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Manchester to urge anti-gay law veto on St Petersburg trip

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  1. Keith Farrell 6 Mar 2012, 2:21pm

    I would hope that they would say they are breaking off the twinning if this law gets passed

  2. Father Ted 6 Mar 2012, 2:57pm

    It’s difficult to know which is best, constructive engagement or boycott. For St Petersburg, sanctions may be the best way to get them to understand that what they are doing is evil, as with South Africa in the old days.

    1. GingerlyColors 6 Mar 2012, 5:35pm

      And look at South Africa nowadays!

  3. Spanner1960 6 Mar 2012, 3:12pm

    Our representatives should invite the Russian delegation to Canal Street so they can see how a real democratic country should be run.

  4. If the governor signs the law, then the twinning must be suspended.

    Why bother trying to engage with a dictatorship.

    St Petersburg is a rotten hellhole and Manchester should have nothing to do with it if St Petersburg is now openly declaring itself to be a dictatorship.

  5. GingerlyColors 6 Mar 2012, 5:34pm

    Manchester should ‘unfriend’ St. Petersburg should they go ahead with this law. What dues St. Petersburg have to offer anyway, probably not much more than it did when it was called Leningrad. Manchester on the other hand has lots to see and do. It is home to Factory records, many good bands, great culture, interesting buildings, famous football teams, good shopping and nightlife. It was one of the cradles of the Industrial Revolution when the Duke of Bridgewater commissioned the building of a canal in the 1760’s, and where there’s a canal, some pretty good pubs and bars are not far away! The weather may let the place down a bit but it certainly beats St. Petersburg by a long way!

    1. ROFL! Well at least the weather is better in Manchester.

    2. An unbelievably ignorant and crassly stupid remark. Manchester is plesant enough, but it no way matches Petersberg.

      Petersberg, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, is one of the greatest cities on earth. Ever heard of the Hermitage? It is the largest art museum IN THE WORLD. Manchester has nothing close to it, even London does not.

      Before the Communists took over homosexuality was accepted in Russian society as the artistic achievement of the people of Sankt Petersberg lays testament.

      Oh you can do a bit of shopping and then get pissed in manc though.

      1. GingerlyColors 7 Mar 2012, 8:24am

        Sorry Geo, give me Manchester any day! You will probably find that before the October Revolution of 1917 homosexuality was actually illegal under Tsar Nicholas II. When the Communists took over Vladmir Lenin decriminalised homosexuality. Stalin recriminalised it in 1934 no doubt seeing it as a form of Western decadence and it remained illegal on the pain of a five-year prison sentence until shortly after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 1990’s. The only former Soviet Republics criminalizing homosexuality today are Turkmenistan (where they had a North Korean personality cult) and Uzbekistan. Incidently Muslim Azerbijan scrapped it’s laws against gay sex before neighbouring Christian Armenia.

        1. Sorry Gingerly but the communists only decriminalised homosexuality as an unintended side effect of removing the entire existing criminal code, not as an act of liberation. It was reintroduced as communists viewed homosexuality as a form of ‘aristocratic decadence’ and excluded from their idealised view of a soviet communist citizen. During the last Tsar’s rule there were large numbers of openly gay men at court and many were friends of the imperial family.

          Almost uniquely in Europe, Homosexuality was openly accecpted in Russian society as far back as the 12th century . Although there was anti gay legislation it was hardly ever applied with gays and bisexual men living openly under the tsars. This was brutally ended under communism, when thousands of gay men were sent to prison camps ever year, most dying there only because of their sexuality. The homophobia that still persists in Russian society is part of communisms tragic legacy.


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