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Jewish Chronicle column suggests marriage equality will lead to incestous marriages

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 4:11pm

    Here we go again, the nonsense about polgyamy, incest, besitality. Wiah is THIER obsession with all this I wonder? It might hold some credence if any of them could produce the factual evidence for these absurd and outrageously offencive claims. We’ve had civil marriage equality in Holland for over ten years now. If they’re going to harp on about incest and poygamy, why haven’t they first produced any factual evidence say from Holland for example and the remaining 9 countries where we can marry. The truth of the matter is, they can’t, not one shred. This is more to do about pandering to fear and bigotry, having it all their way, i.e. the religious way to the exclusion of everyone else. The sooner they learn to distinguish what is religious and what is civil, the better. The bigotry is mind-boggling and their argument lame and transparent.

    1. My thoughts exactly Robert!

    2. For me, it’s just a way of concealing their homophobia. They don’t want to face facts, they just want to keep things as they are. They fear change and will do all that they can to oppose it. They are a dying breed and I think they know it.

      1. The more religionists put forward this nonsense the more they leave their utterances on other issues open to ridicule. Including their main religious message. It’s almost as if they are trying to lose credibility?

    3. Raising these “side issues”, along with negativity around homosexuality is a strategic measure declared ( and often funded) by the NOM, and their international partners, see the previously confidential documents disclosed today in the USA, downloadable from

      http://www.hrc.org/nomexposed/entry/must-read#.T3GUkaN5mK2

    4. right wing religions are the curse of humanity. I';m surprised t hese people dont stone their daughters to death if they are found to be non-virgins on there wedding day.

      On the other hand are the progressives who dont want to continue to live in the dark ages.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 4:12pm

    …What is THEIR obsession with all this nonsense I wonder…I meant to have said.

    1. Purely strategic, see above.

  3. Surely heterosexual marriage is more likely to lead to incestuous marriages being legalised as the number of families with two gay people of the same gender must be far smaller than the number of families containing two heterosexual people of opposite genders!

    It’s all a load of ridiculous nonsense!

    1. Of course. They know that (I think). Their aim is to raise disgust in people’s minds, and associate it with us. To negativise homosexuality and gay marriage.

  4. I am becoming more and more convinced that those who harp on about that we might as well legalise incest too are the ones who actualy practice it. After all, we are the ones who practice (well I don’t practie anymore as I have perfected it) gay sex!

    I mean FFS when will these people take their heads out of their arses and see that the world will not explode because a loving gay couple can get married in a CIVIL marriage!

  5. More poisonous dishonest religion based lies. All they can do is bloody lie. They have no honest argument, so they lie. And the simple minded bloody fools who believe suck it up.

    Once more for the hard of thinking – Given that civil marriage is much like a contractual relationship, one of the basic requirements is that the terms and conditions must be legal. It is not possible to sign away legal culpability or sign documents that excuse legal action. Incest is not legal.

    There are many legislative documents and many many years of jurisprudence that mean we can understand the marriage relationship between two people. The genders of those people are not relevant. The law cannot and does not identify equivalent multiple partner relationships.

    Everything they do is bearing false bloody witness. Filthy bloody hypocrites with decrepit anachronistic dogma in hand acting as if they have any right to force any of us to comply with their dumb bloody fairy tales.

    1. And now you can see it set out strategically:

      http://www.hrc.org/nomexposed/entry/must-read#.T3GUkaN5mK2

  6. Plus, it has to be said that biblical marriage does allow and endorse incestuous marriage. Abraham, the founding father of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, married his own sister. Lot (the only righteous soul saved from Sodom & Gomorrah) then impregnated his two daughters.

    If there is any real risk of incestuous marriage it comes from the church, not from gay people.

    1. Paddyswurds 26 Mar 2012, 4:37pm

      @…
      ….And don’t forget the beardy dude himself who supposedly became a ghost (spirit) so he could impregnate his own mother so he could become human……
      Then we have Adam and Eve whose murderous son had it away with his own mother and Adam who had it away with his grand daughters. #
      Then there was the dude with the big boat, noah who had it away with his daughters and on and on…. Do these idiots read their own rule books, cause if thy did they would keep very very quiet about incest, beastiality and paedophilia…………….

      1. We all know the religious freaks only chose to use the sections they consider relevant against us!

        Paddy, you should debate this issue on TV with the religious lot, you would run rings round them!

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 5:12pm

          I would love to see Professor Richard Dawkins debate the religious nutters and put them in their place once and for all. He’d wipe the floor with them with his eyes closed.

  7. Paddyswurds 26 Mar 2012, 4:29pm

    8

  8. Paddyswurds 26 Mar 2012, 4:30pm

    Hasn’t all this shyte been rolled out before at the emancipation of Black people and abolishment of slavery. The religious buybiul thumpers really did think the end of the world would be hastened if Black people were to be considered Human equal to white people. The ridiculousness of their position gets even more bizarre by the hour, however they are wasting their time . We will have equality or die trying.

  9. Erm… first cousins are allowed to marry.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 5:08pm

      Blood relative first cousins, heterosexual incest in no uncertain terms.

      1. Paddyswurds 27 Mar 2012, 6:54pm

        Incest is common in heterosexual families and is also a hotbed of paedophilia.

        1. Paddyswurds 27 Mar 2012, 6:57pm

          Incest is common in heterosexual families, which are also a hotbed of paedophilia. ***

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 5:10pm

      A favourite among European royalty I might add up until recently. Inbreeding didn’t produce much in the looks or intelligence department either.

  10. Change the record please, religious loonies.

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 5:07pm

    And lets look at polygamy and incest in the bible. Virtually 100% heterosexual in nature, especially polygamy. This is the book the holy rolllers claim is the “word of their God” which supposedly “defined” what “traditional” marriage is. There hasn’t been one documented case of a polygamous same-sex marriage or of an incestuous oneand I daresay very few heterosexual unions of that nature. This whole bloody argument from the bigots is so fraudulent and ludicrous. Do they actually believe Parliament is going to accede to polygamous and incestuous marriages when the majority of us wouldn’t even support that sort of thing, nor should we, and can the religious bigots identify who those people who will be clamouring for it? It certainly won’t be gay people. Who on earth would be conducting such marriages if not registrars and clergy who would be prohibited from doing so just as they will be from performing same-sex marriages?

  12. Atheist Fringe Atheist Ponytail 26 Mar 2012, 5:26pm

    Ah, Judaism. The first ‘faith’ in which a grown man looked at a baby boy’s penis, and decided “I MUST do something with that foreskin.”

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 6:05pm

      A primitive practice from a primitive cult, sexual mutilation of males. It caught on in America where its considered a health matter, although it’s diminishing. There are those in one camp who claim it diminishes the incidence of STD transmissions, but there are those who say the opposite. There are medical reasons where it is warranted in some cases, but I don’t believe it should be done automatically to satisfy some religious covenant that only applied to two of the three Abrahamic cults, the first monotheistic cult, i.e. Judaism which defined religious marriage and the other, Islam which sanctioned polygamous marriages to this day in some parts of their world, up to four wives at a time.

      1. Atheist Fringe Atheist Ponytail 26 Mar 2012, 7:30pm

        Love your writing.

      2. Bisexual woman in Edinburgh 5 Apr 2012, 6:32pm

        It’s worth knowing that there are a growing number of Jews who oppose circumcision (http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/). Sadly, the various denominations still officially support it, as far as I am aware.

        The Jews aren’t the first group to practice male circumcision incidentally, and they are not the only group to do so today. Is there any particular reason why you’re attacking them on this front?

  13. Presumably it’s all happening then in the Netherlands, Belgium , Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Argentina and parts of the USA. Have I missed any off?
    Stupid, stupid RC fools.

    1. err…this time its not about RC

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 6:09pm

      Actually, Ian, the religious nutters who are spewing all of this polygamy and incest nonsense never bothered to find out if there were any legitimate studies in those countries which would support their ridiculous claims. If it were me, I would have made sure I was armed with the factual evidence, but none of them can come up with one shred because none exists. That shows just how stupid and ignorant they are.

      1. Tim Hopkins 27 Mar 2012, 8:54am

        Right. There are around 50 countries with laws enabling polygamous marriage. Only one, South Africa, also has same-sex marriage, and of course polygamy there long predated same-sex marriage. For example (as I discovered watching Invictus the other day, although that may not be a totally relaible source!), Nelson Mandela’s father was in a polygamous marriage.

      2. It doesn’t have to make sense, their aim is to get a negative emotional response and link it to us.

  14. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2012, 5:38pm

    The religious nutters including the major cults were using the same identical language when the CP consultation was ongoing. Look what happened….NOTHING! These idiots are actually helping win our fight for marriage equality by their absurd and overly exaggerated false claims and statements that were already debunked when CPs were introduced. Let them rant and rave, they’re making themselves look more irrelevant as we head towards full equality.

  15. Yawn.

    More cult bigotry.

    Religion really is disgusting

  16. ‘…They cleave to an institution, not to the essence upon which that institution is built…’

    Excellent portrait of religious opposition to equal marriage

  17. Keith Farrell 26 Mar 2012, 6:05pm

    reading the coments, it seems that we all feel the same, some idiot always wants to say us getting married is going to lead in funny relationships, please, they said the same things about mixed marrages. who the hell cares, it is too people who want to comit to each other. If this person want to marry his broth thats his problem, we are not talking insest (family games) we are talking about to sane people loving each other.
    Proof once again that there are stupid people trying to make us all follow their path to god, but we all have our own way to find god

    1. Or have simply chose not to even look for the old fella (girl, entity, etc).

  18. Incest? How? – Same sex is not the same as same bloodline – Next they’ll be claiming that Jews are a race and not just another bigoted superstition – oh wait they do claim that –
    The pre-occupation with this issue comes from all these cults who despite their hypercritical ‘teachings’ or brainwashings still are threatened by same sex relationships.
    The various versions of each faiths Grimm Fairy Tales are just made up by those who head these groups it’s truly pathetic and worryingly backward!

  19. Funny thing about incest. Most of it seems to be heterosexual, for the obvious statistical reasons, yet permitting marriage between a man and a woman is never depicted as a slippery slope on the way to it. Incestuous marriages were pretty common, especially amongst royals, in ancient cultures, and again was pretty much a straight phenomenon. I think it’s time this fox was shot. I don’t see why anybody should care if closely related consenting adults boff each other or even get married. If they are straight they just shouldn’t have kids, that’s all, because of the obvious genetic problems.

  20. Ooh – slippery slope arguments. How about we ban Jewish circumcisions because it will lead to slitting of babies’ throats? (And let’s face it, incestuous marriage would presumably be consensual, unlike infant circumcision.)

    1. Keith Farrell 26 Mar 2012, 10:57pm

      I wonder if we can find a cure for you. most of us are prepared to say who we are. there is no cure for being homosexual, it is not something that you catch or infects people, no one decides one ay they are going to be gay, we are gay, get over it, being a moron is also no something which you can catch, it is something which might come from the insest in your family, so I would suggest that you do not have children in case you passwhat ever it is that you have on to the children

      1. Keith Farrell 26 Mar 2012, 11:01pm

        sorry I dont know how this went to here on the page, it was ment for an idiot you uses the name homosexual cure or something like that

        1. When the posts of a troll like Keith the coprophiliac are deleted, all the comments in response to his witterings end up at the end of the page. Annoying, but not as annoying as that attention-seeker is.

    2. Bisexual woman in Edinburgh 5 Apr 2012, 6:34pm

      Speaking as someone who was raised Jewish, I would be thrilled if all circumcision for cultural reasons (as opposed to when it is genuinely medically necessary, which is extremely rare) were to be banned. Not because it would lead to slitting babies’ throats, but because it is harmful in itself. I’m not the only one, either: look at http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/.

  21. These silly pretexts that are designed to avoid equality are demeaning to the people who advance them.

  22. There’s not usually much reasoning behind prejudice.

  23. Who is Geoffrey Alderman anyway?

  24. Keith my poor sweet, not for the first time you’re getting a little confused and are mixing up your red herrings. Time for a little lie-down I think. One of those little pills might help too.

  25. An interesting, if depressing, contrast to Rabbi Aaron Goldstein’s article last week.

  26. Jock S. Trap 27 Mar 2012, 10:46am

    Boring… next argument, please.

  27. Ah, the irony. The Christian Institute that is backing the Coalition for Marriage was arguing before civil partnerships were introduced that two sisters should be allowed to marry. So apparently it’s OK for orthodox theists to back a campaign supported by people who promote incest, whilst accusing the LGBT community of itself supporting incest.

    1. I remember opponents of civil partnerships wanted them extended to two elderly sisters, for example, as part of their strategy, however I don’t recall what you’re saying here.

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