Surely there are better ways to engage with Iran than dealing with extremists.
To engage with the country you need to be willing to listen to and perhaps agree with what the country wants. It also helps if you’re able to filter most of he hysteria and smear propaganda being promoted about the country. You need also to be able to notice the extremists in your own backyard. That seems an easy task, but it really is not, simply because someone’s extremist may be someone else’s hero and savior.
Hysteria and propoganda? It is not propoganda that gays are executed by the Iranian regime. The day liberal-minded people cease to be hysterical about this is the day any apparent commitment to gay rights can be declared a sham.
Extremist Christians in the UK tend to rant about gay marriage and sent angry letters to The Telegraph. Perhaps irritating, but in no way comparable to murder. Those who do support murdering gay men tend to be the Islamist fanatics that Ken has been so desperate to court politically.
And please, quit the relativist bull sh-t. A regime that murders gay people is brutal and wicked. A person who supports that regime is evil. And a person who supports that regime while pretending to befriend the people it murders is both evil and cowardly. Words like ‘hero’ and ‘saviour’ have no relevance to this topic.
Yes, you have to filter the hysteria and propaganda. Any execution is wrong, including those being implemented by many governments around the World, like the US. And remember, capital punishment is a favourite vote winner among many in Britain as well.
What an irrelevant comment. Capital punishment is not a vote winner in Britain. Pray tell, what major political party (aside from the BNP…) actively campaigns for the return of the death penalty? The answer is ‘none’.
Of course, many people in the UK would support the return of capital punishment, but not for the ‘crime’ of simply being who you are. Without starting a debate on the ethics of the death penalty, if you cannot see the difference between hanging a brutal murderer and hanging somebody for being gay, I really pity you.
And you have yet to explain what you mean by ‘propoganda’ or ‘hysteria’. It is a fact that the Iranian regime executes gays. Moral outrage at such evil is not ‘hysteria’. It’s the natural reaction of a good conscience which, sadly, you do not seem to possess.
Darling we ARE talking about the ethics of the death penalty. If you see a difference between two hangings, you should pity your own blinkered self, let alone anyone else. Propaganda and hysteria is already working on your brain.
Darling, sweetheart, some of us live in the real world not some ephemeral world where a policy is debated on its ethics (not to be brought in , just as a questions of ethics!).
No wonder you sound so separated from real life!
“It also helps if you’re able to filter most of he hysteria and smear propaganda being promoted about the country. ”
er, you do know they hang people for being Gay Even if they just look it, yeah? Whats to understand about that? apart from the fact it’s evil and Mr Livingstone sides with it too many times.
I never herd Boris expressing his views about gay bashing in Iran and in fact not a word about any prosecution of gays anywhere in the world, conveniently staying quiet. Four years in office and his legacy is some bikes in central London and expensive project of replacing working buses with new hop on-off buses and rising bus fares to offset the cost of that project
What Boris does he does for London and Londoners. He is Not decisive unlike Ken. This is way Boris will be getting my vote come May 3rd.
Also if you read this story Ken refused to correct muslim extremists on how here in Britain the talk of killing Gay people is a crime. He should correct them. All his silence does is support them.
But when it comes down to us, he hasn’t made us pay more year after year, whereas Ken seemed to think we were made of money, and yet, is pedaling some rubbish about everything costing less if he gets re-elected.
He’ll be judged on his previous performance, and I suggest if it looks like Ken’s back, we’d better all start saying for the next council tax bill.
He knows he can’t have the gay vote AND the muslim vote. There a millions more muslims in London than gay people so that’s who he’ll suck up to. Haven’t seen any “Vote Ken” burqas yet, but I’m sure he’ll be launching a range before long.
Actually I doubt that there are more Muslims that Gay people.
Well if you look at London, compare Old Compton Street to Brick Lane and then tell me.
And some Muslims are Gay, please don’t forget that.
Well, but gay people don’t all live in one part of London any more, we’re everywhere.
Not all gay people live, shop, work or socialise on the scene.
Though the sentiment I agree with you.
Yes , with londons massive muslim population continuing to grow drastically , the lgbt communitys equality/human rights become meaningless to career politicians.
He needs to distance himself from any extremist element – there are many more muslims in London than Gays, but many muslims are not extremists -many of them are our neighbours and those I know have distanced themselves from extremism and are as insulted by Ken’s associations as we are – this is a vote loser for me.
No gay person should give this scumbag their vote
What a vile man.
He is one of those, like George Galloway, who have abandoned women, gays, Jews and other non-Muslims, the separation of religion and politics and everything the Left has traditionally supported in favour of Muslim fascists.
“Yeah, but I met him and Peter didn’t, I had a conversation with the man.”
Oh yes Ken, and that comment is really going to win the argument.
In a position of power and influence, there was an opportunity to use that power and influence for better, and instead it appears it was used for nothing more that to serve Ken Livingstone’s own financial interests.
I wonder if Livingstone would feel the same way about “engaging” with the BNP or EDL?
I think Livingstone is often misguided – which is not a crime – and I do want to like him but, goodness, he does make it hard sometimes.
Yeah. Just like Quisling and Anthony Blunt were misguided. Just like Thatcher and Anjem Choudary are misguided. Livingstone is the very definition of an opportunist, not a man of principle. And it physically sickens me to see him on a Gay Pride march.
I don’t agree, your examples would see themselves as people of strong principles. Ken’s mistake is to seek dialogue with people, not in itself a bad thing at all, but I think pointless and counter-productive in this instance.
Ken’s mistake(s) were to try to be all things to all people, and to think that people would be too stupid to realise that feathering his own nest comes before all else.
Sooooo no positives then, eh
I totally agree. Ken’s problem is he tries to round up the stragglers and the minorites in the hope if he gets enough he will beat the main majorities. The problem is these people are far too disparate to ever go in the same direction. It’s like trying to herd cats.
How is a religious person not an evil demon for saying that gay human beings should be executed and women should have their genitals mutilated? That sound very evil and demon like. What if he had said all straight Christian men need to be executed but first cut off their testicles?
Sorry – I don’t get you…
Fact is two weeks ago Ken Livingstone visited Finsbury Mosque and said that he wanted to become mayor to spend money on educating All Londoner on Islam and how the words of Mohammad was ‘an agenda for all of humanity’. What with wanting to declare London independent I fear what he is doing and wishes to force Islam on all of us.
He can talk the talk and be decisive but he is in line to damage any LGBT right by such comments when we know a large section of London Muslims want us dead.
He seem to suck up to the dodgy Mayor of Tower Hamlets which has to put into question what agenda does Ken Livingstone have for London and Londoners.
The man is a worry and I certainly won’t vote for him.
” I fear what he is doing and wishes to force Islam on all of us”
Have you heard yourself? That sounds like the Christian right worried about them forcing gayness on all of us…
I know you are better than that
Try research on Ken Finsbury Park Mosque. You may feel you can take his comment lightly but I can guarantee most of us who want a safe future won’t.
Well said, Tom!
London is doomed , from these glimpses of the near future.
This is (predictably) knee-jerk (and partisan!) bollocks…
Also what about the fact he called tax evaders “bastards” then not only gets caught out for doing the very same thing but justifying it too?
The man is a London disaster waiting to happen.
Better then the current CLOWN
Boris gets my vote. I’d rather him than someone supporter of people and supported by people who want us dead.
You are so ‘wrong’ its untrue…
So we can try out his little social experiment of all giving Islam a try to see how well it fits.
I actually don’t think Islam is the problem though to be honest. The problem, as so often is the case, is with the people that interpret it on behalf of the masses. As with all religions it has been twisted beyond all recognition by those seeking power and influence over others. What is actually written I suspect is poles apart from some of the sh1te that some of these clerics come out with.
Livingstone has a different face for every day of the week, and personally I’m well pleased more people are starting to see him for what he is. He’s had his time, he did some good when he was an independent mayor, he re-joined the Labour party, he went down the toilet.
Oh well said again Sister Mary Clarence!!
What can I say. There’s just NO WAY that I can vote for him
Is Labour crazy? I’m a Labour Party member, 100% support for Labour in every election. I’ve canvassed for Labour…
Now, I know that Ken Livingstone is just one candidate, and so I will still be voting Labour in the GLA elections. But how many people will look at Ken Livingstone’s conduct, the failure of the Labour Party to do anything about it – in fact Miliband backed Livingstone! – and conclude:
There’s a fundamental problem with Labour.
Labour has GOT to sort this out.
Yes that’s all very well but did he turn the criticism of himself into a rant against Boris Johnson and the Tory party? That’s usually Livingstone’s tact- never address questions levelled at himself but instead stick the knife in to someone else. He is one slimy self serving snivelling creep. He and Alistair Campbell are like one and the same person.
So agreed!!! Well Said.
Once again a predictable slop of unthought-out bile and stupidness from the (large amount of) right-wing knee-jerkers on the comments pages…
Sometimes I wonder if you all have vested interests in encouraging people to vote for Boris…
This wouldn’t surprise me either, given the shameful ‘notkenagain’ ad that went up on Pink News some few weeks back and hung around like a nasty member of Mrs Thatcher’s bullyboys…
It would appear that very few of you have even READ what Ken said…
As I’ve said on here before, Ken was lambasted in EXACTLY the same way back in the early 80s for ‘daring’ to talk to the IRA.
Dialogue is the only way to bring about lasting peace – the ONLY way…
We don’t have to AGREE with people to talk to them…
Sometimes it makes sense to refuse to talk to people by way of sanction (although in truth, dialogue is ALWAYS going on in secret behind the scenes): IRA, KGB, Soviet Union, ‘Al Qaeda’, China, America & Cuba etc etc etc
Ah okay, so you think that we should talk to Livingstone behind the scenes then?
There is more than one way to skin a rabbit…(I should know: I’m a vegetarian!…)
Ken has chosen to do what he does in the way that he does…
And if you don’t like that, thats fine – you can vote for who you bloody-well like. The point is – that posting stuff on here merely to make other people vote the same way that you will is not good, is not democratic and is slightly unhinged…
Indeed, and the point of your post was …..
Er – I don’t see anyway trying to get people to vote one way or another. What I see is different people’s own personal opinions. If you can’t see that then you clearly need to learn about debating.
The Pink News Comments Boards are here for debate – not to stifle it.
To suggest, just because you don’t agree with something that Ken has done, that his past efforts pushing for LGBT equality (and equality in general for everyone else too) are somehow nullified because of who he ‘DJs’ for is insane…
GROW UP PEOPLE…
It’s you that needs to grow up and learn about debating and maybe research. The only person trying to stifle debate is you with you somewhat immature accusations.
PS I deeply suspect that there are more than a handful of you Ken-Haters on here who hate him more for the introduction of the congestion charge than anything else…
Drivers who read the Sun, invariably in my experience, HATE him with an unreasonable vengeance…
Sound familiar people? (…Are there any Taxi Drivers in the house perhaps…?!)
…Here endeth the lesson….
Unfortunate then that he has given us sooooo much more ammunition really then isn’t … its hard to know where to start these days when attacking him …. there’s just so much to work with
I think Ken did a fantastic job in his first term (I even campaigned for him back then).
But while he WAS a great supporter of the gay community, it’s pretty clear now that he now has other priorities and he’s quite happy to sacrifice us for them.
He won’t be getting my vote again.
Let’s not forget that while this hypocrite Ken attacks Boris over fares, while he froze fair in his first term, the very 1st year of his second he put fares up, some by 42%.
In 2004 some bus fares went up for 70p to £1. They then hiked year on year. As did his proportion of the council tax as well as other taxes.
There are many reasons I won’t be voting Ken. The biggest is his obsession with pleasing the Islamic community over all else.
That and the fact he is just one nasty hypocrite who’ll stop at nothing to damaging London and Londoners.
Oh and My opinion, My choice. If your so easily lead on how to vote, take a good look at yourself and ask why instead of blaming everyone else for being so weak minded.
Sorry vversatile the last bit their wasn’t for you….
If he wanted to engage with the Iranian peope then he would have been better off getting a job on BBC Persian or Manoto TV. Iranians back in Iran DON’T watch the English language Iranian govt propaganda channel Press TV. Besides, he was presenting a book programme, so he wasn’t engaging with anyone ! Livingstone and his backers in the Labour Party can try and wriggle out of this one as much as they like, but he cannot alter the fact that he has worked for an organisation that is funded and run by the theocratic regime in Tehran that KILLS gays. Shameful.
Look there is no discussion . Livingstone has welcomed and embraced sheik Quaradwi, a vile homophobe and virulent antisemite . Livingstone has figured it out that he can alienate Jews and gays in exchange for the Muslim vote . Just as Galloway did . It’s a numbers game .
Get out there , canvas for Boris and don’t let this despicable person back in a second time