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Secret documents reveal anti-gay marriage group planned to divide gay and black voters

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  1. Dr Robin Guthrie 27 Mar 2012, 4:49pm

    Has Cameron accepted cash to dilute commitment to gay marriage?

    The daily Telegraph says he has.

    1. The Daily Telegraph is not to be trusted when it comes to this issue. They are publicly committed to undermining Tory support for marriage equality. Targeting and smearing Cameron could be part of that strategy. If he goes the coalition could end up dropping the proposals entirely, exactly what the Telegraph wants.

      If another news outlet picks this up and verifies the claims then and only then can we begin to take them seriously.

      1. If Cameron goes, so does the coalition and we get an election. However, Ed Milliband is still too young and inexperienced to be elected PM. No other Tory could succeed either. So my guess would be another hung parliament, and the lib dems would have to go with Labour without Cameron there.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Mar 2012, 8:22pm

          I don’t believe there is any truth in this. If Cameron were to go, it would be the end of the Tory Party come 2015. I don’t think their party is that stupid to sabotage marriage equality plans on the whims of a bigoted religious minority and risk losing the election over this one issue. They want to get re-elected not defeated. Marriage quality could well be their ticket to a second term. What needs to happen now is for Miliband to adopt marriage equality as official party policy which would pit both Liberal Democrats and Labour against the Tories who really can’t afford to have that happen and nor can they afford to lose the gay vote after the dismal result in the last general election. Do the Tories really want to be defeated over not supporting marriage equality? I don’t think so. The Daily Telegraph should know better. It’s a win-win for the Tories by getting it legislated and passed.

    2. Father Dougal 27 Mar 2012, 5:12pm

      Dwarfed by the latest revelations in Panorama last night about software hacking on behalf of Sky, killing off ITV digital (OnDigital) a few years ago.

  2. Just how far into the gutter are these people willing to go to avoid having to jettison their prejudices and dogma? To actually try and push minority groups into direct conflict in order to further their own agenda is nothing short of downright evil.

    1. jamestoronto 27 Mar 2012, 7:29pm

      If there were such a word as sub-gutters I am sure they would be there.

  3. Good article, points well highlighted. Please also see the sections on their international efforts, which sound strangely familiar. It all has little to do with marriage and everything to do with de-normalising any acceptance of gay people on a global scale.

  4. And there was me thinking these cretins could not sink any lower!

    1. Father Dougal 27 Mar 2012, 5:08pm

      It truly is grotesque, isn’t it.

      1. jamestoronto 27 Mar 2012, 7:31pm

        Grotesque is far too polite of a word. I don’t think our language has a word that will accurately describe this low level of thinking.

        1. It’s the word a Catholic Archbishop here used in a major article to describe gay marriage recently.

  5. Father Dougal 27 Mar 2012, 5:06pm

    I like their “Catholic Clergy Project”, but I’m still waiting for my share of the $50,000 budgetted for that.

    1. Dennis Battler 27 Mar 2012, 5:23pm

      It will come with a signed confession of adherence to demonizing gay people … check your files, you may have missed it. No sign, no get. Isn’t that the way it works in the catholic church, money being the highest motivator?

      1. No I signed it, but I have yet to receive my media training with Catholic Voices.

        1. Oops

  6. Also notable is the use of warlike terminology, referring to their strategies in countries and states that already have equal marriage as “Behind Enemy Lines”.

    They do not see gays as people at all. They just see us as “the enemy”. It all seems very unchristian to me, to say the least.

    1. well.. rule 1 of warfare, de-humanise your enemy so you dont feel bad and in fact feel quite superior and justified in just about anything you do to them

      1. I wonder which gospel they got that from !

  7. This is the proof that the anti-gay Christians use psychological warfare here by using blacks to destroy gays in America? The proof is here that anti gay Christians are using black propaganda (google black propaganda). This is also proof the anti-gay Christians are still using blacks like tools or weapons for their twisted destructive purposes. This is just one piece of their evil plots and plans that the evil anti-gay Christians have to destroy LGBT people, who knows what other plans and plots these evil anti-gay Christian have.

    1. Very funny.

  8. Rayne Van-Dunem 27 Mar 2012, 5:45pm

    If NOM were a British organization, would this be grounds for civil or criminal charges on incitement?

    I mean, there is no way that this will be prosecuted stateside as an offense because of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but I would like to receive a reply from someone who is familiar with British law regarding such practices by non-profit NGOs like NOM.

    1. If they have associates in the UK, we may well find out if that is the case.

      I don’t think it would be though. I can imagine an offence of conspiracy to incite hatred if someone had a project to inflame violent racial or ethnic tensions between two groups.

      1. Those behind the anti-equality “Coalition for Marriage”.

    2. Singapore Sam 27 Mar 2012, 6:30pm

      Probably sedition in Singapore.

  9. Sounds like divide and conquer .

    1. More than just sounds like.

  10. Evil and “grotesque”.

  11. So malign that it should persuade some who were previously opposed to SSM and who possess a shred of integrity to now voice their support.

  12. I note there was no mention of “argue our case using reason, evidence and appeals to fairness, justice and moral rectitude”.

    I wouldn’t have expected there to be, but at least it goes to show that even the bigots don’t think they have a case that stands up on its own merits. It’s kind of comforting to see the despicable lengths these people are resorting to – shows how desperate and lacking in good arguments they are.

  13. The people behind the anti-equality Coalition for Marriage here in UK operates along similar lines to NOM.

  14. jamestoronto 27 Mar 2012, 7:26pm

    This divide and conquer strategy was one that NOM and allies used in California during the Prop 8. Sadly, it was successful and caused a lot of bitterness between the gay community and the black and Hispanic communities. This will hopefully expose these “Christians” for the cretins they really are.

  15. Mystic Clegg 27 Mar 2012, 8:02pm

    To be fair, though, the biggest minority group in America voting against our rights was the blacks. It’s not like they’d need much of a push.

    Many of them, sadly, are dumb as a box of rocks.

    1. So are you Keith.

    2. The first part of your comment is true. Shame you had to add the 2nd bit.

    3. Never a good idea to use “the” to mark a group of people as a proper noun:- “the” blacks, “the” gays.

    4. Do you honestly not get it? That perception about voting patterns you’re stating as the truth is actually a lie propagated by the likes of NOM!! By repeating it you are falling for the strategy these documents describe!!

      Put your brain into first gear and think this thing through. You are being conned.

  16. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Mar 2012, 8:10pm

    Well, as Frances Maude, Tory MP said recently, not supporting and passing marriage equality would make the party unelectable. Does the Daily Telegraph really want to be see the party defeated in 2015? If it does, it’s going the right way about it. If the story proves false, the DT could have a huge libel suit on its hands. This makes NO sense after Cameron made his announcement to commit to marriage equality last October. Why would he want to sabotage marriage equality? We’ve yet to hear from him.

  17. This is remarkably unsurprising news (call me a cynic).

    Glad it’s come to light, though.

  18. Hoe very “christian” of them.

    But I’m sure there’s a part in the bible that validates such awful behaviour because a talking snake living in a burning bush or a whale or something equally daft told them its was god’s will.

  19. Fanatical bigots using dirty tricks and stirring up division and hatred to achieve their ends. Hold the front page.

  20. Disgusting behaviour from a disgusting organisation.

  21. Bill Perdue 28 Mar 2012, 3:07pm

    The strategy of using opposition to marriage equality to simultaneously isolate the LGBT communities and win elections is as old as the hills.

    Or at least as old as Bill Clintons DOMA. After championing and signing DOMA just before the 1996 presidential elections Clinton took to the airwaves boasting about his bigotry. “In a radio advertisement aimed at religious conservatives, the Clinton campaign is showcasing the President’s signature on a bill banning gay marriages… It refers to Mr. Clinton’s support of the Defense of Marriage Act, which the President signed into law last month, to the dismay of many gay rights advocates. Mr. Clinton signed the law early on a Saturday morning, minimizing news coverage…” New York Times Archives Published: October 15, 1996

    Rove and Bush did the same thing lining up evangelicals and the catholic cults hierarchy to use marriage equality to bash us and win elections in 38 states. And so did Obama whose bigoted comments about ‘gawd’s in the mix’ insured the passage of Prop 8 and the loss of marriage equality in California in 2008.

    What’s surprising here is not the inevitable plots to use homohating, racism or the cults to divide and rule but the utter stupidity of NOM’s leaders, who seem never to have watched the Iran/Contra hearings and their extensive use of ‘private’ e-mails.
    In a time when the NSA is building a new $1 billion internet snooping facility on a secure 200 acre site at Camp Williams in Utah, everyone should be conscious that nothing on the internet is private. The NOM dummies should have taken a hint from Romney who destroyed all the computers he and his staff used as governor of Massachusetts.

    The people who run NOM are not only swine, they’re stupid swine. No news there either.

  22. Dennis Battler 28 Mar 2012, 3:43pm

    ‎”NOM argued – “gay marriage is the tip of the spear, the weapon that will be and is being used to marginalize and repress Christianity and the Church.” … sadly this misunderstanding of truth belief belies efforts of achieved and sustained equality and until this is addressed all efforts for equality are tenuous. NOM: “Gay marriage is not a civil right, and we will continue to point this out in written materials such as those released in Maine. We proudly bring together people of different races, creeds and colors to fight for our most fundamental institution: marriage.” This statement shows the fallacy of NOM’s biblically based interpretation, understanding and wisdom. Hanging their hat on this tenet is a declaration of war not only against same-sex marriage and family, it is a war against divorce and single-parenting. Unless NOM is willing to declare this full war they are poseurs of truth, bending it to suit their narrow views of personal interest. Nothing to do with Christian any

  23. Janet Lameck 28 Mar 2012, 8:49pm

    I’m transgender GAY and proud of it.
    As far as I’m concerned straigths are the Queer ones.

  24. The evil bastards…

  25. MooseintheOC 31 Mar 2012, 7:07am

    Robert George, founder of NOM, just was appointed to the US Commission for International Religious Freedom. NOM’s talking points, arguments and strategies come from this man, who calls for the arrest and imprisonment and promoting bigotry of LGBT people. If you believe NOM’s tactics are reprehensible, please take the time to fill out this petition on the White House’s webpage condemning the appointment of Robert George. He will use this official US government position as a platform to spread vitriol against LGBT people globally. Pass the word along and post where you it is appropriate.

    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/condemn-appointment-bigot-robert-george-us–commission-international-religious-freedom/TFPJSmSh?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

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