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  1. Hooray for those students who stood against discrimination towards gays and lesbians. Their voices need to be heard not only in the schools but in parish communities. Authorities who believe in squelching issues or promoting positions that are to be considered unchallengeable need to read their scriptures more clearly. In the book of Acts, Paul stands up to Peter for his outrageous endorsement of Pharisaical purity codes that had been nullified by Christ’s death on the cross. The official Church, it seems, is bent on imposing views it considers normative by law and tradition without considering that Christ freed us from all external impositions engendered by man made decrees. Hooray for the De La Salle school and its students!

    1. Katie Murphy - ex cath family 4 Apr 2012, 11:18pm

      I think the closest thing to beastiality is the priests raping children.

      And then this one ……………..

      But one of the ways you can tell these cretins know they are losing is that they get ever more extreme, eg the popes comments a couple mos ago saying gay marriage would destroy the future of humanity.

      The only question is whether they will go back to their old ways against heresy

      torture and stakeburning.

      BTW I’m going to vacation in Denmark August 14-20

      to support their new gay marriage law. Come if you can to Copenhagen.

  2. The church collectively, and many individuals within it need to apologise, beg forgiveness and seek to put right their wrongs.

    Treating people inhumanely and segregating them is not just abhorrent and evil – its damaging to both the person who is segregated and the person/people who are so consumed with hatred (whether consciously or subconsciously) that they treat others with contempt, hatred and inhumanity.

    Outrageous that people who represent organisations that claim to “reach out to neighbours in love” could act with such cruelty, inhumanity and hatred and demonstrate the epitome of evil.

    1. Paddyswurds 4 Apr 2012, 9:29pm

      …The upside to the hatred, contempt and inhumanity is that humanity will eventually see through the desperation in these people and their pathological need to control their fellow human beings. This will have the knock on effect of rendering these bigots null and void and empty pews will spell the end of the whole evil edifice or at very least will help to change their seriously twisted minds. I congratulate the students of De La Salle and hope that other schools will be emboldened by their brave actions in booting out these bigots from their school..

      1. @Paddyswurds
        I agree that there will hopefully be a juxtaposition between the harm that these people and organisations can and do cause and the benefit that hopefully will be achieved by their evil and destructive harm caused by demeaning and harming individuals motivated by hate. The actions of those tasked by Archbishop John Nienstedt to manipulate and lie by deliberately dehumanising people on grounds of their orientation is evil. Clearly many in De La Salle have recognised the depravity of their deranged campaign. I hope, like you, this might embolden others to stand up with honour and integrity against the illegitimate and insidious campaigns which damage and harm people and communities. I do wonder if your hope and prediction of empty pews is realistic. I suspect many will respond by turning their back on the horrific and harmful actions of those who seek to control and manipulate either explicitly for the church or claiming it is for the church. I do wonder if others (it

        1. is difficult to determine how many) may well be so blinded and ignorant in their indoctrination that they fail to recognise the harm and damage that their unquestioning adherence to evil demands of certain church leaders are causing and thus a minority (possibly small or large) will remain. Any decrease in harmful damage is of course welcome.
          I would usually add a rider here about other religious organisations who are pro gay and not adherents of the damage that certain denominations or leaders engage in. All I will say on this regard is that they have a bigger responsibility to help expose the inhumanity of those who wreak harm and devastation.

    2. Katie Murphy - ex cath family 4 Apr 2012, 11:20pm

      its in their dna, eg the christian (meaning catholic church) crusades against the muslims.)

      That killed tens of millions of people> No wonder they developed their own extremists.

      1. Against Mohammedans is OK with me. Just study the Koran and read the Hadith and look into Sharia law and then you’ll understand why. Oh, and by the way, the Mohammedans started it by killing Christians, which, incidentally, they are still doing in large numbers to this day in Iraq, Iran, pakistan and everywhere else that they can manage.

        1. oh, so it is ok to kill some people? anyone else on your hit list?

      2. And also killed thousands of protestants in France in earlier centuries.

        1. Paddyswurds 5 Apr 2012, 10:50am

          @Peter E…
          ……I thought Prods were Christians too, a breakaway sect from the Abrahamic Roman cult. So it would seem they were killing their own All religion is wrong and murderous The Muslim Shiite V the Sunni, Prods V the Catholics, Hindu V the Janes and Sikhs and on and on. Man will never truly be free until he rids his mind of this insidious evil infection and disease.

  3. I think the part about adopted children shocks and sickens me more than the anti-gay sh¡t,, which I’ve come to expect from these Neanderthals.

    As if adopted children are lesser in any way.

    These people make me feel physically ill

    1. As an adopted child, I agree with you very much. I thought I’d heard it all from the Catholic church, but obviously not so.

      Because adoption, caring for a child out of care and love and not because of blood… yeah, that SO has to be against the message of love that these people have so clearly forgotten. My parents are mean! Mean! /sarcasm

    2. douglas in canada 5 Apr 2012, 1:05pm

      As an adopted child, I, too, was shocked to read this. I’d never heard it before. These people are looking stupider and more unkind with each word they utter. Such people should be banned from talking to the public.

  4. The old appeals to bigotry and ignorance are beginning not to work. I have some hope for the future of America – increasingly the new generation gets it.

  5. They must think they are advancing the cause of their church by churning out this sort of stuff?
    When this debate is resolved they will once again end up being totally discredited on yet another issue.
    That said it’s good to know that are some people with a shred of integrity in the student body at least.

  6. These religious bigots really are a disgrace.
    What we need is a religious license in the UK to counter and prevent stuff like this happening here. Free of charge and open to everyone, but revoked for crap like this. Any religious crap spouted in public or anything homophobic or said for the sole purpose of offending people by someone without a license = big fine.

    1. Katie Murphy - ex cath family 4 Apr 2012, 11:24pm

      Yes – religious freedom also means freedom from religion.

      The catholic pope last year went to visit the head Mufti of the Muslims.

      Probably to plan the next Inquisition if gay marriage is legalized more

      One has to wonder if the vatican helped in some way to egg on the 9-11 people

      it drove so many people nationalistic due to the fear here in America.

      The same people whose hatred is unending re gay folks.

      Now you know why i have a cross made out of two dildoes.

      Which I proudly display where there are lots of kids. Helping to insure that there will not be a lot of reigious people in the next generation.

      1. Cut we cut down a bit on the conspiracy theories and the vitriol against people of faith?

        Replacing one kind of bigotry with another does not exactly look like the epitome of tolerance. Actually, it looks a lot like double standards.

        And I’d be delighted if you’d explain, how, exactly, the display of sex toys and desecration of other people’s beliefs (as long as these are expressed in a respectful way, of course) will help children understand your point?

      2. what is ‘Mufti of the Muslims’? i can only guess you are an american. you guys there are so uninformed when it comes to international politics

        1. What do you mean, kane? Pope John Paul II was received by the Grand Mufti of Syria, Shekh Ahmad Kuftaro, at the Great Umayyad Mosque in Damascus in 2001, which was I believe the first recorded visit of a pope to a mosque.

          1. yes, but what is Mufti of the Muslims, never heard of it before, is it the case of ‘i heard something and will make up the rest’

  7. Good for the students.

    And what is it with the creepy priests and other haters who immediately mention animals? Does the concept of legally competent consenting adult really not compute….

    No. It doesn’t does it, silly me.

  8. johnny33308 4 Apr 2012, 9:48pm

    So can someone explain how a Priest is some sort of expert on ‘relationships’ when they know nothing of them, do not have them, and never will have one…so they’re “experts” how? And they’re experts on sex too it seems, but only with children, obviously…..they need to focus on what they KNOW, and that is religion, not CIVIL SOCIETY….they wish to control CIVIL SOCIETY as well as Religious Society…that is outside their area of expertise. They are neither qualified to speak of relationships nor are they qualified to speak about sex, or romance, or love….these are SUPPOSED to be foreign to them! Evil bigots! Their bigotry will be the demise of their evil religion, once and for all…and good it will be when it is gone forever! Humanity will be better off without any religions! Stupid backward superstition, filled obviously with stupid backward people who believe fables and act with evil intentions toward others.

  9. friday jones 4 Apr 2012, 10:09pm

    Why the hell does the IRS not revoke the Catholic Church’s tax exempt status for this blatant politicking? They crossed the line between general advocacy of principles directly into specific advocacy of a particular legislative initiative. That’s plainly illegal for a tax-exempt church.

  10. Isn’t it bizarre that these religious bigots feel they can say all manner of hateful and derogatory things about gay people, but the moment someone stands up to challenge them, that’s being “disrespectful”?

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 5 Apr 2012, 2:26am

      They call themselves “victims” of agressive athiests that call them for what they are.

      Indoctrinated idiots hiding behind there nonsensical faith.

    2. Playing the “help help I’m a victim” is a standard ploy. And one I find particularly distasteful when it is played by a bully who wets his pants and cries when his victim finally swings back.

  11. Another Hannah 4 Apr 2012, 10:54pm

    There really should be an award for the Christian with most contempt for the bible!!!! They ought to be known for what they are, and lets face it, most of the opposition is coming from the elderly, and a few incredibly sad, nurdy younger kids. That needs to be seen too.

  12. It is damaging to children to have people go into classrooms and tell them they are not normal and are inferior. This is child abuse and is unforgivable.

    1. Katie Murphy - ex cath family 4 Apr 2012, 11:28pm

      If only we had a pile of meat – the meat of the priests who abused children and the hierarchy who covered it up

      the dogs would have a field day.

      And it wasnt just kids abused

      Not surpriisng since the church, like Islam, treats women as second class citizens

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Apr 2012, 11:50pm

    It would be interesting to compare the attitudes of British catholic students. American catholics in general are far more supportive of same-sex marriage, in fact are in the majority by I think roughly 57%. I wonder how many British catholics support us in the UK?

    The younger generation are far more supportive in general. Let’s hope their voices are heard as we progress towards marriage equality. I would love to see them become pro-active throughout the country to make it a reality.

    1. Tim Hopkins 5 Apr 2012, 8:57am

      The Scottish Social Attitudes Survey found that in 2010, 54% of Catholics in Scotland agreed that “Gay or lesbian couples should have the right to marry each other if they want to”, and 21% disagreed. (The rest said they neither agreed nor disagreed)

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Apr 2012, 12:20pm

        An interesting figure, Tim. The majority of catholics in western countries are no longer adhering to much of the dogma. 98% of American catholic women of child bearing age have used or continue to use contraceptives, banned by their church. I daresay the figure is comparable in the UK. It seems catholics in general are light years ahead of the church they belong to. Sooner or later, it will be in yet another crisis as more defy its teachings. Maybe it will herald a mass ex-communication, imagine that. Not soon enough.

        1. Dennis Battler 5 Apr 2012, 3:25pm

          “Catholic Church ex-communicates members under 65 yr of age:” :) … waiting patiently to see this headline. Time for a cuppa.

  14. While the name of the Catholic priest is not disclosed, the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, who sent the priest, is headed by the infamous Archbishop John Clayton Nienstedt who in 2010 began an anti-same-sex marriage campaign by producing and mailing to Minnesota residents 400,000 DVDs proclaiming the sins of same-sex marriage.

    Nienstedt has banned gay prayer services, “refused the Eucharist to students wearing rainbow buttons,” and has publicly banned “open dissension” from his priests on matters related to same-sex marriage.

    I’m delighted to see that the senior students are thinking for themselves.

  15. Mike Levinson 5 Apr 2012, 3:17am

    ALSO: Ban the Military, not Gays!

  16. Mike Levinson 5 Apr 2012, 3:33am


    1. we heard you first time , no need to shout

      1. Mike Levinson 5 Apr 2012, 11:44am

        Sorry, Kane. I didn’t know there was a delay in posting–I thought it didn’t go thru the first time! (But nevertheless, sometimes one does need to shout and repeat, but maybe not this time.)

  17. Very badly written piece

    1. I agree, actually. The tone is a bit wrong for pink news, and it needed restructuring. But hey ho, the content is what’s most important.

  18. I am pleased that the students concerned spoke up and these are the leaders of the future. I hope that RC Church will soon start to get the message that the younger generation do have a better grip of modern reality rather than outdated fiction!

  19. Good on them for standing up. It’s a hard thing to do. I hope I would do the same thing.

  20. Aaaah! Well, UP YOURS! Archbishop!! Time you realised that you can’t continue to bully people into supporting your hatreds!

  21. Miguel Sanchez 5 Apr 2012, 2:48pm

    My hat is off to the students who stodd up and said they’re not listening to the BS the church was trying to put out.

    The archdiocese has no business telling adopted children they’re second class citizens.

  22. Dennis Battler 5 Apr 2012, 3:21pm

    youth intolerant of ignorance and prejudice will cause change …
    The ones causing the problem, spewing hate, are the ones needing to be spoken to. Being spoken to by their children is important. Two other points: A) a 15 yr old cresting his own development sufficiently aware of his past and his future able to distinguish accurately where the disconnect/agitation emanates from (the haters) B) a mother more deeply committed to connecting to her love for her child than to her need to be approved of by her peers and authority.

    Link to following article:
    A Teen’s Brave Response to “I’m Christian, Unless You’re Gay”
    After getting a homework assignment to write an essay about I’m Christian, Unless You’re Gay, one teenager decided that enough was enough.

    1. David Myers 6 Apr 2012, 10:12am

      This was truly inspiring and gave me hope!

  23. Matt Westwood 5 Apr 2012, 7:34pm

    Stop calling them Catlicks. Call them Doglicks.

    1. Of course they’re not “Catlicks.” They won’t eat pussy!!!

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