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Anti-marriage equality MSP expelled over abuse claims returns to Holyrood

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  1. The stupid old duffer should have no say in modern politics. He is a bigoted wife beater! The SNP did the right thing in expelling him that’s for sure!

    1. Yes, but it’s a pity they didn’t seem to mind his homophobia!

  2. He’s harking on about how straight marriage is somehow ‘better’ than ‘gay marriage’… he’s clearly addicted to marriage… how many has he had now?

  3. Dr Robin Guthrie 18 Apr 2012, 4:33pm

    ” anything that puts homosexual relationships as any way equal to male-female marriages is just not right.”

    Why?

    Please show us your reasoning.

    “It’s is just not right” is no reason for denying anything.

    1. Battering your wife and kids is just not right!

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 18 Apr 2012, 4:48pm

        Too true…

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Apr 2012, 5:10pm

      Of course, he’d have to include childless hetero marriages where one is either infertile or just doesn’t want to procreate. It’s the penis in the vagina nonsense that the old codgers just can’t get beyond which isn’t the primary reason for marrying, at least civil marriage isn’t.

    3. Centurion 3 Jun 2012, 9:42pm

      The male and female genitals are designed for reproduction in order to ensure the survival of the species. The expression “illogical” is probably more appropriate than “just not right”.Centurion

  4. The thing is, I don’t think anyone can stop him from sitting where he likes, within reason. The parties sit in groups but MSPs don’t have specific seats, except for the party leaders.

    In fact, it’s funny to watch First Minister’s questions to see which unknown MSP has grabbed the seat behind Alex Salmond so they’ll be on telly!

    But he could simply sit on a seat next to the SNP MSPs and I don’t think anyone can stop him.

    1. @BennieM

      Maybe you can enlighten me on this, as I am not totally au fait with Holyrood procedures.

      I imagine that Hollyrood based their procedures on Westminster to an extent, and thus if someone was expelled from the government party they would have to “cross the floor”. I appreciate the layout of Holyrood is somewhat different to Westminster, but having been expelled from the SNP, he presumably loses the whip and presumably has to seat elsewhere within the parliamentary seats?

      1. I’m no expert either, but he can just sit in any empty seat if he wishes, I think. There are 131 seats altogether in the chamber and 129 MSPs – 128 once you discount the Presiding Officer. So even if every other single MSP is there, there will be 4 empty seats for Bill Walker to chose from – if my maths is correct! I suppose it depends exactly how the other MSPs arrange themselves, where these empty seats will be. But if any of these empty seats are next to the SNP group, then he could sit in it.

        If anyone knows anything more about this than I do (which isn’t much!) then please let us know!

        1. I’ve had a wee quick look on the Scot Parl website, but can’t find anything. This Wikipedia entry does give some info, although I can’t guarantee it’s accuracy!

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament

          1. Interesting

            Presumably Walker has to move away from the central seats.

            Given the presiding officer is SNP ….

          2. I suppose he really should sit next to Margo McDonald, the other independent – although I don’t wish her any harm!

            But I don’t exactly know where the empty seats will be. For all I know, they could fall between the SNP and the Lib Dems, for example, and Bill Walker could sit in one, thus being “in” the SNP group.

            I honestly don’t know how the MSPs arrange themselves apart from their groups. I don’t even think they even have specific seats within their grouping, except for the big-wigs, of course!

            I’ve seen plenty of backbenchers sitting in the 2nd row right behind Salmond during First MInister’s Questions, who’ve obviously got there earlier to bag a good seat and be on the telly!

          3. He apparently turned up to the chamber this afternoon just before MSPs voted on the Scotland Bill. The news didn’t say where he sat.

            He has also been accused of rape too, which I didn’t know about. Of course, according to him, it’s all a conspirancy against him!

            Here’s a video on the STV website from a couple of days ago. What disappoints me is the constituents of Bill Walker’s who speak to camera and who seem to support him.

            http://news.stv.tv/politics/303631-expelled-msp-claims-he-is-victim-of-conspiracy/

          4. It could be a conspiracy – but somehow I very much doubt that.

            Domestic violence, Sexual assault, homophobia – all forms of bigotry that speak of arrogant, egotistical chauvinistic attitudes.

  5. How about they clear out his office and change the locks on the office door. This is what any other employer would do.

  6. I contacted my constituency SNP MSP to ask why they did nothing when Bill Walker was homophobic yet acted so quickly when these violence allegations were made. She replied,

    “Personal opinions provided during a consultation do not constitute discrimination.”

    It’s a pity for Bill Walker that these allegations of violence didn’t come out during a consultation on domestic violence!

    1. the idea of an MP is not that they provide ‘personal opinions’ they are a servant of the public and should be offering their constituent’s opinions, not representing their constituency with their own opinions.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Apr 2012, 5:13pm

        Instead, someone like Walker wouldn’t respect the wishes of his constituents even if the majority were in support of equal marriage. He’d still vote against it and against them.

    2. The excuse given by my MSP above could be used under any circumstances in theory. For example, could an MSP get away with making racist comments during a consultation on race legislation? Or would the SNP kick them straight out of the party?

      It’s worth pointing out that as well as getting rid of Bill Walker immediately once these violence allegations came out, the SNP also suspended a council candidate in Lanarkshire who made “inappropriate comments” about 2 catholic midwives. He’s since resigned from the party.

      It seems to me, though, that bigotry of any kind is unnacceptable and dealt with immediately in the SNP unless it is homophobic.

  7. he’s been kicked out from the SNP that office is no longer his. just saying.

  8. Dr Robin Guthrie 18 Apr 2012, 4:47pm

    Interesting story over at the Scotsman.

    The Muslim Imams are now calling for gay marriage to be stopped.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-council-elections-muslims-urged-not-to-vote-for-candidates-who-back-same-sex-marriage-1-2241228

    1. they need to stfu because they will be the next target of the christians.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Apr 2012, 5:16pm

      I wonder if they would call for an end to polygamy in some of the islamic countries where it is legal? Polygamy is banned in most countries and of course, is an uniquely heterosexual phenomenon. Kind of debunks C4M’s contention that equal civil marriage would herald polygamous relationship when it is heterosexuals who invented it.

  9. Anti-gay Christians like to use black propaganda to make gays look bad much like they did in world war two germany before they murdered them. that is what the anti-gay Christians want to do today.

  10. Welcome back Mr Walker, please do continue your free speech views, Pink Unlimited dont believe in Free Speech it all has to focus on if it would offend, but that is the whole point, Free Speech is not just about nice comments.

    1. How much Pink News do not believe in free speech – is that they give bigots like Aiden a platform for his bigotry!

      1. Exactly, Karl.

        Its a self defeating argument to say that a website that allows people like Aiden to make their bigotted points is against freedom of speech.

        Does the Christian Institute website? No
        Does Anglican Mainstream? No
        Does the BNP? No
        Does UKIP? No (they don’t even respond to reasonable questions on policy!)
        Does EDL? No

        Yet he seeks to claim that Pink News does not believe in freedom of speech – but spouts his ignorance repeatedly. What he really means is, he wants to stop Pink News’ freedom of speech and that of its readers because our existance offends him.

        Tough we are here, and we are here to stay, and marriage here we come!

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Apr 2012, 8:32pm

          It begs the question, assuming he is straight, which i doubt. why would any secure, well adjusted heterosexual even bother trolling a gay site anyway? Considering that C4M is so concerned about preserving marriages and admits the alarming hetero divorce rate is out of control, why aren’t any of them working to help those broken marriages? It proves they’re not really interested in preserving it at all. All they want is power to promote homophobia and the UK turned into a theocracy. Not much different from the Taliban and those other backward Islamic regimes, in fact they have a lot in common, the elimination of LGTB people altogether if they could get away with it.

          1. AIden also claims he wants to eradicate Britain of non-white people!

            To quote him “Minorities do not matter!”

            Strange when he belongs to several!

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Apr 2012, 7:41pm

      You might think differently if the shoe were on the other foot and YOU were on the receiving end of discrimination and in some cases your very life threatened because of it. Hateful rhetoric against an ethnic group in the UK would elicit public uproar and condemnation. Sexual orientation is immutable, religious fanaticism and terrroism aren’t, a chosen lifestyle. Nobody is born religious or violent, both are learned behaviour.

    3. P!ss off, W@nk3r.

  11. Bill (Scotland) 18 Apr 2012, 10:11pm

    Democracy is hard sometimes, but it is clear that MPs at Westminster and Constituency MSPs at Holyrood (‘list’ MSPs are different), represent only the constituents who elected them, NOT the political parties under whose banner they stood at election-time.

    So whilst Walker has been expelled by the SNP, quite correctly in the circumstances (I am not a supporter of the SNP, btw), he still has the right to sit at Holyrood until and unless some ‘recall’ procedure is put in place to allow those constituents who wish to challenge him to do so, until the next Holyrood elections come around.

    I dislike intensely what this homophobe and alleged ‘wife-beater’ stands for, but that is the harsh reality of the way our democracy is run, until and unless some ‘recall’ procedure is put in place.

    1. Surely an MP or MSP represents everyone in their constituency not just those who elected them?

      What about the people who voted for because he was the SNP candidate and they wanted an SNP representative? There should be a rule or law where a by-election should be called if the MP/MSP/Councillor etc. is expelled from or leaves the party they were in at the time they were elected.

    1. Fabulous.

      He should do the decent thing and cause a by-election.

      1. Bill Walker do the decent thing? You may as well expect hell to freeze over, Stu! That sorry excuse for a human being hasn’t done a decent thing in his life – apart from divorcing each battered wife.

        1. I know.

          I didn’t say he would do the decent thing – just that he should.

          1. Yes, I know. I was trying to make a joke out of a pretty sorry situation. I was pleasantly surprised to read in the Scotsman article that he was shunned by the other MSPs. Maybe they are human after all!

          2. @BennieM

            Sorry missed my smiley ;-)

          3. BennieM

            I think Bill Walker is the joke

          4. You’re right about that, Marius, and he’s a sick joke at that!

  12. Why are my comments not going through?

    1. Ah they have appeared – although not in order … hey!

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