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Cutting Edge Consortium: Faithful, secularists and humanists resolve to confront religious right

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  1. Craig Denney 23 Apr 2012, 1:37pm

    “Holtam described how a discussion with sixth formers at a local school made him realise how ridiculous the Church’s position on homosexuality”

    I would like to see the Bishop of Salisbury start an LGBTQI youth group and employ youth workers from the THT to run it.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2012, 2:17pm

    What is the church’s view of homophobic bullying in schools and young gay teens committing suicide? Does it reach out? NO! Does it take responsiblity for institutionalised homophobia that it helped promote around the world? NO!

    That said, I’m glad the Bishop and others are speaking out to counter the religious extremism that has taken root in the country. Let’s hope they’re successful in eradicating it for good. It has no place in a democracy.

    1. Sarbat (LGBT Sikhs) were also present at the event along with a representative from the Buddhist and Christian faiths at a workshop on multifaith perspectives on LGBT matters. It was well received by the attendees, and issues such as Jewish and Pagan attitudes to same-sex relationships were discussed by audience members from those communities.

  3. Using ‘faith’ instead of ‘religion’ is itself giving a privileged treatment to religion. I’m tired of being called a faithless individual because I don’t believe in the supernatural. Pink News falls into this trap by continuing to use this insult by unquestioningly using this term. Look at the headline of this piece. ”Faithful”! Stop this craven pandering.

    1. chris lowcase 23 Apr 2012, 5:48pm

      i think you’re over thinking the term a bit. i tend to use ‘faith’ instead of religion and i dont mind the term implying that i have no faith. i have no faith after all. i just dont think the term has any negative reflection on atheists.

      faith is easier to use because its a broader term.

  4. These oppressive religious right people need to be confronted,

  5. David Waite 23 Apr 2012, 6:54pm

    A terrific article about what seems to have been a great conference. I’m also glad that Adrian Tippetts pointed out the flaw in the Q.C.’s argument, and used the occasion to call out the BBC. I hope the inartful phrase “men’s souls and women’s bodies” came from the mouth of Aidan O’Neil.

  6. Nice work, Adrian.

    1. Agreed, nice article Adria, good to see your writings on PN again!

  7. The elephant in the room is of course Islam, which hates fags.

    This article pretends there are the same problems with all religion – which is not the case.

    The Christians in our part of the world are not a problem, they are moving in the right direction.

    But not muslims. This should really only be about muslim homophobia, because that is the real problem here.

    1. “But not muslims. This should really only be about muslim homophobia, because that is the real problem here.”

      This is incorrect. All religions to some degree are conservative and all have elements of right wing ideologies on their fringes. To single out one religion, its a mistake, and a stupid one. Its is the law of certain countries that use religion as an excuse to hang gay people, but there are moderates and liberals in all religions, and the key to achieving civil liberties in every society is mobilising them against the right wing element who seek dominations for their own gain.

    2. Martin, how many Muslim people do you know, in round figures? This article pretends no such thing. It reports on what was said at an event.

      I refer you to a previous article of mine. Follow up each of the links I give in it, and then come and tell me in which direction things are moving.

    3. That’s a massive generalisation. I was raised by CofE parents and went to Church every Sunday until my early 20’s. I have several muslim friends & I don’t see the cross section of views on LGBTs of their families to be much different to my own fairly middle of the road family.

      Personally I think right now anti-gay people within the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches are the biggest threat. Of all the religions they have the most power in this country and many of those in its higher echelons are doing everything they can to use it to block gay marriage, by trouncing out opinions I’d previously told myself were starting to vanish. It may be only 10% of the population that regularly attend Church but a far greater number identify as Christian (even if it’s only for weddings funerals and bad turbulence on a plane ride) and Carey, Sentamu, O’Brien et al are taking full advantage of the common sub-conscious misconception that religion is the same as good traditional ways and values.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Apr 2012, 2:23pm

        Unless the more progressive people in government and outside of government confront them head-on, then yes, they will prevail. There is very little positive support being reported in the media while they get unlimited access to newspapers, the BBC. This consortium didn’t get much coverage. I suspect there is a conspiracy to not promote equal marriage throughout the UK. They all seem to be on the same page with the exception of the Guardian and the Times although both don’t seem to be as pro-active as they could be. I’m uneasy about the entire debate. Unless there is more positive support by public opinion, I just don’t see how we’ll win. There are a lot of apathetic lazy thinkers in our society who just can’t be bothered because it really doesn’t affect them directly. That’s partly a failure on our part to organise, unite and aggressively put some teeth into the campaign. We weren’t ready for the onslaught we’re now seeing. I just hope it’s not too late. We have one video due to be released tomorrow. A good start but it can’t stop there. One video won’t do anything and having only one national LGBT organisation, StonewallUK, doesn’t help much either. We should have had more equality organisations involved long before the consultation began. C4M planned their campaign for months and months. They’re better organised, well funded and persistent. We’re not.

        1. Excellent points, Robert.

        2. My thoughts exactly.

        3. make sure you and all your friends respond to the government consultation on marriage equality.

  8. Robin Evans 24 Apr 2012, 1:11am

    Some sanity at last…

  9. Kibirango A 25 Apr 2012, 6:49pm

    The conference was so good, however no resolution was adopted by the conference to tackle the on going homophobic campaigns in the 41 countries by different religious denominations especially Uganda and Nigeria. I would also suggest for the next conference to have a workshop specifically about the christian LGBT people facing persecution in developing countries.

    1. Magniloquence 27 Apr 2012, 10:14am

      What are ‘Christian LGBT people’? Are they like ‘kosher pork chops’?

  10. Magniloquence 27 Apr 2012, 9:37am

    Why do gays want to get married in a church? What is wrong with a civil ‘marriage’?

  11. The real problem is the muslim-homophobia, which often results in violence against us gays. Here is the proof, that muslims are by far the most homophobic group in our societies:

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