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Judge criticises New York City over birth certificate change for trans man

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  1. countrygirl_jo 26 Mar 2012, 11:28pm

    It’s a very unfortunate headline Pink News. It suggests that the Judge was attacking the City for actually giving the guy a new birth certificate. He attacked them for the barriers they created.

    Please consider rephrasing it to make the headline fit the piece, as the link will show up in feeds thousands many times more than this piece is read?

    1. That’s what I thought as well!

  2. It’s the same situation over here, it’s not any better. The process in the UK is long-winded and unnecessary, with the whole ridiculous “Gender Recognition Certificate”. You have to submit yourself to a panel that decides whether you “pass” or not and you have to have enough “evidence” of living as another gender. This evidence is mainly based on medical records (so non-op trans people don’t stand a chance at passing) and outdated gender stereotypes. It basically forces you into having medicals you might not want if you want to be recognised as the gender you identify as. I don’t need a bloody certificate stating that the government is allowing me to identify as male. It’s not some panel made up of quangos using arbitrary rules that should be deciding my gender, it should be me. They’re thinking about changing the process over there and I think we should also do the same and look at how we can cut a lot of red tape out of being able to legally identify as whatever gender.

    1. Polly Conroy 27 Mar 2012, 12:10pm

      In addition, when the GRA first took effect, there was fast track process which avoided a lot of the hoop jumping. It never was clear to me why the fast track had to end…or did I miss the sky falling?

    2. I totally agree, I know who I am, and so do all my friends,my union and my employers. I even have a driving license and passport in my correct gender. So why should I jump through hoops for some part-time civil servants who undoubtedly make a pretty penny out of the process.

      Aah, silly me, there’s the reason!!

    3. Sorry to hear about your difficulties with the GRC Kale, but I know of two transwomen who got their certificate pre op with no problems at all.
      I can’t go for mine, because I refuse to get divorced first, so until gay marriage is legalised, I will technically always be male in the eyes of this wonderful government.. That’s my gripe with the law.

    4. Kale, Janet is right – let’s not kick the UK govt too hard on this issue. Compared to other countries (where genital surgery is compulsory before you can change your birth certiticate) trans people have it slightly easier in the UK. Of course there are still issues around marriage, representation in sports contests, insurance, etc…but at least things are better than they were before the GRA was passed.

  3. Elizabeth Marie Olsen 27 Mar 2012, 1:24am

    The Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund files a lawsuit against NYC’s DoH last year. It will languish for a couple of years before being heard. This judge’s statements can only help whe that lawsuit is finally heard. As a trans-ex-NYer, I look forward to the day that I can obtain my corrected birth certificate.

  4. And so it should be easier! Transgender people have so much to deal with from day to day. I was so pleased that here in Australia my transsexual friends can change their passports to state whether male or female. People shouldn’t have to have surgery to do so.

  5. The snda, an all legislation must be put into effect immediatly, as a national security measure for lgbt children an families, It has been brought to light that although eric holder and valerie jarret spoke of standing firm on measures to stop harrasment and assaults from hate crimes, it has been made known to the public that obama an a few others has not done all they can do to stop the violence and terrorism in schools it is said he has not passed nor signed off on the SNDA legislation , one of the first legislation along with any put together by any group or anyone , that is for caring for the chidlren who has been slain ans assaulted and commited suiceds beca;use of racism this is a shameful eye opener on obama and the others who have not put their signature on that legislation and gotton it out the door, this takes only one day to pass out the door an sign and deliver it fax it to every school district in all fifty states, with hand signat;ures of adminsration ,faculty signing

  6. This nation must act and act swiftly and effeciently and directly into the matter at hand which is hate crimes, and sex crimes almost always committed by the same type of monsters , biggots, and terrorists, pedephiliea , int the relighions bigots , causing the same atrocities, THE GLAAD MUST REPRIMAND ALONG WITH OTHERS HUMAN RIGHTS TASK FORCES PAT ROBERTSON, FOR HIS DEFAMATION AND INFLAMATORY REMARKS ABOUT THE GAY COMMUNITY AN FAMILIES, THIS IS A SICK A POLUTTED, DEMONIC MAN , I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT PAT ROBERTSON TRIED TO SOLICITE AN YOUNG WOMAN YOUNG ENOUGH TO BE HIS GRAND DAUGHTER FOR SEX, AND TO MIX IT UP ORGIES WITH SOME OF THE YOUNG WOMEN, THAT WORKS FOR THEIR NETWORK, THE YOUNG WOMAN WAS A GAY WOMAN THAT HE AND OTHER HATE GROUP FALSE AN BAD MINISTERS WHERE HARRASSING FOR SEX, HIS WIFE ALSO KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, AND ONE OF THE YOUNG GIRLS HE WAS TRYING TO ENGAGE SEX WITH IS THE COLORED GIRL THAT SITS BEHIND HIM ON HIS NETWORK HE IS A PERVERT, AND A CREEP AND A HYPOCRITE,

  7. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START BANNING BAD AND DANGEROUS HATE FILLED SATANIC PASTORS LIKE PAT ROBERTSON, HIM AN THE CHURCH OF GODS WHO ;;USE LIES AN DEFAMAATIONS AT LGBT COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN FOUND IN MORE SEX CRIMES AND PEDEHILIA IN THEIR MINISTRIES THAN THE PEOPLE THEY TALK BAD ABOUT, HAS DONE ANY OF THAT AND THE EVIL THINGS THEY DO AS BAD PASTORS, THEY MUST BAN THEM OFF THE AIR SPILLING DEFAMATION AND HATE INTO THE EARS OF FAMILIES AND CHILDREN, STIRRING UP HATRED ANDF VIOLENCE IN OUR NATIONS AND COMMUNITIES INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE A POSITVE MENTOR OF LOVE AN KINDNESS AND GOODWILL LIKE REAL ANGELS ARE, THE SPLC FOUND OUT WHAT I HAD ALREADY SAID, THAT THE KLANS ARE USING THE CHRISTIAN NAME AS A COVER UP FOR WHO THEY REALLY ARE , BUT WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR DEMONIC MOUTHS AND YOU HEAR THE HATE AND MALICE, THAT COME OUT TO BRAINWASH IGNORANT ADULTS , YOU REALIZE THEY ARE EVERYTHING BAD AND NOTHING ANGELIC, BY NO MEANS AT ALL, STRAIGHT UP WRONG, AND EVIL ,

  8. THE WICKEDNESS, OF THESE HIPPOCRITES LIKE PAT ROBERTSON IS STAGGERING, THEIR DEFAMATIONS ARE A DEPICTION OF THEIR OWN SELVES, AND THEIR OWN SEX CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN AND WOMEN, THE DEVINCI CODE SPEAKS ABOUT THE ABUSES BY AND IN THE RELIGIONS A DECADE LONG, MURDERS RAPES, AND ABUSES, OF FAMIILES, MANY PEOPLE SEEN HOW DEMONIC, AND EVIL THESE WICKED PEOPLE ARE THEY LIE ON ALL OTHERS AND THEY ARE WORSE THAN PEOPLE IN THE STREET, THEY ARE THE HEAD OF GANGS AND TRAFFICKING OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN, LIKE THEY FOUND IN ARIZONA MEGA CHURCH, AND OTHERS, THE SEX VIOLENCE AN SUITS AGAINST MANY RELIGONS NOW FOR RAPE AND ASS;AULT OF CHILDREN, AN SOME WOMEN, ALL HETERSEXUAL HATEMONGERING RELIGIONS, IS WHERE ALL THE SEX AND VIOLENT CRIMES ARE COMING FROM, NOT THE GAY COMMUNITY OR GAY CHURCHES, JUST THE HETERSEXUAL RELIGIONS, AN HETERSEXUAL MEN WHO ARE BIGOTS, THEY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE COMMITING HORRIFIC CRIMES RAPE MURDER, PEDEHILIA, INCEST, YOU NAME, JUST HETERSEXUAL RELIGIONS AN MEN, 99% THEIR DEMONS

  9. tHE NEWS MEDIA AND MEDIA MUST BAN HIM AND ALL HATE DEFAMATORS FROM THE MEDIA, THEIR LIES , SCARS , AND STIGMATIZES, ITS OUT RIGHT LIES A;N EVERYONE KNOWS IT, EVERYONE SEE THE TRUTH THAT IS NOT BRAINSWASHED WE HAVE NEW PAPERS AN NEW CHANNELS WHO THE HELL DO PAT ROBERTSON THINK HE IS KIDDING, WHO THE HELL IS RAPPING THISE CHLDREN AND WOMEN AND SEX TRAFFICKING THEM WHO ALONG WITH HIMSELF IS BUYING THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, FOR VIOLENT SEX ACTS, WHO IS THE HELL DO NOT KNOW WHO IS BEATING THE BRAINS OUT OF THE WOMEN AND THEN RAPPING AND MURDERING THEM INCLUDING THEIR OWN HUSBANDS HAS BEEN DOING THIS AND THEN RAPPING AN KILLING THIEIR CHILDREN, WHO THE HELL IS PAT ROBERTSON TRYING TO LIE ON AND ABOUT, DO HE THINK WE ARE ALL BLIND AN DUMB, WE CAN READ THE NEWS, AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ITS ALWAYS THE HETERSEXUALS, CAUSING TROUBLE ANDF KILLING ANF MURDERING AND RAPPING PEOPLE AN CHILDREN, IN EVERY COUNTRY, THE PROBLEMS ARE STILL TH HETERSESEXUALS , MAINLY T;HE BIGGOTS,

  10. AND YES , YOU MAKE SURE THOSE TRANS FAMIIES, GET THEIR UPDATED BIRTH CERTIFICATES AND PAPERWORK, AND PASSPORTS, BUT MEANWHILE YOU DO NOT CAUSE THEM ANY DISCRIMIATIONS AND STIGMAS , ALL TRANS NEED TO KEEP FOR THEMSELVES IN CASE OF EMERGENCY OLD PAPERWORK, ON THEIR BIRTH AN PHYSICAL MAKE UP IN CASE A HEALTH PROBLEM COMES UP AND IT IS NEEDED IN SUGERY OR FOR VITAL HEALTH PROBLEMS TO KNOW WHAT AND HOW TO PROCEED FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT IN OTHER AREAS, AND IF U;NDERSTOOD ABOUT A TRANSITION PROCEDURE, IT CAN SAVE TIME AND ANSWER OTHER HEALTH DELIMAS, IN SURGERY PROCEEDING IN OTHER AREAS, AND BETTER, MORE SPECIFIC HELP AIDS, THEY NEED TO KEEP THE CONFIDENTIOALLY IN FILES AT THEIR HOMES AND IN THE FILES OF THEIR PRIVATE DOCTORS WHO DONE THE PRODECURE, AND KEPT CONFIDENTIAL UNLESS ITS AN EMERGENCY FOR THE TRANS, PAPERWORK NEEDED AND HEALTH PROBLEMS, AND JUST MOVE ON , PEOPLE GET A GRIP ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TRANS , LGBTS, BIS, AND HETESEXUALS HAVE ALL BEEN AROUND SENSE THE BEGINNING OF TIME,

  11. Kudos to Justice Paul G. Feinman of the Manhattan State Supreme Court.

    1. Jodi Rives 27 Mar 2012, 7:51am

      Jonpol, I meant to click “good comment” and missed. Sorry.

      1. should have gone to specsavers, no worry i will thumb up Jonpol for you

  12. I’m still debating with myself whether a birth certificate needs to be changed,giving the person as baby did not change. Unless of course the baby is ambiguous in sex. What I think would be best, if we stopped using birth certificates at all as proof of. And we all and I mean all tick a box when we become adults on how we want our gender to be seen as and that is what is used.

    1. The UK Birth Certificate already has the words “WARNING : A CERTIFICATE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF IDENTITY” on in BIG FRIENDLY RED LETTERS at the bottom.

      It’s still required to be produced when going for a drivers license, passport, when enrolling at a University, when applying for a job involving teaching, security, or children, opening a bank account, getting a mobile phone, getting a pass to access your workplace, and in fact every context where Identity is important.

      I’m Intersex, and looked mostly male at birth. That changed during puberty. As I’m technically not Transsexual, (an Intersex condition precludes that diagnosis) I can’t provide the medical evidence of Transsexuality needed to get my Birth Certificate changed. So my UK BC says “Boy” , despite my OB/GYN’s reports on my actual anatomy.

      My UK passport says “F”, but that’s based on biology and current appearance, not appearance at birth.

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