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Former US president Jimmy Carter backs ‘very fine’ equal marriages for gays

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  1. Hopefully his words will have influence on older people who are often more set in their opinions and resistant to change.

  2. Jesus died 2000 years ago…equal marriage has nothing to do with him.

    1. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 7:52pm

      He did say that we should love thy neighbor as thyself and that obviously includes our gay neighbors.

      While his key churches he effectively founded are built on hate. the catholic church of the RATZInger pope who hates gays and gay marriage as his predecessors hated the Jews, engendering the holocaust.

      And the evangelicals (not all of them), for whom slavery was justified as per the bible.

      1. I don’t hate Gays, I am about to be a Catholic and would never and never will hate anyone… THAT to me is what bieng Catholic is all about… accepting each other as we are, regardless! Sadly there are way too that feel it’s ok to hate others, and use Holy Scripture to do so, that is NOT me… thankfully!

  3. Maybe he should have done someting when President?

    1. Well let’s be honest – in the late 1970′s homosexuality was still a crime in most US states.

      Marriage equality was not the mission back then. Decriminalisation was.

      1. In the late seventies it was still illegal in Scotland let alone the US of A!

  4. Senility is a terrible thing to behold.

    1. bobbleobble 20 Mar 2012, 6:10pm

      And yet Jean you expose us to it through your postings here. Bit hypocritical no?

    2. Go away you stupid cow.

    3. Mumbo Jumbo 20 Mar 2012, 7:09pm

      Don’t look in the mirror then.

    4. Oh, look Its Jean. Who are you this time, Skinner or Keith? Neither of you have the balls or the brains to stand by your own stupid argument.

      Pathetic.

    5. Which is clearly evident in your postings Jean!

  5. Jesus died 2000 years ago…this is the 21st century…equal marriage has nothing to with Jesus.

    1. well it’s quite possible that Jesus was gay… if he existed at all…

      1. lol so which is it?
        that its possible He was gay but not that it was possible that he existed? lol

    2. Not as far as the religious knee-jerkers are concerned – which is why its good to have strong voices from within those communities standing up and being counted in this way.

  6. “Former President Jimmy Carter has said gay people should be allowed to marry in civil ceremonies, as ‘Jesus never said a word about homosexuality’.”

    Great.

    But civil marriage has nothing to do with Jesus or religion

    1. True, but Jimmy Carter is from Georgia, where in public attitude, civil marriage has everything to do with religion. It’s already not easy to advance gay rights when secular society itself is morally opposed by the area’s majority religious groups. In a region of extremely high religious activity and church attendance and where “separation of church and state” is a dirty word, Carter’s approach may actually be more immediately helpful.

    2. As per usual, youre missing the point and instead drowning in a sea of your own self-importance…

  7. Ok, but then we should definitely make divorce illegal, since Jesus strongly condemned it (Mark 10 : 1 -12).

    1. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 7:56pm

      In the USA that hater Gingrinch converted to catholocism some years ago. Despite the fact he is on wife ##3 and cheated on the earlier wives.

      And the catholic church hates and doesnt grant divorces

      Unless the money is right. As it was re their own bank……………the words “mafioso and Omerta come to mind re the vatican

      http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2021194,00.html

  8. I hope that people listen to his words. The church should stay well out of gay marriage since it’s a secular issue and, as Mr. Carter says, Jesus had no issue with gay people so why should the church?

    If a particular church doesn’t want to allow gay marriage within its own congregations, fine; that’s not my battle and should be decided within that religion’s believers. What I can’t get is why religions think they have the right to stop secular marriage equality or to stop those religions/congregations who would allow gay marriage.

    Well done, Mr. Carter.

    1. Same-sex marriage is a religious issue for many LGBT people who practice religion, and for religions who want to perform same-sex marriages (Liberal Judaism, Reform Judaism, Paganism, Quakers, Unitarians, Metropolitan Community Church).
      .
      I have two gay friends who want to get married in a church. That’s married, not civilly partnered.
      .
      Anyway, it’s great that Jimmy Carter supports equal marriage.

  9. OK, I am sorry, but I just have to comment. Here is a Christian man showing us great respect, why do half these comment have to do with condemning his religion? Can’t we show him the same respect he is showing us? While in some of our views, civil marriage should have nothing to do with religion, not everyone shares that view.

    1. Randy, that laws should have nothing to do with religion is not a view. It is the basic principle of a secular state.

      1. Most people in the Deep South emphatically oppose a secular state. So when you want to win over minds and hearts, you pick your battles, and advance progress where and when you can.

        1. Yes, I know, promoting an interpretation of the Bible that supports your cause is the easiest and most pragmatic way of trying to change people’s minds in places like these. And since the Bible says everything and the opposite of everything (kill – don’t kill, annihilate your enemies – turn the other cheek, have slaves – be a servant to others) it is always well suited, whatever your agenda may be.

          Still, hiding behind “the word of God” is simply pathetic. Oh well, at least I don’t have to live in a society like that.

          1. Or even to live in a part of the U.S. where the establishment clause of the First Amendment isn’t treated like a rag. For example, Texas’s state school board voted on ideological and party lines to stop teaching about Thomas Jefferson entirely because he originally coined the term “separation of church and state”.

      2. By the way, don’t get me wrong – separation of religious and state is a good thing. And in some places, many good things are culturally nonexistent.

      3. @Borut – You (along with many others here) are completely missing the point…

        Well said, Randy!

        1. Oh well, if you say so …

    2. I am against religion interfering with secular matters – whether pro or against. It is not about showing respect. I am merely trying to be consistent.

    3. I agree – you’d think the support would be welcome.

  10. I thought Mr. Carter was a fine president when he was in office. He always struck me as decent. He was right about our need to develop alternative energy, he’s proven his devotion to public service with Habitat for Humanity, which builds houses for poor people. I’m delighted he’s decided to speak publically because as a devout Baptist, his words will carry much weight.

    1. I was 17 years old when Carter took office. He was unfortunately a fish out of water in DC. An honest hard working American that was not ready for the back stabbing animals he had to be around and deal with each and every day. He was blamed for the failed hostage rescue that was clearly the fault of his military advisors. I do agree he has been able to do a lot since he left the office of president. It was cool when his brother came out with his own beer though. haha

      1. David Myers 23 Mar 2012, 7:01am

        He was also defeated for re-election because, come election time, he still had not secured the release of the hostages. What most people don’t realize was that Ronald Reagan’s underlings, went to the Iranian hostage takers and said to them “Don’t make a deal with Carter for the release of the hostages until after the election when we will have defeated Carter (because he didn’t get the hostages freed) and we will make you a better deal.” They did – they traded weapons – (missiles) for hostages and money from the Iranians that was then used by the Reagan people to fund the Contras – the anti-Sandinistas trying to overthrow a democratically elected socialist government in Nicaragua. One of the definitions in the US Constitution of “treason” is negotiating with a foreign government against your own country’s foreign policy. Thus Reagan and his aides were guilty of committing treason in what became known as the “Iran-Contra” scandle.

  11. Very well said Mr Carter. Lets hope many heed your words!

  12. I find I am now looking at the comments eager to see if Jean has got in FIRST. On this occasion she missed it! I suspect she must be eagerly sitting in from of her computer just looking at Pink News and permanently refreshing the screen! What a life!

    1. Trolls seek attention. I think the best policy is not to give them any.

  13. Carter was one of the more intelligent presidents of modern times, but IMO he has achieved a lot more out of office than when he was in it, and these remarks are an example of that.
    His religious beliefs are also eloquent testimony to the way fundamentalism has overshadowed American Protestantism since his youth. In an interesting documentary about American religion screened some years ago he detailed how his own Baptist tradition had come to be dominated by Biblical literalism in a way which did not exist when he was young. I hope he and his (actually truly traditional) church will become a lot more vocal.

  14. Well said, Jimmy!

    Bless ya! :o)

  15. David Myers 23 Mar 2012, 7:03am

    A good man and a good president who speaks truth to power, all through his long life. Good for him.

  16. “I draw the line, maybe arbitrarily, in requiring by law that churches must marry people. I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs.”

    I don’t know if this is an important point for everyone else here but I agree with him on that.

    Not the being a Baptist part, the other part.

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