Religion poisons everything. Forcing me to comply with their ridiculous dogma through force of law that steals my rights makes them more like the bloody Taliban.
Imagine if there were more muslim MPs than there are at present and that they had been asked to meet an immam at the mosque regarding the consultation. I think there would be outrage from all quarters not just LGBT.
the catholic church is simply the Islam of the west. One must wonder which has murdered more over history.
I’m thinking of the xtian , read that catholic , crusades that killed tens of millions of MUslims. Societies have long memories.
BTW the Muslim civilization, before the crusades was the most advanced on the planet. They invented arabic numbers, the concept of zero, a constant base number system, wonderful architecture etc.
All the while finding a way to live in a mostly desert area,
While the catholic church created the hatred of Jews that hitler, a still unexcommunicated catholic, leveraged that hatred and 60 milliion died.
The vatican always needs someone to hate to keep the people from asking the hard questions, eg
the son of God Wasnt Osirus both a son of some god, as well as the father of a god named Horus in Egyption MYTHology
Wasnt Alexander the great of a virgin birth, pulled out of the forehead of Zeus, the god of war. He conquered the known world. eg murdered
Arab-Islamic culture had an enlightenment period so Europe had its renascence, when people concentrated on science an art. Nevertheless both religions are equally responsible for grave crimes against humanity
wonder how many children he molested as a priest.
Why do they do such things – these freakos are so screwed up and at the same time so desperate to replace the millions who see the church as a poo hole that they try and make more babies by doing both boys and girls.
The requirement to be a priest should include castration first. Protect the children.
If we club together and hire a posse of rent boys for this little meeting of theirs, we could perhaps help resolve one of the key issues of the marriage equality debate.
Why do we need to rent boys when we can do it ourselves?
Never send a boy to do a man’s job… except when you’re dealing with the Catholic Church, as I hear they are kind fond of boys.
We are all fond of boys.. Rather the Paedo church is fond of children don’t ya mean.
*quite not kind.
Nah, unless that is, the boys are children. That seems, from our experience here in Ireland , to be more to the catholic clergy’s liking.
What are the chances of the ones invited will be the ones he knows are against equal marriage?
His comments “It would reduce it just to the commitment of the two people involved” is so backward it is ridiculous. Marriage is about the two people involved irrespective of their sex or sexuality. And that marriage is about procreation, he is blatantly talking out of his backside!
Please find below specific quotes from an official vatican leaflet that is distributed in the UK via the Catholic Church, titled “CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”.
The UK leaflet is distributed via http://www.cts-online.org.uk/acatalog/info_DO707.html and the content of this leaflet is listed in full within the following official vatican webpage: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
BELOW, FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED LINKS, I HAVE COPIED THE SENTENCES THAT I FIND PARTICULARLY “HATE FUELLED”. THE VATICAN APPEAR TO BE DICTATING AND CONTROLLING WHAT/HOW OUR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED POLITICIANS VOTE?
SECTION IV. POSITIONS OF CATHOLIC POLITICIANS WITH REGARD TO LEGISLATION IN FAVOUR OF HOMOSEXUAL UNIONS
10. If it is true that all Catholics are obliged to oppose the legal recognition of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are obliged to do so in a particular way, in keeping with their responsibility as politicians. Faced with legislative proposals in favour of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are to take account of the following ethical indications.
When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic law-maker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favour of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral.
When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is already in force, the Catholic politician must oppose it in the ways that are possible for him and make his opposition known;
it is his duty to witness to the truth. If it is not possible to repeal such a law completely, the Catholic politician, recalling the indications contained in the Encyclical Letter Evangelium vitae, “could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality”, on condition that his “absolute personal opposition” to such laws was clear and well known and that the danger of scandal was avoided. This does not mean that a more restrictive law in this area could be considered just or even acceptable; rather, it is a question of the legitimate and dutiful attempt to obtain at least the partial repeal of an unjust law when its total abrogation is not possible at the moment.
Section II. POSITIONS ON THE PROBLEM OF HOMOSEXUAL UNIONS”, Bullet Point 5 (end of 2nd paragraph)”
“Those who would move from tolerance to the legitimization of specific rights for cohabiting homosexual persons need to be reminded that the approval or legalization of EVIL is something far different from the toleration of EVIL”
Disgusting hate language, what a filthy and controlling “religion” Catholicism is.
Proving once again that the Catholic Church is no more than a dictatorship run by old out of touch men for the benefit of old out of touch men.
“Tolerance of evil” is such a pretty, whistley tune… The lyrics go something like “When Adolf gassed the jews, gypsies and gays; we looked the other way…”. Can’t remember the chorus though, “We are rabid christo-fascists, everything we say is total sh!t…” Something like that.
Isn’t this sort of hate speech unlawful? If not it should be.
Proving, yet again, that the catholics (especially the gay ones) who sit in the pews, put money on the collection plates and tick the bloody census boxes are nothing but vile quislings who collaborate in oppression. The cult of Rome – and the fools in stupid costumes – are not fit to lick my boots, let alone tell me what to do.
Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant. It lives on the labours of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver.
This document is a brain child of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith formerly known as Inquisition whose head was current pope cardinal Ratzinger. Inquisition’s doctrine led to Copernicus’s De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium to be placed on the Index of Forbidden Books and Galileo Galilei to be admonished about his heliocentrism. It was this same body in 1633 that tried Galileo, and found him “vehemently suspected of heresy ” and banned Galileo’s Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems
And I wonder if the MP’s have been chosen by their opinion because I doubt they will be fairly picked.
As for saying that equal marriage would ‘reduce it just to the commitment of two people’ what the blazes? It’s all about the commitment of two people anyway Nothing changes.
On one hand they say they disagree with discrimination then in the other discriminate by insulting the love of same sex couples. What a sham.
Yet again religion is poking it’s bigoted noses into a marriage that has Nothing to do with them, End of!
I suspect they are all either Catholic or have a long record of opposition to LGBT rights.
Exactly all bias none giving equality to the argument.
Who the Hell does he think he is?
What purpose has this organised cult have in deciding equality?
I thought the church was separate from the state? Therefore, why does the the church have any say upon a state/civil marriage?!!
Civil marriages are actively prohibited from demonstrating ANY religious influence: NO hymns, NO candles, NO mention of “god”!
I am in a civil partnership. My work colleagues who are members of these “god squads” have openly stated, “we chose to recognise civil marriage but we do not recognise nor accept a civil partnership”.
Since a civil marriage ceremony actively removes any religious influence, then why are religions choosing to selectively “accept” civil marriage??
Religious influence should NEVER over-ride the human rights of the individual.
For some reason this whole thing made me think of the Legion of Doom :P
We need the names of the MP’s attending this meeting- and their political parties. How have these MP’s been selected? Are they the usual suspects like Peter Bone, Roger Gale, Nadine Dorries etc etc? Their votes on equal marriage can already be predicted. and what about those MP’s invited who don’t attend? Are we to assume that they are going to vote in favour of equality? I don’t think this meeting is going to achieve anything for anybody. The Catholic churches position on this issue is already widely know. Thank goodness for Elizabeth 1st!
I hope they they reject his invitation.
Why would MP’s want anything to do with a defender of child rapists as this archbishop no doubtedly is?
I hope nobody, or only a desultory handful, of MPs show up to this. The catholic hierarchy has no business “briefing” our elected MPs.
It’s an international criminal organisation committed to the grossest of immoralities, bigotries and nastiness. It should be closed down and prosecuted. Even just humouring and ignoring it isn’t a sufficient response – we must come down hard on these vile people and this vile cult just as we would on any other organisation. The fact it hides behind the religiosity of its bigotry should make no difference at all – religiosity simply means it doesn’t have any good arguments for its positions.
Actually it would be funny if a few MP’s went and after the meeting they gave a statement condemning the defender of child rapists’ toxic bigotry
Like that would ever happen :(
Equality,,, what a laught…these bigots…what about equality for women in the catholic church??No, all these dick heads are concerned about is getting future supply of young boys for their pleasure…
I suspect there will be a considerable number of MPs attending. There are opponents in all 3 parties make no mistake about that., it’s not just conservatives.
The Roman Catholic cult is clearly interfering in the political system trying to impose its religious beliefs on the population the majority of which aren’t even catholic. It’s a pity the Catholic Emancipation Act were ever passed. Time to make noise about that. Who do they think they are dictating to the government what it can and cannot do, since when? It wonders why there is so much anti-catholic sentiment. If it wants a war, it’s going to get it.
The Vatican would also like to “help” Cuba.
I’m so grateful I’m not Cuban.
What galls me is that nobody in authority is countering these evil hate-mongers, why I wonder?
I love this ection where this man says “But our present law does not discriminate unjustly” so what he is saying is it is ok to dicrimanate when you feel justifed. what an idiot
It’s the nature of those who are ignorant, to fear.
It’s the nature of those who fear, to be superstitious.
It’s the nature of the superstitious to bind their fears into tradition.
And that’s how we have religion.
It should be how we need bigger sewer pipes to get rid of all these feces.
The arrogance of these catholic bishops is absolutely breath-taking. Who do they think they are inviting MPs to their cause? To me it’s undermining the government and in another time would be construed as treason. This has more to do with subversion and influencing the outcome of civil laws to promote its religious agenda of hate and intolerance on the British public. The usual suspects will turn up, make no mistake about that.
The picture of the Archbishop makes him look like a clown. This religion that rapes children and then hides the priest who did it. The Christians read this and respond in different ways so don’t believe everything you read but we can know for sure that the Catholic Church is the main force behind the anti-gay movement around the world. They hide this fact like they hide their pedophile priest. The Christians are trying to sway gay opinion by infiltrating the LGBT groups and taking over. Expose these fakes and throw them out before they wreck the movement. Some of you know who these people are. Some of you don’t. The Christians think nobody knows who they are and what they are doing. If your movement is not going so good where ever you are look for the “gay” person who is a spy for the Christians and expose them for who they are. Happy hunting.
Whilst what you are saying is frankly bonkers, I’d like to say thank you for making me laugh during a crappy day at the office so cheers.
There’s one!!! There’s one!!! Quick, burn the witch!!!
If I make an FoI request to my MP asking him if he has been invited to meet the Catholic Archbishop of Southwark to discuss the equal gay marriage proposals, would he have to tell me?
Even if he doesn’t have to tell you, what’s to stop someone from waiting outside the venue and taking photos of people going in, then find out who they are, then post the photos online for all to identify assuming we’ll have full details as to where the meeting will be held, supposedly at the Archbishop’s residence at St. George’s Cathedral in Southwark perhaps?
let’s see, a representative of a foreign state, “summoning” members of parliament, to try and affect national policy?
sounds like treason to me.
The church of Italy needs to keep its nose out of British politics. The MP’s who attend this summoning should be blacklisted. Henry the 8th will be turning in his grave.
Better yet, prosecute the bishop for subversion of government. The Church of Rome is a foreign entity and its leader, a head of state. Since when do our MPs bow to foreign leaders and their respresentatives? Something should be done about it.
The appropriate course would be to do what Ireland has done and recall the ambassador to the Vatican.
Please please….to all Catholic priests reading this…get your. ucking Bishops to shut their mouths…thay are doing more harm than good to the Catholic church….no body cares that there are GAY guys going to church…get over it and sort out the mess in the church….YOUR KILLING OUR RELIGION…..
As a former catholic, now an avowed atheist, I can say none of them would dare challenge the authority of their bishops, they’re part of the problem, not the solution. Now if they left the church for good, that would be something far more effective. It deserves the ridicule, derision and scorn of the public and is hardly in a position to make moral pronouncements about anyone or anything, least of all same-sex civil marriage given it’s almost two millenia old tradition of paedophilia, misogyny, subjugation of native peoples in the new world and the torture and execution of Jews in Spain, not to mention gays burned at the stake in our own country and calling condom distribution evil. In fact, it’s morally bankrupt on just about everything it represents, the epitomy of pure evil.
And they believe they are 100% right and this is all a big challenge from god, oop’s.
Ha! And Smith’s one of the more liberal bishops as well!
Let’s face it, the RCC is not interfering in any way. If a politician wishes to call himself a Catholic then he has to live up to those standards. If he doesn’t live up to those then he must choose to reject that Catholicism.
Yes, all heretics must be excommunicated, since it is no longer fashionable to burn them. Religious freedom means doing as you’re told.
Let’s face it, few catholic clergy live up to the teachings of Jesus Christ, preaching hatred and intolerance isn’t christlike or christian and neither is harbouring and covering centuries of paedophilia. When they admonish congregants and MPs to oppose marriage equality by spreading lies and disinformation about the consultation, hypocrisy of the worst kind, they ARE indeed interfering and in this instance, running interference in what is a purely CIVIL issue that thas NOTHING to do with anyone’s religion. The government are not telling them what to do within the confines of their church and beliefs, so they should stay the bloody hell out of politics and issues that are none of their business. If David Cameron started lecturing to the Vatican there would be uproar and condemnation from the religious nutters. They can’t have it both ways.
What standards? A bunch of old parasites who live lavish lifestyles funded by contributions from the world’s poor? Even without their blatant covering up of criminal child abuse for centuries they have proven themselves as morally corrupt.
Just because they say they’re a force for good does not mean they are. They might believe their own advertising, but you don’t have to.
They are striving to prove that the “militant secularists” are so right. That they are vindicated in everything they have said.
The cheek of the old queer.
It all sounds rather sinister to me.
It sounds more like these MPs have been sponsored by the Catholic church to do their work rather than elected by the general public to do what we want.
I hope they remember it’s us they are working for and not the Catholic church. They represent non catholics, lgbt people and also catholics who are fully in favour of marriage equality.
If this group of 80 MPs were being invited to special get together with an arms dealer or a big corporate company to buy influence we’d all be up in arms saying how corrupt they are.
Perhaps they need reminding that when we vote for a theocracy we will let them know?
I have always had the view, deep down, that when the battle for equal marriage is finally won (and it will, of that I’m sure), gay relationships will become “normalised” in the eyes of society as a whole. This simply makes it harder for the churches to spread hate and to divide and rule; and let’s be honest about this – this is not an issue about morality, or scripture, or anything remotely like that. At the end of the day, it’s about power – power that will be lost. No wonder why the established churches are so anxious.
Marriage is a civil contract. Any religious part is optional. End of.
This is something I have posted a few times-
The right to Freedom of religion in the United Kingdom is provided for in all three constituent legal systems, by devolved, national, European, and international law and treaty. Four constituent nations compose the United Kingdom, resulting in an inconsistent religious character, and there is no state church for the whole kingdom. The United Kingdom is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), which provides in Article 9 a right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion; and the policy of the British government is to support religious freedom.
No religion owns marriage. People of any faiths can get married. Same sex marriages do not take away from opposite sex marriages. Someday, they will lose the battle and same sex marriage will be legal in the UK.
Time for the Archbishop to get real and go along to one of the public consultations. Absolutely NO need for the MPs to waste their time going along at HIS behest & convenience to see him.
Baroness Shirley Williams lib dem is one of the trustees of The Tablet, along with some our peers.
Perhpas some of us can write to her and ask her who the MPs that are being invited and whether they are going to vote simply as Catholic disciple of the Pope or for what is right and fair and what their party policy and govt policy is!
no point in meeting mps if the tories value their election next time they will introduce marriage equality if not then they can say goodbye. as for the catholic church CHILD ABUSES
Why isn’t the C4EM petition on the homepage of PN? No wonder the turnout for signatures is dismally low, only 33,770 so far compared to almost 301,000 for C4M. What’s wrong with people? Don’t they care about their rights? We’re very disorganised unlike our opponents who’ve had months of planning, whereas C4M has only just been around for a week. Seems a bit late in the game to expect it to surpass C4M’s petition. If we don’t fight back, we’re going to lose. I urge PN to put the petition on the homepage where it belongs otherwise Anne Widdecombe’s prediction that there will be more supporters in opposition than those for equal marriage may just come to fruition. Indifference is a very dangerous thing. It’s extremely disturbing.
C4EM has only just been around for a week, I meant to have said, my apologies.
The RCC is treading on very thin ice and inferering in state matters that are of no concern of theirs at all. If they do not like the UK then they have on open ticket to close their ‘churches’ and return to the Vatican.
Can’t he go to their consultation hours like any other British citizen? Church ‘n state like. Just sayin’.
i feel that homosexual relationships are wrong they have no morals or values it is a perverted lifestyle and if you condon that then you condon the child abuse,rape and all the other lusts of the flesh, they have no comon sense i can see by the stuff they are saying that they hate god and this lifestyle they live is how they spit in his face deep down in thier soul they know they are wrong and when the time comes they will pay for it and they know it
Now why would anyone listen to someone like you with such an obvious lack of schooling? You can’t even write, you sound illiterate.
Does the Bible(word of God) not condone a husband raping his wife or am I wrong?