*cough* Daily Mail reader *cough*
Did you read the story? Doesn’t seem the type to read anything. Other than the Daily Sports. For the articles, obviously.
Clearly some lower-class piece of trash.
The whole notion of ‘trash’ is the very philosophy that this idiot bought into himself….
…its counter productive to be labelling people ‘trash’
Are you suggesting an upper-class piece of trash would have been preferable?
The Sun by the sounds of it…
Daily Mail readers kill with their smile and their intellect…
Attacking all of the staff that operate on a plane is not also morally wrong but extremely dangerous to safety, this man is a terrorist and deserves a much longer sentence.
The offence of endangering the safety of an aircraft carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. I can not locate the sentencing guidelines for the offence (if they exist) so have to presume that the judge or magistrates have to consider prior offending, level of danger to aircraft, aggravating factors etc as per general offences. So without knowing the precons of theis individual its difficult to say if it was genuinely lenient (although at face value it does appear so).
I have tried to look at a few other endangering aircraft sentencings recently:
Last week in Derby Crown Court a, Mr Kemp admitted recklessly endangering an aircraft and the people inside. He was given a six-month jail sentence, suspended for two years.
At Teesside Crown Court at the end of 2011 a male received a 21 day sentence for endangering an aircraft.
If anything this was a strong sentence if these other cases are anything to do by. It is shocking the courts dont see it mroe seriously
…similar offenses here in Ireland carry a minimum of 2 years imprisonment and 20 years barred from flying.. This thug got off way too lightly. No deterrent in in this sort of sentence. It’s a holiday to morons like him.
I hadnt heard of Irelands ban on flying. I think its a marvellous idea and an appropriate measure both as punishment and to ensure public safety.
I also think 2 years minimum where passenger aircraft are endangered is entirely reasonable (and higher for those where either they have significant prior convictions or there are aggravating factors!).
Shame the UK courts have been so weak on this issue.
he is not a moron there are 2 sides to every story
I know John and he’s been portrayed as a homophobic person. I know that John has friends that are gay, my eldest son is gay and John is never disrespectful to my son or his partners. I grew up with John and if you knew him you would Norway such things about him. He is not a terrorist nor is he homophobic. The thing with John he is naturally very loud and is often misunderstood as a result. He is in fact a heat family man, who is a loyal and true friend. So don’t call people you don’t know.
Will we ever know the full story of what triggered his anger?
And why would we care? The fact he endangered everyone on the flight is the issue here, not what caused him to become so angry
There is no mitigation, you tiny-minded twit.
…that is a typical loaded comment from this homophobic Jean character, and it seems to imply that he was angry because of the trolly dollies and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Methinks she is a breeder with a chip on her shoulder about Gay people. Do you think perhaps a Gay man has had it away with her man …. lol.
I know the story he is an uneducated twat who saw a man he is attracted to but cannot act on it knowing he will be rejected becuase he’s a dog
Jean will we ever know full story of what triggered your urge to occupy/troll these boards
His excuse, that he was in chronic pain, was dismissed by the judge, and rightly so. Many people, myself included, have had to live with extended periods of chronic pain and it’s not pleasant. We may be in a bad mood because of the unrelenting pain, we may even withrdraw and not interact with other people. We don’t, however, go round abusing people for no logical reason.
And besides, does it really matter what triggered his anger?
@Jean — Do you have reason for your insinuation ? I suspect you do not and you think that all homophobic sentiment is deserved.
I am sure you lead a rich and useful life, and that your trolling of pinknews is just a tiny part of a fulfilling life.
Just a shame that the sentence was not longer!
Agreed. He got off light. Not even considering that he is a homophobic cretin, he would have caused a great deal of distress to a lot of people and there needs to be a deterrent in play so others don’t have to go through that. Frankly, I would be more worried being trapped on a plane at altitude with an aggressive loon, than any harsh language he might use.
I am a very good friend of johnny and find all these comments unreal! Johnny is a natural loud person and always get taken wrongly but truth is he is a gentle giant, he helps out with the kids local footie team fair enough he can’t run up and down a pitch due to serious health issues but he helps build team spirit and confidence the kids love him! As for being homophobic that’s rubbish he has many many gay friends who he treats and respects!! So before the papers and other people comment they should get the facts first! Every story has two sides and johnny got treated wrongly! Why did that other man that put his hands round johnny throat and he pushed passed johnnys daughter who is only 13 got nothing done to him but suppose that’s ok in it!!! I think people need to sit back and look at themselves before judging other people without knowing them first!!!!!!!’
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Jean has had to scrape the barrel to dream up any reasonable spin on this one!
I never read Jean…waste of my time.
I suggest a breath test for alcohol before boarding flights to Spain, and no alcohol on the flights.
Good idea. There is plenty of time for drinking alcohol when they get to their holiday destination. Aircraft and alcohol do not mix. Alcohol should be seen as an agravating, not mitigating factor in all cases of anti-social behaviour. I do like my drink myself but there is a time and a place for it.
he had 3 drinks in total throughout the whole day and it was a night flight
I suggest putting air fares up so people don’t treat them like a bus to the pub and show some respect to the people who may save their lives.
Plenty of people who can afford expensive tickets are still yobs, though.
Yes but if they will mostly behave themselves. Cheap is not the same as good value.
Hooray Henrys perhaps?
Nobody uses planes as a bloody bus
‘Putting up Airfares’…? what so you ‘get a better class of passenger’ perhaps…?!
You’re falling into the very same trap that the bloody idiot himself fell into – that of thinking that some people are worth more than others…
which is complete bollocks…
The man should have got a longer sentance in my opinion.
Good! He deserves a longer sentence though, as that’s a dangerous scenario.
Shame he has to be homophobic because I’m sure he’ll get a boyfriend in jail o_O. Haha.
he is happily married for 15 years with 2 children and like i said b4 he is not homophobic!!!!
Is it still acceptable in England to use the terms “steward” and “stewardess”. In America it’s considered offensive, at least to the employees who wish to be called “flight attendants”. I’m not sure why unless it has to do with the gender neutrality of the term.
I’m actually asking this question to English flight attendants rather than in general.
I’ve heard them refereed to as air steward/stewardess, air hosts/hostess’ and flight attendants. I’m not sure if its considered offensive over here. At least, I certainly don’t mean it to be if i call them a steward/stewardess :3
I thought it was usually “cabin crew”.
On British Airways the captain did use the term cabin crew, these were on flights from DFW to Heathrow and Heathrow to Dubai and On return flights. Their employees were awesome, very friendly and accomodating. A pleasure for such long flights.
Stewards and stewardess is a generally accepted term over here – Im not really sure why you think its somehow offensive…
Its just that in the US the term now used is ‘Flight Attendant’
People in the public often use either interchangeably
Some still do in Australia. But generally they are referred to as ‘Trolley Dollies,’ whether male or female.
Perhaps “offensive” was the wrong word. More like “out dated”.
8 months in prison seems reasonable for this but extremely lenient when the charge was “endangering the safety of a flight”
He’s lucky it wasn’t an American plane or he’d be in Gitmo for decades
He probably endangered passengers with the overwhelming smell of Brut aftershave.
Or Old Spice haha
It looks about right to me. People on here are a bit too vengeful I think.
Ever travelled on Thomas Cook airlines? You’d be in chronic pain as the seats are so close together that your knees are around your ears.
Not that I’m objecting to that per se, nor does it excuse his behaviour, but there you go.
Like any other service or product, choose an airline that you are happy to fly with. I have had no problems with EasyJet, Jet2, Ryanair or British Airways. Singapore Airlines however got me stuck in Dubai for 36 hours.
God help those children.
It’s not unusual for homosexuals in positions of pretend authority to be very uppity with the general public.
This, together with their disproportionate love of cigarettes, drugs and unsafe sexual practices, will prove to be their undoing.
…er….not entirely sure you got the gist of the article there Jean…
I think it’s fair to say Jean is a stranger to the concept of the gist.
LOL @ Jean.
And yet you’re relegated to writing idiotic one lines here, and we’re winning equality.
Pretend authority? Is that similar or the same as the pretend authority leaders of the Abrahamic cults claim to have over mankind…??
It is refreshing to see that an appropriate sentence was handed down to this thug for his conduct in endangering the safety of other passengers.
What if any portion of that sentence was for the hate crime he committed by assaulting the male cabin crew? Obviously not near enough!!!
This is wrong and he should be handled with the full weight of the law.
However one small point can we cut down on the sensationalist reporting please, endangering the flight is an exageration. I dont like these type of descriptions as it takes credibility away from the issue.
The issue here is the guy trying to justify homophobic abuse due to pain. Rubbish. My mate has major pain issues and is a great guy.
Pain wears you down but doesent make you abusive. Thats just a cgaracteristic of the person you are.
Actually chronic pain can make you irritable, argumentative and abusive – it all depends on how much pain you’re in – to be honest I’m not really buying that as an excuse in this case anyway…
the words ‘bloody’ and ‘numpty’ spring to mind…
Theres a difference though between not being “happy” due to being in pain, and being abusive to the point of having a plane turned around though… you cant use pain as an excuse for being a complete idiot…
I had the misfortune of being on the same flight as this muppet. What was not reported was on the transfer from the resort to the airport Hawkins continued to drink on the transfer coach annd be “very loud” (Ive put that nicely!!!!) His passport was taken off him in the terminal because of his conduct and drunkeness and it was only given back to him as he appeared not to have had any more alcohol in the terminal.The party were boarded last and fom the moment he boarded he continually made a nuisance of himself.This was a night flight and had young children in the2 rows surrounding him ( mine included and being 2 yrs old). Hawkins started to punch the seat in front(which contained his wife) and jump about in his seat.He was only 2 rows from the exit door.This was a very frightening experience as no one knew what he was capable of. The decision by th 2 male stewards to restrain him was the right one and all the stewards both male and female deserve a very big thank you.
Thanks for the independent view. As Karen HAWKINS said there is always 2 sides to every story – and hers is obviously biased. Safety of aircraft is entirely a priority of aircraft crew. Punching a seat near children and shouting and being lary and continuing when asked to stop is enough to cause concern about safety.
It is no doubt a terrifying experience to be in an aircraft at 35,000 feet and have some moron like him kicking off. Air rage is totally unacceptable and the likes of him should be grounded for life, once they have served a substantial prison sentence and that should apply to anyone flying on a British registered aircraft anywhere in the world as well as any aircraft flying to or from British airspace.
I thought this, from the St Helens Reporter, was illuminating:
The court was told that Hawkins had been in trouble with the law before.
Judge Geake told him: “Your medical problems have not stopped you committing criminal offences.”
I had the misfortune of being on this flight – what was not reported was tht he started to punch the seat in front and jump aout in his seat (Back pain??????) he had continued to drink on the transfer coach, had his passport taken off him in the airport because of his behaviour,was boarded last and continued to be very vocal.The decision to restrain hiim was the right one
to start with, he did not have his passport taken off him in the terminal, i had them all the wy through and we decided to be last on the plane because of his injuries he cannot sit down or stand up for length of time so we were last to get on the plane so he wasnt sitting down for long . thats the truth……stop going on differnt websites and slagging him off ….like i said it takes 2 to tango and there are always 2 sides to a story… like what about the guy who ripped into him and hurt my daughter u dont mention that do u?…..
my husband is john hawkins, and i would like to say he is not homophobic and never has been, it all started when my husband leant over to me as i was seated in front him and said something to me which another passenger interupted our private conversation which then went onto argue with each other as john was the the loudest the steward would not listen to him which yes annoyed him cos he was blamed for it, he was restrained and yes he does have a fractured back where he has to have patches changed every 72 hours. he was annoyed cos this hurt his back further. he was taken off the plane and caught the next one which was in the morning, he was left in the airport at night on his own. he was home 5 hours after us and the manchester airport police did not arrest him until 3 months later…
Karen – stop talking such tosh!! Its well reported from several witness from the flight about the constant use of bad language, his threatening behaviour to other passnagers plus his drunkeness!
Ohh and lets not forget that just over a year ago he was convicted of threatening someone and given a suspended sentance!! Seems like John has got form for this type of thing!
it seems you have the wrong john hawkins there he wasnt drunk whatsoever and hasnt been given a suspended sentence so get your facts straight……