An unfortunate event but very fortunate that no one was hurt. Although I feel for them, it’s very important, and just plain common sense to study up on local laws and customs of any country one travels to. Walking around like you’re in your home country can get you in all kinds of trouble.
To answer the question of the article though, I would have to say it is fairly asinine to create a tour to places that don’t want you. It would seem to me that the couple has grounds to sue the cruise to get their $4000 back.
depends on what steps management took to make attendees aware of island’s legal situation with regards to gay/indecency laws
sorry, I dont agree with you, this article makes it clear that straight couples would have been subject to the same laws, so tell me just how many straight couples have face this court. I say sue the tour opperator for putting them in harms way and for the smae and embarasment they suffered, the tour operator can sue the shipping line, because it would seem that someone onboard called the police. equal treatment, that is why we want equal rights.
how this article is making sure that straight couples would have been subject to the same laws?
straight couple if committed indecent exposure would have been arrested too, minus homophobic treatment of course
Let’s be controversial: this is just another aspect of the American mindset which believes Americans can do no wrong and, what’s more, are justified in proving this wherever they go. Gay or straight, Americans are immutably American with all that implies.
I don’t see how you can assert something so completely speculative as if its a fact in this particular story…
So they got a taste of what the local population can expect if arrested for being gay. That homosexuality is illegal is not a secret and ten seconds on google before selecting a holiday destination would have made it very clear that there was a potential for trouble and that you should be very careful before you even think of disembarking there.
You could shrug and do nothing. Or you could say – I won’t go to that place, I won’t give them my money, I will show solidarity and say that “I will not visit countryX because countryX treats LGBT people inhumanely.”
Ignoring a known legal issue and thinking that being a tourist makes you immune was a foolish choice made by naive men who should be old enough to know better.
not withstanding what you said there are legal obligations on cruise organisers to provide safe environment and relevant information in situations where ‘gay behavior’ might exposed attendees to arrest and legal action. its not good enough for them to assume that people will do research themselves
That is probably true, there may well be a duty of care in play and this may lead to a civil case. But that has no bearing on a criminal charge, ignorance has never been a defence.
We don’t really know all the details here – if they were having sex in public, thats not very classy. If they were mistreated by the local authorities for being gay – that’s an issue.
People should not be afraid to travel to destinations because of their orientation, and homosexuals should not have to avoid choosing to visit countries because of local laws and customs. Some rights groups have called for a boycott of St Petersburg due to the recent legislation that has come in, which I don’t agree with. Not only do we have a right to travel, we should support gays in those regions who do not need to feel isolated by their own governments.
Why should the gay community give their money to homophobic destinations in the first place? Yes…we need to be afraid to be in these places. As was demonstrated, the tour company will not come to your rescue or minimize the punishments if so given by the local police. Atlantis could have/should have squashed this immediately with the local authorities. Very, very doubtful if same repercussions would have resulted with a straight couple.
I live in America and trying to get a boat load of party going gay men to consider political realities is very difficult. Most American’s have no real idea of the problems LGBT people face in other countries. The cruise organisers couldn’t care less about the local gay’s in the islands they sail to. The bottom line is profit. The Island bigots want our cash but they would like us to be invisible. I refuse to go to any country that makes a criminal of any LGBT person and I damn well won’t give them my money for doing it either.
oops, accidentally clicked bad comment. Sorry. I agree with your comment in it’s entirety.
“denied the accusation that he had sex in public, saying they were ‘partially clothed’”
So in other words they haven’t denied having sex in public. Accepting a charge of indecent exposure does seem to infer that they were caught being indecent, and as such should accept the consequences.
no – actually he DID deny that he had sex in public (as you already said….)
What if they were ‘partially clothed’ and the indecency committed was the type of ‘making out’ two gay guys are known to do?
As straight lovers on a honeymoon trip would act; when gay lovers do the same, it is a issue… Don’t matter where, even in America the act of gay loving is looked at as indecent.
Not to the defend the attitude of the authorities there (in Dominica) but one should respect the local laws everywhere you are going to.
Local laws? Try if you are gay, man or woman, with a same sex lover setting on a park bench, kissing & fondling each other. It’s not the same as when viewing straight lovers, even here in America…
Notwithstanding the couples naive actions the extreme homophobia and trauma they went through makes the statement by the cruise organizer seem callous and insensitive. It is too ridiculous for words to believe that a straight couple would have been treated the same. I doubt that argument would stand up in civil lawsuit
No sympathy. You don’t go having it off in front of a bunch of coons, and expect to get off scot free. Have you got no self-respect, you old fag?
I dont understand how anyone could be spotted doing anything on that giant ship. Someone must have been scouring it with binoculars to see anything.
One version of this report said something about them being seen through a window. If that’s the case, where is the charge of voyueism against whoever called in the charge against them? Or is it a case of the local authorities, knowing it to be a gay cruise, deliberately scanning the boat in hopes of catching someone through a not properly covered window? The way some of these countries are, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
According to this article, it is indeterminate where the incident took place.
However, this sounds like a clear case of entrapment. Corrupt authorities preying on tourists without resources.
An incident happened to me in Mexico where I was detained for 30 hours before being found guilty of “breaking windows” (untrue) and brought to a National Bank to withdraw funds to pay my “fine”.
BURN the place down. Scabs :(
Sounds to me like Dominica, where being gay is illegal, knew this boat was coming into dock and where looking to cause a homophobic arrest. Hopefully the gay cruise ships won’t go there is future. Which is what Dominica probably did this for.
Why out of all the 1000s of gay men on this boat were only these two arrested?
Might it be something to do with THEIR behaviour? Obviously we’re unlikely to find out.
I’m not of the view that equal rights includes the right for gay men to have sex in public wherever and whenever they choose.
I think you need to actually read the article and not get carried away with speculation and your own projected prejudices…
couldn’t you put the word “gay” in the headline title at least a couple more time????
the only thing gay means is they are happy homosexuals im glad that they were in a place that still has values and morals life does not procreate between two people of the same sex they are lucky they were not in the middle east they woul have lost alot more than time and money!!!!!!!!!
If Dominica had values, it would leave people to be free to be who they are regardless of their sexual orientation!
As per usual, I’m shocked at the level of knee-jerk responses being posted.
A large percentage of people posting on here are indulging in pure speculation based on their own prejudices instead of actually reading the article(s) itself/themselves.
The information in the original article was scant as was the information in this one yet people are convinced of the couple’s guilt.
Come on, people! READ & THINK!
so far we only get one side of story so ‘indulging in pure speculation’ is a natural reaction
Were these men guilty? Regardless of that specific debate iif you read the related articles, the same shipping line arriving at the same destination has experienced previous problems. In both cases the spokesperson for the cruise was some what disregarding of innocence/guilt citing local customs and laws.
I would say this places greater responsibility on the cruise operator to make the passengers aware of the local prejudices in this destination, or to take initiative of diverting the ship from this destination for gay cruises.
Innocence or guilt, I can’t help but suspect the possibility some one/authority is waiting for these ships to arrive!
How about the liner refuses to go to those countries where being gay is punishable?
They weren’t having sex but were ‘partially clothed.’ Yeah right. It’s dirty queers like this that put the whole gay movement back 50 years. Thanks for perpetuating the myth that gay people are all about sordid sex practices.
Actually, gay people who refer to ‘dirty queers’ probably do more damage than any others.
The problem with the Carribean is that some islands criminalize homosexuality and some don’t – unfortunately it is the English speaking islands which seem to have these outdated laws left over from the British Colonial era.
Travel companies have an obligation to look after tourists in their care and it would be advisable for gay travel operators to avoid islands and countries where their holidaymakers are liable to get arrested because of some stupid law.
I hope Atlantis Cruise Line will recognize the homophobia in that Port and take their ship and dollars elsewhere. I for one would reconsider any vacation to a country that has any kind of discrimination attached to it. This is NOT the 1960′s for Gods Sake!
It seems they were on their balcony, probably completely unaware they were being spied on (with military grade, high spec binoculars) from the mainland.
The authorities also made the point that cruise lines should be educating their passengers on local laws …. before they drilled someone else’s skull to let the demons out
seems unclear in the story if they were on the ship or in port? if on the ship then i say sue the company that is horrible; any kind of ship i have been on you are in not through customs until you are off the ship. if on land the questions get more complicated.
Why are some gay people soo stupid to go on a cruise that travels to homophobic countries ?,where being gay is a crime and inadvertently bolster the economy of a homophobic state, which in effect should be boycotted. I’ve actually met gay menthat go on holiday to dubai and the middle east in their desperation(yes these clowns do actually exist).
My mother is from this country. And I have visited many times.. they are very homophobic and so is she! They were treated this way because they were gay. The cruise ships should do their research and inform their customers as to the places they’re going to.. and the laws of the land. Dominica is not gay friendly, like most of the Caribbean islands.
Be you Gay or straight and I happen to be a very proud member of the Gay Community you should at all times respect other people and traditions when travelling.
If you are not comfortable with that well stay at home
I wish people respect us, our traditions, laws and liberal attitudes when they choose to visit us in the UK or even live here!
Atlantis events really do need to get their act together and refuse to run events to the Dominican Republic. It appears that only loss of income seems to change policy in some countries these days. Plus would I really want to go on a cruise myself that called here. No ! Get your act together Atlantis and start defending your client group rather than the homophobic countries that generate you money.