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Religious groups welcome consultation on allowing gays to marry

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  1. Craig Denney 15 Mar 2012, 1:39pm

    Why is this story being snubbed?
    Surly religions should not be barred from hosting gay marriages, even if they want to?

    This is not Equality this is continued discrimination!!!

    1. Craig Denney 15 Mar 2012, 2:03pm

      This government has already given in already and even if religions want to host gay marriages they cannot. This is not my understanding of marriage equality!

      We’ve been ‘Sold up the garden path’ by this government!

      All that rubbish about equal-marriage at there party conferences was B*llsh*t!

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 15 Mar 2012, 2:23pm

    Again, hasn’t Lord Ali proposed an amendment to allow those religious denominations to hold same-sex marriages? It isn’t over yet, there will be time to include this. In fact, I brought this up when I signed the consultation survey.

    1. Alli’s amendment was for civil partnerships in religious premises. I think there is an expectation that he may do the same thing for marriage. I’m not sure that has been done yet though.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 15 Mar 2012, 3:40pm

        Apparently, he is going to propose an amendment for those religious denominations willing to participate.

        Part of Theresa May’s article in The Times yesterday states…”“Under our plans no church, mosque, temple, synagogue or other religious premises will be forced to hold gay marriage ceremonies. — in fact, they won’t be allowed to even if they want to. Religious marriage between a gay couple will remain illegal.”

        “The latter point will upset Quakers, Unitarians, Liberal Judaism and just last week, Reform Judaism who wish to conduct religious same sex marriages. Lord Ali, the Labour peer has promised to introduce an amendment in the House of Lords to allow religious organisations that wish to conduct services to be allowed to. PinkNews.co.uk understands that many in Government support this desire too, but are keen to ensure that the civil marriage proposals pass without overwhelming objections in either the Commons or the Lords.”

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 15 Mar 2012, 3:42pm

          Since this is in the context of The Times article yesterday, it does appear Lord Ali is proposing an amendment to accommodate the Unitarians, Quakers, Liberal and Reformed Judaism and other smaller denominations in support of it. It does appear a bit ambiguous though but I think it’s rather clear what it refers to.

  3. Who cares.

    Civil marriage has NOTHING to do with religious cults, so quite frankly the fact this these tiny cults support equality is welcome but 100% irrelevant.

    1. TROLL.

  4. I’m a member of the Episcopal Church in the U.S. And the Presiding Bishop Katherine Jefferts-Schori has given the green light for same sex rites in churches where it is already legal in that state. Indeed I like what John B. Chane retired bishop of Washington DC said. “Through the grace of Holy Baptism, there are no second class members of the Body of Christ, We are of equal value in the eyes of God, and any one of us may be called by the Holy Spirit into holy relationships as well as Holy Orders.”

    1. This discussion is about civil marriage equality.

      As for ‘god’ – well that’s a genocidal work of fiction if ever there was one.

      ‘God’s cold-bloodedly murdered the 1st born child of every Egyptian.

      Thank Cher ‘God’ is a work of fiction. If it was real then it would be the equivalent of worshipping some genocidal dictator.

      1. God didn’t kill them in cold blood, He was enacting vengeance for the Pharaoh’s vile treatment of the Israelites. God had demonstrated His power many times before that, and the Pharaoh didn’t listen at all. The Pharaoh effectively caused the fate of his own people.

  5. Peter & Michael 15 Mar 2012, 5:12pm

    According to the Home Office Equal Civil Marriage Consultation, all religious bodies will be forbidden to enact Same-Sex Marriage in a church, why aren’t the Quakers, Methodists and other Gay friendly religions campaigning against this fudge.

    1. Craig Denney 15 Mar 2012, 6:10pm

      Hi Peter & Michael,
      What happened to Same-Sex Marriage? Now it’s equal civil marriage!
      David Cameron has ‘U-Turned’ like he u-turns with everything else and has sold us out!

  6. I see the anti gay Institute have realised they have lost and are now calling the consultation “a sham”.

    Could they be sore losers because equal civil marriage is going to be a reality?

    http://www.christian.org.uk/news/critics-brand-gay-marriage-consultation-a-‘sham’/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+christianinstitute+%28The+Christian+Institute%29

    1. @Stu

      Well they have tried lying and deceiving.

      They have tried threatening and cajoling their congregations.

      They have tried setting up shadow organisations and denying they are religious (what pride they must have in their faith to deny their Christ!).

      They have tried being offensive.

      They have tried strawman and ridiculous argument about polygamy.

      They have tried rigging opinion polls.

      Now, perhaps they realise that civil same sex partners will definitely be able to marry – what is there left for them to do. Claim the consultation is a sham.

      I like Lynne Featherstone’s comment that parliament can introduce whatever powers parliament wishes in a democracy. Thus, whilst they will listen to the opinion of all of us for 12 weeks – it is the coalitions decision what to bring to Parliament!

    2. The so-called Christian Institute love to peddle misinformation, they consistently twist facts to suit themselves just to manufacture sensationalist stories, they have no integrity at all, fantasist’s and liars.
      The government has always said that the consultation was to be about how to introduce same sex marriage not whether or not to do so.

  7. It’s very bizarre to allow same sex civil partnership’s in church but not same sex marriages in churches which want to provide them, where’s the logic in that I wonder?

  8. While I don’t think that any religion should be forced to marry couples, if they want to they should be allowed to!

  9. Naively I thought all that fuss and softening up bringing in religious CPs was a precursor to SS religious marriages…

    Surely the hard work was done during that piece of legislation and religious SS marriages is just the natural progression from there…

  10. PLEASE VOTE HERE TOO:

    Within the midst of an offensive report in the Telegraph there is a poll being run on marriage (please vote and demonstrate the strength of feeling!).

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9147559/Gay-couples-are-just-lifelong-friends-says-Catholic-leader.html?

    Within the article, the RC church are at it again and saying gay relationships are merely friendships. Devalue, dehumanise, substandard treatment – the usual rhetoric of the Archbishops.

    PLEASE VOTE IN THEIR POLL FOR EQUAL MARRIAGE!

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