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Tyler Clementi’s room-mate guilty on hate crime charges

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  1. de Villiers 16 Mar 2012, 6:05pm

    > Ravi’s lawyers argued that their client had had little experience of homosexuality before starting at university that autumn and that “he wasn’t ready for” what he saw. / They further said the man who Tyler Clementi had brought back to the room was older and had unsettled Ravi.

    That is a very distasteful shift of responsibility on to Tyler Clementi – all but blaming him for Ravi’s disgusting behaviour. What happened to the American idea of responsibility for oneself?

    1. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 8:34pm

      This reminds me of the murder of Matthew Shepard in Wyoming by two catholics, Henderson and McKinney

      the catholic church tried to smear the prosecuter and illegally influence the jury.

      After the trial was over – life without parole for both – the catholic church tried to say Matthews murder was a drug deal gone bad.

      Welcome to religion – the curse of humanity and the Vatican – our own version of islam.

      BTW I know Matts parents quite well.

  2. jamestoronto 16 Mar 2012, 6:45pm

    Justice will out!! The jury is to be commended for finding this sick individual guilty on all the counts. He betrayed a friend and sent him to his death. He has shown no remorse whatsoever and invited others to watch the debasement of someone he called a friend.

    His biggest fear now is that he will go into a prison system in the USA that is notorious for “new meat” — the old adage holds true “What goes around, comes around.” He relished the portrayal of his “friend” on the internet. It won’t be long before we will hear about this homophobe becoming the darling of the block.

    He is disgusting piece of humanity. He can never ask for forgiveness for his crimes because the one person who can give it is DEAD.

    1. I don’t believe your relishing of prison rape reflects very well on you. Keep your sadistic fantasies out of the public domain, please. You are no more a moral human being than Ravi and your drooling over his rape is an insult to Tyler Clementi’s memory.

    2. They were not friends they were room mates. Tyler may have had a false sense of security thinking that everyone is ok with gay people, which is unture.

      There are still mean spirited anti gay people and the LGBT youth are not fully prepared for the consequences.

      Men over 30 seem to be in a better position than LGBT youth. Something is wrong

      And you’re a bad as him with those thoughts about rape

    3. jamestoronto 17 Mar 2012, 7:12pm

      When did I say he should be raped.? He will be tormented for his race, for his religion, for everything that new meat means. The US prison system, as any, is ruthless. It is a reality not a wish. In my heart I wish this man can face the man he destroyed and ask for forgiveness but he cannot. He has not even asked forgiveness from his family. If he could even do that it would speak countless words. But he has not. He shows no remorse whatsoever.

      I am a victim of rape at a young age. I would NEVER wish that on any person. I take offence to the suggestion that this is my fantasy — it is my horror. But I am equally horrified by the thought that this person should be let off lightly.

    4. Haha! Yes! Go jamestoronto. I hope he is repeatly raped and beaten in prison. It’s more than he deserves. Viva la Anarcho-queers!!!!

      1. David Myers 20 Mar 2012, 9:56am

        Troll!

    5. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 8:36pm

      too bad before he goes to jail, we cant tattoo

      F#ck my gay ass on RAVI’s buttcheeks

      the punishment is supposed to fit the crime.

  3. How would deportation give justice? He will go back to India and escape punishment.

    1. He will serve a long prison sentence first upto ten years then he could be deported. It is not certain that he would be. There is bound to be an appeal against the conviction. It could go on for a long time.

      1. Why should an American citizen be deported? You’re only showing your racist colors by bringing up deportation. (What Ravi did was despicable, absolutely.)

        1. friday jones 17 Mar 2012, 12:00am

          Read the article, dummy:
          “The charges are punishable by up to 10 years in prison but because Ravi is in the US on a green card, it has been reported that he may face deportation to his native India.”

        2. The clue is in the term “green card holder” which means he is not a US resident!

          1. Paddyswurds 17 Mar 2012, 9:28pm

            @D McCabe…
            …..if you are going to correct do try knowing what your talking about.
            A Green Card meas he IS a US resident only, not a citizen. He could apply to become a citizen after some time if he wished, but in this case I’m afraid it’s jail then deportation back to the slums of India.

          2. Unlikely to be the slums, as his family are reportedly ‘wealthy’.

  4. “Ravi’s lawyers argued that their client had had little experience of homosexuality before starting at university that autumn and that “he wasn’t ready for” what he saw. / They further said the man who Tyler Clementi had brought back to the room was older and had unsettled Ravi”

    yes he had so unsettled, that he WANTED to watch and spy on him doing so and broadcast it to others over the internet.

    1. Maybe he was a secret homosexual himself and was getting off on watching him?

      1. David Myers 20 Mar 2012, 9:59am

        He was at least a voyeur, and a dispicable bully. Whether he had any tendencies towards being a closet case, is actually irrelevant.

    2. Well said. He clearly thought everyone else would find the video funny and he had little thought for Tyler’s privacy. All the mitigation in the world won’t get this guy off the hook. His disgusting behaviour has to be seen to be punished. It’s not like this is the first time something like this has happened, it’s just that this is a clear-cut and well publicised case. Homophobia in schools, colleges and Universities is still very much alive and well.

      1. They don’t have gays in India???

  5. My deepest sympathy to Tyler’s family and friends.

  6. Bill Perdue 16 Mar 2012, 7:56pm

    It’s good that they found him guilty of these charges but he’s guilty of murder and was never charged with that.

    Another slap on the wrist for another murder.

    I think that when GLBT people are harassed and commit suicide that it’s murder and should be punished as such. Thankfully not everyone succumbs but it’s not for a lack of effort by the bigots.

    And I think that definition of murder is a political question we’ll solve at a later date when we make new laws. Among them we can expect robust laws criminalizing the dissemination of bigoted views by cults and the people who pander to them, including bigots like Obama and his Republican rival.

    Current law has as its basis the protection of the private property of the rich and is class law that largely ignores the needs of working people, people of color, women and children and the GLBT communities.

    The idea of equality under the law in the US is manifestly a crock.

    1. Keith Farrell 16 Mar 2012, 8:59pm

      I think a good start to his punishment would be castration, people like this should never be allowed to have children, and that would give him good reason to remember the person he drove to his death every day of his life.

      1. Castration? For goodness sake, where do you get off on suggesting such medieval punishment? What Ravi did was awful & he has rightly been convicted. A custodial sentence is appropriate and a long one. But jerking yourself off about castrating people just makes you sound a rather fetid individual.

        Ravi could not, btw, have been charged with murder as it could never be proved, and doubess isn’t true, that he intended to kill Clementi. He has been appropriately charged & convicte and hopefully the jail term will be equally appropriate.

        1. Keith like James in Toronto save their bile for brown skinned people

          1. Paddyswurds 17 Mar 2012, 9:35pm

            Oh Oh the racist homophobe James! is at it again. Don’t dare criticise anyone outside your own family or he will send the BNP after you….. Gay people aren’t allowed to have an opinion in his book.

        2. It was suicide not a calculated murder

    2. ‘Murder’ means premeditated killing, and though Ravi’s actions were disgusting I seriously doubt he intended Tyler Clementi to kill himself.

      1. Do you think?

        Don’t kid yourself these anti gay people would happily see all of us dead if they could get away with it.

        What do you think Ravi wanted the outcome of his actions to be?

        1. Embarrassment, the sort of humiliation certain types of jocks find amusing. Suicide? I think not.

          1. The whole point of embarrassing someone is to make them feel like they whole world is laughing at them. How that person copes is unpredictable. We know that gay people commit suicide so did Ravi. Don’t defend him.

          2. I don’t think I’m defending Ravi but I think these things need to be kept in perspective. How an individual reacts is indeed unpredictable, but it’s eminently possible even today for people to get to the end of their teens without ever really having encountered suicide due to bullying. Fortunately, awareness is increasing – but slowly.

      2. I will add giving a piece of crap like him the benefit of the doubt is sad and a reflection of your self esteem

        1. I think it’s always best to at least try to rise above the lynch-mob mentality.

        2. David Myers 20 Mar 2012, 10:02am

          Stick to the subject and quit trying to condemn and debase people who disagree with you. It is very unbecoming, bigoted, trollish, and stupid!

  7. We are not teaching the kids to be vigilant. We are fighting battles for men in their 30’s and assunimg that everything is ok for young LGBT. Anti gay behaviour has not vanished and tyler would have been safer with another LGBT person or he should have kept his private life away from the campus and strangers. He seemed to have had a false sense of security. poor kid

  8. “Ravi’s lawyers argued that their client had had little experience of homosexuality before starting at university that autumn and that “he wasn’t ready for” what he saw. Bollocks. Setting up a webcam sounds pretty ‘ready’ to me. I hope they throw the book at this homophobic git and I hope, I sincerely hope, that he gets an extensive and persistent introduction to homosexuality in the clink!

    1. He sounds a mixture of pervy and nerdy. However, wishing rape on him is deeply objectionable.

    2. You are right, Rufusred. I hope that little Asian twink is repeatedly raped. Viva a la Anarcho-queers!!!

  9. There’s a lesson here somewhere.

    ‘Kids will be kids’ is not a proper defense.

    Two lives ruined; tragic.

    1. Two lives ruined is exactly right. Having pity for the perpetrator does not make one homophobic and does not detract from one’s pity for the victim.

  10. Another Hannah 17 Mar 2012, 3:46pm

    Given what he’s done, clearly not enough. Why such a minor charge and sentence?

    1. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 8:37pm

      convicted of about 30 of 40+ charges. sentencing if I remember correctly is to be in June.

      Should include transing him to womanhood.

  11. It is a God given right to love and be treated equal no matter who or what you are. Until the Christians understand their own Bible where these things are stated by their God they will continue to be confused and attack and destroy human life because some evil people in their religion are continuing to push their agenda of hate and destruction of any and every one who are not like them. Again it is the Christian in the western world and the Muslims in the Eastern half of the world who needless to say make the lives of us who want to live in peace a living hell. They need to be held responsible for any death of any person they kill in the name of their religion and brought to justice or they will destroy the world because of their hate. Stop their madness before it is too late.

    1. I’m not sure in what way this is relevant to the issue here. Judging by his name I would guess Ravi is neither Christian nor Muslim.

    2. Ravi is probably hindu.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 17 Mar 2012, 4:14pm

    I wouldn’t mind betting that this is more a case of prurient interest in gay sex on Ravi’s part. Which well adjusted heterosexual would conceive of such a disgusting violation of someone’s privacy? It’s the sort of thing the yellow journalistic rags such as the Daily Mail, Telegraph, The Sun and Mirror do all the time. They too should take note and so too should Rupert Murdoch, the purveyor of sleaze and tabloid journalism. This case is a lesson for all of them since there is a parallel in this.

  13. I feel pretty confused about this. I understand the panic Tyler clementi might have gone through, but suicide was outright stupid and obviously not intended by Dharun .
    Judging his character, he seems like more or less any boisterous person who got a little carried away.
    Now there are more agressive and hateful people in iraq who bludgeon gay people publicly who need a freaking life sentence who need to be marked on the top of the list.
    RIP Tyler though

    1. This is no excuse. Dharun is an adult therefore he’s legally accountable for his actions (like invasion of privacy). I don’t mean to be rude but its rather simplistic to assume Tyler killed himself for one reason; but Dharun’s actions probably did contribute and may have been what triggered him to do it.
      As far as I know he’s not being charged with the death; interesting thing, he changed things on twitter and lied about it and asked other people to lie, talked to witnesses etc. Surely this should suggest to you that even he realised there was something wrong with his actions? The friend is not as nice and innocent as she tries to convey either. There’s a really interesting article on the New York Times site (I think) that goes in to detail about Clementi and Dharun’s interactions (and there weren’t many); I read it and while I don’t think he’s liable to charges for the suicide, Dharun doesn’t come across as a paticularly nice (just boisterous) person and his actions were criminal.

    2. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 8:38pm

      As for Iraq, a rocket launcher on those haters would solve the problem of anything to bury.

  14. I hope they deport the little pervert.

  15. He deserves to be tortured and brutally beaten. That little jumped straight boy. I hope he gets severely bullied because of the colour of his skin.

  16. I hope that Ravi is deported to India and forced to live in poverty; forced to sell his body to men to earn money. Take your hindi views and piss off back to your rancid country, you jumped up little straight boy. Viva la Anarcho-queers!!!

    1. David Myers 20 Mar 2012, 10:06am

      You are an idiot and a troll. Go away. You are not making a meaningful contribution to this conversation.

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