Anti gay Christian psychiatrist are the people who are behind this “gay cure” scam, they will always go for the money before they do anything for anybody, in fact they tell you they can help you when in fact they do more harm than good. These fakes who push pills that kill people or the people on their psychiatry pills kill other people like the students who take guns to school to kill their mates. Most of them are on these pills or were taking them before they kill their school mates. Psychiatrist work with the anti gay Christians to make a fake gay cure that a scam to make money and cause children to kill themselves for being gay. These anti gay Christian psychiatrist belong in prison for crimes against humanity. Report them to the police when you find them and sue them out of business to stop them before they kill anymore children with their quack cures mixed with pray the gay away nonsense that has been proven to not work and is harmful to those they use it on. Stop these mad men!
He collaborated in a scheme that harmed a lot of vulnerable LGBT people. I will raise a glass when the odious scrote topples from his perch, may it be soon.
So called ex-gay therapy is a scam to extort the gullible and ignorant, it doesn’t work, all it does is shove people back in to the closet to live in misery.
‘To meet the required standard of “heterosexual functioning”, Dr Spitzer, who was himself instrumental in declassifying homosexuality as a disorder in the US in 1973, measured them against five criteria.’
Sounds to me like his part in gay equlity is a little more ambivalent then the headline might suggest.
Declassifying homosexuality as a disorder was pretty revolutionary at the time, it’s just a shame he went and undid all his good work by handing the anti-gay lobby a stick to beat us with later.
That is the long and short of it… yea.
In the last few months we’ve had (1) Alan Chambers of Exodus International (the American “ex-gay” umbrella organization) publically admitting that “99.9%” of people who try to change from gay to straight fail to do so; (2) John Smid admitting that in all the 22 years that he ran Love In Action (Exodus International’s oldest established “ex-gay” ministry) he never met a homosexual man who became heterosexual; and (3) the author of the study appealed to time and again by the “ex-gay” lobby pulling the rug from under them. I’m reminded of the title of Chapter 5 of “The Hound of the Baskervilles”: “Three Broken Threads”.
I hope Professor Glyn Harrison, from Bristol University has read this.
I believe much of his view about gay cure therapy being accurate and scientifically valid is based on a combination of Spitzers work (now retracted) and Exodus Internationals work (now seen as invalid and untrue).
Of course, he is so indoctrinated that he will continue to claim its true – although event he questionable evidence he claimed support his views are now being retracted or proven to be malicious, false and biased.
I think this is a case of a liberal man who through academic curiosity conducted a study that has come back to haunt him in the way it has been used by others to justify their “work”.
Foolish, yes. Hateful, no.
Yes indeed, he clearly wanted to retract without any external pressure to do so. Perhaps he didn’t want to go to his grave knowing the mischief this particular piece of could have caused?
I’m LGBT identified and I would have done this study as well. First of all there is an academic curiosity, and more importantly the result could have been really useful for the LGBT cause. If he did this paper and showed that people’s sexual behavior didn’t change, it would have been very strong proof that the therapies were junk. His results didn’t turn out that way so he published what he found, which I support because I don’t think scientists should ever lie about results.
However I do wish he would have conducted follow up studies based on the criticism and showed that although the behavior can be changed, the attraction doesn’t and the denial of that attraction causes harm. But still I don’t think his study was done out of malice.
HETERSEX;UALS ARE POLLUTANTS AND CANCERS TO ALL SOCIETY, THEY ARE THE ONLY RACE AND GENDER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DEMON POSSESSED AND NON HUMANE, AND NONE CIVILIZED, THEY HAVE BEHAVIORS WORST THAN ANIMALS AND MORE DANGEROUS THAN ANY BEAST THIS SIDE OF HEAVE, W;HICH MAKES THEM THE GREATEST BEAST OF ALL, YOU DONT NEED TO STUDY GAY PEOPLE YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR OWN GODDAM HETERSEXUAL DANGEROUS RACE OF PEOPLE THE GAY COMMUNITY ;HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE BEST GENDER THE SAFEST GENDER, AND THE MOST FAMILIY OREINTED GENDER, JUST READ THE DEVORCEES ANS SEE WHY THE MEN ARE BEING DEVORCED , JUST LOOK AT THE M;URDER SECTIONS , AND RAPES SECTIONS IN THE MEDIA, YOU CANNOT HIDE THE LIES YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BRAINWASH OTHERS TO IGNORE THE DEMONS IN AND FROM THE HETERSEXUAL WORLD, WE WOULD HAVE ;A BEAUTIFUL GOOD WORLD AND SAFE IT WAS NOT FOR THE GODDAM HETERSEXUAL MEN ANS SOME OF THE HETERSEXUAL WOMEN, BIGOTS AN MURDERS, LIARS, DECEITFUL BITCHES AND WITCHES, RAPPEST AND MURDERS, INCESTERS ., OTHER POLLUTANTS,
Carrie, just put a sock in it, why don’t you?
Can I have some of what you’ve been smoking Carrie?
By the look of that post I suspect Carrie has been at the Jenkem.
Unfortunately, Carrie ingested it instead of smoking it, had a bad reaction and just vomited it back up all over the comments section.
The frustration I have with this whole gay-cure BS is that it takes a binary view of sexuality which is BS in itself – the vast majority of people are bi-sexual to varying degrees so it’s entirely possible to simply shift a person’s focus. The criteria was quite laughable, I mean: “not think about another person of their sex more than 15% of the time they were sleeping with an opposite sex partner.” So while screwing your wife’s butt for 20 minutes, it’s ok to imagine it’s a man’s for the last 3 minutes ;-)
So some gays can change from gay to straight.
Yes, if they let themselves get entrapped into a sham marriage.
Which is happening a lot now because of gay rights.
Even if it’s retracted the damage is done, the Aidens and Matts and Keiths of this world will continue to trumpet this ‘research’ as gospel.
It being retracted is a good thing – publishing the malicious and biased research in the first instance was not!
It seems helpful that Spitzer has regrets for what he now considers to be errant interpretations of the reports of his study participants. He is very clear that his findings were inaccurate saying he has “second thoughts about his study” and he now believes “his conclusions don’t hold water.”. An important aspect is that he now believes that the criticisms of the study expressed in the 2003 Archives of Sexual Behavior issue are “more true to the data” than his conclusions were. He also said that there was some obligation to say the critics were right and that the study should be withdrawn.
For more than a decade, ex-gays have relied on the results of a 2001 study to prove their claim that “change is possible.” But if they continue to promote its flawed research, they will do so only in the knowledge that its author has publically disowned it.
Exodus International has
already purged its bookstore of NARTH materials, and its president, Alan Chambers, declared earlier this year that “99.9 percent of the people I know have not changed their orientation.”. So, will Chambers and Exodus now purge Spitzer from its archives the way it purged NARTH and the pseudoscience of reparative therapy? Will Chambers perhaps finally admit that the “change” Exodus has promoted for 40 years hardly happens at all? That it might be possible to manage choices and behaviour, but that fundamental change in sexual attractions is a pipe-dream? With Spitzer’s retraction, the hope of academic support for the ex-gay paradigm grows ever dimmer.
Spitzer said that he was proud of having been instrumental in removing homosexuality from the list of mental disorders. Now 80 and retired, he was afraid that the 2001 study would tarnish his legacy and perhaps hurt others. He said that failed attempts to rid oneself of homosexual attractions “can be quite harmful.”
positive, although those whose eyes and ears are covered by the scales of fundamentalist indoctrination will remain blind and deaf to the facts and evidence. Honourable clinicians and professional bodies will accept the evidence and hold those to account who cause harm to their patients by engaging in such damaging approaches. The fundamental first ethical principle of medicine (and other clinical approaches) is “Do no harm” (or “Primum non nocere”) and this clinicians engaging in exgay therapies should be held to account by their regulatory bodies and employers.
There’s a petition going to have these ads dropped: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/drop-the-ads
There’s also a FB group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/droptheads/
How often is this cryptoreligious crap going to get trotted out ad nauseam?
Dodgy and blatantly biased sampling. Vague or inadequate definitions. Compliant behaviour defined as ‘change’. I once read a highly amusing account by a guy who went to an ‘ex-gay’ conference and couldn’t move for men trying to jump him.