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  1. Have signed the petitions, completed the home office consultation and am able to start re tweeting and adding to facebook all the sites.

    Thank you PN for you great campaigning on this.

  2. Silverythoughts 8 Apr 2012, 2:01pm

    Yes! I’ve shouted this out on the social media sites I use already :) Thanks PN for pushing this!

  3. It’s time they stop with this nonsense – at the end of the day it all comes down to being human, not gay, bi, straight, trans, whatever, it all comes down to being human…

  4. I think this is depressing and shows the Gay community can’t be bothered. I kept an eye on both sites for a few weeks thinking we would get shed loads of support. I even put it on Facebook and not one friend or family said they’d completed it or signed it.
    I’ve done both!

    1. I agree. This reminds me of when Nick Griffin and another BNP member were voted in as an MEPs. I used my vote, along with so many others, to make sure the BNP didn’t get into Essex. I went into work the next day and was speaking to the black receptionist who was understandable disgusted and angry about what had happened. I asked her if she had voted…she hadn’t.

      All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Apr 2012, 3:40pm

    I’ve signed everything. Unfortunately, there are many gay people out there who have an acute case of the Bradshaw syndrome and some have even igned the C4M petition. Many are apathetic and just don’t care.

    I agree with Edmund Brock, the time for polite inaction and quietism is indeed PAST. No more political correctness. Offend if you must. The very message that C4M espouses is one of offenciveness, hatred and religious bigotry. The lies the hatemongers are spreading need to be dealt with. It’s ironic that few MPs are speaking out in our defence and where are our straight celebrities and the supportive news papers in all this? We need a mass campaign of equal marriage videos with a strong message that we will not be treated as second class citizens any more, CPs are NOT about equality and they’re NOT enough and never will be. Other countries have progressed to full equality and there’s no reason why we can’t and shouldn’t. The sky hasn’t fallen in.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Apr 2012, 3:44pm

      And there have been no incidences of polygamous marriages, no demand for them, no incestuous marriages and no bestial marriages as the hatemongers on the right try to insinuate. This is nothing more than religious based homophobia and bigotry and it needs to be addressed, debunked and confined to the rubbish heap. It’s defamatory, denigrating and hateful and they need to be held accountable for spreading such disgustingly vile lies about us.

      1. I think we need to publicise the misleading nature of the petition and the extremist groups and vindictive individuals who have organised it.

        Is the C4M petition about stopping polygamy? is it about preventing changes to opposite sex marriages?
        The government consultation survey is quite clear that no changes are proposed for opposite sex marriages
        So no, the C4M petition is not about supporting opposite sex marriage it is rather an opportunistic attempt at bullying by anti-gay bigots and homophobes.
        There is no benefit that will accrue to opposite sex marriage nor harm that will be averted by blocking marriage equality.

      2. Erm, Robert – what’s the problem with giving someone the right to marry more than one other person if they so wish? Or giving someone the right to marry the person/people they love just because they happen to be related?

    2. Absolutely.

      I am sure New York, Spain and many other nations/territories who have succeeded in gaining equal marriage had to contend with issues like C4M, Bradshaw and the Anti-Gay Institute.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Apr 2012, 4:05pm

        Stu, it was worse in Spain and the several American states. It’s still far worse in America because of the National Organisation for Marriage’s vast support among right wing christians and the republican party. Millions of dollars are pouring in from the Mormon cult and others. They hold campaigns to unseat republican politicians who cross party lines and vote for equal marriage. They fund campaigns to repeal states’ equal marriage laws. They’ve succeeded in three states so far and are now embroiled in getting ethnic groups (black and latino people) to not support equal marriage. They’ve infested virtually every part of civil life in that country in the issue of LGBT equality. We’re beginning to see signs of it now in the UK sadly. If they had their way, C4M and its gang of hatemongers would even want CPs repealed.

        Getting back to Edmund Brock’s comment. I say forego political correctness and start firing back at our enemies and call them hatemongering bigots.

  6. Craig Denney 8 Apr 2012, 4:10pm

    I’ve also signed the C4EM petition, but unlike the C4M petition, I have not signed it 10 times.

    When Is PN going to do a story on the C4M petition being falsified?

    1. If you have evidence, Craig, by all means present it.

      1. Craig Denney 8 Apr 2012, 6:24pm

        I’m being blocked from answering! I’ll send it to your FB page Adrian.

        1. I think you should contact Stephen in the office and offer him your evidence so they can consider running a story.

          1. Craig Denney 8 Apr 2012, 7:33pm

            “consider running a story” They are not interested!

            All PN is interested in is ‘Escalation’ and they are going about it in the right way.

            If you want civil unrest, stick with PN and you’ll get it.

          2. @Craig

            They appear to be running a story.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Apr 2012, 5:22pm

      Craig, you can’t sign the C4EM petition more than once. The petition’s server knows the IP address of the sender. You could however sign it many times if you had many computers but you would probably have to use a different name.

      1. Wub Folfsky 8 Apr 2012, 5:40pm

        You don’t need more than one computer. It’s easily done…

        1. Are you admitting doing that?

  7. I don’t think it’s simply the LGBT community that is to blame. To some extent maybe. But there are other problems too. First, the extremist religious lobby is massively funded and extremely well organised. They are way over represented within their faith groups too. Second, the news media supporting them, the Telegraph and Mail outsell the liberal media by miles. Third, the BBC don’t take LGBT viewpoints seriously. fourth, the liberal religious majority is too silent, meek and sheepish. They don’t speak up for Lgbt people with the same passion with which their opponents speak against us and they don’t call out the extremism. Fifth, politicians cave in to those who shout loudest. Where are the logos of the MAINSTREAM parties on C4EM website? And yes, it is time we got more organised, more unified, started rallying and got heard. now.

  8. No justice no peace. Do what Martin Luther King did to get civil rights for blacks by taking to the streets to protest non violently the oppression by the majority of the minority of LGBT people. Martin got some justice for the oppressed blacks and gays can do it for the oppressed LGBT people.

  9. Those signatures need to be confirmed. I watched petitions in the UK for years and have always found it curious that, no matter what the issue, you NEVER see petitions with more than ten thousand or so signers whereas, in America, any petition you put out will quickly rack up tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of signers. I suspect that a VERY large number of the signatures on the anti-gay marriage group’s petition are AMERICAN, or forged.

    I would very strongly encourage people to insist that the signatures be confirmed to be British citizens. I’m absolutely certain that within a few thousand counts a sinister pattern will become GLARINGLY obvious!

  10. I’ve added and retweeted.

    Note to self: retweet till your thumb gives up.

  11. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. But I’ll keep on RTing, keep on putting on my Facebook and keep on discussing it at work.

    Thank you Pink News for really taking this and going with it. You’ve made this issue really take off.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Apr 2012, 5:35pm

    StonewallUK needs to take a more proactive part. Posters on buses are great but far from enough. I can’t believe that it could not foresee the onslaught that we’re witnessing on the religious right who quite clearly planned their strategy months ahead of the consultation. Is it no wonder we are lagging badly? I don’t see any passion or fire in the belly on our side. Hardly anyone has spoken out against the religious loonies at C4M and elsewhere. I can see C4M’s petition exceding 500,000 or more by the time the consultation closes, maybe even a million. There is no way C4EM will match their numbers, I just don’t see it happening. Petitions aren’t enough anyway. The airwaves need to be flooded with bold, strong videos supporting equal marriage and the reasons why the public should. Help from our supportive hetero celebrities would go a long way too and very much needed. It’s how it has been won in several American states such as the one Cybill Shepherd made last week. We.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Apr 2012, 5:37pm

      …don’t even have one celebrity. Something needs to be done about it. Summerskill should look into it and I’m sure Sir Ian McKellen could gather a few fellow thespians to join the campaign. It is important that this happens. Petitions just aren’t enough.

      1. Excellent point.

  13. PinkNews has been great on this. They raised it with the party leaders when Stonewall were busy arguing that civil partnerships were enough. It was them who campaigned for Stonewall to support marriage equality when barely anyone could be bothered.

    The buses are all well and good but could we not have more from Stonewall now? Why did it take two ordinary guys to create a counter campaign to C4M. Please Stonewall do more! You have the money, you have the resources. Please do more!

  14. Even the new definition will ban some people from marrying.

    Those who happen to be in a relationship with a relative will still be denied marriage equality, as will those in polysexual relationships who want to marry more than other person.

    If you believe in equality for all, let the Home Office know.

    1. The government consultation is only about extending civil marriage equality to same sex couples, it has nothing at all to do with incestuous marriages nor polygamous ones Nick .

    2. @ Nick

      What do you have an incestuous sexual relationship you wish to come under the auspices of marriage?

  15. Benjamin Cohen 8 Apr 2012, 6:07pm

    Thanks guys. Glad people have noticed our position on it. My own view is that we must really be concentrating on the Home Office survey, we’ll push it a lot over the coming weeks.

    In terms of the history. I’m really proud that our last editor Jessica was so strong on this. I have to say until she started pushing on this, it wasn’t really on anyone’s agenda, even mine. My ex used to say we could never have a CP just a marriage, but I thought it would never happen.

    Jess showed that by putting pressure on politicians like Clegg, Cameron and Miliband, you can achieve things. Peter Tatchell’s brilliant campaign showed what clever legal action can achieve, it’s all well referenced in the Home Office impact assessment.

    So get on there sharing C4EM and completing the survey. It will happen xxxx

    1. Jessica should be commended also for holding Stonewall to account over the issue, to their great annoyance at the time! She wasn’t afraid to ruffle a few feathers, that is for sure.

  16. Edmund Broch 8 Apr 2012, 6:38pm

    To all who say C4M survey is flawed and forged… I’m inclined to believe you. And I’d be prepared to run a story on it. But I need some compelling evidence. I’ve used Tor to see what IP addresses they allow. And both C4M and C4EM allow non-UK IPs to sign. I’ll do some more investigation into it, and if I find something tangible, I’ll write it up… But I need workable evidence, I’m afraid.

    1. Edmund

      There was a comment on the Telegraph website a few weeks back of someone saying their name had appeared without their consent and they were advised to contact the Information Commissioner.

      It might be worth seeing if the Information Commissioner are able to make comment?

    2. Craig Denney 8 Apr 2012, 7:43pm

      At last!!!
      “both C4M and C4EM allow non-UK IPs to sign”
      Daily Unique Visitors: 622 when it should be more like 10,000???

    3. Any success in securing more information. I thought I saw an article – but I can’t locate it now.

    4. Lumi Bast 9 Apr 2012, 1:42am

      Now that I found out that non UK residents can sign the C4EM petition, I have done that!

      1. Lumi Bast 9 Apr 2012, 1:46am

        Sorry Edmund meant to start a new post with my previous comment ^

        I filled out the survey too to add that in there

  17. “If marriage is redefined once, what is to stop it being redefined to allow polygamy” ( So, if marriage hasn’t been redefined at all, shouldn’t the bride still be property of the husband, and has to do what he tells her to?

    1. The government consultation is only about how to extend the right to marry to same sex couples, the consultation is not about redefining marriage itself.

      As civil partnerships already give same sex couples access to almost exactly the same rights as civil marriage apart from the right to call themselves married, civil marriage will not need to be redefined, civil partnerships are already civil marriages under a different name, equal but separate classification for no logical reason or possible purpose other than to unfairly discriminate.

      1. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 10:25pm

        well thats just it, british society deems polygamy as morraly wrong, where as its been a while since that was the case for same sex couples. you’re a rubbish troll.

      2. @Chris

        Its just Keith – ignore him, he has no purpose in life.

      3. Craig Nelson 9 Apr 2012, 11:16am

        “civil partnerships are already civil marriages under a different name, equal but separate classification for no logical reason or possible purpose other than to unfairly discriminate.”

        I think this is exactly the nub of the issue which many are losing sight of.

  18. The anti-gay marriage C4M petition has done a great job of marketing bigotry to the British public.

  19. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 8:51pm

    my facebook timeline is constantly getting clogged with meaningless sentiments that have absolutely no information on how you can make a difference other than ‘most people wont repost this because they dont care, but if your a good person you will’. yet when i share this, with lots of information on how you can make a difference with such a little effort.. i get nowhere.

    am i alone in this? or could it just be that most of the people i have come to know in my life are actually **** heads?

    1. I think it’s the latter.

      I get really good feedback from my facebook friends! I’ve managed to amass about 1000 friends through school, college, uni, work and ahem Kylie fans, and they all respond really well!

      1. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 9:56pm

        how many?? i dont even have that many friends, so to learn the fraction that i have found to be slight, is for some people greater than my entire friend count doesnt just speak of how unreliable my friends are, but how popular i am. i often enjoy your input, and now this. nice one james! :P

        nobody on my friends list has a homophobic bone in their body. many of them often comment that gay people should have the same rights when it comes to marriage. so why cant they fill this in for me? some of them are even in relationships with members of the same sex! oh well i guess thats what apethy is.

        1. I often get criticised by my other half for having 400 facebook friends and adding others. I do have culls occasionally of those I do not regularly interact with. I would say around 100 are close friends. I would love to know how to get them all to respond to petition request – sometimes I think there is social media fatigue.

          1. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 10:18pm

            ahh, “100”, thanks i needed that, i only have close friends added so i can justify this now :D .

            i dont know what it is. everybody jumped on the kony bandwagon, and then following ‘the truth about the kony movement’. perhaps it is!

  20. Good lad, I’ve kept behind the guys at C4EM all the way, continually posting and messaging.

    I got Jennifer Saunders to retweet about it :)

    Can I just a comment about the buses from stonewall? They’re good, but they not good enough. Restricted to london and not really motivating or engaging.

    In comparison, I actually cried at the It Gets Better video that Brigham University did. Why hasn’t Stonewall utilised the many creative LGBT people out there and produced a viral video than be shared on Facebook/Twitter and that will really motivate people into action.

  21. Isn’t the government consultation survey a bit dodgy as well. I know someone said that it looks at your computer and you can only submit it once from a computer but I live in Australia (British citizens) and I was able to go on one of the public libraries over here and submit an application. No name, no postcode, nothing needed.

    The govt consultation is the most important thing and yet isn’t that a bit flawed. It appears anyone from anywhere in the world can complete it!!!!

  22. Lumi Bast 8 Apr 2012, 9:53pm

    I’ve signed the petition :)

    But marriage shouldn’t be decided on because of any petitions, it should be a human right that us homosexuals/bisexuals should have with someone of the same gender. I think the C4EM petition is a nice way to get the attention of some people though (in a positive way).

    1. Okay wrong petition, I’ve signed another one, but this one is only for UK residents, I’m from the US so I can’t sign it :(

  23. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 10:07pm

    i have had some feedback, a few straight friends feeling that they could not take part in the home office survey, most answers being ‘this does not apply for me’. they would like to express their opinion but they feel most of the questions are only aimed at certain people. i know it isnt a cop out, cos i’ve read some great answers to the question explaining their answeres on weather same sex couples should be able to marry.

    and i’ve read a few of the emails for our local mp. the fact that we all emailed andy burnham speaks volumes about the ammount of people i have got through to though :(

  24. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 10:11pm

    well considering you chose to avoid the question within the first five words, it is likely to be ignored and regarded as ‘trolling’. thats all your getting off me ima let you go hungry now.

    1. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 10:30pm

      then why did you give it the title ‘my reply’. its not a statement of fact either. its your opinion, or somebody elses that you have echoed. im guessing its the latter because you cant elaborate on it.

      1. chris lowcase 8 Apr 2012, 11:28pm

        ohhhh your a pedantic child your right it isnt my fault for seeing it. but that little fact doesnt make your argument any less flawed. all you have done is told people the difference between a reply and an answer, which many people (and thesauruses) actually consider to be synonims.

        you’re a rubbish troll.

  25. Straight couples can still get married if gay couples can. We’re trying to redefine marriage between two adult humans who are not related to each other.

    1. I don’t believe any consenting adults should be married. I believe TRUE love is something that can only be shared between two people.
      Homosexuals can love each other because that’s how their biology is. Polygamists make a choice (albeit wrong choice) to in a multiple partner relationship and also, if you say you love two people, you truly don’t love either of them enough.

      I believe marriage should be between two consenting adults not related to each other.

      Homosexual marriages and polygamous marriages are two separate issues, like apples and dorian fruits.

      1. There is no God, that’s part of your issue. Possibly there was an intelligent creator, but the Christian God was made up to brainwash you, it’s not true.

        My conscience trumps the Bible because the Bible is false.

        If somebody wants to have multiple partners, while I disagree with it, that should be legal, but marriage is the joining of two people.

        True love in my book is what marriage is. Someday I want to make that lifelong commitment to my soulmate, the woman of my dreams. I don’t want to marry for convenience or money.

        1. marriage


          1the formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife:

          1. Notice it is not the formal union of two people as falsely stated by Luni Basket.
            This is frm the Oxford dictionary btw

      2. Oh and polygamy is a choice while homosexuality is not a choice :)

        1. False comparison. Same sex marriage is a choice also., but so wahat if it is a choice. Why should that choice be denied? Does it affect you or harm others?
          Homosexuality is a choice. It is learned behaviour due to repeated exposure to deviance. Nature did not design same sex couling as apparent by the genitals.

    2. Oh, and marriage was also defined as only between white people, only between people of the same race, etc. before and now we’re moving forward to the last step (I believe) in equal marriage between two people

  26. How many MPs and Peers , church leaders, professors etc have signed the C4EM petition?

    One of the key points that the C4M petition want to impress people with is that they have all the above on board, even though, when you read the signatories they are a whose who list of homophobic nuts.

    Couldn’t the C4EM show us a similar list of important signatories? Afterall the majority of parliament support equal marriage, all major parties support it, all LGBT orgs support it, the TUC, unison and NUS support it but are they supporting the C4EM petition and displaying it prominently on their websites? We don’t know any important people in those orgs that have signed the C4EM petition, can’t we have a list of them like the one C4M has?

    It beggers belief why all the members of the lib dem party, stonewall, labour party, TUC, NUS aren’t signing the C4EM petition. It beggers belief that when I get yet another email from Stonewall about marriage equality it doesn’t mention the C4EM petition.

  27. Craig Nelson 9 Apr 2012, 11:38am

    I have my doubts about petitions. Not sure what they prove and if one is competing with another petititon as soon as one catches up they will simply pour more resources in and pull ahead again.

    This may be the reason that Stonewall went for buses instead (not sure about that either but at least it’s something).

    Everyone knows that such petitions are a bit dodgy and not a true reflection where opinion polling and hearing from representative groups in society is a much better course of action.

    What is more important is to have a media campaign and to have people writing in comments sections of newspapers and letters to editors and so on to build popular support.

    It is a difficult campaign when the main parties support and where the govt has said it is going to legislate.

    I do think that the Scottish campaign with its ‘pledge’ was a lot more successful.

  28. Hetero-pride.. Great 2B Straight!. 9 Apr 2012, 2:11pm

    “If somebody wants to have multiple partners, while I disagree with it, that should be legal, but marriage is the joining of two peoplean and a woman. ”

    Wrong. It is the joining of a man and a woman. Your definition is false and not to be found in the dictionary.
    Here is the Oxford dictionary definition.

    Pronunciation: /ˈmarɪdʒ/

    1the formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife:

  29. “If somebody wants to have multiple partners, while I disagree with it, that should be legal, but marriage is the joining of two peoplean and a woman. ”

    Wrong. It is the joining of a man and a woman. Your definition is false and not to be found in the dictionary.
    Here is the Oxford dictionary definition.

    Pronunciation: /ˈmarɪdʒ/

    1the formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife:.

  30. (Oxford Dictionaries)
    the formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife:
    she has three children from a previous marriage
    [mass noun] the state of being married:
    women want equality in marriage
    (in some jurisdictions) a union between partners of the same sex.

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