge and obtaining distribution via the police force. It isn’t about the content of the book, so why it’s being brought into this discussion is anyone’s guess.
    For information, Central Police have put the matter in the hands of the Christian Police Association, to determine if they wish to take up the offer. So to that extent, it is NOT Central Police who have endorsed or approved the supply to their staff.
    I have intimated my concerns to the relevant bodies, that any Police Force should NOT take up this offer, and if any person in the force wishes a bible, they are freely available.

    1. Well said Allana
      Looks like you at least understood the article.

  39. Contraversial 29 Apr 2012, 11:37pm

    If the bible is a fairy tale, a waste of time, etc – isn’t it a great thing that every police officer can read it for free, and make their own minds up. Rather than ban this (which is a very intolerant thing to do), welcome it with open arms. Get people to read the whole of the new testament end to end, and then they will have all the evidence to make a decision.

    (Actually when reading this stuff, the irony, is that it doesn’t endorse much of the hetrosexual behaviours either. )

  40. Barry Knott 2 May 2012, 8:29am

    Our country is founded on Christian belief. The police service was begun by the Christian activist Robert Peel and its principles are taken direct from the Bible. Our laws are enforced with tolerance and forgiveness, Our schools, hospitals etc all established by Christians against a wave of narrow minded and misguided noisy minorities. In my view it is offensive to dismiss the Bible when it provides the very freedom to do so.

    1. So do you agree, or disagree, that police forces should issue Bibles containing the Force Badge and name to its staff? Stick to the point!

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