Expect a big fuss from the Roman Catholic Church.
Expect them to lose, just as they did in Malta with divorce.
Even in the Republic of Ireland, where they reigned supreme not so long ago, they are now a spent force.
Their church attendance and clergy numbers are rapidly diminishing and their membership is rapidly ageing.
The good people of Ireland now understand that the church is just a top down tyranny. Similar to most tyrannies around the world
RATZInger also participated in the hiding of the endless molestation of children world wide.
Now its coming out that the church had castrated gay kids, and also abused kids who tried to report these crimes to the police / garda.
Is there no crime against humanity that the cathollic church has not committed?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/18/world/main7257626.shtml (pope re irish kids abused)
Go Ireland – who would have thought.
I guess you could say the Big V has totally lost that nation.
Go for it Ireland.
I expect you will have at least as much rhetoric and vitriol from the RC church as we are currently having in the UK (if not more!).
They are a spent force, and equality is ours to grasp.
With the UK en route, Ireland, Denmark, Finland, Nepal, Mongolia, other US states, and Colombia all having strong impressions of making marriage equal – along with movement in Australia, New Zealand, France, Luxembourg, Germany, Israel, Rwanda and Brazil …. times are shifting!
Ad stories about Uruguay and columbia and Brazil.
Col and Br ‘ss upreme courts have ruled unanimously that gays get equal marriage rights.
Columbia already assumes married after 2 yr cohabitation. Brazil – some courts have ruled that a few gay couples who brought suit must be granted marriage.
The only question as the church of the molestation is destroyed, is whether it will protect its power by torture and burnings at the stake, as it did during the dark ages it created.
Yes! Go for it Ireland. Things appear to be moving forward for same sex marriage! Even though I don’t live there I’m excited for the LGB citizens who do.
I’m delighted this is going ahead but unfortunately it’s just propaganda to make this farce of a government look good at a time when the entire country despises them. They have slashed everything in the last few budgets and keep attacking the vulnerable and the lowest paid in society. They have divided Ireland into a two tier system. Today the people have spoken and refused to pay the €100 household tax that was going straight to the failed banks and bondholders that have crippled our country in the first place. http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html
So you want the last Government back? The Irish people ditched that Government and cruelly kicked the Irish Greens out of the Parliament in the process. So I say ‘suffer’ with what you voted for! Go Greens, especially Irish Greens!
Irish “Greens” deserved nothing less than political annihilation at the last election given their record in government and that’s exactly what they got (and i’m a member of the England & Wales Green Party)
YES, another GREAT step forward hopefully….i wish america wuld see the light and give EVERYONE “EQUAL RIGHTS”.
I won’t be surprised if Ireland achieves marriage equality before we do in the UK. Ireland certainly has made up for lost time when it comes to LGBT issues.
Ha! Sorry to scoff, but you must realise how slowly things move in Ireland. The UK will get equal marriage WAY before Ireland.
I gather all Irish political parties now support this. Can any of the Irish readers of this site, confirm this? I gather that Fine Gael are the Government as well.
Labour, Sinn Fein, ULA, Green Party and Fianna Fail are all in support. Which only leaves Fine Gael – who seem to be somewhat supportive according to this article.
Correct. Fine Gael are the majority party in the coalition government. It certainly looks good, but don’t expect sudden change.
So in the last 12 months in Ireland there has been:
The Taoiseach standing up to the Roman Catholic church and condemning their actions by stating that the “‘dysfunction, disconnection, elitism and narcissism that dominate the culture of the Vatican to this day” were to blame for “the rape and torture of children”.
The withdrawal of the Irish ambassador to the Vatican.
Cooling of relations between the state of the Vatican.
A willingness of the Irish state to hold church leaders to account and not grant them any special status in law.
Now, a willingness to advance equality legislation against a certain backlash from the RC church.
The Irish people are putting the RC church in their place, and rightly so – after the shame the RC church has brought on the nation of Ireland.
…”after the shame the RC church has brought on the nation of Ireland”…….the RC church has not brought shame on the nation of Ireland , but rather very much on itself. The Irish people are rather proud of the facet they are now able to stand up to this evil paedophile cult.
I half agree with you. I do fully accept that predominantly the shame wrought has been to the individual clergy who either perpetrated acts of abuse, covered them up or turned a blind eye to the abuse and to the wider RC church (in a tacit sense given the institutional level of abuse).
That said, there is a sense that the insidious level of abuse brought shame to the nation of Ireland too. Bertie Ahern recognised this when he said in May 1991 “On behalf of the State and of all citizens of the State, the Government wishes to make a sincere and long overdue apology to the victims of childhood abuse for our collective failure to intervene, to detect their pain, to come to their rescue. I feel a great sense of shame for Ireland”. President Mary McAleese called the abuse “an atrocious shameful betrayal of love”, saying: “My heart goes out to the victims of this terrible injustice, an injustice compounded by the fact that they had to suffer in silence for so long.”
I think the actions of Enda Kenny in standing up to the church and stating that children must and always will come first, despite failures of the past – coupled with the strength of public opinion in Ireland, overwhelmingly demonstrates that Ireland is not just putting its shame behind it, but is determined to put it right (whether or not the RC church seek to put their organisation in order).
….That in no way says the nation of Ireland (the people) is in any way or has anything to be ashamed of.On the contrary in fact. Also you should be aware the Bertie Ahearne has been greatly discredited as a scoundrel and corrupt politician in recent weeks and had lost any legitimacy to speak for the Irish People as a consequence.
I am aware of Bertie Ahern’s recent tribulations. However, Mary McAleese certainly has not been discredited.
They are not the only prominent Irish people who recognise that, whether deserved or not, the actions of the RC church and the failures of the state to intervene effectively much earlier, did bring shame on Ireland. The actions of the Irish people and government in 2011 and since demonstrate an intention to hold those individuals carrying out abuse and those protecting them (individuals and organisations) to account.
Other examples of notable Irish people expressing their feeling of shame at the events include:
Brian Cowen stating that he was “ashamed by the extent, length, and cruelty” of child abuse, apologized to victims for the government’s failure to intervene in endemic sexual abuse.
The Ferns report was highly critical of the failure of the Garda to properly investigate reported incidents of clergy abuse. Shame of Irelands response was expressed.
The Irish Times called the CICA report “a devastating indictment of Church and State authorities, the map of an Irish hell … The sheer scale and longevity of the torment inflected on defenceless children – over 800 known abusers in over 200 Catholic institutions during a period of 35 years – should alone make it clear that it was not accidental or opportunistic but systematic. Abuse was not a failure of the system. It was the system. It shames Ireland”.
Thousands of Irish people signed the book of solidarity at Mansion House, Dublin following the CICA report. Many who signed, including the Lord Mayor of Dublin, expressed their sorrow and shame that so many children had been abused and that state and church had failed them.
The front page of 21 May 2009 edition of The New York Times told of “Ireland’s shameful tragedy”, leading to reactions describing a “Nuremberg trial, Irish-style, with no names, no prosecution and no court appearances
You’ll also find a majority of Irish people are proud of their Catholic faith. Maybe not the Vatican hierarchy, but they’re becoming far more pragmatic in their views. Believe it or not the Catholic Church did much good work for the Irish nation and people don’t forget that.
…..”Believe it or not the Catholic Church did much good work for the Irish nation and people don’t forget that.” That is so just much bull. The Roman cult stilted the Irish and kept us backward and ignorant for centuries. Perhaps you could tell me, Irish born and bred, what exactly the church done for us. They sided with the British for 800 years with the exception of a few brave priests like Fr Murphy. Otherwise they were happy to be wined and dined in the “big houses” while the people starved and died in their millions.
@ Stu above
… so by your reasoning, what Hitler done to the Jews and others was a shame on the Jewish Nation? I think not. No the shame is on the paedophile ridden roman cult of personality. What you are trying to say is what the ex Naz! pope has been saying for several years now that the disaster was the fault of the people for being ” too secular” and that they should be ashamed they allowed themselves to be influenced by evil.
No you twist my reasoning.
But if you want to invoke Godwins law – I would say the prression of Jews and LGBT people by the Naz! regime was a shame on Germany. The German people and system were involved in the torture, abuse and murder of Jews, LGBT people and others. The German people and system (on the whole) did little to prevent it and acted too late to save many people. The difference in the RC case in Ireland is that the Irish state did not intervene and those suffering were predominantly also Irish. The Irish people suffered, but the Garda, social services, the courts and many others failed to act to protect those children. That is the shame on Ireland. Ireland is putting that right.
Well done, Ireland, welcome aboard the train to marriage equality. What is happening with Scotland’s legislation since the consultation concluded last year?
The Scottish consultation received more responses than any previous consultation (over 50,000). That would be one reason why the analysis is taking more time. Currently the results are expected around the end of May, and we would expect the Scottish Govt to make an announcement about their position when they publish the results. The Scottish legislative process is quite slow and consultative – we already knew that there would be another consultation on the draft bill, before it is introduced in the Parliament. That consultation was originally due to happen in autumn this year and there’s no good reason for that timetable to slip. The bill could then go through the Parliament in 2013.
…Fine Gael pronounced Finna, (the Blueshirts) are a right of right conservative Party that would put the Tories to shame. Where PN got the idea they are centrist is a mystery unless it was gleaned from the Fine Gael disingenuous website. They got their Blueshirt nickname from their support for the Fascists in Europe during the 30s and 40s. Frankly I will be very surprised if they bring in anything near Marriage Equality. This whole thing is a cynical exercise to deflect attention from the farce that is the €100 household charge which 1.2 million people had refused to pay by the March 31st daedline …… Don’t be fooled either by Enda Kenny’s rant at the vatican cult. The Blueshirts have been waiting for such an opportunity since the 30s when the then pope threatened to excommunicate them en masse for their unswerving support for Hitler and Musselini….
i’ll believe it when i see it. Its unfortunate our constitution has to be changed to allow same sex marriage. Referendums and Votes to change the constitution are always bitter campaigns filled with vitriol