The gender question is very useful, since so few people know what to do. If you’re not sure where to direct or address us, just asking politely is probably the best way. “How should I address you?” “The unisex toilet is thataway”
oh for crying out loud!
…its called ‘TRAINING’ you daft sod
I would imagine those saying “what a waste of time” are going to be those less likely to be afflicted by the answer. As the Gf of a butch, actually I think it is fantastic that diversity training is occurring for that many volunteers, that training will extend onwards into their lives, hurrah for pangender equality….
A bit patronising? I am delighted to hear that such training is happening, and its better to say it than to have to deal with a people not knowing what to do or say in this situation. Put it this way, I don’t expect Qatar to do the same for 2022, without some seriously seismic cultural shifts.
What has Qatar doe for football, let alone gay rights anyway? Them lot at FIFA must have been high on LSD when they awarded them the 2022 World Cup. England to host the 2030 Cup.
For the Qatar football world cup, gays will asked to politely go to the tree with the noose on it. Will women even be allowed to attend?
not high on drugs just busy stuffing their pockets with beer vouchers and other freebies
Frankly, a week doesn’t go by without me hearing of some ignorant shop, pub, stadium or other public place where GBLT people have been told to stop holding hands/kissing or get out.
It may sound patronising but this guidence is necessary
Agree with the above comments… if you’re gay stay well away was the message FIFA gave us while rolling around in the cash the emirs paid them…
I think this is “well intentioned” and should be respected as such. Those who may not struggle with these kinds of situations should understand that not everyone may know how to respond (respectfully/appropriately) in a given situation. I certainly appreciate the effort on the part of the Olympics.
Totally agree. They’d be damned if they didn’t provide this type of ‘tolerance and politeness’ training, and they’re being damned for doing it.
I rather they provide it than run the risk of one or more of their 70,000 not dealing with those situations in the ways recommended. Let’s face it, a decent proportion of those 70,000 wouldn’t be fully up to speed!
Maybe they should apply that question to the volunteers who will be helping out during the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee celebrations. Britain has a lot to shout about this year with both the Jubilee and the Olympics and this is a golden opportunity for us to showcase our nation as a beacon of tolerance and diversity. There may be things that I see which I don’t like if I visit other countries so people got to expect to see certain things that they are not used to should they decide to visit us..
“Some People are Gay, get over it!”
I think it’s fantastic, I am gay but find it increasingly annoying when things like this are put in place and people perseive it as ‘patronising’ personally I think quizzes like this should part of the national curriculum in schools! The main reason for homophobia is ignorance and lack of education on LGBT in generally so something like this can only help! Great news for the UK
It’s a good idea, particularly as many volunteers are coming from abroad.
It’s not patronising. They are simply dealing with what will probably be a whole new level of stupid.
I’m a games maker, and I found much of the information we were given to be quite patronising, but I guess it is all well-intentioned. Some people will never have met/socialised with gay people, and may feel uncomfortable. Personally, I wanted to go with the ‘stop being a homophobic idiot’ response…
As a straight person I think the question re: toilets is a good one, I wouldn’t know off hand how to handle that situation and I like to think of myself as quite tolerant and respectful. This quiz is a good thing I think.
So two men or two women are holding hands … treat them as you would a man and a woman holding hands? Smile inside that some people are happy together and leave them to it?
No the question was what to do if someone complains… and there’s going top be a lot of people coming from extremely homophobic countries so there probably will be complaints when that happens.
Of course the answer is to tell them: “You’re in England now mate. Get used to it or go home.”
I wish haha.
Actually, I think the answers are on the right track…
Well done – this is a great idea. How can diversity training be patronizing ?
Any training can be patronising including diversity training.
Yes, “any training can be patronising”, but I don’t think that is the case in this example.
What a fantastic thing to do. Its a good way to Educate, show Diversity and a good way to NOT offend LGBT members. Its not PC gone mad and seems in good taste. It seems to read like a theory test, if you have common sense, you should pass with flying colours x Go Team GB!!!!
I can understand the directions to the toilet issue, just about.
The comment about holding hands. Really needed? As someone who strongly supports equality and has led diversity training – I find that a bit patronising and making assumptions that presume people don’t have common sense.
Diversity training is good when it makes people think and ensures that they consider the impact of their actions and language. When it is not good is when it does not recognise the common sense people have.
The holding hands question IS necessary. There would be some volunteers who might be persuaded that they had to ‘politely’ ask the couple to stop holding hands because the complainant was peddling the ‘It offends me’ ‘Its against my religion’ line. This gives them the confidence to respond to the complainant with a positive statement.
You usually talk a lot of sense, Stu but that was a bit dim…
The whole point of Diversity Training is to ensure that people get a chance to THINK about what they might do in a given situation and QUESTION whether what they might have previously done is a) appropriate, b) LEGAL or c) ACTUALLY WHAT THE ORGANISATION REQUIRES OF THEM…
How can you sit there and talk about leaving it up to ‘common sense’ when we live in a country where attacks are regularly made on LGBT people for doing precisely that: holding hands. These volunteers are by definition a cross section of society – its important that noone is given the impression that homophobic or transphobic behaviour is acceptable – even if asked to support it by a homophobic member of the public…!
Thanks for the back handed compliment ;-)
I find people do not take notice of training sessions when you patronise them. The impact of the training is then lost.
In my experience Male and Female toilets are usually in the same location. Point them there and let them choose
Sounds reasonable to me.
What a complete waste of time effort and money. Much the same as the rest of the Olympics really.
Red arrow me all you like. personally I find blowing £12 billion on a fortnight playing silly fcking games whilst people can’t even get a hospital bed positively obscene, and you people should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting such crap. We are still going to be paying for this bullsh|t in 30 years time.
Thats a complete different issue – this was about DIVERSITY TRAINING YOU NUMPTY…
Personally, I agree with you re the cost of the games but the point is WE’RE ALREADY HAVING THEM!
THIS article is about people complaining about being told they have to treat all people equally…!
Like I said, a complete waste of time. Are people incapable of showing a little common civility? Are you telling me these muppets have to be TRAINED to treat everyone like decent human beings!?? If they don’t, they shouldn’t be doing the damn job in the first place. Christ on a fcking bike!
Personally, I quite like the “Stop being a homophobic idiot” option myself!
Well, I’ve also attendended this training as a ‘Gamesmaker’ and I’m as gay as they come – and I really can’t see what all the fuss is about. The money spent on training (still underway) has in my opinion been well spent. It’s just that someone always has to moan and complain … (sadly normally a gay person lol)
I think this is great and very useful as many people get embarrassed or feel awkward (or angry) when faced with these types of questions and don’t know how to respond clearly and assertively. they generally don’t come on sites like pink news and its not something you learn in school.
I’m an Olympic Volunteer and saw it as a hugely positive thing that they were including LGBT diversity in the first place. A case of over zealous complaining – damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I don’t think this is ‘patronising’ at all – its called TRAINING
Especially when dealing with volunteers on the scale that the Olympics will entail, its CRUCIAL that they have basic equalities training based on the law.
The idea that someone thinks that the money could be better spent elsewhere says more about them than it does about how valuable this training is.
The fact that these people will have now been forced to think about these questions prior to the event means that they are prepared – which is exactly as it should be…
“tell them where the male, female toilets and accessible toilets are.”
Why wouldn’t you do that anyway?
You never know who wants to go the toilet, the person asking, their mother, their friend…
It’s all common sense but it’s nice that they’re training the staff, most employers can’t be bothered to train staff for any reason these days.
People from all over the world are going to the Olympics so it’s a good idea to have polite well trained staff to represent London and probably the rest of the country
Sounds like an excellent idea to me – not all of the volunteers will themselves instinctively be particularly comfortable with, or have knowingly met, many LGBT people, as I expect they are themselves a diverse group of people. In any training course you get certain people who think it ‘patronising’ or a ‘waste of time’ (I designed and helped to run training courses in a professional setting for some years). If by the end of the course such people still think the same way:
- then the training material is flawed;
- or the people who still think this way are not fit for purpose.
I think, from what I’ve heard, that the way the course has been designed is sensitive, practical and well-intentioned. Those who still think it ‘patronising’ or a ‘waste of time’ after taking it are probably unsuitable for the roles available. Perhaps this was a part of the purpose of the questionnaire – to weed out such unsuitable people.
I think it’s a good idea. They will now be able to weed out the bigots and train those with no so bad answers on a whole range of issues.
Amongst those “more exposed” to people diversity, then this can indeed seem patronising. However, there is (presumably) a diversity of volunteers, including those less diversity-aware, so such training must be welcome.
You might have a point, Rachel
It certainly seems patronising to me …
But I am not necessarily the audience they are aiming at ….
Fair play – assuming they have assessed the audience needs correctly!
Thank you Stu for admitting on one of the few times when you got it wrong. Wish everyone was like that.
Hmmm my comment didn’t post. Well I think the diversity training is a good idea. I doubt that this would happen in a more “conservative” country. Seriously though, if somebody complained about me holding hands with a woman, I wouldn’t give a damn at all and just go about my merry way :).
Whoever said it’s ‘patronising’ is probably unaware of how often ‘panic’ is the option of choice for people facing someone of ambiguous gender presentation or who’s openly trans*.
Some years back, I attended,”Gay Day” at disneyland, Anaheim Ca,I was excited, looking forward to being part of this fun filled night, among my peers,mostly from The Lesbian/Gay community, UNTIL I was being buckled in for one of the fun rides , an attendant leaned in toward me, under the pretense of helping me with the safety belt, but instead spat out the words, “You are a sick prevert, hell is waiting for you, and All of your sicko friends, die .” All these years later, those evil words still trouble my heart, I was shocked, and said nothing, my silence haunts me to this day. YES, diversty training should be required for all who volunteer/work with the public, so thanks to all who are now making this part of their training program.
maybe we should ask why a journalist (in the States) thinks this is news. The questions were in the handouts given out over a month ago. It smacks of somebody trying to make scandal out of nothing. Huffington Post…..my arse!!
Listen, can somebody tell me , what the hell else do hetersexual bigots have to do in their own lives and with their selves, they have the most violent and desasterous relationships, the men are always off raping and sexually assaulting little boys and girls, perverts and pedephiles, and beating their wives to death, and then murdering them , if they put the attention that they spend spying on gay people on their own marriages, an wives, they may work out better, instead of be total failures in marriage, and relationships, try holding hands romantically with your hetersexual wife she really needs it , its called a form of fore play, and tenderness, yes , the gay families are very romantic and very exciting in their passions, good safe families, with friends, who no how to get along without killing their partners and raping them everyday, like the hetersexual community and incesting and raping their kids, yes , the gay community is civilized and humane instead ,jealusy is pathetic
There are too many people in the world for people to be tripping over, any, get you somebody that cares for you back the same way you care for them and make sure they are safe and kind and loving, not a jealous lunatic , or a sex freak, you need normal people who are just good people in your lives , platonic and intimate, in every gender, people are too toxic in the hetersexual commuinity, satanic , violent, mainly its their hetersexual men and a few bisexuals, but some of the hetersexual women are bad too, their jealousy is so apparant everyday, many times you find the same bigot, trying to pick up one of the gay people in secret every time, the rest gets angry because of the frustration, of wanting to be with other men but not wanting others to no about it, so they lash out at the one they see being in the place they would want to be in their bedrooms, finally many just comes out like fran dressers husband and say hell people i cant take no mo, i must exhale, and tell, I chose men
Hell, tourist should not go to these dangerous african countries who cannot live peacefully with other people without trying to harm them, and their famlies, they hurt an harm their own children and famlies, they are too dangerous for tourism, not a good climate nor a good character of a country you can be proud of, and come back with anything good to tell others, a wicked dangerous nation of people, their culture is the same as all colors of men who do the same evils as they do, its not in the skin color, many people of colors or civilized and not monsters, they are not the same, and neither do the feel the same nor like the same things, its evil. they are into, instead of loviing an caring for their people and others, if you where born in africa and you are white you are a white african, that where you where born and raised, you can individually be different in character than some but you are all from africa, colored people not born an raised in africa or not africans,
there is not but two different types of cultres, those who like to harm other , abuse others terroirse other, they are the same demonic spirits, in all colors an they are kindrend demons, all the people who love peace and peaceful harmony living, not wanting other to be harmed and not want ing themselves to be apart of abusing others, decent people , with human rights and goodness and fairness in their spirits, to kill a mocking bird white man told the jury, i refuse to be like the other white folks lyng to my chilen, i told them they had besta, be loven everybody the same an treatem right, everybody ,gotta right to be in peace you see youngens, you norn betta than they, yorn need a place to lay yorn head , food, and a nice soft bed, so does they, done make no since men done gone and turned bad and evil like the rest of the white folks , but they arnt my white folks, i done chose to be a betta kind, —–do you get what i am depicting here people digest ,
An International event requires this type of fine detail and if you find it patronizing then your too good for this job or you got the answer wrong!
This would have taken 5 minutes to write up and so if it helps someone to be respectful, it’s definitely worth it. We hope most volunteers would have got it right, but there’s no harm in reiterating it.